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Post by Onyango Oloo on Nov 8, 2007 15:07:07 GMT 3
A Commentary by Onyango Oloo in NairobiSome of my friends have observed that Onyango Oloo has of late, maintained a curious silence-long by internet standards- in the face of the most hotly contested election in Kenya’s history. The truth of the matter is that it is only online where I have been struck mute. Elsewhere, life has been quite robust and boisterous. For instance, this last weekend I was down at the Coast-revisiting my old home town and also ambling along to Diani beach for some long overdue rest and relaxation. Now some people think that ODM fever is in Nyanza or Rift Valley. Perhaps, but it is in Mombasa and all over Pwani that you truly encounter the most fervent Agwambo fans. Everywhere we went- Buxton, Tononoka, Majengo Sega, Majengo Sidiria, Bondeni, Mji wa Kale, Magongo, Shika Adabu, Ngomeni, Tudor, Ganjoni, Kongowea, Sarigoi, Mwembe Kuku, Kiembeni, even as far as Mtwapa on the North Mainland and Ukunda and Diani on the South Coast- everyone: the Tuk Tuk operators, the cab drivers, the mkokoteni pusher, the kahawa chungu imbibers, the flashy beach boys, the local Kenyan tourists sipping their beers and tropical smoothies by the Indian Ocean; the intoxicated revelers at Casablanca, Florida, Salambo, Noons, Bobs, Casuarina, you name it were all quite vocal about their support for the ODM flag bearer. And mark you, this was on the same weekend when the lame duck PNU incumbent made yet another foray into the ancient city of war. Many of the Mombasa residents I spoke with and to felt a mixture of melancholic pity for the former Othaya MP who has of late been screaming himself shrill and hoarse in a desperate attempt to run away from his laid back avuncular mien, probably kow towing to his Kibaki Tena handlers who may want to reinvent him as a go-getting, cut to the chase Alpha Male politrickian. It was actually sad, as we were boarding the Sunday 10:30 pm Coast Bus back to Nairobi, to see many young, obviously Central Kenyan PNU supporters also clambering aboard after completing their ill-fated mission of traveling all the way from Nairobi to come down and pose as Mombasa supporters for Mwai Kibaki. One of my civil society colleagues who works with an NGO in Mombasa revealed to me how she had been approached by Kibaki Tena operatives to be part of the PNU cheerleading squad in Kenya’s second largest town; how she had been offered money; how some unscrupulous members of PNU and the Kibaki Tena lobby group were cynically misusing large chunks of the KShs. 800,000,000 that has been set aside to buy hearts and minds for the re-election of Kibaki… Another friend of mine, who happens to be a forty something man born and bred in Katse, part of the old Kitui District, not far from Kalonzo Musyoka's home base, also told me that the ODM-K supremo was blatantly offering 250 shillings (not personally of course) for young people to attend his rallies. Three and a half weeks ago, when I was in Nakuru, my nephew who has lived all the years of his twentysomething life in that market town introduced me to three pals- Kariuki, Waweru and Mbogua- who told me how disgusted they were at the way some PNU politicians were trying to drum ukabila in their heads and how they remained Agwambo Damu supporters who would exercise their right to vote this December. I have stated previously that my previous interactions with Kenyans from Moyale, Mandela, Lagdera, Isiolo and elsewhere seems to further confirm the solid national backing a cross section of Kenyans have for Raila Amolo Odinga. In the meantime, PNU continues to flounder. A comrade of ours, a former political prisoner who later on captured one of the Central Kenyan parliamentary seats foretold the nagging crisis we are all now witnessing with DP, Safina, Shirikisho, FORD-People, New FORD-Kenya and other so called vyama tanzu jostling to field their own civic and parliamentary candidates. PNU is an ark that is doomed to end up shipwrecked and consigned to a cultural museum in the not too distant future. And speaking of PNU drum beaters, I think that the newly named Cardinal Njue could have been better off with his trap shut instead of pontificating on Majimbo. He is suffering a backlash right now instead of basking in the limelight of his new promotion. As far as I am concerned and based on all the indicators that I have accessed- including a not yet released opinion poll- seem to strongly suggest that Raila Odinga will be elected as the next Kenyan president. That is a good thing which must be lauded by all reform minded Kenyans. Also good is the strong and unambiguous signals from Orange House that every aspirant is on his or her own and that they should cease and desist from clutching on to Raila's name as their amulet for nomination success. I did hear though from a certain well-known Kenyan who is very close to the top three Pentagon heavyweights that the only possible exceptions to this stricture may be two particular