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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 29, 2011 18:52:54 GMT 3
[quote author=akinyi2005 been trying to avoid giving this non-issue any more undue attention, b6k shouldn't we merge this thread with the one that someone started awhile ago about 'clowns joining the 2012 presidential race?[/sup]
Akinyi2005, Not so fast nyamera. Ralph Tuju's republican candidacy must be recognised first as his democratic right. Plenty chaps here dismiss him as an MK puppet, a spoiler for Raila, but I say even if you hate people, sometimes it is important to grant they too have the power of thought. If like PManiac and the rest claim, Tuju is a nobody, in which case a none thing against Raila, would the MK maffia be so dumb as to front him? would they be so ... idiotic as to annoint a useless candidate to confront the Raila turbo? a political suicide mission then? This is a clique which has maintained Kibaki in power for 14 years by all means necessary. You don't do that by amateuristic schemes.
I think it was okolowaka who got it right. Tuju's candidacy has majorly to do with the post Raila period. The Raila sucession. I ask those who dismiss Tuju without a thought: with Raila retired as in for example dead, who amongst the Luo crown pretenders enters his shoes? Then you realise how formidable Tuju suddenly looks.
But more importantly I notice this candidacy is awkward in Luoland in another aspect. The political civil war in Luoland is going to a head. The bareaucratic decimation of Miguna was a symptom of how hot the kitchen of monopoly is. Personally I have no time for monopolies. They as a rule inhibit creativity, encourage psychophancy, inefficiency and all the other ills you will read in economic text books. Whether it is IBM, Microsoft, GM, they grow arrogant, intimidate and kill the opposition/competition and try shove their shoddy goods down consumer's throats. And so it is with political monopolies, and why one party states ran their historical course so quickly. The Raila monopoly in Nyanza is in the same category, where it has produced worthless public adminstrators [Every municipality in Nyanza is a horror case of mismanagement, not to mention public hospitals like Siaya General and Nyanza General (od-tho[/i)], and the worst excesses of duplicity: Nobody wants to talk publicly about the so called ÓDM tax, an extortion of small businesses by licencing boards, as contribution to the cause.
Competition will offer choice in this backwater of ours which is under asphixiation. Tuju therefore, unconciously or conciously, is an attempt by Luo nationalism to point to the need for diversity. The need to break away from the stifling embrace of inferior homogeneity. He is the harbinger of a new historical dispensation, a cultural warning. Whether he is MK project or not. Some historical forces arrive in incarnations. If Luo culture and nationalism has lost the power to produce a counterweight to a monopoly, then forces from without shall do it instead. Time and tide waits for no nation.
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 29, 2011 19:07:26 GMT 3
Phil describes the mobile clinic of Rarieda which was Tuju's initiative as ill-concieved. I will take issue with that later. We, of the south Nyanza islands, studied the model to copy it into a mobile boat, floating hospital plying the islands, even offering surgical relief to difficult births. Think of that Chinese floating hospital that arrived in mombasa recently is a run-away sucess!
And on Tuju loosing Rarieda to Gumbo. Perched at Mbita [every hour a boat arriving from Rarieda [Misori or Lwanda Kotieno beach] we followed the tale of skullduggery like junkies. It was a spellbinding episode whose story is not yet told fully.
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Post by mugabe on Aug 29, 2011 21:54:12 GMT 3
Jakawsanga
I agree. Luo nationalism needs diversity and a plan B.
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Post by akinyi2005 on Aug 29, 2011 22:05:26 GMT 3
jakaswanga,
i know we have our own clowns to deal with ie pretenders to the throne as you call them but you must be the only one that truly believes that 'jasunga' (the proud one)Tuju can be a political force as things currently stand. think for a moment of our kind of politics and what Tuju's experience has been in the past - the 'andhoga' (traitor) tag just won't go away. it's his democratic right to stand for any office but truth be told he is not a serious presidential candidate no wonder he couldn't name his party choosing instead to wait and see what direction this ICC thing goes. Is he being fronted as a possible compromise candidate in case muthamaki is nabbed -remember they don't trust ruto he's too headstrong and ambitious for their liking? kalonzo, wamalwa etc? nah probably too wishy-washy for anyone to bank on. is it to chip away at some of the votes from rao's stronghold even if by a few thousand votes? or is this just one of the desperate measures we have lately seen coming from those quarters? i don't have any answers. What i know is that many loop holes that have previously been used by the same 'mta do' cartel don't exist anymore. These people need a president that will continue to take care of their interests after 2012. So yes fasten your seat belt for more amateurish and even deadly schemes.
