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Onyango Oloo <onyango.oloo@gmail.com> Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 12:15 PM
Odhiambo T. Oketch:
New Year's greetings to you and all the other members of this mailing list.
You and I are friends going back for some time now.
First of all, I must go on the record to state that I am absolutely shocked at the dismissive, contemptuous put down on of contributor Mohammed Warsama.
What his AGE got to do with it? Do you subscribe to the Uhuruto claptrap about generational "wisdom"? I sincerely hope not. I urge you to desist from unnecessary ad hominem attacks.
Secondly, as a general observation, it is ironic to track the evolution of this discussion list. If I remember correctly, Otieno Sungu among others took the initiative to set up to, among other things critically engage each other on the creeping undemocratic process of IMPOSING hand picked leaders- with Dr. Oburu Odinga being a primary focus- on the voters of Siaya County. As a son of Gem who actually belongs to the leadership of a party-SDP- which is not part of ODM or even CORD, I was aghast at the supercilious assumption of some mandarins and politicians to deign to zone out Siaya County vis a vis the various election positions. I think PARTLY as a result of our efforts, Dr. Odinga was forced to withdraw from the Siaya senatorial contest- ostensibly staring the impending humiliation of a defeat at the ballot box. But this was quickly followed by Jakoyo-Orengo- Oburu fangled plot to impose a hand picked candidate for Governor. Many of the aspirants for that postions like William Oduol, and I believe, Gideon Ochanda are actually part of this list.
Thirdly I was slightly taken aback when you posted a report, accompanied by a photograph of you meeting and endorsing Dr. Oburu Odinga right on this forum where I had assumed was set up in SOLIDARITY with the democratic aspirations of those of us who claim Siaya County as one of the many places we call home (I am a registered voter in Embakasi East constituency, Nairobi County). That being said, it is YOUR DEMOCRATIC RIGHT to campaign for, and even vote for Dr. Oburu Odinga for any position, just as it his right to canvass for voters and popularize his campaign in any quarter, including this forum. I also do not begrudge James Orengo, who I consider a political friend and distant comrade from our days together at the SDP a similar right. Even though I am in the SDP and we have a candidate in Gem, I welcomed the news from my younger brother that Jakoyo Midiwo was at our rural home in Luanda Dudi less than a week ago to seek our extended family's endorsement. That is what democracy is all about.
But let us stay focused on the impetus driving this forum and the reason why some of us continue to log in every day to follow the discussions even if we sometimes prefer to be lurkers:
The need to ensure the ghastly mistakes of 2007 with the empty headed and infantile notions of the so called " three piece suit" guaranteed the people of Siaya and Nyanza as a whole were left with a gaggle of empty suits in ODM garb who were so tongue tied so that during their entire five year stint in the National Assembly at least half a dozen of them managed the rare feat of NOT delivering even their maiden speeches in parliament! We have the 2010 Constitution and if we are SERIOUS about implementing it and jump starting reforms and democracy in Siaya County we must remain tenaciously vigilant about ensuring that the litmus test for democracy, accountability and good governance is a lived reality rather than threadbare rhetoric devoid of content. We must curb the tendency to spit out the inner sycophant in these debates and discussions. I must say, as an aside, that one of the parts of the constitution that I most cherish, is the declaration, right at the outset, that Kenya is a MULTI-PARTY DEMOCRATIC STATE. If this holds true, then what do you place this nonsense of ONE PARTY, ODM abrogating itself the "duty" of choosing representatives for the people of Siaya County which has produced some of the fiercest and most militant proponents of progressive change.
I could say more, but let me curtail my wagging tongue for now.
Onyango Oloo
Secretary for Ideology and Member of the Central Committee
Social Democratic Party of Kenya
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maurice oduor <mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca> Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:10 AM
Oloo,
I believe you are speaking here in defence of Mohamed Warsama because you have not followed his postings on blogs at all. That man hates Luos with a passion that I've never seen anywhere before. Not a day goes by that he does not post some anti-Luo article in at least a few forums.
Courage,
Oduor Maurice Wod Plista Ny'Alego Gang
From: Onyango Oloo <onyango.oloo@gmail.com>
Re: SIAYA MUST RESIST ANY ATTEMPTS BY ODM TO IMPOSE OBURU AS GOVERNOR
22 messages
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Andiwo Obondoh <andiwoto@gmail.com> Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:35 PM
Dear comrades, residents and friends of Siaya;
I hope you have been following the developments in the past one to two weeks which culmiinated into the most unpopular Orengo and Oburu deal, which was negotiated by non other than ODM Secretary General, Prof Anyang Nyong'o.
Pushing Oburu to step down for Orengo and instead join the Governor's race is a mockery of democracy and travesty of Justice, which must not be allowed to hold. If Oburu has decided to step down for Orengo, he does not have to run for Governor, let him look for something else to do, as we have better and stronger candidates led Gedion Ochanda and William Oduol.
The best Oburu can do is to join the Raila's presidential campaign and help us capture the presidency, then later we can give him some Board to chair if he is not ready to retire yet.
All of us must join hands to campaign against Oburu's candidature, and anybody asking why should ask any resident of Bondo Constituency about his appalling development record and graft-ridden CDF management over the past 20 years. Bondo has become more miserable than Oburu inehrited it from Jaramogi 20 years ago.