constituencies- Mbita and Bondo- where the two immediate former MPs in spite of being very unpopular on the ground, are deemed to be of so much strategic value to the ODM flag bearer that they will their way back to Bung'e one way or the other. I would like to tell Mheshimiwa Henry Kosgey that Onyango Oloo feels that the ODM Chairman engaged in a rather tawdry and unnecessary rattling of sabres with the rambunctious KADDU supremo Cyrus Jirong'o. As all readers of JUKWAA know by now, I hold no brief for the infamous YK92 operative. However, I am still mystified why Kosgey, who has the whole PNU posse to battle with, would go after Jirong’o who, for whatever opportunistic reason had decided to back Raila Odinga. The ODM leadership realizes, one hopes, that Raila Odinga needs every vote- especially outside the ODM support base- that he can garner. Why alienate Jirong'o for crying out loud? More troubling for me is what happened in Wundanyi during the burial of the former cabinet minister Darius Mbela who just so happens to be the uncle to my comrade and buddy, Mwandawiro Mghanga, the immediate former MP for the area. Mwandawiro has been the leading campaigner for Raila Odinga in the Taita Taveta region and when I attended the ODM special conference at Kasarani as an observer, I saw with my own eyes the number of Coast delegates that Mwandawiro had mobilized to vote for Raila. Now during the funeral itself, according to a conversation a very bitter Mwandawiro had with me two days after the mazishi, the top leadership of ODM simply snubbed and snobbed him, in his own backyard. He tells me that his own brother in law, Philemon Mwaisaka, a former Moi KANU senior civil servant was the preferred darling- despite the fact that right up to just the other day, Mr. Mwaisaka was part of the NARC-Kenya contingent. Mwaisaka who happens to have been Musalia Mudavadi’s permanent secretary when the ODM deputy captain was Minister for Agriculture in the Moi regime has now jumped on the ODM bandwagon and now wants to use his connections with two Pentagon members ( Balala and Mudavadi) to catapult himself into a position where he is the ODM candidate for Wundanyi. Mwandawiro, unlike Jirong’o, is even more resolute in campaigning for the victory of Raila Odinga. The former Wundanyi MP will seek re-election on a SDP ticket.I now want to offer some more unsolicited advice to Raila Odinga, a compatriot I respect for his many contributions to the cause of Kenya’s eventual liberation: Please Ndugu Agwambo, be careful that you do not get isolated from progressive and patriotic Kenyans by some of the self-seeking careerists who pretend to fight for the same things you are agitating for. It would be a sad day indeed if you were elected President only to find yourself hemmed in by a parliament of rightwing chest thumpers and liberal wafflers shying away from taking any bold steps in reconstructing and reconstituting Kenya. You will need as many Mwandawiros, Nyamwamus, Orengos and other radical democrats as you can get. Secondly, comrade Raila, watch out for those Americans. There are reports that they favour you over Kibaki. I am a bit perplexed because I am sure you did not win any brownie points when you exposed the Kibaki regime’s complicity in Uncle Sam’s notorious rendition program. All over the world and throughout its history, the United States government has tried to steer candidates and agenda issues to the right. The USA has already succeeded in watering down the potential impact of progressive candidates in such diverse places as Brazil, South Africa and elsewhere. There is no reason why Kenya should prove to be an exception this time around.One would hope, Ndugu Amolo, that even as the new Kenyan government reaches out to the USA, the UK, Germany and other long tem Kenyan partners and friends, one would also solidify South-South ties with Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, Argentina, South Africa, India, China and so on. One would also hope that a Raila government would look beyond and see the progressive members of the American and European population who stand in solidarity with Africa as we battle EPAs, the WTO and neo-liberal policies such as retrenchment, privatization and liberalization of labour laws.
And with that, and in my capacity as the Administrator of this online Kenyan forum, I would like to officially and formally announce that JUKWAA is endorsing Raila Odinga as the next Kenyan president. Onyango Oloo JUKWAA Administrator Nairobi, Kenya
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Post by aeichener on Nov 8, 2007 16:45:03 GMT 3
Hm.
But wasn't that crystal clar from the outset?
Anyhow, you have now paid your formal and official duty of verbal allegiance, and have given your oath as demanded. Whoever requested you to do so may now tick the pertinent box of his/her agenda sheet as "done".
Back to routine...
Alexander
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Post by politicalmaniac on Nov 8, 2007 17:03:12 GMT 3
AO Wonderful report.