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Post by b6k on Aug 29, 2011 23:23:04 GMT 3
Akinyi, if the lesser pretenders to the throne are "clowns" in your book, what does that make the so called top guns in the circus that is KE politics?
Even in the US where the political system has been simplified to an almost comical contest between the Democrats & the Republicans they do allow for the occasional "joker" in the pack. This is where "clowns" like Ralph Nader (hey there you go, another Ralph!) came to play in the past & caused havoc for Al Gore.
You underestimate the likes of Tuju, Karua, Kenneth & yet they may still play a vital role as they provide viable options for protest voters. Someone said on another thread that there is something wrong when you have the scions of the first president & a former VP of KE vying for the presidency almost 50 years after their fathers were in office. We need a change & change will only come as the "clowns" continue to buck the trend & stand up to be counted. I'd vote for Tuju, Kenneth, or Karua so as not to vote for the silver spoon crowd that's been running the show since independence & has a conveyer belt of progeny to continue to do so in perpetuity if we allow them to do so.
That said, if the "clowns" did work together & front a single candidate with one of them as a VP & the rest as potential cabinet members, that would be a stroke of genius. They could sell themselves as a "progressive" dream team working in harmony to save KE. After all by gunning for the presidency their current constituencies will be left vacant & none of them, save for the one who wins the presidency, is assured of a job. This being KE & all of them having the Mwafrika disease of wanting to be president will make such an alliance impossible.
PS: When you speak in "shortwave" in a language that has not yet gone national (ie resided in state house) you leave many of us floating. Pray tell, what on earth is "andhoga"?
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Post by akinyi2005 on Aug 30, 2011 0:19:48 GMT 3
PS: When you speak in "shortwave" in a language that has not yet gone national (ie resided in state house) you leave many of us floating. Pray tell, what on earth is "andhoga"? my bad check the modified post! lakini where were you when we were all learning the 3rd official language?
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Post by b6k on Aug 30, 2011 1:08:29 GMT 3
Thanks Akinyi. Modification makes your points much clearer now.
I make it a point to learn additional "national" languages only when state house is resided in by a son of x, y, or z. As we've only had presidents from x & y in 47 years (which means some conversational knowledge of x & y assures you service in a government offices depending on who's in charge), I don't expect a huge change to warrant language classes just yet.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Aug 30, 2011 4:55:35 GMT 3
You underestimate the likes of Tuju, Karua, Kenneth & yet they may still play a vital role as they provide viable options for protest voters. Someone said on another thread that there is something wrong when you have the scions of the first president & a former VP of KE vying for the presidency almost 50 years after their fathers were in office. conveyer belt of progeny to continue to do so in perpetuity if we allow them to do so. ;? Actually its not wana jukwaa who consider this guy a clown, but the voters from where ever he came from. How can he not get 10% of the vote yet I hear he was a Minister in a very big Ministry. Ministers have lost elections before but not by pathetic margins like that. Eti he established a mobile clinic? What the bloody heck is that? A clinic that hops from here to there treating what exactly? If the bloody thing has moved from where you reside in point A to a few miles in point B then what? Why not have a small dispensary that is stationary? Ujinga hii, where did it come from? That is the best bread crumb the guy got from keguoya? Wow! While mt kenya mafiyans are told to steal billions from Min of Education huyu jamaa anapewa an asset that depreciates by the day? kie kie kie ;D ;D jamaa jinga kweli. Watu sio wajinga they can see a clown who has strings attached on him like a marionette and the mafiyans are pulling the strings. Where did this clinic go to anyway now that voters saw through that clumsy charade? Did he tell his constituents 'you have sacked me now go to hell I will take my mobile clinic with me?' Or did he park it at his mansion? And also scions and daughters of political families all over the world stand a better chance than the ordinary politician to succeed their forefathers. Its happened in India - Gandhis, USA (Kennedys, Bushes, Adams) Indonesia (current lady PM succeeded her bro), The Milliband brothers in the UK, etc. Kenya is no different. That argument so and so cant run for office b/cos his father was a pol, is stale, irrelevant and frankly just pure nonsense. Let the voters decide. You vote for whomever you want, hata kama ni clowns with political parties of the brief case variety.
