An Imperialist-led NGO Coup in Kenya?

Oloo

I agree with you on your assertion that there is a very deliberate attempt to salvage one side of the NAK regime and put them in a position to contest for political power as they savage the already too disgraced MKM thieves.

I noted with interest that the Githongo dossier was accompanied by a piece from Prof. Makau Mutua describing himself as Githongo's legal and political adviser. I was intrigued by the political adviser part. Between you and me we know how contemptuous people like Mutua are towards progressive politics.

I was also curious about the vigour and relentless manner with which the "Nation" has pursued this matter starting with their "EXCLUSIVE" ex posse.

It is obvious somewhere within the ruling elites, a decision has been made to bury a section of the MKM to resurrect the other.

Now about the Kenyan Evo Morales and the Hugo Chavez of our continent, the thought occupied my thinking and reading over the weekend because the Toronto Weekend papers, specifically the right wing National Post has been doing a series about the changing face of mainstream politics in Central and South America. They were looking at Brazil, Venezuela, Uruguay, Argentina, Chile the upcoming elections in Peru, Mexico and even Nicaragua where Daniel Ortega is said to be making a comeback with the Sandinista Movement. They are shocked by the string of popular vote victories by leftist movements now in charge of immense economic giants in the region.

I think the Kenya and African scenario in general needs a very careful look by progressive political forces to see where things are going. There is no doubt in my mind that our people are yearning for real change not a recycling of the same corrupt elements.

What struck me most in what is going on the Americas is how hard and long these folks have worked with the grassroots. They refused to jump into ready made political solution bandwagons often propelled by one wing or the other of the same elites.

There is a documentary on Evo Morales and Bolivia which is quite telling. The amount of money the USA government and special interest groups over there poured to defeat Evo Morales is incredible. In fact Peter Cavile the Clinton era genius of political mobilization was personally in charge of the war against Evo Morales (and the Movement towards Socialism (MAS) which he leads)being paid big money with an army of consultants. They won at first, a fake victory if you will, and then their guy ended up being airlifted from Bolivia when mass protests rocked his government.

Anyhow I think you have introduced an important area of debate and discussion. I intend to say more later.

Adongo

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Posted by Onyango Oloo on 01-30-2006 07:44 AM:

An Imperialist-led NGO Coup in Kenya?

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Posted by Mossad on 01-30-2006 08:19 AM:

@ Oloo

I get your argument quite well and i beleive it's a dangerous road that many of us in kenya are following by not judging these foreigners well.
But i also think the blame should go to the likes of Kibaki who despite the revelations of corrutpion and public funds mismangement, he's chosen to do nothin about that. I think the west is taking that advantage of poor governance to fuel their ideaology and influence by giving us fake hope that they are trustworthy and can take care of our interests.
But come to think about it. Do you think that Ruto will get us to Damascus, Kamotho and the likes?? Were they not same pple defending moi and Kibaki sometimes back and now they are the becon of democracy that all kenyans are looking at to solve their problems. So i have reached a new conclusion and believe that, kenyans should suffer and suffer till the day they'll understand whta kind of pple the politicians are and start electing those who care about their interests. I think i got no more sympathies for idiots who can see the lies but opt not to learn.

Mossad.

Insightful essay Mr Oloo
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Do you think that the Kenya goverment is aware of this plot to stage a mass movement to overthrow it and thats why "mungiki" has been re activated to counter such a move?

I think you guys are overthinking
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: kenya.rcbowen.com/talk/index.cgi?action=Article&article=64433&start=1&limit=50
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: Do you think that the Kenya goverment is aware of this plot to stage a mass movement to overthrow it and thats why "mungiki" has been re activated to counter such a move?

You don't convince me because I've seen it & I've lived with it
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They come in all different shapes, sizes walks of life. Unsurprising an agnostic adheres to socialist principles. I wonder when she'll have a divine encounter to realise the folly of her soon to be no doubt mistakes. I've seen these things happen, no communist country began with ill intentions, they all started off with socialist love affairs. I prefer the man, he's a step ahead of her in reflecting the reality of its true colours.