We should not take this bad experience to the New County Govt.
Let us join hands to ensure that the will of the people is not subverted in Siaya.
Andiwo
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Isaac Agina Rashid <iagina@yahoo.com> wrote:
Halo All,
I agree 101% with what Otieno Sungu is saying. Let us embrace technology and equip our women and men with agricultural skills. It is unacceptable that we cannot even supply eggs to the hotels around Kisumu, Siaya, Migori and any other highly populated town in Nyanza. They all get their eggs from outside the counties. Please tell me that eggs need rainfall!!!!! On the other hand, why don't we have functioning cooperatives? I visited the ministry of cooperatives office in Kisumu and was amazed that of ALL the purported cooperatives, only 4 are active. What has happened? Why can't we have initiatives that can propel the youth into economic development? Why can't we have a situation where the bodaboda people can invest in real estate? What do we lack? Loans are good but we must capacity build the women on business opportunity identification, we must separate loan from social capital for buying sufurias and such.
For the governor aspirants; look for policies that will propel us within five years into an economically viable region. We are lucky to be situated next to Lake Victoria. What, apart from complaining about the hyacinth menace, are we doing with the lake water? Egypt that has a small river has turned it into a tourist attraction and one pays dearly to get into the Nile cruise. Come on, we have the whole lake here for crying out loud.
I do hope to hear about novel ideas that can be sold to the mwananchi down here who will in turn see sense.
Kind Regards,
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From: otieno sungu <sunoti@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:39 AM
Subject: REQUEST FOR SUPPORT TOWARDS GOVERNOR OCHANDA’S CANDIDATURE
Migosi Arum,
If we want food security, we must adopt farming of crops that will do well in the global changes in climate. Have you realized that rains have become unpredictable and a number of years poor harvests and sometimes failed crops have resulted?
In my opinion, we must change with times, right now, some food crops such as rabuon, omuogo are not only becoming commercial crops wit high retail value even in urban areas but also very healthy for domestic consumption and they will most likely do well even in very poor rains.
These can supplement as you say, but we must also encourage our people to think beyond the traditional and begin commercial farming. Food security must be complemented with money in the pocket to take children to school, clothe them, ensure good health and above all, invest.
We have vast land and we are not as populated as some regions which lead in commercial farming. Once cotton farming died in Nyanza, it is only rice that I know of in Ahero and the Dominion farms, I do not know any other serious economic activity in Nyanza(now that fishing is dying too) that can alleviate poverty.
This is the reason even those vying here will meet a serious 'gonywa" syndrome when they hit the campaign trail.Even if you do not vie, if you visit your rural home, you will have to contend with a number of fellows paying you 'courtesy calls" whose intention is to ask you to "konya" with this or the other.
Another area of concern is the easy loans that were visited on women folk without any education on investment. Kenya Women Finance Trust gave loans. A good number went on shopping sprees and bought sufurias, utensils, built mabati houses with the said loans etc.
Right now, the loans are being recovered and properties are being auctioned, marriages are crumbling as husbands send away their wives who took loans behind their backs.
These are things our leaders need to address.Jakoyo was on Ramogi Radio yesterday talking about these loans killing our people.I recently witnessed a number of victims in my rural area. This kind of trend can easily spiral into a poverty situation when the intention was good.
Otieno Sungu
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From: michael arum <oitoarum@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: REQUEST FOR SUPPORT TOWARDS GOVERNOR OCHANDA’S CANDIDATURE
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Peter Aduda <adudap@yahoo.com> Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:25 AM
Wuon Andiwo,
In as much as I want to agree with you, the problem we have is that we never sustain a debate to any logical conclusion with action plan.
This makes it very easy for the top party leadership to manipulate the people. You can already see that JT Okinda has bolted out and offered himself to be Oburu's running mate.
With all honesty, the people of Siaya are going to vote for Oburu as the Governor and Orengo as the Senator. What my two able friends must do is to work a winning formula of being part of this process.
I would propose Gideon to go for the Speaker and William to try being Oburu's Deputy.
Oto
--- On Sun, 12/16/12, Andiwo Obondoh <andiwoto@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Andiwo Obondoh <andiwoto@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: SIAYA MUST RESIST ANY ATTEMPTS BY ODM TO IMPOSE OBURU AS GOVERNOR
Dear comrades, residents and friends of Siaya;
I hope you have been following the developments in the past one to two weeks which culmiinated into the most unpopular Orengo and Oburu deal, which was negotiated by non other than ODM Secretary General, Prof Anyang Nyong'o.
Pushing Oburu to step down for Orengo and instead join the Governor's race is a mockery of democracy and travesty of Justice, which must not be allowed to hold. If Oburu has decided to step down for Orengo, he does not have to run for Governor, let him look for something else to do, as we have better and stronger candidates led Gedion Ochanda and William Oduol.
The best Oburu can do is to join the Raila's presidential campaign and help us capture the presidency, then later we can give him some Board to chair if he is not ready to retire yet.
All of us must join hands to campaign against Oburu's candidature, and anybody asking why should ask any resident of Bondo Constituency about his appalling development record and graft-ridden CDF management over the past 20 years. Bondo has become more miserable than Oburu inehrited it from Jaramogi 20 years ago.
We should not take this bad experience to the New County Govt.