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Post by b6k on Aug 30, 2011 8:58:32 GMT 3
Yes PM ultimately that's what it all boils down to. Freedom of choice so the more the merrier. Even Nazlin Omar got a vote or two.
Political dynasties though common globally are a bit of a waste. Generally speaking the first generation leader tends to be the best. The others are voted in by gullible sheeple trying to recreate past glories or emotions. There can only be one camelot, but hey, freedom of choice allows for dynasties to take root.
You are most welcome to vote for your big clown. I will select a smaller one when the time is right. KE has had 2 intelligent men as presidents who ascended into power when their intellect was either waning due to medical conditions or old age. A third was a political genius in a street-smart Machiavellian way but was sadly an intellectual dwarf in real terms.
I therefore find it difficult to support your clown as he falls into the first category. A sharp mind that has had its day. He brought us out of Egypt but shouldn't lead us into Canaan. Sadly he'll be 67 when he assumes the top job & 72 at the end of term one yet he's body has already shown signs of wear & tear. If the strains nusu mkeka alone could lead to the so called "brain washing" procedure to relieve pressure in his head, what may possibly happen when he's fully in charge?
The lessons we've learned from the two intellectuals who were subject to medical scares while in office (heart attacks for one, strokes for the other) is that the cabal around them run the show while keeping the president a drug-dazed puppet. Thus a vote for RAO is a vote for shadow president Jakoyo Midiwo. As many of you ODM supporters have already stated RE: the MM saga, that will be an untenable situation. So PM, why tempt fate? You're better off voting for a lesser evil.
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Post by cheshirecat on Aug 30, 2011 9:44:53 GMT 3
You underestimate the likes of Tuju, Karua, Kenneth & yet they may still play a vital role as they provide viable options for protest voters. Someone said on another thread that there is something wrong when you have the scions of the first president & a former VP of KE vying for the presidency almost 50 years after their fathers were in office. conveyer belt of progeny to continue to do so in perpetuity if we allow them to do so. ;? Actually its not wana jukwaa who consider this guy a clown, but the voters from where ever he came from. How can he not get 10% of the vote yet I hear he was a Minister in a very big Ministry. Ministers have lost elections before but not by pathetic margins like that. Eti he established a mobile clinic? What the bloody heck is that? A clinic that hops from here to there treating what exactly? If the bloody thing has moved from where you reside in point A to a few miles in point B then what? Why not have a small dispensary that is stationary? Ujinga hii, where did it come from? That is the best bread crumb the guy got from keguoya? Wow! While mt kenya mafiyans are told to steal billions from Min of Education huyu jamaa anapewa an asset that depreciates by the day? kie kie kie ;D ;D jamaa jinga kweli. Watu sio wajinga they can see a clown who has strings attached on him like a marionette and the mafiyans are pulling the strings. Where did this clinic go to anyway now that voters saw through that clumsy charade? Did he tell his constituents 'you have sacked me now go to hell I will take my mobile clinic with me?' Or did he park it at his mansion? And also scions and daughters of political families all over the world stand a better chance than the ordinary politician to succeed their forefathers. Its happened in India - Gandhis, USA (Kennedys, Bushes, Adams) Indonesia (current lady PM succeeded her bro), The Milliband brothers in the UK, etc. Kenya is no different. That argument so and so cant run for office b/cos his father was a pol, is stale, irrelevant and frankly just pure nonsense. Let the voters decide. You vote for whomever you want, hata kama ni clowns with political parties of the brief case variety. If one bothered, one might ask what YOU have done for your own community apart from laughing at the attempts of others to better their societies. Am also not very surprised that no one has disputed Jakaswanga's assertion about the ODM tax (extortion) that is levied to small business owners in Kisumu to help the 'cause'. I have never heard of it before. What an informative place Jukwaa is.