I do agree NGOs may be time and time abused to accommodate more sinister intentions, but what's the worse they can do? Stop helping that's what. You may call it encouraging dependence, I call it mothering or fostering until the time comes when they don't need it anymore. Partners is what they aim for and if charities is one of subtle keys to accomplish this, amongst other things that is, then so be it. What you are suggesting might be true, but let me remind you Kenya is no benefit to anyone when it's in poverty. More productive as partners. Given what you’re saying is true, get rid of the corruption, honesty is what nurtures prosperity and harmony between partners. Let me just stop here for today.

[quote author=aeichener board=general thread=1138645618 post=1138659669]I for one would be very glad if Zimbabwe were subjected to an imperialist coup. Alas, it isn't likely that it ever will be. The Zimbabwean people suffer complacently, and the former "Rhodesians" sit on their faraway Nea Zealand, Australian or Canadian porches, sipping their whiskey, and dreaming of the bad old times of Ian Smith. Had the United Kingdom only been wiser *and* more brutal in the early and mid 1960s... but they were cowards and bowed to Smith and his evil gang. And 15 years of brutal oppression and apartheid and civil war ensued.

But what are you afraid of, OO, as to Kenya? That the conspiring military-industrial complex would impose James Shikwati, June Arunga as new proconsuls of Kenya (and I have my doubts about Makau Mutua, too)? But that would not be worse than it is now.

I agree with you that Kenya should *become* a sovereign state, which she isn't.

Alexander[/quote]



Alexander:

I did a double take when I read your remarks above.

For some of us, imperialism is not just a word to be bandied around- nor do we have the luxury for post-modernist riffs.

Things are bad enough in Kenya: 43 years after so called "independence" we are mired even more in neo-colonial dependence.

Believe it or not, it could get worse. We could move to a scenario where "our" elections are organized and supervised from Western capitals and our parlous economy even more beholden to the pin striped snake oil salesmen from the IMF and the World Bank. Maybe you look forward to the realization of such a recolonized dystopia- I don't.

As for your rather blithe inquiry about what exactly I am " afraid" of, I steer away from responding in kind except to say that when and if this project kicks in, it will NOT be the bit players you trot out who will be a the helm of things but other more menacing wildebeeste in human form.

Kenyans have the RIGHT to make their own hoary mistakes- like electing the corrupt cabal currently in power. Our long term political solutions must come from the depths of our own society- not NGO offices acting at the behest of diplomatic missions in the Kenyan capital.

Onyango Oloo
Bamako, Mali

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Onyango,
I do not understand what you are trying to say in the first paragraph below. Man can you translate this text into simple English language. Aligning complicated phrases (trying to be sophisticated?) makes your message difficult to comprehend.


You know, I feel like waxing poetic with lush, lyrical descriptions of how we jumped into two or three boats all three dozen of us who had travelled in a convoy from Bouznika to Rabat to do a symbolic crossing of the Atlantic at the conclusion of the Preparatory Assembly of the Maghreb Social Forum; I feel like recreating, in vivid verbal watercolour, the dour mahogany visage of the dejected twenty something Malian reading an Arab language newspaper in the Royal Air Maroc seat next to my own after he was deported back from Morocco yesterday on flight #523 back to Bamako; I want to revive the hearty laughter of the Algerians and the feisty freedom songs of the Tunisian militants at the dining hall at Complexe Rashid Moulaye, belting out anthems while anticipating the cous cous and chunky beef steaks; I even feel like evoking the heart stopping anxiety of the Moroccan youth reacting with mock horror every time a well-aimed cross landed in the experienced palms of the Libyan goal-keeper intent on fending off another Africa Cup of Nations soccer disaster; I have to bite my tongue to avoid going on a tangent about the dramatic Hamas landslide….


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Posted By: Onyango Oloo
Date Posted: 31/01/2006 at 1:05pm

Wuod Aketch:

I used the English language to compose the above. Familiarize yourself with that tongue.

Also, silly simpletons who try to trivialize issues are NOT part of my target audience.

Onyango Oloo
Bamako, Mali


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Posted By: mosaisi
Date Posted: 31/01/2006 at 6:11pm

This was an interesting one. What is happening in Kenya is that Britain and Germany are grooming their next set marionettes. Yes there is corruption in Kenya. What I find hypocritical is the double standard that the British and the German governments are applying. These 2 government are playing populist politics in Kenya as they pretend to be fighting corruption. Their war on corruption starts and ends in press rooms.