The Mwandawiro saga also has a different spin. Is he an absetee MP? where is his family? Is he fully rooted in his constituency? There are folks who have big issues with his purported one here, and one leg there. He is more of a national player. I wish him well and should he win, I will still be a fan.
Yes, PNU is a sinking ship, the occupants are in denial.
Could you adress the Muslim MoU issue? My folks down there tell me its more of an issue to the chattering talking heads on the WWW, press, and urban elites, but they have 'crossed the rubicon' and are solid Orange.
The Utaguzi issue? any comments?
Also KM, how strong is his campaign on the ground? Is he still impacting the incumbent negatively?
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Post by nereah on Nov 8, 2007 18:19:30 GMT 3
Ndugu Oloo,welcome back to Jukwaa after what is obviously a breath taking hiatus.You were surely missed. Now, grant me the privilege to fault your bold exposition(did I hear someone call it an edict?)that has set tongues wagging and fetishly so. The progressives are surely in cloud nine! With due respect to Ndugu Oloo, your endorsement of Raila has "orphaned" Jukwaa members who either support PNU or don't belong to any of the two camps. Lest I am mistaken, I am not suggesting that there ought to have been a consultation or in any way disclaimer to the endorsement but it surely ought to have taken cognizance to the sensibilities and persuasions of the diverse membership that now stands at 600 plus. All I am asking is a clarification on what the endorsement means to the Kamales,the Dubois, the eichners and of course liberals like yours truly.
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Post by osirisisgod on Nov 8, 2007 19:39:08 GMT 3
Hmmm, nothing new, but very puzzling given that Onyango Oloo of all people should be aware of exactly what is going on. All the same, John Reid was once a Communist too, no offense intended. Wishes, horses, beggars. Surely, OO of all people knows enough to know exactly what is going on. As Amir Ibrahim wrote at KenyaImagine, it is the strangest thing in the world that Kenyan Muslims should support Raila. Muslims supporting ODM? What next?Nereah, I have noted with some pleasure that you are different from the usual Jukwaa crowd, you are precious in that way and it shows that you truly care about Kenya. But Jukwaa has always been about supporting Raila Odinga, that is why it exists. I do not know why it was founded, but that certainly is what it has shaped up to be. Again, like our writers on the other side have variously lamented, the Kenyan left is dead. Those of us, young and restless with leftist leanings are very firmly against ODM, for we have seen the light. It is the most uncomfortable thing for us, but as our betters would say, there is nothing worse than a fake revolutionary. I suppose Onyango Oloo and James Orengo will see the light soon, as will Mwandawiro. In later years, the suggestion that ODM was in any way of the left will be a reliable punchline at comedy shows. Now a personal question to OO. Does it not seem to you odd that anyone should be supporting the person of Raila Odinga? That anyone, any grown-up should be saying such things as Agwambo Damu? Is not such idolatry the fount from which tyranny springs?
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Post by mzee on Nov 8, 2007 20:31:01 GMT 3
Thanks for the nice piece OO, I think that we sometimes expect too much of ODM. That Mwandawiro was snubbed and snobbed by ODM top guns is not fair after he campaigned for R and even mobilised people to vote for him at Kasarani.
What you,however, failed to tell us are the reasons behind the snobb. Its against human nature to all of a sudden start avoiding a person they have known for no good reason. Lets compare notes after you have actually told us why he was snubbed.
Could the friction be because he does want to vie on SDP and not ODM? Cant he just follow Orengos example and officially join ODM? I think that ODM is trying to avoid the PNU situation. Besides, if it allows Mwandawiro to vie on SDP, how would it explain the fact that it shut out Jirongo for similar reasons? How about Kanu?
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Post by politicalmaniac on Nov 8, 2007 21:05:58 GMT 3
Nereah, I plead ignorance to your conviction(s).Since when did you abandon Jukwaa's progressive column?I beg to know because your postings which I reproduce below persuade me otherwise. Its called bait and switch. Lull your opponents into sleep, thinking they are with you, then thump them over the head. It gives them that veneer that they NON PARTISAN and "undecided". I for one was NOT fooled by these stupid infantile antics. Neither am I fooled by "Leftist masqueraders" WHO ARE ANTI ODM. Not only am I not fooled, I dont give a dammn if they, the "leftists" love the PNU crowd. This guy is increasingly bitter and virulent. Perhaps the inevitability of Rs victory is getting into his head!!. Ghost writting ODM bashing articles purported to be from his "cousin" with a Luo name! shoooo. He is not fooling me. If he isnt, then no one here is swallowing that sh!t either. Notice he started out as "sympathetic" to the change agenda embraced by ODM then slowly took an about turn, towards PNU. sheeeesh! bait and switch is all it is. I wont fall for it. The Nile is flowing, change is coming. Either one is moving or they are stagnant. If you move even slowly ni sawa.