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Post by cheshirecat on Aug 30, 2011 9:46:10 GMT 3
You underestimate the likes of Tuju, Karua, Kenneth & yet they may still play a vital role as they provide viable options for protest voters. Someone said on another thread that there is something wrong when you have the scions of the first president & a former VP of KE vying for the presidency almost 50 years after their fathers were in office. conveyer belt of progeny to continue to do so in perpetuity if we allow them to do so. ;? Actually its not wana jukwaa who consider this guy a clown, but the voters from where ever he came from. How can he not get 10% of the vote yet I hear he was a Minister in a very big Ministry. Ministers have lost elections before but not by pathetic margins like that. Eti he established a mobile clinic? What the bloody heck is that? A clinic that hops from here to there treating what exactly? If the bloody thing has moved from where you reside in point A to a few miles in point B then what? Why not have a small dispensary that is stationary? Ujinga hii, where did it come from? That is the best bread crumb the guy got from keguoya? Wow! While mt kenya mafiyans are told to steal billions from Min of Education huyu jamaa anapewa an asset that depreciates by the day? kie kie kie ;D ;D jamaa jinga kweli. Watu sio wajinga they can see a clown who has strings attached on him like a marionette and the mafiyans are pulling the strings. Where did this clinic go to anyway now that voters saw through that clumsy charade? Did he tell his constituents 'you have sacked me now go to hell I will take my mobile clinic with me?' Or did he park it at his mansion? And also scions and daughters of political families all over the world stand a better chance than the ordinary politician to succeed their forefathers. Its happened in India - Gandhis, USA (Kennedys, Bushes, Adams) Indonesia (current lady PM succeeded her bro), The Milliband brothers in the UK, etc. Kenya is no different. That argument so and so cant run for office b/cos his father was a pol, is stale, irrelevant and frankly just pure nonsense. Let the voters decide. You vote for whomever you want, hata kama ni clowns with political parties of the brief case variety. If one bothered, one might ask what YOU have done for your own community apart from laughing at the attempts of others to better their societies. Am also not very surprised that no one has disputed Jakaswanga's assertion about the ODM tax (extortion) that is levied to small business owners in Kisumu to help the 'cause'. I have never heard of it before. What an informative place Jukwaa is.
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Post by b6k on Aug 30, 2011 10:11:10 GMT 3
Cheshirecat your right. We've been hearing a lot of jibes against the Mt Kenya Mafia (rightfully so, I should add) but it turns out ODM has a forced taxation racket going on in it's own backyard?! Protection money is a classic mafia means of raising revenue. I hope Jakaswanga can expound on how it works. Percentages, payment periods, what sanctions one faces if they don't pay, etc. Fascinating stuff indeed!
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Post by kiongo on Aug 30, 2011 10:17:43 GMT 3
i don't care whether he is G7 or not but what i i know...raila odinga house is slowly breaking. however painful it is, lets allow tuju and martha karua to join handsand we havea prosperous kenya foreveryone
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Post by mzee on Aug 30, 2011 15:15:11 GMT 3
i don't care whether he is G7 or not but what i i know...raila odinga house is slowly breaking. however painful it is, lets allow tuju and martha karua to join handsand we havea prosperous kenya foreveryone Kiongo,This is only your second post and you have started with Raila this Raila that. Sooner or later you will discover that jukwaa is not a Raila bashing forum.
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Post by tactician on Aug 30, 2011 16:48:22 GMT 3
i don't care whether he is G7 or not but what i i know...raila odinga house is slowly breaking. however painful it is, lets allow tuju and martha karua to join handsand we havea prosperous kenya foreveryone Kiongo,This is only your second post and you have started with Raila this Raila that. Sooner or later you will discover that jukwaa is not a Raila bashing forum. Mzee, And Jukwaa is a Tuju bashing forum eh? What hypocrisy. Raila will be adored and bashed whether you like it or not. Man up, he aint a god. And FYI, Jukwaa ain't a Raila campaign forum where you defend him at all costs. Let Kiongo express himself as he sees fit.
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Post by b6k on Aug 30, 2011 18:29:10 GMT 3
As Benjamin Franklin said, "it is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority." I find it mind boggling that some individuals spend an inordinate amount of time quoting statutes or raising issues where PNU has erred yet they remain quite restrained on most wrong doings from the ODM top brass. The sacking of MM was like a breath of fresh air on Jukwaa, because for a very brief period, a few of staunchest ODM stalwarts started questioning RAO & his cabal in a very real & visceral sense. Pity that outrage against the naked emperor didn't last long as the sting of a fallen comrade soon faded.
To question your opponents authority is always very simple. When you question your own leaderships' authority, now that is the beginning of free thinking.
Since Jakaswanga appears to have broken some sort of Omertà by disclosing forced taxation that supports "our dear leader" & his party, I hope his fellow constituents here will go easy on him lest he be accused of Raila bashing. That's codswallop of the highest order if you ask me.