Let us join hands to ensure that the will of the people is not subverted in Siaya.
Andiwo
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Isaac Agina Rashid <iagina@yahoo.com> wrote:
Halo All,
I agree 101% with what Otieno Sungu is saying. Let us embrace technology and equip our women and men with agricultural skills. It is unacceptable that we cannot even supply eggs to the hotels around Kisumu, Siaya, Migori and any other highly populated town in Nyanza. They all get their eggs from outside the counties. Please tell me that eggs need rainfall!!!!! On the other hand, why don't we have functioning cooperatives? I visited the ministry of cooperatives office in Kisumu and was amazed that of ALL the purported cooperatives, only 4 are active. What has happened? Why can't we have initiatives that can propel the youth into economic development? Why can't we have a situation where the bodaboda people can invest in real estate? What do we lack? Loans are good but we must capacity build the women on business opportunity identification, we must separate loan from social capital for buying sufurias and such.
For the governor aspirants; look for policies that will propel us within five years into an economically viable region. We are lucky to be situated next to Lake Victoria. What, apart from complaining about the hyacinth menace, are we doing with the lake water? Egypt that has a small river has turned it into a tourist attraction and one pays dearly to get into the Nile cruise. Come on, we have the whole lake here for crying out loud.
I do hope to hear about novel ideas that can be sold to the mwananchi down here who will in turn see sense.
Kind Regards,
___________________
Agina Rashid Isaac,
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From: otieno sungu <sunoti@yahoo.com>
" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:39 AM
Subject: REQUEST FOR SUPPORT TOWARDS GOVERNOR OCHANDA’S CANDIDATURE
Migosi Arum,
If we want food security, we must adopt farming of crops that will do well in the global changes in climate. Have you realized that rains have become unpredictable and a number of years poor harvests and sometimes failed crops have resulted?
In my opinion, we must change with times, right now, some food crops such as rabuon, omuogo are not only becoming commercial crops wit high retail value even in urban areas but also very healthy for domestic consumption and they will most likely do well even in very poor rains.
These can supplement as you say, but we must also encourage our people to think beyond the traditional and begin commercial farming. Food security must be complemented with money in the pocket to take children to school, clothe them, ensure good health and above all, invest.
We have vast land and we are not as populated as some regions which lead in commercial farming. Once cotton farming died in Nyanza, it is only rice that I know of in Ahero and the Dominion farms, I do not know any other serious economic activity in Nyanza(now that fishing is dying too) that can alleviate poverty.
This is the reason even those vying here will meet a serious 'gonywa" syndrome when they hit the campaign trail.Even if you do not vie, if you visit your rural home, you will have to contend with a number of fellows paying you 'courtesy calls" whose intention is to ask you to "konya" with this or the other.
Another area of concern is the easy loans that were visited on women folk without any education on investment. Kenya Women Finance Trust gave loans. A good number went on shopping sprees and bought sufurias, utensils, built mabati houses with the said loans etc.
Right now, the loans are being recovered and properties are being auctioned, marriages are crumbling as husbands send away their wives who took loans behind their backs.
These are things our leaders need to address.Jakoyo was on Ramogi Radio yesterday talking about these loans killing our people.I recently witnessed a number of victims in my rural area. This kind of trend can easily spiral into a poverty situation when the intention was good.
Otieno Sungu
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From: michael arum <oitoarum@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: REQUEST FOR SUPPORT TOWARDS GOVERNOR OCHANDA’S CANDIDATURE
Andiwo et Al,
I propose we take two actions to ODM secretariat
1. A sign petition with at least 5,000-10,000 signatures from all 5 constituencies opposing the menace
2. Organize a press release and forum to discuss the new trends relating to Oburu imposition.
Thank You, we will be home during Xmas.....Viva Ochanda....Aluta Continua
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Usalama Reforms Forum
Nairobi, Kenya
Mobile: +254 720975498
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Rapudo Hawi <rapudohawi@gmail.com> Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:03 AM
Oto,
I find your statement on Ochanda and democracy and reforms a violation of Human dignity, freedom of choice and
Siaya is not about Odingaism but all citizen been given equal opportunity. I support a Raila presidency but not sycophancy.....I will not be cowed into believing that we could have other abled persons to lead in Siaya.
We are not here to worship but build a good foundation for Siaya. We will not allow sympathy to override leadership!! That's why an Oburu governorship will be failure to our projects, let us not please the leadership when citizen are against Impunity.
Ask yourself we will die without seeing our generation in POWER.
[Quoted text hidden]
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William Oduol <woduol@westconafrica.com> Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:04 AM
Odhiambo Oketch et al,
I hear you....I have known you as a gallant fighter over the years. Ochanda and I have decided to work together and very soon we shall let you all know the direction we have taken. We are all aware that we are up for a very big fight....we don't have a problem with this, collateral damage notwithstanding. We owe it to the good people of Siaya. We are in this to win...and we will surprise quite a few.
Join us and be part of the transformation Siaya yearns for.
William Oduol,
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:54, "odhiambo okecth" <komarockswatch@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wuon Andiwo,
In as much as I want to agree with you, the problem we have is that we never sustain a debate to any logical conclusion with action plan.
This makes it very easy for the top party leadership to manipulate the people. You can already see that JT Okinda has bolted out and offered himself to be Oburu's running mate.