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 8, 2007 21:08:09 GMT 3
Osiris
Quite predictably you are here giving us the condenscending lecture about what Jukwaa is about and why it exists. According to you "Jukwaa exists to support Odinga"
Of course you take the opportunity to acquaint us with the "more informed and independent" pieces from KenyaImagine.I wish you could spare that energy for nobler undertakings. You do not know the history, background and mission of Jukwaa.
Jukwaa is a battleground yes, but its history and background probably precedes your birthday. So take your time and ask around, or better still read. It is free.
Jukwaa contemporary roots, to spare you the longer history, dates back to early 1990s when a group of Kenyan exiles and students in Toronto, including myself Onyango Oloo, Atieno Odenyo, Wangari Muruiki and Kathure Kebaaara launched a publication known as "HAKI" which we started publishing a Church basement in Toronto. It was a labour of love with little money, few skills in publishing but a lot of energy.
HAKI was a quarterly publication circulated among Kenyans in North America and sent to Kenya clandestinely. None of us could dare to use our real names. It might surprise you to know that HAKI campaigned vigorously for the release of Kenyan detainees and political prisoners.
Our very first issue had Koigi Wamwere on the cover and the entire publications was dedicated to his capture and lock up as well as the rounding up of members of his extended family. We had featured stories on Kamau Kuria and Martha Karua then going by another name. I don't recollect fully but I doubt there was any mention of Raila Odinga anywhere.
With time HAKI got better and we produced some amazing stories about the Kenya struggle and the survivors. Next time you go to Nairobi go to the People Against Torture (PAT) offices where the entire collection of that publication now occupies its pride of place among the archives of contemporary Kenyan struggles for democracy and human rights.
With the advent of the internet and with the opening up of space allowing "subversives" to participate over ground we took different routes. Oloo can be singularly applauded for sticking with the digital publication route and making it available to progressive Kenyans.
That is what led us to the Kenya Democracy Project which is the harbinger of Jukwaa. I know some of these facts may interfere with your romantic fiction which probably gives you some sort of comfort, but bare with me.
Jukwaa emerged in the heat of the battle for a new constitution. We fought heard and the pages on this board bare our idealogical and philosophical perspectives on the constitution we felt Kenyans were fighting to achieve. So far we have nothing to regret from the positions we took. We are very comfortable that we were on the side of history and the Kenyan people which to us can never be reduced into one man, however much Raila Odinga dominates some peoples thoughts and political actions.
We also used Jukwaa to campaign and offer some strategic thinking against the Wako/Kibaki foolishness of trying to impose a constitution on Kenyans. The people emerged victorious and those attributing all that to Raila are getting a little bit delusional. Kenyans rejected the Kibaki constitution because they didn't like it. Jukwaa is more than proud to have contributed in our little tiny way to that victory.
Now come the Elections. I don't think Jukwaa has ever barred those who support Kibaki, including yourself to air your views here. In fact without the debate between divergent view points Jukwaa would be a bore. Needless to say a good number of those who post on Jukwaa including myself are supportive of ODM and Raila. That is our right.
Jukwaa does not have an Editorial Board. Oloo is the Administrator. It is his judgment to weigh the history of the board and the current constellation of political forces in the country to make the call on whom the Board supports.
I think those who participate on Jukwaa who feel differently should have the right to give their views. My problem is people who chronically distort things to suit their narrow agenda.
If Raila gets to power come January and starts robbing the country, abusing the rights of Kenyans or god forbid start detaining and killing Kenyans who oppose him, there is no doubt in my mind that Jukwaa would be one of his worst nightmares.
That is our background. We entered the world of media as a tool to fight against human rights abuses. It was the best way we could continue our fight for a free and just society after being forced to flee the country. We haven't stopped since. We did not leave the country to fight for Raila. If you don't believe me check it up.
adongo
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Post by politicalmaniac on Nov 8, 2007 21:21:29 GMT 3
AO Have the hard copies of HAKI been digitized so I can peruse them? If not, perhaps one day when you or whomever has time, an online account of that dark era should be made available.