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Post by akinyi2005 on Aug 30, 2011 19:19:48 GMT 3
jakaswanga has a penchant for spicing up his posts and sometimes making unsubtantiated claims. my advice, don't take everything he says and run with it unless you know more about these so called ODM forced taxes. care to shed more light?
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Post by tactician on Aug 30, 2011 19:36:05 GMT 3
jakaswanga, i know we have our own clowns to deal with ie pretenders to the throne as you call them but you must be the only one that truly believes that 'jasunga' (the proud one)Tuju can be a political force as things currently stand. think for a moment of our kind of politics and what Tuju's experience has been in the past - the 'andhoga' (traitor) tag just won't go away. it's his democratic right to stand for any office but truth be told he is not a serious presidential candidate no wonder he couldn't name his party choosing instead to wait and see what direction this ICC thing goes. Is he being fronted as a possible compromise candidate in case muthamaki is nabbed -remember they don't trust ruto he's too headstrong and ambitious for their liking? kalonzo, wamalwa etc? nah probably too wishy-washy for anyone to bank on. is it to chip away at some of the votes from rao's stronghold even if by a few thousand votes? or is this just one of the desperate measures we have lately seen coming from those quarters? i don't have any answers. What i know is that many loop holes that have previously been used by the same 'mta do' cartel don't exist anymore. These people need a president that will continue to take care of their interests after 2012. So yes fasten your seat belt for more amateurish and even deadly schemes. So Tuju is an andhoga (traitor)? Who has he betrayed?
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 30, 2011 19:46:30 GMT 3
PM wrote ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [sup]Eti he established a mobile clinic? What the bloody heck is that? A clinic that hops from here to there treating what exactly? If the bloody thing has moved from where you reside in point A to a few miles in point B then what? Why not have a small dispensary that is stationary? Ujinga hii, where did it come from?[/b[/color]][/sup] -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This level of mania requires a sedative. Now take this at the specified dosage. MOBILE CLINICS. Is an invention as old as war. This is essentially a hospital which moves from place to place. War is a good starting point, since frontlines can stretch hundreds of kms, and better the doc goes to the patient than vice versa.
Mobile clinics are used majorly in inaccessable, remote areas [the amazon, the congo] and amongst nomadic peoples. And places where trained medics are rare. But also to accomodate those who find the trip to a far-off hospital too high a threshold.
A mobile clinic has a timetable, so it will be back at specif places at specified dates, for follow up, or usual patrol. Dispensaries are there [in Rarieda] but the mobile clinic brought medical specialisations which were not in the dispensaries: [eg. a (mobile) laboratory]. So it was complimentary to other institutions.
I do not know where it came from, but I can find out, since I know a doctor we funded to study the feasability of transposing this model to [water-based] boat.
WHY DID IT FAIL? Can someone remember why bore-holes which saved Seme [that is Nyong'o's backyard] women the labour of walking 5km with 20 liter jerricans, failed? Or why Lake Basin Development authority failed to do in 30 years what Dominion did in 3? ------------------------------- Here: Youth wingers for hire, allied to the anti-Tuju candidate, claiming [ gini okel ka mondo ogo Agwambo] this thing is brought here to whip Raila with, vandalised the trailer where it used to be parked at Aram Market near Asembo bay. They slashed the tyres and destroyed the lab. After that it was repaired and stationed at Tuju's home as security was arranged. [Then rumours started it was his private clinic for his home people!]. Eventually it was stationed at Kalandin police station [that is the Rarieda divisional headquaters, near Lwak Girls High school]. But everytime it moved out to duty and evening came, anti-Tuju youth, sometimes chanting Raila's name, would threaten the staff and slash the tires. After an abortive arson attempt, the staff gave up.
Otiende Amollo is a Rarieda lawyer working in Nairobi, and once mentioned as AG candidate. Onyango Oloo can call him and see if he has a different story from this one.
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 30, 2011 19:58:15 GMT 3
jakaswanga has a penchant for spicing up his posts and sometimes making unsubtantiated claims. my advice, don't take everything he says and run with it unless you know more about these so called ODM forced taxes. care to shed more light? akinyi, so you do not know that what the fee on the licence says in small ksm shops, is not the fee they paid? They always pay higher. I understand your discomfort at this kind of dirt! Like the fiasco at Ofaffa hall and her accounts!
