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Post by roughrider on Nov 25, 2010 10:10:12 GMT 3
I think the discussion on the CRA needs to be separated from that of the CIC; thus this new thread. We now know who will sit in that commission. Are these the best candidates? How should they proceed?
Both Kamale and I preferred other persons (Edward Odundo and David Ndii respectively). But the principals had other ideas.
Here are the emerging schools of thought regarding the choice: Edward, apparently, is doing an excellent job at RBA and it was felt that he needed to be allowed to continue building and strengthening the pensions sector. David Ndii most probably has his association with John Githongo and independent streak to blame. Kibaki, apparently will never forgive Githongo.
So it came down to Micah Cheserem. Cheserem is a fine man and has shown that he can, at times, be principled. Economists must be disappointed that an accountant carried the day in what is legitimately and economists' turf.
The principal function of the Commission on Revenue Allocation is to make recommendations concerning the basis for the equitable sharing of revenue raised by the national government–– (a) Between the national and county governments; and (b) among the county governments.
Lets look at the other nominees. ODM have done a reasonably good job with the following:
Meshak Onyango, a former deputy director of Central Bank, who was among the whistle blowers during the Goldenberg saga. He has training in financial management and banking. He also holds a Bachelor of Commerce degree.
Fatuma Abdikadir is an inspired choice having been the coordinator of the World Bank funded Arid Lands Resource Management Project she will understand how to allocate resources for marginalized areas.
Professor Wafula Maasai: a professor at the University of Nairobi, School of Economics (he taught me economics at UoN) and also worked as a researcher with various institutions including the AERC, ACEG etc. A very intelligent man with a doctorate in Analysis and Planning for Development, from University of Grenoble - France.
Rose Bosibori Osoro - we don't know her well but is an accountant and training manager at the Kenya Forestry Research Institute. Is she the same Ruth that was writing a PhD by research in the UK???
Ahmed Abdala, according to the media has worked as Kenya Commercial Bank Regional Manager for Coast region. This info is insufficient but he may have been brought in to cover coastal concerns.
PNU’s nominees are:
Prof Kimura who is largely a lecturer and consultant, but also thick in the corporate world with many directorships. He holds a PhD in Accounting from University of California, Los Angeles, MBA from University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada and a Bachelor of Commerce from University of East Africa. He is also a Fellow of the Institute of Certified Public Accountants of Kenya (FCPA (K).
I do not agree with PNU’s other choice of Prof Raphael Munavu. What will a prof in chemistry add to an economics and accounting function? Kwani they think we are building labs and mixing chemicals? Further, the man has had a poor tenure at KNEC, plagued with scandals. This has Kalonzo’s stupidity writ all over it.
Amina Ahmed – I don’t know this one but good for gender balance.
The last nominee will be a secretary from the ministry of finance.
This is one of the more important commissions. What do people think about these choices and how the commission must proceed?
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Post by phil on Nov 25, 2010 12:42:29 GMT 3
RR,
I was keeping my finger crossed for former Mandera Central MP Billow Aden Kerrow as well as governance advocate and MARS Group founder Mwalimu Mati.
These two have proven more than once that they are true servants of the people on matters of public finance, corruption and other pertinent matters. The two gentlemen are the kind of people you want to be on the side of ODM. I think Billow actually contested the mandera central seat on ODM ticket and lost. The PM didnt see a need to rope him in as one of his economic advisors, regrettable that such a brilliant mind is not within the ODM think tanks.
Do you have a link to the full list of nominees to the CRA? Even the PPS release only named the Chairman (Cheserem) but there was no mention of the members.
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Post by kamalet on Nov 25, 2010 13:48:08 GMT 3
RR, I was keeping my finger crossed for former Mandera Central MP Billow Aden Kerrow as well as governance advocate and MARS Group founder Mwalimu Mati. These two have proven more than once that they are true servants of the people on matters of public finance, corruption and other pertinent matters. The two gentlemen are the kind of people you want to be on the side of ODM. I think Billow actually contested the mandera central seat on ODM ticket and lost. The PM didnt see a need to rope him in as one of his economic advisors, regrettable that such a brilliant mind is not within the ODM think tanks. Do you have a link to the full list of nominees to the CRA? Even the PPS release only named the Chairman (Cheserem) but there was no mention of the members. Phil Is Billow Kerrow not at the KACC in one role or other - (I recall a controversy about his appointment) so he would have been ineligible. As Mati, he would have struggled to get through for many reasons key among them being rather "loud mouthed" and also the reasons leading to his removal from TI.