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Post by aeichener on Nov 8, 2007 21:34:39 GMT 3
OsirisQuite predictably you are here giving us the condenscending lecture Predictably it was, but only so because Osirisisgod's disgust for Raila is already well known; as much as your pseudo-religious sycophancy towards your Messiah. As to condescending: again this may be a correct assessment, but in what other tone else could one converse with you and your likes, pray? As to the topic itself, the truly sad thing is that Kenyans don't have a real choice in the forthcoming presidential election: one can only choose between a government which soundly deserves to be voted out of office and to be chased away, and a rabble whose régime would much worse in every conceivable respect (not just corruptionwise, although this aspect is the most dámning w.r.t. the ODM luminaries, this assembly of crooks, carpetbaggers and outright criminals). Thankfully however, there is much more of a viable choice in the parliamentary election. That's where voters indeed can make a true difference, can choose and elect a new, good representative, instead of wavering between evils. Maybe that is the reason why on Jukwaa, the constituencies are hardly ever discussed in substance. Apparently, such a true and informed choice is not a thing that could occupy slave souls that yearn for liidaah-sheep and nothing else. Alexander
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Post by aeichener on Nov 8, 2007 21:42:59 GMT 3
I do not feel orphaned. I simply continue to go around with a lantern in plain sunlight and search for a honest man (and woman).
And I don't feel the least bit afflicted by OO's statement of purpose. It is his forum, he is the admin, he can dedicate it as he wills. No problem with that, and his political conviction as one thing, and his present election choice as one other (!) thing have always been clear, and thus are in no way affected by this (IMO, totally superfluous) clarification.
Alexander
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 9, 2007 1:16:17 GMT 3
OsirisQuite predictably you are here giving us the condenscending lecture Predictably it was, but only so because Osirisisgod's disgust for Raila is already well known; as much as your pseudo-religious sycophancy towards your Messiah. As to condescending: again this may be a correct assessment, but in what other tone else could one converse with you and your likes, pray? As to the topic itself, the truly sad thing is that Kenyans don't have a real choice in the forthcoming presidential election: one can only choose between a government which soundly deserves to be voted out of office and to be chased away, and a rabble whose r?ime would much worse in every conceivable respect (not just corruptionwise, although is aspect is the most d?ning w.r.t. the ODM luminaries, this assembly of crooks, carpetbaggers and outright criminals). Thankfully however, there is much more of a viable choice in the parliamentary election. That's where voters indeed can make a true difference, can choose and elect a new, good representative, instead of wavering between evils. Maybe that is the reason why on Jukwaa, the constituencies are hardly ever discussed in substance. Apparently, such a true and informed choice is not a thing that could occupy slave souls that yearn for liidaah-sheep and nothing else. Alexander AlexI doubt you are going to get me involved in any heckling exchanges with you on this. To be honest with you, it would be a waste of time for both parties. I would care less what you think. I am hoping the feeling is mutual. PMNo we don't have any digital versions of HAKI yet but when all these heka heka is over I am sure we will as we embark on the bigger journey to build a new nation. adongo
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 9, 2007 2:36:54 GMT 3
How about the cash MOU is working?
PNU releases rules for nominations
Thur, November 08, 2007 By NATION Reporter and Correspondents Last updated: 4 hours ago
Only political parties which are paid up members of the Party of National Unity will present parliamentary and civic candidates for nomination.
Political party leaders recognised by PNU will recommend the aspirants in writing and they must meet the minimum rules set out by the Electoral Commission of Kenya, according to the coalition¡¯s election rules released yesterday.
The parties will forward candidates nomination fees, ranging between Sh30,000 for parliamentary and Sh5,000, for civic aspirants.
The rules say that PNU elections board shall be charged with the process of elections and can appoint constituency nomination panels or returning officers whose members shall not be candidates or officials of the party.
Each sub-location shall have a polling station and voting shall be by secret ballot. Polling stations will be opened from 8am and closed at 3pm.
To vote, one will require the national identification, voter¡¯s and party membership cards. Meanwhile, a row has emerged over alleged misappropriation of funds meant as allowances for Muslim leaders who visited President Kibaki at Mombasa State Mouse on Monday.
Mombasa, Malindi and Likoni Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims (Supkem) representatives, led by national vice-chairman Sheikh Juma Ngao, told the Press that some politicians in the region were purporting to be representing Muslim leaders but were instead exploiting them.
¡°We were supposed to receive Sh5,000 each but we were given only Sh1,000,¡± said Mr Mohamed Ali Athman, chairman Mombasa branch.
