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Post by tnk on Jun 1, 2010 0:21:34 GMT 3
We have completely run out of these characteristics when dealing with Treasury The most recent example can be found here www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000010632&cid=4&ttl=Confusion%20thickens%20over%20CoE,%20Treasury%20funds%20row There is simply no one single bit of information that can successfully be traced from source/origin to final destination on any matter that deals with govt cash/finances. Many major projects have been initiated only to be followed by reports of funds withheld, inconsistencies in amounts "disbursed by Treasury" vs amounts received by the project team. Further there is always significant discrepancies in side monies spent. The projects so far carried out in the media demonstrating such disparities include funding for Mau rehab, CoE, IDPs, Min of Education FPE, just to name a few. In fact it may be easier to try and find where there was no discrepancy There is something very evil cooking behind the scenes at Treasury and I fear that Kenyans are being taken for a ride by the folks over at Treasury. It also looks like the suspended PS has quietly been ushered back in. We need a forensic audit of Treasury covering the current decade 2000 to 2010. I bet that will generate even more heat than Kiplagat and his team. But who am i kidding maybe Ringera or Gicheru will be appointed to head such an audit. |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 1, 2010 1:30:28 GMT 3
tnk,
This is just one more example that the Kenyan Treasury is a den of thieves and they don't even do a good job at stealing.
Uhuru and his cohorts now claim they used Kshs 230 million to print the Draft. We still don't even know how many copies they printed and how much they paid per copy. As we know the government printer is a cash how for the thieves in government. Now the CoE is saying they had deals to print each copy for Kshs 27.00. Uhuru and his thieves purportedly paid Kshs 180.00 per copy.
I can bet my mom's last goat (again) that Uhuru did not spend Kshs 230 million to print anything. This is just robbery and sabotage. Uhuru first claimed that he had given all the money budgeted to the CoE. Now he admits he only released Kshs 100 million and that the rest was spent at the government printers. Rubbish.
Someone is trying to fool Kenyans. Where are the two principals to address this?. At the end of the day civic education is not going to go anywhere. The same thing happened in 2005. People grabbed money and ran. It was the politicians who shaped the debate. That will be the same this time around but we need to know where the money is. For all I care they can cancel the so called civic education and just distribute the copies of the Draft.
adongo
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Post by tnk on Jun 1, 2010 1:52:35 GMT 3
adongo
add to that the ping-pong game that is the FPE funds. Headteachers are sending kids back home, and teachers bodies "begging" to be allowed to charge some fees so that at least students can have opportunity to learn rather than the fraud perpetuated of "free education"
then there was the kazi kwa vijana.
all this boils down to one thing, the govt is overcommitted but just too darned obstinate to admit it. never mind the many sinkholes for siphoning of the little cash, and because of that they do not have realistic budgetary figures. budgets far exceed revenues (as always, no news there). there are no new ways to create wealth and/or opportunities because duh! the gatekeepers themselves bankrupt of ideas, but cannot attempt to let go governance structures and expose them for what they are, frauds!
and in the meantime we are headed to nowhere, very fast.
and here is the best news. ask any kenyan what they think development is, a few will scratch their heads, but i can assure you 60% will point at a road. that is the much most kenyans associate with development. and right on cue, there is a 12 lane highway to Thika. (development)
to show no development, you will be shown a potholed road, or other poorly maintained road.