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Post by gachquota on Nov 25, 2010 16:19:29 GMT 3
Mwalimu Mati was da ideal choice but the corrupt in goverment will never allow that to happen.
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Post by roughrider on Nov 25, 2010 16:34:12 GMT 3
Phil;
The CRA nominee list was out already. I will look for a link. Actually, the constitution provides that political parties would nominate most of them - not the president/ PM. ODM nominated 4 and PNU three. Then the principals nominated the chairperson.
It is clear that if you are outspoken, you hardly stand a chance in such appointment. This could be an important lesson those eyeing public appointments in future.
BTW - I might just take you up on that Tusker Malt offer - i dont know it was on which discussion.
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Post by roughrider on Nov 25, 2010 16:46:16 GMT 3
Let’s do some back of the envelop calculations. Katiba says that not less than 15% of the national revenue will go to Counties. Assuming about 1 trillion in revenues by 2013, this means we will be looking at 150 billion or on average 3 billion per county [note that the CRA will help develop policy for the divison of revenue between counties: some counties may get more or less]. And this is still the starting point for the amounts devolved might go higher than 15% and Counties will also raise their own revenue from local taxes.
This is the policy and allocation that Micah Cheserem and his colleagues must manage professionally.
Note that the katiba allows Micah Cheserem and his group to sit in any meeting of the CIC without a vote, though. This will help them shape things as implementing legislation and structures is prepared.
I insist that the central government from the 85% must still pay salaries for public servants.
As a game, lets take a county like Homa bay. I do not think that Homa Bay has ever gotten 3 billion shillings from the government in any year since independence!
What can the county do with 3 billion annually? Let's assume that all this money is for development. Can it be absorbed? The county can chose to bet big, on large long term transformational projects and infrastructural development. It can then use some of these these funds to for instance to leverage a long term infrastructure loan of say 20 billion to convert its roads, water and electric systems into modern superhighways and systems.
Or it could go for agriculture and fishing development big time.
Or it could be all about fresh new school systems, hospitals and other social amenities.
What I am trying to say is that Counties will need to organize, plan and prioritize pretty soon because the MONEY may start trickling before we can say Ann Robinson. And judging from that CRA, nobody will be given money without a good and solid plan.
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 25, 2010 17:03:45 GMT 3
RR, I was keeping my finger crossed for former Mandera Central MP Billow Aden Kerrow as well as governance advocate and MARS Group founder Mwalimu Mati. These two have proven more than once that they are true servants of the people on matters of public finance, corruption and other pertinent matters. The two gentlemen are the kind of people you want to be on the side of ODM. I think Billow actually contested the mandera central seat on ODM ticket and lost. The PM didnt see a need to rope him in as one of his economic advisors, regrettable that such a brilliant mind is not within the ODM think tanks. Do you have a link to the full list of nominees to the CRA? Even the PPS release only named the Chairman (Cheserem) but there was no mention of the members. Phil Is Billow Kerrow not at the KACC in one role or other - (I recall a controversy about his appointment) so he would have been ineligible. As Mati, he would have struggled to get through for many reasons key among them being rather "loud mouthed" and also the reasons leading to his removal from TI. Kamale, I am sure by "loud mouthed" you mean Kenyan patriots with the guts and courage to stand up to the kind of power some of you worship. I am also very sure you would prefer "silent lambs" like your buddy Ringera who cheered drug traffickers and racked in millions pretending to fight corruption. I will talk about the other stuff. adongo
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Post by kamalet on Nov 25, 2010 17:08:32 GMT 3
Phil Is Billow Kerrow not at the KACC in one role or other - (I recall a controversy about his appointment) so he would have been ineligible. As Mati, he would have struggled to get through for many reasons key among them being rather "loud mouthed" and also the reasons leading to his removal from TI. Kamale, I am sure by "loud mouthed" you mean Kenyan patriots with the guts and courage to stand up to the kind of power some of you worship. I am also very sure you would prefer "silent lambs" like your buddy Ringera who cheered drug traffickers and racked in millions pretending to fight corruption. I will talk about the other stuff. adongo You score a D for mind reading and an A for being dumb and juvenile. Just where did Ringeera come into this debate??