With all honesty, the people of Siaya are going to vote for Oburu as the Governor and Orengo as the Senator. What my two able friends must do is to work a winning formula of being part of this process.
I would propose Gideon to go for the Speaker and William to try being Oburu's Deputy.
Oto
--- On Sun, 12/16/12, Andiwo Obondoh <andiwoto@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Andiwo Obondoh <andiwoto@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: SIAYA MUST RESIST ANY ATTEMPTS BY ODM TO IMPOSE OBURU AS GOVERNOR
Date: Sunday, December 16, 2012, 10:35 AM
Dear comrades, residents and friends of Siaya;
I hope you have been following the developments in the past one to two weeks which culmiinated into the most unpopular Orengo and Oburu deal, which was negotiated by non other than ODM Secretary General, Prof Anyang Nyong'o.
Pushing Oburu to step down for Orengo and instead join the Governor's race is a mockery of democracy and travesty of Justice, which must not be allowed to hold. If Oburu has decided to step down for Orengo, he does not have to run for Governor, let him look for something else to do, as we have better and stronger candidates led Gedion Ochanda and William Oduol.
The best Oburu can do is to join the Raila's presidential campaign and help us capture the presidency, then later we can give him some Board to chair if he is not ready to retire yet.
All of us must join hands to campaign against Oburu's candidature, and anybody asking why should ask any resident of Bondo Constituency about his appalling development record and graft-ridden CDF management over the past 20 years. Bondo has become more miserable than Oburu inehrited it from Jaramogi 20 years ago.
We should not take this bad experience to the New County Govt.
Let us join hands to ensure that the will of the people is not subverted in Siaya.
Andiwo
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Isaac Agina Rashid <iagina@yahoo.com> wrote:
Halo All,
I agree 101% with what Otieno Sungu is saying. Let us embrace technology and equip our women and men with agricultural skills. It is unacceptable that we cannot even supply eggs to the hotels around Kisumu, Siaya, Migori and any other highly populated town in Nyanza. They all get their eggs from outside the counties. Please tell me that eggs need rainfall!!!!! On the other hand, why don't we have functioning cooperatives? I visited the ministry of cooperatives office in Kisumu and was amazed that of ALL the purported cooperatives, only 4 are active. What has happened? Why can't we have initiatives that can propel the youth into economic development? Why can't we have a situation where the bodaboda people can invest in real estate? What do we lack? Loans are good but we must capacity build the women on business opportunity identification, we must separate loan from social capital for buying sufurias and such.
For the governor aspirants; look for policies that will propel us within five years into an economically viable region. We are lucky to be situated next to Lake Victoria. What, apart from complaining about the hyacinth menace, are we doing with the lake water? Egypt that has a small river has turned it into a tourist attraction and one pays dearly to get into the Nile cruise. Come on, we have the whole lake here for crying out loud.
I do hope to hear about novel ideas that can be sold to the mwananchi down here who will in turn see sense.
Kind Regards,
___________________
From: otieno sungu <sunoti@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:39 AM
Subject: REQUEST FOR SUPPORT TOWARDS GOVERNOR OCHANDA’S CANDIDATURE
Migosi Arum,
If we want food security, we must adopt farming of crops that will do well in the global changes in climate. Have you realized that rains have become unpredictable and a number of years poor harvests and sometimes failed crops have resulted?
In my opinion, we must change with times, right now, some food crops such as rabuon, omuogo are not only becoming commercial crops wit high retail value even in urban areas but also very healthy for domestic consumption and they will most likely do well even in very poor rains.
These can supplement as you say, but we must also encourage our people to think beyond the traditional and begin commercial farming. Food security must be complemented with money in the pocket to take children to school, clothe them, ensure good health and above all, invest.
We have vast land and we are not as populated as some regions which lead in commercial farming. Once cotton farming died in Nyanza, it is only rice that I know of in Ahero and the Dominion farms, I do not know any other serious economic activity in Nyanza(now that fishing is dying too) that can alleviate poverty.
This is the reason even those vying here will meet a serious 'gonywa" syndrome when they hit the campaign trail.Even if you do not vie, if you visit your rural home, you will have to contend with a number of fellows paying you 'courtesy calls" whose intention is to ask you to "konya" with this or the other.
Another area of concern is the easy loans that were visited on women folk without any education on investment. Kenya Women Finance Trust gave loans. A good number went on shopping sprees and bought sufurias, utensils, built mabati houses with the said loans etc.
Right now, the loans are being recovered and properties are being auctioned, marriages are crumbling as husbands send away their wives who took loans behind their backs.
These are things our leaders need to address.Jakoyo was on Ramogi Radio yesterday talking about these loans killing our people.I recently witnessed a number of victims in my rural area. This kind of trend can easily spiral into a poverty situation when the intention was good.
Otieno Sungu
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From: michael arum <oitoarum@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: REQUEST FOR SUPPORT TOWARDS GOVERNOR OCHANDA’S CANDIDATURE
Dear All,
Mr. Sungu, I am concerned by the statement ''Alternative commercial farming to the usual subsistence farming of "oduma kod "bel". I just hope you forgot to use the words like in addition or besides.