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Post by akinyi2005 on Aug 30, 2011 19:58:28 GMT 3
jakaswanga, i know we have our own clowns to deal with ie pretenders to the throne as you call them but you must be the only one that truly believes that 'jasunga' (the proud one)Tuju can be a political force as things currently stand. think for a moment of our kind of politics and what Tuju's experience has been in the past - the 'andhoga' (traitor) tag just won't go away. it's his democratic right to stand for any office but truth be told he is not a serious presidential candidate no wonder he couldn't name his party choosing instead to wait and see what direction this ICC thing goes. Is he being fronted as a possible compromise candidate in case muthamaki is nabbed -remember they don't trust ruto he's too headstrong and ambitious for their liking? kalonzo, wamalwa etc? nah probably too wishy-washy for anyone to bank on. is it to chip away at some of the votes from rao's stronghold even if by a few thousand votes? or is this just one of the desperate measures we have lately seen coming from those quarters? i don't have any answers. What i know is that many loop holes that have previously been used by the same 'mta do' cartel don't exist anymore. These people need a president that will continue to take care of their interests after 2012. So yes fasten your seat belt for more amateurish and even deadly schemes. So Tuju is an andhoga (traitor)? Who has he betrayed? he betrayed 96% of his Rarieda constituents that wanted him to follow a certain direction but he chose instead to 'die for somebody' even at the risk of miserably losing his seat. BTW not my description but his constituents' thoughts of him .
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Post by akinyi2005 on Aug 30, 2011 20:22:04 GMT 3
jakaswanga has a penchant for spicing up his posts and sometimes making unsubtantiated claims. my advice, don't take everything he says and run with it unless you know more about these so called ODM forced taxes. care to shed more light? akinyi, so you do not know that what the fee on the licence says in small ksm shops, is not the fee they paid? They always pay higher. I understand your discomfort at this kind of dirt! Like the fiasco at Ofaffa hall and her accounts! am aware that the councillors and by extension the employees have for a long time been fleecing small traders in this way - i pity the traders at kibuye mkt and 'stend'. if some unscrupulous people choose to invoke the name of the party leader or the party in their schemes is it fair to label such illegal taxation as ODM taxation?
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Post by adongo23456 on Aug 30, 2011 20:29:24 GMT 3
akinyi,
We went through all these rubbish from 2005 to 2007. A million times they told us Raila was finished. If I had a penny every time I have heard that nonsense, Bill Gates wouldn't touch me as far as cash is concerned.
They told us about how Tuju will change Nyanza politics because he was "development minded". They kept talking about a mobile clinic. The only problem is that I am from Bondo and went to school in the present Rarieda constituency. My sister, the most hard working human being I know, lives in Rarieda. I have been to Rarieda a thousand times including just a few months after the election. I was there in July to Sept 2003 trying to see this new Kenya of Narc. By then Tuju had just built his house near Ndori market. It is less than ten minutes drive from my simba on the edge of Bondo town. From Tuju's place, you pass Raila's Opoda home to get to my joint. These are my neighbours.
So as they peddled their theories and stories collected from bars I had a front row on what Tuju was actually doing on the gorund. He was not a bad person. The Rarieda folks actually liked him. There was nothing unique really going on.
The mobile clinic came later but it was more of a spectacle than a utility. Incidentally the mobile clinic left with Tuju which tells you if you want to build things like mobile clinics you need to institutionalize them instead of treating them like personal gifts or bribes to citizens dispensed at your whims. There are actually much more serious models and better plans for building a mobile health system in Kenya. I have written a lot about it and some friends in Bondo are trying to do it.
The concept is to use the mobile phone revolution and get health practitioners like nurses to visit sick people in their homes. The health providers (community health centres, hospitals etc) can set up a unit to do this kind of work. Avail motorobikes and bikes to health providers, let the sick folks call the centre and then dispatch the workers to their homes. What we have convinced people is that is better to treat a person with dierhea or cholera as well as other diseases in their own homes than have them travel long distances generously distributing the disease on their way and also getting to health centres sicker and more difficult to treat.
If such a strategy is worked out well, you can map out the whole county for example and allocate specific health practitioners to specific areas. Any Kenyan today has an access to a cell phone. Let them call the medical call centre and get a worker discharged. That worker or workers can then handle a whole list of callers in the same neighbourhood by getting info from the call centre to move from one home to the next. We will be re-inventing the foot doctor doctrine (it was amazingly succesful in countries like China and Nicaragua) but with better technology and efficiency.
