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Post by job on Apr 26, 2011 18:15:56 GMT 3
The anti-reformists, using their media quislings at Citizen TV, have resorted to tawdry and dirty tactics to stop Judicial reforms.
They are now throwing everything including the kitchen sink, at Kenya’s best hope to reform the Judiciary – Dr Willy Mutunga.
Watch towards the end of the clip @ 3:03 minutes
Shame on Citizen TV editors (& the reporter - Francis Gachuri) for this homophobic portrayal of Dr Willy Mutunga! The bigots at Citizen TV basically wanted to “out” the “news” that Mutunga actually sports an earring. Immediate comments following that "revelation' directly insinuate he is gay.!
What has the wearing of an earring got to do with Mutunga’s legal and leadership qualifications? What has sexual orientation got to do with the same??
It is such institutionalized intolerance that shows how far behind we still lag when it comes to issues of acceptance of diversity. When mainstream media blatantly engage in stirring up negative homophobic emotions to tear down chances of the person I consider Kenya’s best hope for Judicial Reforms, I feel we will remain stuck in stone age!
Of the 10 short-listed candidates for Chief Justice, 8 are insiders of the rotten system. There is absolutely no competition regarding the choice that can transform Kenya’s Judiciary.
Let Citizen TV look for a real excuse for denying Mutunga the job, and not this nonsense of earrings. Wa Kenya, we can definitely do better than be victims to scare-mongering by the divide-and-rule tacticians. This is our chance to effect real Judicial reforms without pandering to State House.
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Post by nalinali on Apr 26, 2011 18:21:06 GMT 3
Job It is not so much that Citizen chooses to go along that path by framing Willy thus, it is that there could be an insidious design meant to enable the search for the CJ to end up picking persons friendly to the status quo and to the Ocampo trio just as in the abortive nominations. I have fund myself thinking (without casting aspersions on the JSC) whether the whole process is temper-proof and free from manipulation.
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Post by job on Apr 26, 2011 18:25:36 GMT 3
Job It is not so much that Citizen chooses to go along that path by framing Willy thus, it is that there could be an insidious design meant to enable the search for the CJ to end up picking persons friendly to the status quo and to the Ocampo trio just as in the abortive nominations. I have fund myself thinking (without casting aspersions on the JSC) whether the whole process is temper-proof and free from manipulation. That's exactly the point! The argument about having an outsider cleaning the Judiciary is sold-out to the Kenyan public, and as such Mutunga has little competition. But the thought of having a reformer (the so called & dreaded "activist") inching closer to the Chief Justice position is what's now prompting all this cheap fear-mongering.
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Post by jane on Apr 26, 2011 18:27:25 GMT 3
Read between the lines.
I don't think it is the 'earring' which is the issue, here.
From where I sit, the 'earring' is meant to show that Willy Mutungi is gay. I believe gay men wear 'earrings' as their identity. I maybe wrong but that seems to me to be the most plausible explanation.
If it is true, then would Kenya be happy with a gay Chief Justice?
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Post by job on Apr 26, 2011 18:30:44 GMT 3
Read between the lines. I don't think it is the 'earring' which is the issue, here. From where I sit, the 'earring' is meant to show that Willy Mutungi is gay. I believe gay men wear 'earrings' as their identity. I maybe wrong but that seems to me to be the most plausible explanation. If it is true, then would Kenya be happy with a gay Chief Justice? What has someone's sexual orientation got to do with abilities and qualifications for the job? If you find out today that your child, or sister, or brother is gay, would you confine them into the box of no-opportuinities?
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Post by jane on Apr 26, 2011 18:38:52 GMT 3
I doubt the truth on the point that an outside will be more progressive. Dr Mutungi is an academic, who judicial acumen has not be tested nor tried. Theory and practice are two areas in Law, as with any other professions, which are never alike. Secondly, Dr Mutungi has not progressed in his role as a Lecturer in UoN. His leadership quality are therefore lacking. That is, if he has not been able to achieve professorial status as an educator, I doubt he is the 'right' material to lead complex judiciary structure like ours. Most judges who came from academia are professors. Would it be right therefore to have a Chief Justice, a Lecturer lording over judges who were professors?