Am saying so because lack of adequate (whether subsistence or for sale) "oduma kod "bel" that has lead to food insecurity and poverty in the county and the country as a whole. If every home in the County will produce enough of "oduma kod "bel" then they will save money for economic and social activities of necessity. To me any serious County Manager should address food insecurity as a priority.
In addition, am of the idea of face to face engagement with the contenders. I believe that some of us participate in the debate because of our love for our County and in this regards, lets stop being emotional and having interests. Myself, I only knew Ochanda, but now that we are getting more names, let the spirit of fair competition prevail.
Let the sober debate continue.
--- On Wed, 10/24/12, William Oduol <woduol@westconafrica.com> wrote:
From: William Oduol <woduol@westconafrica.com>
Subject: RE: REQUEST FOR SUPPORT TOWARDS GOVERNOR OCHANDA’S CANDIDATURE
Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2012, 8:01 AM
Odhiambo Okecth, et al,
I thank you for allowing me to join this blog.
To the rest of the listers, find attached a couple of mails I sent to one of the blogs I knew when I declared my candidature. It should give you a good sneak peek into my background. Enjoy the read and join me on this journey.
Regards,
_______________________________________________
William Oduol
From: odhiambo okecth [mailto:komarockswatch@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: REQUEST FOR SUPPORT TOWARDS GOVERNOR OCHANDA’S CANDIDATURE
Wuon Sungu,
When I saw this posting, I thought about the entire Siaya as a County- how vast the place is. Then I looked at the question of representation. And I decided to play ball.
The problem we have always had as a people is to refuse to be objective. We play ping-pong with even open and clear issues.
The question of Governor for Siaya is in people's minds, and I was reading in another Forum, that they only know of Donde and Okinda as the people who are in contention. For that Forum, they have never heard of Ochanda and Oduol.
Now, these are the hard realities which we must face. Siaya is endowed with good brains, all the way from Yimbo where I come from, to Sakwa, to Asembo, to your native Uyoma, then roll to Gem, Ugenya, Ugunja and back to Alego.
All these are good brains. In our midsts, we have men and women who have done things, and they have the potentials and the capacity. Again, in our midsts, we have the usual gang. These are people who have been in the seen, and they have never failed to make their presence be known. Not to be felt.
For, how come Siaya is ranked so poorly in the Economics Index yet we have people who have been in leadership?
So, in my view, and I am known for being very frank, the contest for Governorship in Siaya will be based on Regional balancing besides clear capabilities. The person whom we will elect Governor will be one who is short in rhetoric's, but long in action. I know I will be asked, what has Oduol William done?
And for this I will answer, what had Barrack Obama done in the US? Yet, he was elected President of the USA when he was only a mid Term Junior Senator- according to one Alfred Mutua. And in his first term, with his lack of experience Migosi Andiwo, President Obama has achieved for America what people with proven tract records had failed to achieve in their 8 years in office.
Migosi Ochanda is my Friend, and it is sad that I am only realizing of his intentions to vie via internet. The position of Governor is such a serious position that we must never experiment with.
The good thing is, we are just begining to roll our campaigns for Migosi William Oduol and all that I can say, let us roll and may the best person win.
Let us not talk about experience, for the kind of experience we are seeing in Siaya are experiences we would rather we forget as soon as we elect Oduol our First Governor.
I am Oto and I am from Othach- Yimbo.
--- On Wed, 10/24/12, otieno sungu <sunoti@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: otieno sungu <sunoti@yahoo.com>
Subject: REQUEST FOR SUPPORT TOWARDS GOVERNOR OCHANDA’S CANDIDATURE
Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2012, 12:09 AM
May I say in this discourse that the clan issues should not be an indicator of leadership lest we relegate leadership abilities to being on the "right or wrong" side of the clan arithmetic.
I would have suggested town hall meetings between these contestants( not even rallies) where they can all discuss their vision and how they seek to elevate Siaya through their leadership.
There are certain key things to my heart related to Siaya and the unexploited resources thereof that I would want to hear irrespective of who from which clan is speaking them.
What I would want to hear is how their leadership will be different from the usual because we have one of the greatest resources around us, Lake Voctoria from which the Nile, which is the lifeline for Egypt originates and yet Egyptians, thousands upon thousands of miles away are have developed their country from the waters of Lake Victoria while our leaders have totally failed to even ensure fish farming replaces overfishing that has depleted stocks in the lake.Fishermen would today be exporting fish directly from Kisumu International Airport just like some communities export flowers, fresh fruits and the like, but no, not even cold storage facilities are within our beaches which means our fishermen are exploited and middlemen make huge profits as our own perish in poverty.Fish is processed as far as Thika and Nairobi while it is fished in Lake Victoria.
Currently, the water hyacinth is killing the lake but our leaders just look on helpless, our leaders have failed to mobilize resources to ensure we ground modern farming and fishing as a way of creating employment and wealth for Nyanza.
Alternative commercial farming to the usual subsistence farming of "oduma kod "bel".
These are the kind of things I want to hear, not the usual rallies in which our leaders tell us about how we must scramble for leadership yet they fail at local leadership levels. Leadership must have an agenda.
What are their blueprints on farming, fishing, education and infrastructural development? These are the key areas Nyanza needs attention most.
Otieno Sungu.