Entered into pacts
Sheikh Ngao said he was instructing all Muslim leaders to stop their PNU campaigns until the matter was sorted out. Sheikh Salim Omar, Malindi Supkem branch chairman asked Muslims not to be misled by a clique of leaders who claimed to have entered into pacts with opposition leaders.
In Isiolo, President Kibaki¡¯s re-election campaign has come to a standstill following what Kibaki Tena lobby members claim is ¡®¡®lack of facilitation¡¯¡¯.
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Post by osirisisgod on Nov 9, 2007 3:38:17 GMT 3
Maniac My positions have always been very clear. I do not need to ghost write anything, Vitalis Oyudo has articles on various topics that are almost one year old now. I suppose I could also have used my Luo sounding name and people like you would have been shocked that anyone with a name starting in O should not be a slave to the master's whip. Disgusting.
Adongo, A good response. I know a lot more about your most admirable struggle than you would think. I know many people who were in the trenches in those years, and like I have said many times before, I consider myself a disciple of the Jaramogi's and on many many issues I think my politics are much closer to those you aspired to in those days than anything Kibaki espouses. But this faith of yours is something totally alien to me, in fact it is a parallel of the kind of maniacal adoration enjoyed by Matiba in the early 1990s. It is not based on reason but on slavish devotion. It certainly has nothing to do with any ideals, it is more about following the Dear Leader than anything else. As you have noted, Koigi and Karua were once in the same struggle as you are. I don't suppose you think it significant that they are not one of your number now? What of the humiliating road that Anyang' Nyong'o and James Orengo have had to travel before their knees gave in? Is it so hard to understand that some of us refuse to take that step?
I do not know why Jukwaa was founded, I have made that clear. What I know is what it has become. That much is clear to everyone, Jukwaa as presently constituted exists for one purpose only, the advancement of Raila Odinga. The immense hostility to anyone whose knee refuses to bend is most clear to even the blindest bat. To his immense credit, Oloo does occasionally rise to a higher purpose, Job attempts to bring up discussions on issues of substance, but on most days there's just a chorus of Raila is god on these pages, that is really what it comes down to, no? True there are differences of opinion on many other things, but the differences are quickly brushed aside when the Almighty Messiah, the deus ex machina speaks.
By the way, if Raila tomorrow pledged to give North Eastern Province away to Somalia, I am sure both you and the maniac would find a way to defend his decision. I am not supporting PNU or Kibaki, I am merely opposed to the madness in your ranks.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Nov 9, 2007 3:54:57 GMT 3
By the way, if Raila tomorrow pledged to give North Eastern Province away to Somalia, I am sure both you and the maniac would find a way to defend his decision. I am not supporting PNU or Kibaki, I am merely opposed to the madness in your ranks. Hey All knowing dood, Spare me the bullsh!t please. You are sure of nothing. You dont have any convictions, I have mine, and I know what I want unequivocally. If yours are in the 'politically trendy' middle of the road, I am here not there, and ipso facto, so I am superior, go get a high on that. I have a dream of where I would like to be, and where my family and people should be, ergo, I have made a resolute and determined decision that ODM it is. As for you, do whatever.
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Post by job on Nov 9, 2007 5:06:13 GMT 3
Nereah, I plead ignorance to your conviction(s).Since when did you abandon Jukwaa's progressive column?I beg to know because your postings which I reproduce below persuade me otherwise. Its called bait and switch. Lull your opponents into sleep, thinking they are with you, then thump them over the head. It gives them that veneer that they NON PARTISAN and "undecided". I for one was NOT fooled by these stupid infantile antics. Neither am I fooled by "Leftist masqueraders" WHO ARE ANTI ODM. Not only am I not fooled, I dont give a dammn if they, the "leftists" love the PNU crowd. This guy is increasingly bitter and virulent. Perhaps the inevitability of Rs victory is getting into his head!!. Ghost writting ODM bashing articles purported to be from his "cousin" with a Luo name! shoooo. He is not fooling me. If he isnt, then no one here is swallowing that sh!t either. Notice he started out as "sympathetic" to the change agenda embraced by ODM then slowly took an about turn, towards PNU. sheeeesh! bait and switch is all it is. I wont fall for it.