build a road to your house, church, mosque, whatever, you are "development oriented". Aaaargggghh. We are so 16th century
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point of note
treasury has become the most efficient conveyor belt for siphoning of state, parastatal and any other public sector funds - check out the thread by phil on the fraud that was Telkom privatisation
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 1, 2010 2:41:08 GMT 3
tnk,Check this out. www.nation.co.ke/News/National%20alert%20over%20poison%20maize%20/-/1056/929736/-/144skwwz/-/index.htmlThis is the most bizarre press conference of all time. The minister of agriculture Dr. Sally Kosgei is holding a press conference at the OP. What happened to Kilimo House. OK so they had a food security meeting. Then somehow Uhuru has Kshs 3 billion to buy sick maize which I suppose they are going to dump somewhere or even resell. Saitoti is in there I don't know for what. And the usual suspects from the State House mafia are in place to witness the event. I mean this makes no sense. They have exactly 2.3 million bags of this sick maize all over the place. They know the exact number of bags. It is a mystery to me how the god the exact number of bags. They are allegedly from ruined maize from Kenyan farmers already all over the market. So who is the government going to buy the maize from? From the farmers or traders? How did they determine the value. And more importantly when was the budget set up and by who? This looks like a big scum in the making. adongo
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 1, 2010 3:28:03 GMT 3
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Post by tnk on Jun 1, 2010 6:14:09 GMT 3
tnk,Check this out. www.nation.co.ke/News/National%20alert%20over%20poison%20maize%20/-/1056/929736/-/144skwwz/-/index.htmlThis is the most bizarre press conference of all time. The minister of agriculture Dr. Sally Kosgei is holding a press conference at the OP. What happened to Kilimo House. OK so they had a food security meeting. Then somehow Uhuru has Kshs 3 billion to buy sick maize which I suppose they are going to dump somewhere or even resell. Saitoti is in there I don't know for what. And the usual suspects from the State House mafia are in place to witness the event. I mean this makes no sense. They have exactly 2.3 million bags of this sick maize all over the place. They know the exact number of bags. It is a mystery to me how the god the exact number of bags. They are allegedly from ruined maize from Kenyan farmers already all over the market. So who is the government going to buy the maize from? From the farmers or traders? How did they determine the value. And more importantly when was the budget set up and by who? This looks like a big scum in the making. adongo well said adongo treasury books/accounts need to be "emptied" and some cash/assets needs to be designated as "disposed off" and some minions are working overtime to ensure these get disposed off before the next budget cycle. problem is, it just ain't gonna happen. times have changed. we shall yet surprise these people, lets bide our time. we need and will have people that are accountable to public systems. time for the political outlaw or "gunhand" is long gone |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jun 1, 2010 7:23:17 GMT 3
Den of thieves it is, the ministry of Finance
There is a reason the mafiya from mt Kenya wont let any one who is non Gema near that Ministry.
Just look at the pic with jomo jnr in it.
Look at those big greedy wide open arrogant eyes.
Just how much of our money must this guy jomo jnr and his family pilfer?
When will their big stomach say 'No Mas'?
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Post by emkei on Jun 1, 2010 7:42:29 GMT 3
TNK and other Jukwaa whiners,
If 10 million copies are printed at 27 shillings, the total will be 270 million KShs.
The registered voters are around 15 million Kenyans.
230/15=15 bob
If uhuru printed 15 million copies for each registered voter, then he paid 15 bob per copy.
If he printed 10 million copies, then he paid 23 bob per copy.
Now if he printed 15 million copies at the alleged 180 KShs, then he paid 15x180 = 2.7 billion Kshs.
I just thought i simplify these figures for some folks. I know not all of us
scored highly in mathematics.
Emkei
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 1, 2010 8:06:05 GMT 3
TNK and other Jukwaa whiners, If 10 million copies are printed at 27 shillings, the total will be 270 million KShs. The registered voters are around 15 million Kenyans. 230/15=15 bob If uhuru printed 15 million copies for each registered voter, then he paid 15 bob per copy. If he printed 10 million copies, then he paid 23 bob per copy. Now if he printed 15 million copies at the alleged 180 KShs, then he paid 15x180 = 2.7 billion Kshs. I just thought i simplify these figures for some folks. I know not all of us scored highly in mathematics. Emkei Read the stories first. In basic book keeping, which even a clerk in grocery shop knows when you account for money spent you state the amount of units you bought or sold and give the price per unit. The rest can be done by a small calculator. You don't tell your boss, in this case the tax payer, that you spent 100 million and nobody knows what you bought. That is how thieves and crooks work. Secondly the CoE doesn't seem to have all these 15 million or so copies you claim Uhuru paid for. Where are they? Did Uhuru distribute them during night meetings? He is supposed to hand them over the CoE which is the body charged with the responsibility to distribute them. Why the heck would the CoE be printing their own copies if Uhuru already has given them the copies. Third the CoE is saying they had a printing arrangement for Kshs 27 a copy while Uhuru is the one with the Kshs 180.00 a copy. Those are the facts as we know them. Stick to those and try a better spin. Good luck. |
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Post by tnk on Jun 1, 2010 10:32:06 GMT 3
TNK and other Jukwaa whiners, If 10 million copies are printed at 27 shillings, the total will be 270 million KShs. The registered voters are around 15 million Kenyans. 230/15=15 bob If uhuru printed 15 million copies for each registered voter, then he paid 15 bob per copy. If he printed 10 million copies, then he paid 23 bob per copy. Now if he printed 15 million copies at the alleged 180 KShs, then he paid 15x180 = 2.7 billion Kshs. I just thought i simplify these figures for some folks. I know not all of us scored highly in mathematics. Emkei you are one strange guy in that article the figures/numbers mentioned are as follows - CoE was expecting 6m prints from the govt/govt printers, but they have been alerted of 1m copies available, presenting a shortfall of 5m - CoE has been working with 5m prints from other donors - uhuru confirmed treasury disbursed 100m for civic ed and 230m to the govt printer - there are queries on documents indicating treasury paid out to govt press 400m charging or attributing the expense to CoE - CoE contend that the budget of 330m outstanding (from treasury) includes prints and civic ed, monies which they have not yet received your numbers of 10m and 15m are irrelevant and based on if if if if |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jun 1, 2010 22:33:52 GMT 3
The German Pres resigns for stating the brutal honest truth,
why the Germans (and of course the US and its "allies") are committing troops in Af-gan and Mid east and globally
".....A country of our size, with its focus on exports and thus reliance on foreign trade, must be aware that ... military deployments are necessary in an emergency to protect our interests -- for example when it comes to trade routes, for example when it comes to preventing regional instabilities that could negatively influence our trade, jobs and incomes," Köhler (The President) said.