Before you know it, you will have a functioning health care system in the rural areas of the country. These things are not rocket science. We just need to think and to act. With the kind of money they are throwing around, the Kenyan government could work this out very easily, but I am not holding my breath and that is why for now it is up to the NGO sector to put some of these things on the ground. Some sensible government may stumble on the country some day and mainstream such concepts of service delivery in the whole country.
With some creativity and resources we are convinced this is one way to actually have some form of a health system in rural Kenya. With this kind of health delivery system in the rural areas and even urban slums we can free the district and refferal hospitals so as to handle more serious cases that need hospitalization instead of flooding them with people who have basic ailments that can easily be handled by nurses on bikes and motorbikes etc. Quack doctors are doing a booming business with their bikes and dirty sringes because they are available at your call and some even "treat" people in exhange for a glass of chang'aa. Imagine that. So this a very viable way to buidl rural health care. But that is just one item. There is a project like that in Kakamega. I don't know if it has grown.
So when I hear people yap about development this and that and they do not offer even a sketch of an idea on how these things are actually done on the ground and instead tell us about people like Tuju as their role models I know they have no clue what they are talking about other than spreading gossip.
There is a guy called Rubik, a former student leader of SONU who was expelled with kina Odindo Opiata, OO's friends (both Rubik and Opiata come from Rarieda). Rubik has done some amazing things in Rarieda in terms of development, in the water sector particularly. You never hear about these people citing his name because most of the gossipers about development in Nyanza have never been there. They repeat what they hear in the rumour mill. It is not very helpful information.
In the Tuju case the moment he became a mascot for nonsensical anti-Raila battles and pretending that he was this big rising giant in Nyanza any serious person knew he was a clown and he has not let anybody down in that regard. He is what everybody thought he was.
Tuju can be a president and could even make a good president. The only problem is he needs to find a country where he can be president. Kenya is not that country. It is just that simple. If some people want to cry about that, let them go ahead and good luck with the tears.
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 30, 2011 21:47:46 GMT 3
akinyi, so you do not know that what the fee on the licence says in small ksm shops, is not the fee they paid? They always pay higher. I understand your discomfort at this kind of dirt! Like the fiasco at Ofaffa hall and her accounts! am aware that the councillors and by extension the employees have for a long time been fleecing small traders in this way - i pity the traders at kibuye mkt and 'stend'. if some unscrupulous people choose to invoke the name of the party leader or the party in their schemes is it fair to label such illegal taxation as ODM taxation? akinyi, So you are aware of the fleecing? or you have joined me in spicing, and selling figments of my imagination?! [--not a bad racket in the department of philosophy besides!]. Make up your mind quick for am taking you further out to deeper waters. And just like Russia hospital is folklorically called od-tho [house of death] as opposed to od-thieth [house of treatment], what is the name the traders have given to this 'fleecing'? Now, are you aware of the next level of fleecing, impacted on the bigger traders and the industrialists? Surely you do not believe what happens at the mcro level has no reflection at the macro?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Aug 30, 2011 21:52:13 GMT 3
akinyi,We went through all these rubbish from 2005 to 2007. A million times they told us Raila was finished. If I had a penny every time I have heard that nonsense, Bill Gates wouldn't touch me as far as cash is concerned.They told us about how Tuju will change Nyanza politics because he was "development minded". They kept talking about a mobile clinic. The only problem is that I am from Bondo and went to school in the present Rarieda constituency. My sister, the most hard working human being I know, lives in Rarieda. I have been to Rarieda a thousand times including just a few months after the election. So when I hear people yap about development this and that and they do not offer even a sketch of an idea on how these things are actually done on the ground and instead tell us about people like Tuju as their role models I know they have no clue what they are talking about other than spreading gossip. In the Tuju case the moment he became a mascot for nonsensical anti-Raila battles and pretending that he was this big rising giant in Nyanza any serious person knew he was a clown and he has not let anybody down in that regard. He is what everybody thought he was. Tuju can be a president and could even make a good president. The only problem is he needs to find a country where he can be president. Kenya is not that country. It is just that simple. If some people want to cry about that, let them go ahead and good luck with the tears. Need I say more? In the land where my mom was born, they have a saying that goes something like 'sikio la kufa halisikii dawa'The bible even puts it more interestingly, that some have eyes but will never see, while others have ears, they will never hear. That is the tragedy that is my folk in Luo Nyanza.
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