The Nile is flowing, change is coming. Either one is moving or they are stagnant. If you move even slowly ni sawa. PM, That's what I call spot-on or laser-pinned diagnosis! A green snake in grass will lull you to think it's part of the vegetation. By the way, there's relentless behind the scene unscrupulous and unprofessional activities going on in many sites masquarading as neutral & professional fora including; same writers posing with multiple handles, & others writing opinions then "passing" them over to friends to post them in choreographed gangism etc etc etc. A lot of childish and unethical bull crap going on that quickly drives you out of such gutters. You will quickly notice a relentless attempt to import such activities into JUKWAA. Nereah, I wish we had many more private sites, boards and newspapers making political endorsements, supporting either of the four presidential candidates,....Raila, Kibaki, Kalonzo or Muiru..rather than pretend not to take sides when reports, opinions, and editorials suggest quite obvious "endorsements". That does not contradict ethics and professionalism. What becomes stupid is the false proclamation of neutrality when in fact all writings suggest otherwise. The Nation & Standard are both currently supporting Kibaki (in my own view) while pretending to be neutral. I think Salim Lone and Strategic Research GP have said something about this today... nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=25&newsid=110195Am I surprised by those media houses? Not at all. I can link their motivation to either ownership or management. Like any other private groupware forum, JUKWAA has every right to make political endorsements, editorial views, and take position on any subject matter without being imprisoned by the so called "orphans". My senti mbili. Job
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Post by wakwitu on Nov 9, 2007 5:38:39 GMT 3
I am just curious: Those who do not think there are good candidates running this year – what is your alternative? Or would you sit this one out? How is that not the easy way out and a cop out?
I am still a closet Kalonzo supporter [do not let the pseudonym fool you though – I am not from there]. But after the Naivasha tiff & the nominations tantrum - I had had enough. I still have major misgivings about R, especially his history of non-democratic politics ex. the role he has played in past elections "imposing" sycophants and his relatives on constituencies.
Nevertheless, this time around the idea of ODM is bigger than R, as I see it. That is what attracts me. There is a chance of structured party politics that follows protocol – unlike KANU was under Moi. Also, more importantly, ODM is speaking to something I feel very passionately about - "Devolution of power”. I can not sit on the fence. My money has been going to ODM.
As for the fences sitters, beware of the splinters.
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Post by gakungu on Nov 9, 2007 8:54:29 GMT 3
OO,
The endorsement is timely. Barring a political earthquack, It is now increasingly self-evident that Raila Amolo Odinga is the country next CEO.
However, we must strive to ensure the reform agenda remains dorminant. Let us offer constructive criticism to ensure we build a better Kenya. We shall ruin ODM by false praise and build it by constructive criticism.
We must also not dismiss the likes of Kamale in this forum however offensive some of their propaganda might be. They keep us awake of the enormity of the task ahead of us.
God bless Kenya.
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Post by roughrider on Nov 9, 2007 9:52:05 GMT 3
Dear Onyango Oloo; I wish to support the position Jukwaa has taken. It is bold and progressive. It is an indication that Jukwaa was not built to be an idle talk shop, that it takes positions. This decision, in the final analysis was inevitable. The choices facing us are stark – those who want bold progressive change and those who want to maintain the status quo that is slowly sliding into retrogression of the great Nyayo error. As Jukwaa was making its position clear, Kenyans were listening with horror as Maina Kiai and the KNHCR detailed on national TV the gory extra-judicial executions of over 500 Kenyans in Ngong, Rongai and other places by the police. Residents terrified by police vehicles carrying suspects into the forests, midnight gunshots to heads at point blank range and body parts strewn in estates must be asking themselves whether this is the Kenya that freedom fighters like Dedan Kimathi spilt their blood for. Or whether we live in a jungle. Our own foreign minister admits, complete with a smile, that the government is behind this genocide. www.knchr.org/dmdocuments/Execution_Disappearance.pdfPray, have we suspended the rule of law in Kenya? It is with the benefit of hindsight that we now see the wisdom of ODM’s call for sanity in handling Mungiki. Indeed, incidents like these, and the rendition of our Muslims brothers that you referred to, have united Kenyans in opposing the status quo. We are not simply fighting an election; we are fighting to secure and protect our country. People come to Jukwaa and other online fora for different reasons – some to market their websites, saving their jeering and condescending ways for Jukwaa, others are bored office workers, housewives, students etc happy to pass time in virtual reality, others are simply perverts with twisted pornographic agendas – but, there are a precious few who are actually principled fighters for social justice and real change. The latter will recognise Jukwaa’s bold step for what it is; standing up to be counted in the continuing fight for true liberation of Kenya. A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything. It is only Raila Odinga who offers hope for a free and vibrant Kenya; with Raila we can sleep safe and not wonder when mamaluki, chinkororo, mungiki, michuki or the police will attack.