then we have fncking mafiya bastads like jomo jnr and ruto and the rest of the bunch, who lie steal and kill and maim with impunity and yet have no conscience.
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Post by kamalet on Jun 2, 2010 7:33:57 GMT 3
Yup..if you are aliaR....you should resign ;D
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Post by tnk on Jun 2, 2010 7:48:19 GMT 3
Yup..if you are aliaR....you should resign ;D good one labda huyo mwenzake aKibaki nyumbani |
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Post by tnk on Jun 3, 2010 0:23:26 GMT 3
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Post by phil on Jun 3, 2010 17:27:56 GMT 3
Not so fast tnk, I think you should read this first. Is it possible government has intelligence showing that certain journalists or editors have been compromised by the NO campaigners? Dr. Mutua's past record does not help him and even this short statement does not disprove anything in the Nation report, which incidentally goes as far as quoting and naming police officers involved in the investigations. So we must all wonder who these police officers work for if not government that Mutua talks on behalf of. 'The government will soon arrest' is not good enough. The government should arrest immediately!
GOVERNMENT CLARIFIES NEWS REPORT APPEARING IN DAILY NATION
The Government has clarified reports appearing in the Daily Nation today that a former provincial commissioner and 22 district officers are responsible for loss of KSh500 million for resettlement of internally displaced persons.
The government has described the news report appearing on the front page of the newspaper as “perplexing” and that government is not aware of any officers involved in the racket. The news story had claimed that a number of government officials had recorded statements with detectives from the Criminal Investigations Department (CID). Government Spokesperson Dr. Alfred Mutua has refuted the claims as “false and malicious.”
Dr. Mutua also said that the government will not tolerate cheap, negative propaganda being peddled by certain politicians bent of swaying the vote on the proposed constitution. “The government will soon arrest anyone keen on preaching violence and disunity for selfish ends,” said Dr. Mutua.
Meanwhile, the government intends to launch an information disseminations programme across the country to educate citizens on road safety. The launch of the programme, the government says will drastically reduce cases of road accidents in the country.
Office of Public Communications
Thursday, June 03, 2010
Published by:
Office of Government Spokesperson
KICC Building, 3rd Floor
8 Harambee Avenue
P.O.Box 45617-00100
Nairobi - Kenya
Tel: +254-020-2240488
+254-020-2223521
Fax: +254-020-240600
Email: comms@comms.go.ke
SMS (Celtel/Safaricom): 2888 |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 3, 2010 18:33:03 GMT 3
Not so fast tnk, I think you should read this first. Is it possible government has intelligence showing that certain journalists or editors have been compromised by the NO campaigners? Dr. Mutua's past record does not help him and even this short statement does not disprove anything in the Nation report, which incidentally goes as far as quoting and naming police officers involved in the investigations. So we must all wonder who these police officers work for if not government that Mutua talks on behalf of. 'The government will soon arrest' is not good enough. The government should arrest immediately!
GOVERNMENT CLARIFIES NEWS REPORT APPEARING IN DAILY NATION
The Government has clarified reports appearing in the Daily Nation today that a former provincial commissioner and 22 district officers are responsible for loss of KSh500 million for resettlement of internally displaced persons.