I think the best person is Lee Muthoga. This is a man who has been involved on several fronts in the judiciary with extensive experience sitting as a pivotal judge in a very highly regarded institution. It is Muthoga who fought for the 'africanisation' of judges when Njonjo was keen to staff the High and Court of Appeal with mainly white judges.
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Post by destiny on Apr 26, 2011 18:57:03 GMT 3
After all these "formalities", the job will eventually go to none other than PAUL KIHARA KARIUKI. He's the one that kibaki wanted initially before his botched nominations which were thrown out. But the Prezzo will definitely have the last laugh. Kihara Kariuki also happens to be the son of former Anglican leader the late Obadiah Kariuki and a grandson of the the famous Senior Chief Koinange. (If u didn't know that, now u do!)
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Post by job on Apr 26, 2011 19:02:05 GMT 3
I doubt the truth on the point that an outside will be more progressive. Dr Mutungi is an academic, who judicial acumen has not be tested nor tried. Theory and practice are two areas in Law, as with any other professions, which are never alike. The Chief Justice position is largely an administrative portfolio that provides visionary leadership to the entire Judiciary. A Chief Justice doesn't sit at the bench listening to cases day in day out. Check out it's role before engaging any further along this line of argument. You need to be serious! Why was Mutunga's tenure at the University of Nairobi interrupted in the first place? It was the State that interrupted his academic progress at the University. Unless you want to challenge Mutunga's impressive academic qualifications, this argument has no merit whatsoever. During the Moi era, Lecturers were promoted not solely on merit, but loyalty to the government of the day. But more important, qualified academicians were denied promotion purely on the basis of their respective roles in democratic and human rights activism. This is where Mutunga falls. He went on to engage in other more important matters for the nation - efforts which resulted to the kind of freedoms you enjoy today. Kenya's civil society knows what role Mutunga has played. Human rights defenders of Kenya and all reformists and progressives appreciate the difference between consistent reformists like Mutunga, and occasional "reformists" like Muthoga and Kiraitu, who automatically switch off their "reform" buttons as soon as their tribesmate (like Kibaki) walks into power. This is a load of balogni. Muthoga is a benefiary of, & part and parcel of the rotten Judicial system. He may be a Judge at the Rwanda tribunal but remains one of Kibaki's close advisors in the current Judiciary that has stiffled Kenya's criminal justice system. Call it Africanization or whatever - what did that Africanization do to our Judiciary? Even Kiraitu's radical surgery? What did it give us? It yielded the rot you are witnessing today! That's what Muthoga's history reveals. Rotten status quo!
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Post by destiny on Apr 26, 2011 19:09:30 GMT 3
I know Willy Mutunga- though untested in judiciary- is a sharp lawyer, decent chap and of high integrity. The Civil Society and many Kenyans included are clearly rooting for him. But what if he got the job and turned to be a complete flop just like PLO Lumumba at KACC? We all thought he was the perfect choice but angalia sasa? Domo tu and no action. Another guy we thought was great was kibaki back in 2002. There's nothing we can show of him except rampant tribalism, mega corruption scandals and post election violence right under his nose. Kazi yake ni kulala tu, even when the country burns. Same case applies to kina Ngilu, Raila, balala, Kimunya et all. We just don't know who to turn to any more. We trust them but they end up raping our trust! Bure Kabisa hii watu!!!!!!
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 26, 2011 19:24:20 GMT 3
job,
I would change the heading to read something like " Smear campaign On Dr. Mutunga"
When I read the heading it made me think that Dr. Mutunga did give a speech or something about homophobia.
Jane, when you get time try reading about how the Judicial Reforms were carried out in South Africa and find who were some of the key elements and what were their backgrounds.
I find it beneath me, and apolofize if that offends you, to talk about people's abilities based on their sexual orientation. I also find it rather odd that you seem to think that men who wear earings are "gay". I don't know your interactions with men, gay or otherwise, but in the world I live including Kenya some men, boys women, hell even dogs have earings. It is the least of my concern. Let's just leave it there.
Dr. Mutunga's qualifications is fair game. Academically he is a giant. He has been a lecturer here in Canada, he has worked in very important institutions and in the last 8 or nine years he is the regional head of FORD Foundation.