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Post by phil on Nov 25, 2010 17:23:19 GMT 3
Let’s do some back of the envelop calculations. Katiba says that not less than 15% of the national revenue will go to Counties. Assuming about 1 trillion in revenues by 2013, this means we will be looking at 150 billion or on average 3 billion per county [note that the CRA will help develop policy for the divison of revenue between counties: some counties may get more or less]. And this is still the starting point for the amounts devolved might go higher than 15% and Counties will also raise their own revenue from local taxes. This is the policy and allocation that Micah Cheserem and his colleagues must manage professionally. Note that the katiba allows Micah Cheserem and his group to sit in any meeting of the CIC without a vote, though. This will help them shape things as implementing legislation and structures is prepared. I insist that the central government from the 85% must still pay salaries for public servants. As a game, lets take a county like Homa bay. I do not think that Homa Bay has ever gotten 3 billion shillings from the government in any year since independence! What can the county do with 3 billion annually? Let's assume that all this money is for development. Can it be absorbed? The county can chose to bet big, on large long term transformational projects and infrastructural development. It can then use some of these these funds to for instance to leverage a long term infrastructure loan of say 20 billion to convert its roads, water and electric systems into modern superhighways and systems. Or it could go for agriculture and fishing development big time. Or it could be all about fresh new school systems, hospitals and other social amenities. What I am trying to say is that Counties will need to organize, plan and prioritize pretty soon because the MONEY may start trickling before we can say Ann Robinson. And judging from that CRA, nobody will be given money without a good and solid plan. In yesterday's session, I think there was an MP who had a question to one of the ministers to confirm what the government was doing to prepare the capacity of country governments in their new role as envisaged in the new constitution. I havent seen the answer but I will endeavour to post it here if I come across it. But, yes, I think Kshs.3b is not lose change to most of our starved counties. This money must be well invested/spent and be accounted for. If what I have been seeing in the corruption infested CCN council meetings is what will happen in county government, the the CRA has its work cut out. Does the constitution talk about accountability of the county government or these have been left to parliament to legislate, and hence the question by the MP?
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 25, 2010 17:31:44 GMT 3
Kamale, I am sure by "loud mouthed" you mean Kenyan patriots with the guts and courage to stand up to the kind of power some of you worship. I am also very sure you would prefer "silent lambs" like your buddy Ringera who cheered drug traffickers and racked in millions pretending to fight corruption. I will talk about the other stuff. adongo You score a D for mind reading and an A for being dumb and juvenile. Just where did Ringeera come into this debate?? Kamale,Let's keep your regular garbage out of this debate started by RR, start one for your ujinga series. I have no time to fool around with idiots today. OK. Thank you. Now if you don't mind I will attend to the CRA.
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Post by phil on Nov 25, 2010 17:48:15 GMT 3
its Kamale's intention to derail this and other threads simply because they are critical of some of the decisions reached by his BEST.
You can see the emotion and the anger. That does not add value to Jukwaa does it?
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 25, 2010 17:56:05 GMT 3
RR,
Thanks for providing some insight into the qualifications of some of the CRA commissioners. I am fairly impressed by the ODM choices now that I get to know some of their backgrounds.
PNU as usual stumbled here and there but the one choice they got right was Prof. Kimura and I am not pleased with him just because he way my accounting lecturer at UoN but he is as sharp as they come in accounting and taxation.
The godfather of taxation and accounting philosophy and practice in Kenya is Prof. Ngotho wa Kariuki who now teaches at that East African College in Tanzania. He was the Dean of the Faculty of Accounting when Kimura headed the accounting department and the two were something else.
Kimura has also been involved in research and consultancy work and occasionally writes commentaries in newspaper on issues of economics and social development. He is a good choice.
The real deal with this Commission and that is where status quo folks like Cheserem could cause a lot of problems is that this commission will be playing the major role in the finances of the nation. Forget the ministry of finance. That will just be conveyor belt to send the money where they are told. These are the chaps who will determine how tax payer money and all government revenue is spent.
For starters our government today spends what Kshs 48 billion a year on defense. This is the Commission which will decide whether that is sustainable and necessary. Whatever portion is allocated to defense for example automatically goes to the national government which is responsible for defense.
We need to ask serious questions how the defense money has been spent. Has their been abuse, misuse and corruption? Big Yes. So what should be done? Should there be an independent audit of defense spending to determine the real needs are? Yes there should be. The CRA will have to make such calls.