I see a calculated move by the 2 government to deny Kenyans true and sustainable change. These governments are fronting the same people who till yesterday were the supervisors of Nyayo house and who moved a number of mega corruption scandals.

Please don't mistake this for a defense of the current sacking of public silos -by the Animal Farm pigs- that is taking place in Kenya. The sage said, "vita vya panzi, neema ya kunguru." If there was a fight between 2 grasshoppers, the crow will the last "person" to help reach a solution. What the crow will do, it will quell the fire by pouring a bucket of fuel on it.

We are so stupid that anything that joins us in our dance is certified as a friend. When shove come to push, the friends are nowhere to be see.

Somaia, Kamani, Pattni, Sajad etc are treated as Royalty by the British government. Whenever they pull a big one, they board BA and land in London with no questions asked. If the Britons care about fighting corruption in Kenya, why don’t they use their laws to deny these fugitives entry? Why don't they freeze these thieves' accounts for engaging in fraud and money laundering?

I find it hypocritical when the German ambassador to care uses the press to rip the government into pieces for buying German made Mercedes. The HE Braun is not sent to help Kenya but to look for ways that his government can make some money from Kenya. When the government was purchasing the "Limos" from Germany, Mr. Braun's government was aware. Now when it suits his government’s interests, Braun has the courage to attack Kenya.

Kenyans should understand that most of the so-called Aid comes in form of goods and services and not cash. Don't be surprised to find out that the "Limos" were part of the German Aid to Kenya.

This reminds me of the scene in Pinocchio where he meets with the Cat and the Fox. The pair was plotting on how to take Pinocchio’s 5 pieces of gold while pretending to be his friend. So Pinocchio is told to plant his gold, which will grow into a money tree. The naïve Pinocchio thanks the two thieves and promises to share the returns from his money trees. The Cat and the Fox pretend to be angry and tell him that they work to make people rich and it not in their behavior to gain.

Anyway the Europeans know who they are dealing with. We are fools and we have to admit that. Anybody who does the same thing over and over and expects a different outcome has to be a fool. If you expect Kamotho and Ruto to lead Kenya to Caanan, you must be the biggest of them fools.

These powers are trying to reduce the number of options Kenyans have. With the help of the press, they have divided Kenyans into two parts. If one is not for the -, then he is with the Old Kanu. This is the same polarization that Kenyans were subjected to in 2002 that led to this joke we call a government.

If my memory is still Intact, then it is true that the Kanu and the then opposition came together to clear out any other force that was trying to crop up.

I remember Mageuzi being infiltrated and destroyed by the powers that be. I remember Mageuzi members being chased around the country by the likes of Moi, Railla. I remember the Keybakeys dismissing them as dreamers. Soon Mageuzi was hijacked for personal use and later crippled and dumped.

The same story is playing out in Kenya. When Kenyans wake up, they will find themselves in bed with the ogre.



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Posted By: aeichener
Date Posted: 31/01/2006 at 6:38pm

The donor community changes its spokespersons frequently. In the last year, it was mostly Sir Eward Clay, now it has been Bernd Braun a few times; the French ambassador also once spoke out (very mildly), and sometimes the Danish, Norwegian and Swedish envoys get their turn.

Usually, the statements are just loosely coordinated in rough outline; in exceptional circumstances, there are prior plenary meetings (last time in the Canadian embassy, some 25 or 26 participants) and plenary declarations. The position and reaction of the Western embassies via-à-vis the referendum was also closely coordinated.

As to your last sentence, I would say that the foreign powers will ultimately cut the toe of the ogre. And Wanjiku will crawl out.

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Date Posted: 31/01/2006 at 6:42pm


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This was an interesting one. What is happening in Kenya is that Britain and Germany are grooming their next set marionettes. Yes there is corruption in Kenya. What I find hypocritical is the double standard that the British and the German governments are applying. These 2 government are playing populist politics in Kenya as they pretend to be fighting corruption. Their war on corruption starts and ends in press rooms.