But my hope is that the process of selecting a new CJ is succesfully and no tricks are applied to stick the country up with another conman. If they do, it will be same old story. Teh judiciary will stay stuck in the mad. Kenyans will have no confidence in it. The mediocrity, incompetence and corruption will thrive there as it is now. That may serve the interests of a few people for a short time but I doubt it will do much for Kenya and the struggle will just continue. No problem at all.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 26, 2011 19:47:39 GMT 3
Ring or no ring, I do not find it prudent to have activists run such a sensitive docket as CJ. We tried them at Bomas, we know how that ended. More recently, we trusted them with the TJRC, it has never taken off two years down the line.
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Post by einstein on Apr 26, 2011 21:56:38 GMT 3
Read between the lines. I don't think it is the 'earring' which is the issue, here. From where I sit, the 'earring' is meant to show that Willy Mutungi is gay. I believe gay men wear 'earrings' as their identity. I maybe wrong but that seems to me to be the most plausible explanation. If it is true, then would Kenya be happy with a gay Chief Justice? Oh boy, I didn't know I'm gay. I happen to sport an earring which I got from none other than my wife as a present! And my wife is female for crying out loud!!!! Geez, in which century do some people live? I bet 'Sonko' the thief in parliament is also gay!!! I'm laughing, this is outright stupidity!
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Post by dola121945 on Apr 26, 2011 23:14:29 GMT 3
Read between the lines. I don't think it is the 'earring' which is the issue, here. From where I sit, the 'earring' is meant to show that Willy Mutungi is gay. I believe gay men wear 'earrings' as their identity. I maybe wrong but that seems to me to be the most plausible explanation. If it is true, then would Kenya be happy with a gay Chief Justice? Oh boy, I didn't know I'm gay. I happen to sport an earring which I got from none other than my wife as a present! And my wife is female for crying out loud!!!! Geez, in which century do some people live? I bet 'Sonko' the thief in parliament is also gay!!! I'm laughing, this is outright stupidity! LOL.... what a backward analogy! Let's look at the person's credentials, that should at least be the criteria for hiring...!
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Post by johns on Apr 27, 2011 0:03:14 GMT 3
Jane,
I was going to let you know about Dr. Mutunga's contribution and input in various fields here in Canada through FORD foundation but Adongo has already beaten me to that. For Pete's sake Lee Muthoga is one such fellow who appear attractive from the outside but another thing once you get to know his dealings.
Jane! wearing an earring is not a symbol of ones sexual orientation, celebrities like Michael Jordan have been wearing them since way back in the 80s to this day and he is not gay.
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Post by tnk on Apr 27, 2011 0:09:16 GMT 3
Jane, I was going to let you know about Dr. Mutunga's contribution and input in various fields here in Canada through FORD foundation but Adongo has already beaten me to that. For Pete's sake Lee Muthoga is one such fellow who appear attractive from the outside but another thing once you get to know his dealings. Jane! wearing an earring is not a symbol of ones sexual orientation, celebrities like Michael Jordan have been wearing them since way back in the 80s to this day and he is not gay. every one has a self defining grooming style nuff said
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Post by tnk on Apr 27, 2011 0:54:01 GMT 3
was just wondering
the gent in the picture, by western nomenclature is wearing earings, bracelets, necklaces, hairbands etc
and yet this is one almost over glorified image of the kenyan warrior so popular that many a tourist have come out to grab one for themselves
if we go by janes definition we may have a problem here, no need to even look far to the likes of michael jordanand the likes. we have our own homegrown brilliant and elegant attire that has inspired many of us.
perhaps jane doe(s) (hehehe pun intended) needs to redefine herself
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Post by einstein on Apr 27, 2011 0:57:37 GMT 3
Jane, I was going to let you know about Dr. Mutunga's contribution and input in various fields here in Canada through FORD foundation but Adongo has already beaten me to that. For Pete's sake Lee Muthoga is one such fellow who appear attractive from the outside but another thing once you get to know his dealings. Jane! wearing an earring is not a symbol of ones sexual orientation, celebrities like Michael Jordan have been wearing them since way back in the 80s to this day and he is not gay. every one has a self defining grooming style nuff said Hehehehe.... ;D TNK, this is hilarious!!! I will go to sleep now!