The government has described the news report appearing on the front page of the newspaper as “perplexing” and that government is not aware of any officers involved in the racket. The news story had claimed that a number of government officials had recorded statements with detectives from the Criminal Investigations Department (CID). Government Spokesperson Dr. Alfred Mutua has refuted the claims as “false and malicious.”
Dr. Mutua also said that the government will not tolerate cheap, negative propaganda being peddled by certain politicians bent of swaying the vote on the proposed constitution. “The government will soon arrest anyone keen on preaching violence and disunity for selfish ends,” said Dr. Mutua.
Meanwhile, the government intends to launch an information disseminations programme across the country to educate citizens on road safety. The launch of the programme, the government says will drastically reduce cases of road accidents in the country.
Office of Public Communications
Thursday, June 03, 2010
Published by:
Office of Government Spokesperson
KICC Building, 3rd Floor
8 Harambee Avenue
P.O.Box 45617-00100
Nairobi - Kenya
Tel: +254-020-2240488
+254-020-2223521
Fax: +254-020-240600
Email: comms@comms.go.ke
SMS (Celtel/Safaricom): 2888 What the heck is Mutua talking about? How does charging DC's and others with theft of IDP money has to do with the Proposed Constitution? If some people stole IDP money and are being questioned or have been arrested it is not the business of Mutua. He is Kibaki's spokesman (very disgraced in the past for lying everyday) and he does not speak for the AG's office nor does he speak for KACC. He should shut up and stick to his job description. And then Mutua talks about arresting some people preaching violence. What does that have to do with the alleged arrests? This is a very suspicious statement to say the very least. adongo |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 3, 2010 18:35:50 GMT 3
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Post by phil on Jun 3, 2010 19:27:02 GMT 3
Adongo,
Raila is hiding something.
There was a serious disconnect between the CoE and the Treasury. Uhuru was very dismissive at the KKK YES rally last weekend. Even the normally quiet Nzamba Kitonga used some strong words against the Treasury.
I think it is a clever piece of damage control by Raila. What matters is the civic education is driven forward, devoid of all these sideshows.
What are the legal implications of CoE continuing with civic education after the deadline, because obviously that is where we are headed!
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jun 3, 2010 20:39:26 GMT 3
Adongo, There was a serious disconnect between the CoE and the Treasury. Uhuru was very dismissive at the KKK YES rally last weekend. Even the normally quiet Nzamba Kitonga used some strong words against the Treasury.! Was jomo jnr there in that rally, ama he just bad mouthed it? |
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 3, 2010 20:42:13 GMT 3
Adongo, Raila is hiding something. There was a serious disconnect between the CoE and the Treasury. Uhuru was very dismissive at the KKK YES rally last weekend. Even the normally quiet Nzamba Kitonga used some strong words against the Treasury. I think it is a clever piece of damage control by Raila. What matters is the civic education is driven forward, devoid of all these sideshows. What are the legal implications of CoE continuing with civic education after the deadline, because obviously that is where we are headed! If Raila came out and blasted Uhuru for dithering with the civic education funds it would have looked very bad. That is the price you have to pay sometimes when you take the role of a statesman. You can't kick people in the teeth unless things are completely out of hand. You fix things very quickly and let the citizens judge your actions by their results. I don't think they can extend civic education. The Amendment Act does not allow it. But the CoE should use this money to carry out intensive work in the one week remaining but more importantly they should produce material for education that will last long after they are gone. They should produce a one page card printed back to be back, one side English, the other side Swahili and just take the Key benefits and the Key pieces of disinformation and explain such things in very simple terms. For example there is the lie that Kenya will automatically endorse all international conventions without ratification by parliament. It is a naked lie but it is being used to insinuate Kenya will impose gay and lesbian activities. That abortion services will be sold in the kiosk next door etc. These are dangerous falsehoods and they should be exposed. Kshs 553 million is a lot of money. Kenyans must demand value for the money and full accountability from CoE after they finish their work. adongo |
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Post by tnk on Jun 3, 2010 22:42:59 GMT 3
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Post by tnk on Jun 3, 2010 22:53:45 GMT 3
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Post by mank on Jun 5, 2010 9:44:41 GMT 3
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Post by tnk on Jun 9, 2010 7:21:05 GMT 3
this roads minister simply cannot be sober
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jun 10, 2010 20:54:23 GMT 3
this roads minister simply cannot be sober Where has the money gone to? And yet the thief jomo jnr will allocate more money to roads? Dang! |
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