I see a calculated move by the 2 government to deny Kenyans true and sustainable change. These governments are fronting the same people who till yesterday were the supervisors of Nyayo house and who moved a number of mega corruption scandals.
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Interesting,
Maybe this "discovery" of corruption is all about Vodafone being allowed into Kenya or the sale of Telkom.
Who knows what it is about this time, our govts never tell us anyway.
Didn't the www.nationmedia.com/nationfm/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=22&TopicID=6546stormy waters of Nairobi settle after De La Rue got back the www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?premiumid=0&category_id=3&newsid=63727money printing contract that it had www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?premiumid=0&category_id=1&newsid=24825 lost before?
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Touché!

You should in no way waste your time by looking into the crystal ball, and speculate wildly about evil plans and conspiracies of The Demons of The Northern Hemisphere.
You should, instead, in all ways closely watch *what* the Western (resp. Northern) nation do in Kenya, and what the actual effects are. Feeding the paranoia parrot only makes this animal fatter and louder. Watching the foreign influences (and reporting on them) will enable you to distinguish good from bad.

Have a look at "the" (!!) agricultural sector and then please modify your silly sweeping statement.

Actually, "they" are caring much more (and doing much more) about the well-being of Kenya than most Kenyans do. Alas. And THAT is the sad thing.
As I always say: If the last Kenyan were sitting high up on the last branch of the country's very last remaining tree, she would busily saw it off.

According to the rightly famous definition of St. Augustine, Kenya is not a state at all.

Alexander

Oloo – Habari!
There is a very thin line between your fascinating estimation and its relevant application to Kenya. But isn’t Kenya inherently a conservative nation? Some even argue that Kenyans are extremely tribal as a result of its conservativeness. Therefore if one is conservative, then he/she is inherently against change (as per your presumption). But in Kenya's case today, this change is purposefully against a corrupt and inept administration.

Hear you, "Me thinks there is another internal NAK palace coup underway. Planned in cahoots with the Njenga Karumes and Joe Wanjuis to GUARANTEE the survival of the Mount Kenya Mafia."
I have not doubt here that Kibaki will do anything, and I mean anything including everything, just like Moi, to consolidate his presidency and stay in power. But one has to remember that Kibaki’s politics string from what he has "internalized" from his prototypes - the colonialists, Kenyatta and Moi. That is why he is will always be rightist and stuck-in-the-mud. Kibaki needs to survive politically and he sees no other way of doing it other than being president, period. More importantly, I sedately agree that the elderly MKM mob are animatedly and intensively in the act of "enlisting" GI Joes, poggies and colts to their boot camp. I don't think it has anything to do with "imperialism".

Let me be STONED by the frothing mobs in the public squares of the Kenyan digital demi-monde by withdrawing from the braying mobs egging the Githongos and Maina Kiais on, mistaking these pro-establishment figures for authentic and progressive change agents.
What is surely wrong with NGOs getting rid of Kibaki with regards to his theft? Aren't these Maina Kiais and Githongos representatives of Kenyan NGOs with Kenyan mandates and programmes for Kenyans. How then do you presume the Kenya Human Rights Commission for example, a government bureau to part of an "imperialist coup"? Besides, as a state, isn’t it more reliable to finance an NGO than to have the state run such affairs which you’ll be quick to call espionage (in this case/argument)? NGOs are merely what they are – non governmental organizations, not government funded agencies! In any case, if these "imperialist NGOs" were to assist in getting Kibaki out, then I'm down with that. I heard a white man who was maddened and inflamed by Bush's plan on Social Security (as per his State of the Union address in Congress this week), say that he'd rather be the man that bought the Brooklyn Bridge than the man that sold it. I share his sentiments with regards to Kibaki. He needs to go.

With all due respect Oloo, I just can’t smell the rat with wananchi calling for Kibaki’s resignation. Surely, that doesn’t even come close to a conspiracy!

Adongo, habari!
Do you serious mean to imply here that the Anglo Leasing dossier by Githongo was unnecessary? And what part of the MKM looks righteous in anyone’s eyes today? Or rather, what part of DP (remember that MKM = DP) for that matter? Since every Kenyan knows what DP means, do you really presume that anybody anywhere in Kenya today would willingly support a new DP offshoot? Those sleazeballs are scuzzy bwana.