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From: Odeny Salim <odsalim@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: REQUEST FOR SUPPORT TOWARDS GOVERNOR OCHANDA’S CANDIDATURE
Hi all,
Allow me add my voice to this great discourse. And at the very beginning let me address the concern of Mr Oto. At one point you wrote as follows:
"I would hence propose that the President comes from Bondo, the Governor- William Oduol, comes from Alego and the Senator- James Orengo, comes from Ugenya."
This is the worrying line. The Kenyan Constitution separates distinctly the National and County Governments and lumping them together is in my view stretching the simplicity too far. As Rt. Hon. Raila is running to be the president in the National Government, all that Ochanda is asking for is for us to elect him as the President (read Governor) of Siaya County. Remember there are other 46 counties with similar position, I don't know how this argument will go for them because they don't have Bondo and you also expect them to elect Rt. Hon Raila as the President of the Republic of Kenya. Andiwo's position on this best captures my explanation.
I also feel that you are taking a number of plain issues for granted. You never asked the proponents of Ochanda for Governor whom they support for senatorship. Perhaps, and am sure it is not Hon. Dr Oburu Oginga. Can you confirm this first before jumping to conclusions? Why do you list Ochanda, Raila and Oburu and then in your proposal both Oburu and Ochanda are missing? I would rather you said if you were honest and I will restrict myself to Siaya County: Oburu and Oduol or Ochanda and Orengo and then choose the best combination for Siaya.
I also wish to bring to your attention that while it is solely upon the siaya people to decide their Senator, Women Rep and Governor, Raila's presidency is far way beyond "I would hence propose.." or siaya now proposes but rather the Kenya now proposes.
For now, I rest my case.
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 9:08 PM, michael arum <oitoarum@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jo-Siaya,
I know Ochanda as an intellectual son of the County from Yimbo and not Bondo. This does not mean that I have introduced clan politics for I come from Uyoma and not even his relative. In addition I hope that Ochanda is able to translate his work into practice. Can someone tell us more about Wiliam Oduol background. Who else is running? Remember that our County is ranked no. 5 in terms of poverty in Nyanza. Following this, we must be able to be in touch with real issues - we need to know the Siaya County Profile which I believe is in place as Integrated County Plans is in progress.
Arum
--- On Tue, 10/23/12, Andiwo Obondoh <andiwoto@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Andiwo Obondoh <andiwoto@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: REQUEST FOR SUPPORT TOWARDS GOVERNOR OCHANDA’S CANDIDATURE
To: "odhiambo okecth" <komarockswatch@yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 5:19 AM
Oto;
Just for your information, Raila is not seeking the presidency of
Siaya County if you are not in the know - he is seeking to be the
president of the Republic of Kenya and therefore I feel we should not
drag him into Siaya County Politics.
I have attended three rallies with both Oduol and Ochanda - the two candidates in Orengo-Jakoyo axis (first in Orengo's home in Masiro
Kathieno, second at Orengo's campaign launch in Ahindi gardens in
Siaya and last weekend in Aram market of Rarieda) - and I can assure
you the 'fine young man' in the name of William Oduol is not yet ready
for gonernorship - he needs a few more years to acheive some political
and social growth to rise to the occassion.
That is why we have asked him to come down and deputize Ochanda in
this race - then he can mature up as he grows in the job with time;
Thanks Oto and hope you can re-assess 'the fine young man' once again
and if you are in touch with him advise him to do some reality check
and make the right judgement in good time;
Andiwo
On 10/23/12, odhiambo okecth <komarockswatch@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I know of William Oduol, a fine Young Man who most likely will be the First
> Governor of Siaya.
>
> Look at it this way, Hon Oburu wants to be Senator. And we all know we must
> vote for The Captain at the Presidency. Then Gideon, a Friend of mine wants
> Governor. How will it work for Siaya County?
>
> That the President is from Bondo, the Governor is from Bondo and the Senator
> is from Bondo? That is being selfish.
>
> I would hence propose that the President comes from Bondo, the Governor-
> William Oduol, comes from Alego and the Senator- James Orengo, comes from
> Ugenya.
>
> Oto
>
> --- On Mon, 10/22/12, maurice oduor <mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> From: maurice oduor <mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: REQUEST FOR SUPPORT TOWARDS GOVERNOR OCHANDA’S CANDIDATURE
> Date: Monday, October 22, 2012, 8:07 PM
>
>
>
> Owala wod Alego,
>
> Please give us some detailed information about Gideon Ochanda. We Kenyans in
> Canada would like to assess if he merits assistance. Who are the other
> candidates for the gubernatorial position?
>
> Courage,
> Oduor Maurice wod Plista Ny'Alego Gang
>
>
>
>
>
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> On Mon, 22 Oct, 2012 5:26 PM EDT chris owala wrote:
>
>>Dear Sir/Madam,
>>
>>SIAYA COUNTY for Change Initiative(SCCI) is a platform of Siaya County sons
>> and daughters who are
>>committed to improving leadership, socio-economic status and livelihoods of
>> the
>>county residents of Siaya – Bondo, Ugenya, Gem, Rarieda and Alego/Usonga
>>constituencies. As an entry point, it targets to have dynamic, reachable
>> and
>>participatory leadership in Siaya County.
>>Towards this end, SCCI is supporting Mr. Gideon Ochanda’s candidature
>>for Governorship of Siaya County seat, come 2013 year’s general elections.