Should there be a cut in defense spending considering the other needs of the country? The CRA will make that call and that is why we do not need status quos folks who never question anything. We need to put our fingers on each of these things.
Then there is the big issue of addressing disparities? Should the CRA allocate more agriculture and education money to counties in the former NEP and other underdeveloped areas? What will be the formula.
My point here is that big decisions has to be made first on what the money is spent on before we think of distributing it otherwise there will be nothing left to distribute.
For example the national government spends the largest portion of the budget in salaries and current expenditure leaving nothing for development. Unless such a system is changed the CRA will have nothing to really offer Kenyans. They have to question the budget demands of the national government and can simply tell them we can only allow such and such percentage to be spent on salaries and other current expenditure and thereby force the national government to find where to cut its expenditure.
So there are real questions that will need some guts, some creativity and thinking outside the box. I will leave it there for now.
adongo
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Nov 25, 2010 20:18:09 GMT 3
Adongo
Defence has been a concern I also had for sometimes considering the tender/procurement issues on-going in Parliament. We as a country have lost a lot of resources on defence and how I wished we could finally see the last of the mis-use or abuses of defence resource allocation.
However, I don’t think you are quite correct to say that the CRA will allocate resources, and even determine the expenditure matters like defence. That is the role of Parliament. I understand the CRA to be body, which only recommends. And that recommendation is solely on two issues, a) national vis-a-visa county govt and , b)among counties.
Check out sect. 216
216. (1) The principal function of the Commission on Revenue Allocation is to make recommendations concerning the basis for the equitable sharing of revenue raised by the national government–– (a) between the national and county governments; and (b) among the county governments.
Recommendation is on very specific grounds only. So CRA could not therefore recommend expenditure, which is a general mandate for national government, like defence, nor can it recommend expenditure within counties. In cases of national expenditure, that role still remains that of the Parliament who have to pass annual financial bills, including the budgets. The Bills will originate from the Treasury who will have the mandate to formulate a national budget. And for the counties, it is their own county assemblies who will determine their expenditures having written their own budget. Of course the audit body will continue to audit expenditure after the events, as they do now. The bottom line the CRA will generally be a toothless dog who can do very little in terms of budgetary formulation and allocation but only recommend national/county and intra-county allocation. The only useful mandate that CRA will have will be to determine policy by which marginalised areas are classified and how much more do they need in resources in comparison with others.
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 25, 2010 21:30:59 GMT 3
sadik,
You raise very valid issues and I will address them later. But by and large your thinking on this matter conforms to what I referred to as status quo thinking. It is not workable under the new conditions and that is why we need visionaries in commissions like the CRA who can think outside the box.
take a small example what you pointed out.
216. (1) The principal function of the Commission on Revenue Allocation is to make recommendations concerning the basis for the equitable sharing of revenue raised by the national government–– (a) between the national and county governments; and (b) among the county governments.
Now if the CRA is going to allocate resources between the central government and the counties and say the ministry of defence takes 10% of the budget and already by a constitutional mandate the counties take 15% and the CDF 2.5%, that is already 27.5% of the budget, how will other branches of government function. Remember ministry of primary education with the biggest chunk and that of health are not factored it.
What I am saying here is that if we get stuck in the old thinking the government will ran broke in less than a year and that is why a new thinking in funding the activities of the nation and running the budget has to be found. That is the job of the CRA. Line ministries can come with all the wish list they want by if the CRA does not figure out how the fainances of the nation works they are going nowhere.
This is a new ball game my friend and the CRA is a major player in how the tax payer money and all revenues will be be disbursed. You call that toothless at your own risk. The ministry of finance's budget is tied to what the CRA does. They are going nowhere without the CRA.
But this is a good point to explore. I will do so later.
adongo
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 26, 2010 3:59:38 GMT 3
Sadik.
I am back as promised and now I can give you my thinking on the role of the CRA-v- the ministry of finance which I suspect will be combined with national planning. The era of 40 ministries expires in 2012.
The supposition you make below is completely untrue if you look at the mandate of the CRA as stipulated in Sec 216 which you quoted.
This is what you said:
"The bottom line the CRA will generally be a toothless dog who can do very little in terms of budgetary formulation and allocation but only recommend national/county and intra-county allocation".
Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact the ministry of finance will not even know how much money is available for their budget until after the CRA has informed them of their budgetary allocation for the year in question. Of course this has to go through parliament, which will have no favours from and no fears of the government of the day.
If you think what is happening right now when M.Ps are making a mockery of the executive is scary, wait till you see what happens after 2012. It is going to be show time that will make what we see now, less than a child's play.
After the 2012 elections, the ministry of finance and the Treasury will provide the CRA with the revenue projections for each financial year and then they have to wait until the CRA tells them how much of that money will be available to the national government and in some cases with very specific instructions on where to spend it. I come back to that shortly.
But to illustrate my point let me use a simple example of a parent with two kids going to boarding school. Your kids present you with their budgets and each wants Kshs 10,000.00. You listen to their needs and tell them, "you know what I can only afford Kshs 6,000.00 for each of you". That is assuming you are not sonko or anybody like that. The kids ng'ung'unika but they know the budget is cast in stone.
So they take their money and they go to spend it. So each one of them will be adjusting their budgets depending on the money you gave them. They are doing the budget so to speak with your money and it was you who had to make the call on how much cash they would get. That is going to be the relationship between the CRA and the ministry of finance.
Now let's get to a few specifics. In the next two years the CRA will be working on funding modalities for funding arrangements consistent with the new constitution. The starting point is that 15% of the country's budget goes to the 47 counties. That is what is called mandatory transfer. In other words the Treasury will be asked to transfer that amount to the counties through specified methods and at specified intervals. The treasury has no say on the matter whatsoever.
Secondly the CRA has to figure out ratios in funding between the counties and the national government on areas where both levels of government have jurisdiction. They are many but let's take primary education for example. According to the constitution, primary education will be under the jurisdiction of the counties. As everybody knows that is the ministry that consumes the largest share of the country's budget. So what is going to happen under the new arrangement?
First the CRA has to figure out which specific responsibilities will be taken over by the counties and which responsibilities will be retained with the national government before they can decide on the budget numbers.
It would seem obvious to me that the national government would keep paying the teachers through the TSC which is now a constitutionally protected national institution. In this I would assume the CRA will consult with the treasury and the TSC and determine how much money is needed to cover the salaries and benefits for primary school teachers in each budgetary year. Once that number is determined the CRA will allocate the amount required and ask the Treasury to transfer the amount to the TSC for the teachers salaries and benefits.
Then the CRA will have to determine what the responsibilities of the counties are with regard to running and building primary schools according to the needs of each county and once that is determined the CRA will instruct the Treasury to issue funds according to the formal they have established.
In essence just with in this one ministry the CRA has the constitutional obligation to determine how much money goes to fund what specific services and give instructions on how that is dispensed and used. I don't know what else could qualify as a budgetary responsibility. May be you do. I would like to hear about it.
In the overall picture the national budget as we have in Kenya today is dead and gone under the new constitution. Even the very idea of "national budget" is changed forever. The days when a bunch of cabals may be from the same village would sit together at Treasury and look at the entire revenue of the country as their piggy bank money to use as they desire is gone. It won't be back.
Now going back to my example of you or me as a parent giving your school kids their pocket money. Both kids may have the same amount but each one of them can decide to spend it wisely or be foolish with their expenditures. That will be the difference between bad and good governments in the next hundred years or so that our current constitution may survive with amendments along the years in different generations and urgent demands require..
One kid may decide he or she is going to blow the money on one day on things they like with no regard to what happens next. A couple of days later they would be dead broke and cannot even meet their most basic needs like buying a bathing soap. Tough luck. That would be the example of a bad government.
The other kid may be more rational and decide to bling bling a little bit, buy other supplies they need and keep some money aside to make sure they can afford to sustain themselves. That would be the example of a good government.
It would be up to Kenyan voters to choose the kind of government they want. The constitution will never choose a government for citizens, the voters do. That fact remains unchanged.
So Kenyans can elect any government they want, but the treasury and the ministry will never again be able to spend the Kenyan tax payer money the way a few crooks at the Treasury did before. The rules of the game has changed significantly. For the most part it is for the better. We have to defend that as Kenyans. There will be battle along the way. That's fine. The nation will get where its people want it to be the Kenyan people have to control their money. The tools are there now.
A friend of mine told me some time back that those who control the guns and the money will run the country. Any country.