With regards to Makau Mutua and his slogans, me thinks he is just trying play a part in history…….that’s what them opportunists and double-dealers have always done! That is purely hooey!

Maina.

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Kathure,

Let me take this opportunity to wellcome your debut of an impressive and thought stimulating contribution to this forum! I am glad to note lately that many others and that icludes your goodself, have began to join us actively in debating sensibly and seriously about our mother nation. This is how as it should be! A flurry of engagement of our 'collective' minds towards guiding ourselves out of our common and perennial enemies.

But I should also respond at this juncture to your concerns on miguna's as well as my own use of the term 'gentlemen' in some of our posts as you allege above. Other issues contained in your peice also do raise some very critical points which deserve well thoughtout responses and for that I shall take my time.

You see, I am sure that you can appreciate or perhaps imagine with a probality, that miguna and I are fairly capable of being aware of the existence of the 'other sexes', who critically also form important and significant segment of our community. That is to say, for either of us to use the term 'gentlemen', has to have been deliberately intended to address specific target audience! And I should also add with that, when a specific 'target audience' has been addressed, then it should only mean that there is contained in that particular message, some specific issue/s which have been addressed and called for attention of some particular people for some particular reason/s, who have been acknowledged using that particular term.

But only in this case, the particular people addressed ARE NOT the 'gentlemen' as a collective term of the 'sexes' or gender which excludes the other, rather the term used here and in those particular cases is only meant to address a specific number of known individuals, who had appeared to participate to particular issues raised, in some particular and specific posts, and that is why the term 'gentlemen' was there used.

Just to clarify further, the reason as to why the term 'gentlemen' was used, is because as miguna correctly observed, that "there was yet to be 'seen' any 'woman contributor' in the debates so far, that one may be included in that 'list of addressees', hence his specific comment on the same! But now I can gladly see that we have at least one who has declared well her presence in the list of Jukwaa contributors, and I say you are most wellcome dada, but many more should be encourage to get their voices heard and we look forward to that.

You see, that is not to say that either of us deliberately chose to 'ignore' the critical presense of 'women readers'. In fact I am pleased to freely declare that my awareness and in deed my clear and unumbigous acknowledgement of the 'women's presense' can be seen in some of my various other posts, specifically when the particular subject was meant to address my audience as a whole', and I am yet to notice anything on the contrary as far as miguna can be seen as well.

Thanks for your effort anyway.

P.S: miguna, my apologies for taking liberty in your 'defence' in this one if I am wrong.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I must first take this chance to welcome on-board, Kathure and acknowledge her excellent contribution. It is indeed a fault to always assume that only gentlemen read from Jukwaa,.......and as Kathure pointed,....ladies may not write a lot here but they do certainly read!

These threads have somehow got interwoven,....but I do appreciate the fact that Oloo's fears of an Imperialist initiated imposition of some NGO impressarios, into the Kenyan leadership may not be unfounded.

It is worthy of all Kenyans to appreciate any warnings or caution,.....especially on matters touching on governance & by extension, their lives.

I am personally not convinced by some of the latter-day NGO loud mouths,... their motives, intentions & relationships with Foreign governments. Some have been recently showered with Foreign Awards and Publicity stunts that seem suspicious,.........that is stunts that only appear to serve as "propping up" or "selling to the public" platforms.

Some have taken prominence in Media coverage(s) & photo-ops that may not be genuinely in tandem with the real cause of the people.

We know that many lived in those Foreign countries before, and still have deep ties there. Some of their backers & colleagues still remain in such countries,......I personally know quite a number of them, some who lived in Washington DC, New-York, & London.

However,....I chose to re-focus my debate on the current Corrupt government of Mwai Kibaki,......and precisely on earlier remarks I made in response to Onyango Oloo's threads.

My line of thinking is premised on the fact that while we appreciate what Oloo himself calls "Quasi- paranoid cautionary tales",......which are by the way, well deserved & warranted warnings,.....it must not shift our attention & eyes, away from the ball,,......that is the Anglo-Fleecing government of Kibaki.

My earlier observation was primarily based on the fact that there was not only a contradiction in Oloo's estimation,...but also questionable timing.