>>Having consulted widely with various professionals and other stakeholders
>> from
>>the County, we are convinced beyond reasonable doubt, that Mr. Ochanda is
>> the
>>right candidate, who has the ability to provide credible, participatory and
>> efficientleadership to the constituents of Siaya County at this point in
>> time
>>Given the diverse potential obstacles in the pursuit of this initiative,
>>we are seeking for your humble support to the process. The support needed
>>ranges from financial to any other donations relevant in social and
>> political
>>campaigns.
>>
>>Please feel free to Contact the undersign for more information ans also
>> share the gospel widely.
>>
>>In Solidarity
>>/William Onyango 0725200192
>>
>>Co-Conveners
>>Siaya County for Change Initiative – SCCI
>
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odhiambo okecth <komarockswatch@yahoo.com> Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM
Wuon Hawi,
I have not made any statement on my Friend Ochanda. What I have pointed out is that we NEVER seem to have the capacity to sustain an action.
Secondly, and I am only being honest, I have NEVER been anyone's sycophant, you will NOT have the capacity to stop Oburu. The only best way is for Ochanda and Oduol to realize this, just like Okinda has realized this in good time.
When Raila realized that Kanu was so powerful, he went in and eventaully defeated Kanu from within. This is what Ochanda and Oduol MUST do. They are still young and promising leaders. They have all the time in their hands.
The best deal for them is to infiltrate the Oburu System and work from within to defeat Oburu.
You talk about democracy and reforms a violation of Human dignity, freedom of choice. This are empty NGO slogans that mean very little to so many people.
Lastly, I am one who makes my point as clear as possible. I am never a Court Poet who claps even as the King goes naked. I would rather I told Ochanda and Oduol the truth than lie to them that they can defeat Oburu in an election.
--- On Sun, 12/16/12, Rapudo Hawi <rapudohawi@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Rapudo Hawi <rapudohawi@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: SIAYA MUST RESIST ANY ATTEMPTS BY ODM TO IMPOSE OBURU AS GOVERNOR
Date: Sunday, December 16, 2012, 11:03 PM
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Rapudo Hawi <rapudohawi@gmail.com> Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:37 AM
To: odhiambo okecth <komarockswatch@yahoo.com>
Wuon Oto,
I like the fact that you fear Odingaism from the core and thats why you shiver when we champion our cause to change the process in Kenya that includes the other big families of Mois, Kibakis, Kenyattas that are like Siamese twins.
What stop us from facing the bull by the horns instead installing a regime that will run down Siaya, we are not here for Experiments, Research or
Wait for Climate change ! We will not go down without a fight or give up because Oburu should get leadership on silver platter. We have put time and resource into this campaign......Listen to This for only A clique of people perceiving to speak of behalf of Ugenya, Ugunja, Alego, Gem, Bondo and Rarieda to bring down OBURU VESUS ORENGO.
Bring defeatists to the GOVERNOR CONTEST then you said this about best deal for them is to infiltrate the Oburu System and work from within to defeat Oburu
THEN WE MOVE ON WEEPING AND WAILING!!! it will not happen. Thats why you never a Court Poet who claps even as the King goes naked.
I would rather not Vote for an ODM governor in the coming 2013 elections in Ugunja......... WE WILL MOBILIZE PEOPLE TO DO THAT AND SEND MESSAGE HOME
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Benedict Aminer <owinoaminer@gmail.com> Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:19 AM
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Henry Onyango <henry@harvestflowers.com> Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 1:39 PM
Hi People,
For the first time in a long time, a forward looking forum to articulate
issues affecting our county! Congratulations to you all.
Though I will vote in the "diaspora", issues affecting Siaya are close to my
heart. I see levels of poverty, illiteracy, lack of clean drinking water and
general lack of affordable health care that afflict our people. It breaks my
heart when passing through shopping centers and seeing the small makeshift
shops that sell Blue Band, Cooking oil etc in vijikos as units that can be
afforded by our people!!
Having said that, I must say that I am not huge on personalities! But the
prospect of Oburu Odinga does not excite me at all. I have seen his input at
the national level and it is nothing to write home about! I feel we need a
relatively young, proven, dynamic and level headed pair of hands at the
helm! Especially as the first ever Governor, we need a class Act. Do any of
these gentlemen have what it takes? Someone enlighten me. I hold sway with
some groups and they will surely listen to my counsel when I say "this is
the man (or woman)".
Let's keep this fire going!
Henry Onyango
-----Original Message-----
From: Benedict Aminer [mailto:owinoaminer@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 11:19 AM
To: Andiwo Obondoh
Subject: Re: SIAYA MUST RESIST ANY ATTEMPTS BY ODM TO IMPOSE OBURU AS
GOVERNOR
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Zacc Orembe <zorembe@gmail.com> Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:06 PM
fellow county men, I greet you all. Its now clear based on your reactions that the destiny of Siaya county is and will never be determined by a group of of two or three gentlemen sitting in a hotel and later make pronouncements about what they have shared among themselves.