That is why we must embrace the CRA concept, forget its currently proposed membership (it can be better).
This thing (CRA) could last hundreds of years in our country. Who knows those who will sit on those chairs years and years from now. Let's keep the institution clean, shall we?
This (the concept of a functioning CRA) is a big deal for transforming the collection and use of the national revenue through taxes from all citizens and other sources. It is about time. The nation will navigate its way through it.
adongo
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Post by roughrider on Nov 26, 2010 9:48:10 GMT 3
Adongo and others;
Thanks for your comments.
An important point which every lawyer should know, and which apparently evades Sadik, is that there will be ‘enabling statute’ which will provide specific powers to this commission. The constitution is deliberately designed to be general. The fifth schedule provides for these laws that will enable devolution and the management of public finance. So the constitution gives us a general idea.
Suffice it to say that CRA will be a very powerful commission. There is no doubt that it will sit astride the KRA and the Treasury. Few financial transactions of an allocative nature will happen without the close involvement and constitutional say-so of the CRA. Further as Adongo correctly points out, while the CIC will lapse in 5 years, the CRA is a permanent fixture.
And Adongo is right in supposing that budgets will not be made in isolation – a big picture has to emerge. They will have to talk about what is needed at the center and what must go to the periphery: this appears deceptively simple. It is in fact a complex program of optimal allocation and planning. The CRA must determine what development activities are legitimately ‘national government’ ones and which are ‘county government roles’
Then there is the whole idea of managing public debt in an optimal manner - something that will have to be done more carefully in the era of devolution.
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Post by roughrider on Nov 26, 2010 9:49:41 GMT 3
We must NOT lose sight of this point: Money will trickle from 2013. What must be done between now and then to prepare counties to absorb and professionally manage the devolved funds?
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Post by kamalet on Nov 26, 2010 10:31:43 GMT 3
Kamale,Let's keep your regular garbage out of this debate started by RR, start one for your ujinga series. I have no time to fool around with idiots today. OK. Thank you. Now if you don't mind I will attend to the CRA. ...takes one to know another! enuff sed!
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Post by kamalet on Nov 26, 2010 14:16:55 GMT 3
Chapter 12 of the constitution is what should guide us on this matter of Public Finance. The chapter is very clear how the funds will be raised and it makes a clear statement on how revenue will be shared between the national and county governments.
Section 201(c) the burdens and benefits of the use of resources and public borrowing shall be shared equitably between present and future generations;
The key word that I read here is "equitably". This term is repeated a couple of times and this is made very clear in:
Section202. (1) Revenue raised nationally shall be shared equitably among the national and county governments. (2) County governments may be given additional allocations from the national government’s share of the revenue, either conditionally or unconditionally.
So how much will be given to the county governments? My understanding is that this is answered in the following section:
Section 203(2) For every financial year, the equitable share of the revenue raised nationally that is allocated to county governments shall be not less than fifteen per cent of all revenue collected by the national government
The other money availed to the county governments is the annual vote of 0.5% of all national revenue raised which shall go into an Equalisation Fund and whose expenditure can only be done on authorisation of Parliament with input from the CRA.
So exactly what are the functions of the CRA? These are clearly spelt out in Section 216 of the constitution. So for the sake of good order, we should read the entire sections so that it is clear:
216. (1) The principal function of the Commission on Revenue Allocation is to make recommendations concerning the basis for the equitable sharing of revenue raised by the national government–– (a) between the national and county governments; and (b) among the county governments. (2) The Commission shall also make recommendations on other matters concerning the financing of, and financial management by, county governments, as required by this Constitution and national legislation. (3) In formulating recommendations, the Commission shall seek–– (a) to promote and give effect to the criteria mentioned in Article 203 (1); (b) when appropriate, to define and enhance the revenue sources of the national and county governments; and (c) to encourage fiscal responsibility. (4) The Comission shall determine, publish and regularly review a policy in which it sets out the criteria by which to identify the marginalised areas for purposes of Article 204 (2). (5) The Commission shall submit its recommendations to the Senate, the National Assembly, the national executive, county assemblies and county executives.
My reading of this section indicates that the CRA shall only manage the allocation of revenue on the basis of Section 203 in compliance with section 216 (1)(a), i.e between the National Government and the County Governments. Consequently, if the National Government says that it is allocating 20% of Revenue collected to the county government, then that is when the CRA enters the fray.