I argued that there was no justification for taking the position that ,......"Since Imperialists want to oust Kibaki and replace him with their puppets,....we should therefore (instead) DEFEND Kibaki's thieving regime"

I believe we can oust Kibaki's regime as Kenyan people, and replace him with another regime, not necessarily installed by imperialists.

Without duplicating my sentiments,.....I noted therefore, that there was a contradiction with regard to two comments by Oloo;

"Kibaki must go" and "The time to defend the Kibaki regime is now"

There was also a rather swift change of thread title from,..."The time to defend Kibaki regime is now",..to something like " Another look at the Anglo-Leasing Brouhaha",.....

I deliberastely chose to address these issues in this thread because there has been a lot of interwoven debate that squarely originates from this particular thread.

I previously acknowledged the fact that there are indeed many rightful battles that Kenyans must fight,...... some of which are; Ousting the Corrupt & inept regime of Kibaki, achieving justice and restitution on Financial scandals ( Anglo-Leasing, Goldenberg, et al), resisting Imperialist domination, improving governance, new Katiba,.......... and generally promoting the lives of Kenyans among other things.

I stressed the fact that fighting all these battles at the same time may not be the best thing for us,..if at all we are to achieve success in any one of them.

Timing is important!,.......and in my opinion,.....I noted that,.....this is the time for Kenyans to deal with the Anglo-Leasing battle fully and comprehensively,........ then move on to the other battles including Goldenberg, Katiba, anti-Imperialism etc.

Jumbling up all the battles at the same time may not offer any favourable outcome in any of the fronts,......

Ngunyi & other spin-masters of Kibaki know precisely that,......hence their convenient shifting of public attention to multiple "battles",.....to dilute the overall impact & likelihood that any single front can be achieved.

Meanwhile opportunists ready to work with Imperialists are also strategically "imposing" themselves at the battle front,.....in this Kenyan Anti-Corruption war,......in stage managed fashion,......in readiness to con the masses yet again, which we have noted,.......thanks to Oloo & others.

Kibaki knows all these,...and is determined to divert our attention further and further away from the Anglo-leasing matter.

As Miguna said on his new thread,.....the Goldenberg scam is one such diversionary bait the government has placed to the public.

If we chose to focus on Oloo's anti-Imperialism battle, rather than just treat it as a caution,....then this will be yet another such public diversion,....in my opinion.

So all I'm saying is that let's focus on one battle at at time,.........and instead say, ......for instance, that Oloo's original thread of debate, should read,....." The time to oust the Kibaki regime is now"

We can then focus later, on Goldenberg, the Katiba and resisting an imposition of the Kiais, Makau Mutuas,....... etc upon us by the West.

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Job

For those who have wondered, here is a... well, it's not really a paraphrase, more of a parallel. But it's a good part of what Oloo meant, but misconveyed by over-spicing it with a rotten fish sauce of aged anti-imperialism ;-).
I quote Emmo from the Nation Forum; and I agree with him plainly:

"You are a bunch of imbeciles. If Kenya's most educated cannot see through the Uhuru charade who will. In 5 years we will have a new Anglo-Leasing Goldenburg type scam and act shocked that Uhuru could betray us thus.

Kibbaki and his government have been unable to keep their hands of the cookies expressly because this is how they got wealthy in the first place. Their's was not toil and sweat and neither is Uhuru's,or Railla's wealth clean for that matter. Their civil servants will know this,as will their ministers and aides. If it was good enough for the President once, it must be good enough for them today.

I am especially disturbed by the fact that Kenyans are unwilling to learn from the mistakes of just three years ago.If Uhuru and Railla want to show us they are parted from their thieving ways,let's see people undertaking to return their families illgotten wealth to Wanjiku. "

Source: www.nationmedia.com/nationfm/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=22&TopicID=6671&PagePosition=1

Pretty brilliant, this lastly quoted piece of yours, Roughrider. Pretty brilliant. Thank you for having saved it from the stinking morass that is Mashada, and having brought it to our attention again. I for one liked many bits of it.

Alexander

roughrider,
You have a brilliant mind. I was actually working on write up that I was going to post here but your analysis is wonderfully appropriate. I agree with you kabisa! However, it is my opnion that developmental equation is distinctly split into four (4) quaters; the fourth being economic factors themselves. Otherwise, you have handsomely particularized this whole obscuration.

Maina.

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