I am still appealing to our fellow county men that the only weapon we have is the voters card. lets use it wisely. Siaya as a county which is the litmus of regional politics , cannot afford to be under receivership from the onset. Ladies and gentlemen, we may get everything WRONG BUT NOT A GOVERNOR . I don't care where he/she comes from as long as he/she meets and fits the shoe.
over to guys
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charles otunga <pesatoango@yahoo.ca> Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:39 PM
Great... Great..!!!!, Those who made the pronouncements all the way from Nairobi are hearing all these. I believe they will definitely know that Siaya Politics is not a preserve of some two,..three,.. Power hungry individuals ('walala hai') without the voters' input at heart
The voter must now lead and these boardroom regotiations will end.
Keep the pressure on them "wapende wasipende"!!!!!
--- On Mon, 12/17/12, Zacc Orembe <zorembe@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Zacc Orembe <zorembe@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: SIAYA MUST RESIST ANY ATTEMPTS BY ODM TO IMPOSE OBURU AS GOVERNOR
Received: Monday, December 17, 2012, 6:06 AM
fellow county men, I greet you all. Its now clear based on your reactions that the destiny of Siaya county is and will never be determined by a group of of two or three gentlemen sitting in a hotel and later make pronouncements about what they have shared among themselves.
I am still appealing to our fellow county men that the only weapon we have is the voters card. lets use it wisely. Siaya as a county which is the litmus of regional politics , cannot afford to be under receivership from the onset. Ladies and gentlemen, we may get everything WRONG BUT NOT A GOVERNOR . I don't care where he/she comes from as long as he/she meets and fits the shoe.
over to guys
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Peter Ken Otieno <peterkenotieno009@gmail.com> Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:14 PM
_og@yahoo.com
Dear All,
I am happy with this discussion and the different sentiments as well as suggestions. These are all part of the democratic space that all citizens should participate in that space.
While I hold no brief for anybody, I think there is need for effective and substantive more organized response to the mistakes that may have been realized. I also think I could be wrong, that the process of negotiation and the subsequent deal cutting is being made look like part position bu is a few individuals. If we run a campaign that seem to be suggesting in my view that there are people who already have direct nomination then we are missing the point.
The best that can be done is to do things differently and we shall get a different result otherwise if we run the old style campaign and expect different results then we better be ready for an obvious answer. It also wrong to say that "we" will "give" someone a board to chair what does it mean? and what is the difference with what is being complained about?
I love the debate but, would want it expanded!
Regards
Ken
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edward gondi <golima77@yahoo.com> Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:01 AM
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james oduor <jaymoduor@yahoo.com> Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Bwana Agina,
I don't think you should be removed from the list just because you are based in Kisumu. I believe there are people you can still influence in Siaya County. A part from that, your ideas and strategies on how to ensure we have credible and acceptable leadership in Siaya is needed in this forum.
Thanks
Oduor James
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From: Isaac Agina Rashid <iagina@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: SIAYA MUST RESIST ANY ATTEMPTS BY ODM TO IMPOSE OBURU AS GOVERNOR
Dear everyone. Please remove my email from this discussion. I took my vote in Kisumu county so I may not be of much help to the Siaya people for now. We have our own issues to solve in Kisumu county as well.
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james oduor <jaymoduor@yahoo.com> Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:41 PM
Dear All,
I have gone through comments made by different people and appreciate them since we must share for us to get a way forward. The entry of Oburu Odinga is such a weighty matter because currently Orengo might be supporting him since during the Nairobi negotiation, they were together. Other candidates for the Governor's position were not there so they might not have a say on the arrangement. If we support Orengo we might be supporting Oburu indirectly. On the other hand, since Okinda accepted to step down for Oburu, he is already done with. It is also rumoured that Rasanga might go for Oburu's running mate. If this happens then it is Oduol who might be the only candidate Oburu will have to contend with and once he is done with him, he will be home and dry. This is so because Ochanda has to get a running mate in Alego and this is where Oburu and his team will be focusing on as well. The strategy they are like to use is to convince Jakoyo Midiwo to support their line up and Oduol will have no option but to abide. These people have schemed and we must strategise seriously to counter them. There is more than meets the eye.
Thanks
Oduor James
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From: Peter Ken Otieno <peterkenotieno009@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: SIAYA MUST RESIST ANY ATTEMPTS BY ODM TO IMPOSE OBURU AS GOVERNOR
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Olwamba Charles <olwamba@gmail.com> Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:47 AM
Hi.
on Friday 21st Dec. 2012 we will have a public rally in Siaya stadium to discuss the new land laws further, there shall be discussions and presentations on leadership and integrity and how this impacts on land administration. Community initiative action group (CIAG-K) takes this opportunity to invite jo - siaya duto te for this meeting.
circulate the invitation to your various networks.
regards.
chris owala
0716384135
charles Olwamba.
0722487218
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ACHIM CHIAJI <achim.chiaji@gmail.com> Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 8:32 AM
Dear Colleagues,
I have received the attached Advert for Social Vetting - from Joe Kwaka who wishes to invite us all to participate in the social vetting of all candidates ahead of the upcoming elections.
Do kindly circulate as widely as you can,.
Achim
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Peter Ken Otieno <peterkenotieno009@gmail.com> Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 2:00 PM
Dear all,
We are saying the same thing that, Siaya needs leadership which is more in touch with realities.
Could we suggest some practical steps e.g some kind of meeting over these holidays?
Ken
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maurice oduor <mauricejoduor@yahoo.ca> Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:16 AM