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 27, 2011 2:25:26 GMT 3
was just wondering the gent in the picture, by western nomenclature is wearing earings, bracelets, necklaces, hairbands etc and yet this is one almost over glorified image of the kenyan warrior so popular that many a tourist have come out to grab one for themselves if we go by janes definition we may have a problem here, no need to even look far to the likes of michael jordanand the likes. we have our own homegrown brilliant and elegant attire that has inspired many of us. perhaps jane doe(s) (hehehe pun intended) needs to redefine herself Actually Africans, both men and women wore earing and body paint (tatoos) long before it was a Western phenomenon. Its amazing how folks ignorant of their culture, can climb on the Mt top and expose their ignorance. Same thing with homosex, its a practice that was carried out by Africans too, long before the bazungu came here as wakoloni.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 27, 2011 3:13:15 GMT 3
Jane, I was going to let you know about Dr. Mutunga's contribution and input in various fields here in Canada through FORD foundation but Adongo has already beaten me to that. For Pete's sake Lee Muthoga is one such fellow who appear attractive from the outside but another thing once you get to know his dealings. Jane! wearing an earring is not a symbol of ones sexual orientation, celebrities like Michael Jordan have been wearing them since way back in the 80s to this day and he is not gay. every one has a self defining grooming style nuff said TNK, The cultural context within which the above regalia is worn is totally different and with different nuances as to that in which Mutunga's earing is worn. That however is not to say that I think the poor fellow is gay. That is his own shauri anyway.
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Post by shifta on Apr 27, 2011 4:26:33 GMT 3
destiny said: Which people thought PLO was perfect? Wapi ( as Moi would have asked)? Hapa? on Jukwaa? You must have missed the dressing down he got here especially from Adongo who gave us detailed betrayals of PLO during his UoN days.
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Post by man on Apr 27, 2011 8:53:15 GMT 3
With all due respect to everyone, I think both the Chief Justice and the Deputy should go to women in the spirit of the new constitution that at least a third of government positions be filled by women. Both the Executive and Legislative arms of the government are dominated by men. Men occupy both the top and deputy positions of these arms of govt. The third arm, the Judiciary should therefore be reserved for women and I believe that is not too much to ask. In any case, out of the 10 candidates for the CJ position, the one with the highest level of integrity of them all (both men and women) is non other than the Hon. Lady Justice Mary Ang'awa. This iron lady would be the best Chief Justice for Kenya.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 27, 2011 8:59:26 GMT 3
The issue of Willy's (ouch!!) earring has been debated and he has been bery categorical that if it means taking off the earring, then he does not want the job. He has already explained that those who think he is gay should know that he is married and sired offspring (not that it cancels him from being gay though!).
The point that has been made is lack of judicial knowledge and contrary to Job's attempt at reducing the job of CJ to being purely administrative, the CJ will be president of the Supreme Court as well as constitutional head of the Judiciary and the duties of the supreme court are clearly laid out in the constitution.
The problem I have with someone like Willy as said before is his lack of judicial experience and also his previous life as an activist. He would perhaps make a good judge of the High Court, but he certainly needs some stripes to sit on the supreme court - leave alone heading it!
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Post by man on Apr 28, 2011 1:21:35 GMT 3
Instead of singling out Citizen TV on this issue, we should also be cognisant to the fact that some behavior and attire are still not generally accepted in our society. Unfortunate as that my be, it is simply the sad fact. Just recently our very own National Assembly kicked out a member (Sonko) for improper attire which included earings. At least for Sonko's case the arguement can be that he is from the dotcom generation and that may be the trend in the generation. I wonder what can be said for Dr. Mutunga's case
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Post by einstein on Apr 28, 2011 2:09:21 GMT 3
Instead of singling out Citizen TV on this issue, we should also be cognisant to the fact that some behavior and attire are still not generally accepted in our society. Unfortunate as that my be, it is simply the sad fact. Just recently our very own National Assembly kicked out a member (Sonko) for improper attire which included earings. At least for Sonko's case the arguement can be that he is from the dotcom generation and that may be the trend in the generation. I wonder what can be said for Dr. Mutunga's case Man,No, you are wrong. Sonko NEVER got kicked out of parliament as you claim above. Show me the link to the news article you are quoting please! Only his mode of dressing was debated in parliament.
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Post by man on Apr 28, 2011 7:02:13 GMT 3
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