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Post by dubois on Nov 9, 2007 10:05:23 GMT 3
Oloo,
I am a bit confused, maybe you can help. Are you endorsing Raila on a personal capacity or as the administrator of Jukwaa? Surely you can't purport to speak for this forum because, as you said, Jukwaa is made up of many individuals of different political persuasions. A personal endorsement would have been quite effective instead of this bombastic headline. Or are you trying to catch someone's attention?
Dubois
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Post by aeichener on Nov 9, 2007 10:17:23 GMT 3
Pray, have we suspended the rule of law in Kenya? No. There never was one to begin with. Hmm... as to dubois' question, with all due respect that s/he deserves, may I say that I deem it a bit superfluous? The last question is merely rhetoric, and as to the previous ones, it is clear that this is a private political forum, and of course its owner can dedicate it however he wishes. That does not bereave you, me or anybody else of the chance to dissent and use the forum to voice a dissenting opinion, just as e.g. a forum on a PNU website could also tolerate diverging and critical opinions. No problem here. Alexander
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Nov 9, 2007 10:19:58 GMT 3
Dubois. I understand the frustration that Oloo's endorsement has visited on you and other anti-ODMers.But you don't have to be the so called Jukwaa orphans.I BEG YOU TO RECONSIDER YOUR STAND. ENDORSING RAILA IS THE FAD. I KNOW THAT RAILA WILL REWARD REFORMISTS AND PROGRESSIVES WHO STAND BY HIM IN THIS BATTLE. So please join the wining team. Who knows,you may be the Kenya's permanent representative to UN.
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Post by aeichener on Nov 9, 2007 10:27:43 GMT 3
Your cynical sarcasm is appreciated. It quite well describes the situation and the motivation of many.
A.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Nov 9, 2007 10:58:04 GMT 3
Ndugu Oloo,welcome back to Jukwaa after what is obviously a breath taking hiatus.You were surely missed. Now, grant me the privilege to fault your bold exposition(did I hear someone call it an edict?)that has set tongues wagging and fetishly so. The progressives are surely in cloud nine! With due respect to Ndugu Oloo, your endorsement of Raila has "orphaned" Jukwaa members who either support PNU or don't belong to any of the two camps.Lest I am mistaken, I am not suggesting that there ought to have been a consultation or in any way disclaimer to the endorsement but it surely ought to have taken cognizance to the sensibilities and persuasions of the diverse membership that now stands at 600 plus. All I am asking is a clarification on what the endorsement means to the Kamales,the Dubois, the eichners and of course liberals like yours truly. Nereah: Thanks for your feedback. During the 2005 Referendum JUKWAA came out clearly for the NO side-without locking out the discordant voices. We do not pretend to be completely non-partisan on this forum. Every publication in the world has an editorial position. During the American elections you will see the Washington Post, New York Times, Wall Street Journal come out clearly, in editorials penned by their senior staff clearly stating that they are backing this or that candidate. They do this knowing they have hundreds of thousands of readers who hold diametrically opposed opinions. In any case, and it is precisely those so called "orphans" who have harped on this- the few polls we have run on this forum have been overwhelmingly pro-Raila. What I am saying is that there are NO APOLOGIES to offer and NO RETRACTIONS to contemplate. In other words, Raila Tosha, Raila JuuGo, Agwambo Go! and words to that effect. Onyango Oloo JUKWAA Administrator Nairobi, Kenya
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Post by kamale on Nov 9, 2007 11:06:47 GMT 3
Oloo,
When you started Jukwaa, there was an attempt to portray the forum as non-partisan, but generally pro-Kenyan.
I am not sure what has changed, but I do not think you can use Jukwaa as a forum to trumpet an ethnic agenda. Jukwaa is nothing without its members and the fact that there are those members who are reviled by the mere thought of a Raila presidency, it would have been important for you to be sensitive to such members. That is something you have tried to trumpet in this forum that you are happy for both parties to be members of Jukwaa.
As you can imagine, I can only conclude that all the non-partisanship you have shown in the past was mere hypocrisy, and I think you should accept that you, like Orengo and other people who would have stood out as objective commentators have sold your soul to Raila.
That is a right we must grant you - but you must appreciate that you can only be speaking for yourself. In the meantime, those of us against a Raila presidency will continue to shout why we think he is a fraud on Kenyans.
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