Indeed Section 218 deals with this appropriately when it deals with the Annual Division and Allocation of Revenue Bills which must be presented to Parliament.
218. (1) At least two months before the end of each financial year, there shall be introduced in Parliament–– (a) a Division of Revenue Bill, which shall divide revenue raised by the national government among the national and county levels of government in accordance with this Constitution; and (b) a County Allocation of Revenue Bill, which shall divide among the counties the revenue allocated to the county level of government on the basis determined in accordance with the resolution in force under Article 217.
I understand Subsection 1(a) to mean the allocation done in accordance with Section 203(2). Any deviations to the law will require to be in a memorandum indicating any deviations from the recommendations of the CRA (again pursuant to their mandate).
To the extent that money raised as revenue is determined and the allocation to counties is authorised by parliament, the CRA does not seem to have another role as I read it.
There has been suggestions that the CRA will even determine how much would go to the Defence Budget. I have looked at Chapter 12 that deals with Public Finance and this does not seem to be so.
If one reads Section 221:
221. (1) At least two months before the end of each financial year, the Cabinet Secretary responsible for finance shall submit to the National Assembly estimates of the revenue and expenditure of the national government for the next financial year to be tabled in the National Assembly. (2) The estimates mentioned in clause (1) shall–– (a) include estimates for expenditure from the Equalisation Fund; and (b) be in the form, and according to the procedure, prescribed by an Act of Parliament
The mandate of presenting to parliament the revenue and expenditure of the National Government lies with the Top Treasury civil servant now called a Cabinet Secretary. In the determination of how much goes to say Defence or Education, the CRA does not seem to have a role and once again the Cabinet Secretary will be guided by Section 201.
At another time, I will address what I think happens to than monster previously called CDF and how it relates to government allocation of money to mashinani
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Post by roughrider on Nov 26, 2010 16:42:47 GMT 3
Kamale;
I think you have given us a very clear idea about some of the functions of the CRA. While what you say includes the roles of the CRA, I believe that yours is only a partial interpretation and somewhat slanted to a pro-centralization perspective. Here is why:
The constitution which you've quoted says clearly that ‘not less than fifteen percent’ of revenue will go to the counties. Mark these words: not less. This means it could be 20% or 30%. But it can never be 10%. There is no debate on this as it is clear. Now who decides that it will be 25%, 35% or simply 15%? It certainly is not the national government cabinet secretary responsible for finance. The constitution is clear that the CRA will be responsible for recommendations on the division of revenue between National and County governments!
The cabinet secretary for finance will only present a budget for the national government after the ‘division of revenue bills’ have showed what proportions are due for the National government. He/She will budget on those amounts. Similarly finance ‘ministers’ will read their own budgets in each of the 47 counties based on what they have got from the Revenue Allocation process.
So it appears the task of the CRA is two-fold: (1) develop a clear formula for sharing revenue between county governments and national governments and (2) develop clear formulae for sharing revenue among the county governments.
With reference to the first role, Adongo's point comes into play; the national government must demonstrate that it deserves 85% and not 60% based on its roles such as defense and what-not. With reference to the second task above, the proposals of the CRA must be presented to the senate which will discuss with the county governors and the public before adoption. But the sharing of revenue among county governments may be based on need, population etc
Note well that if division of revenue bills are presented to the legislature (both houses) that deviate significantly from the recommendations of the CRA, then a clear explanation must accompany those bills to explain the basis for that deviation.
The other aspect of the CRA mandate is that no bill touching on financial matters, especially with regard to county finances may be presented to both houses without the input of the CRA or its recommendations which must be tabled as well.
In short, the field just got smaller for gerrymandering with peoples money.
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Post by kamalet on Nov 26, 2010 17:35:33 GMT 3
RR,
Thank you! A little clarity on the criteria to be taken into account when determining the equitable share that shall not be less than 15%:
203. (1) The following criteria shall be taken into account in determining the equitable shares provided for under Article 202 and in all national legislation concerning county government enacted in terms of this Chapter— (a) the national interest; (b) any provision that must be made in respect of the public debt and other national obligations; (c) the needs of the national government, determined by objective criteria; (d) the need to ensure that county governments are able to perform the functions allocated to them; (e) the fiscal capacity and efficiency of county governments; (f) developmental and other needs of counties; (g) economic disparities within and among counties and the need to remedy them; (h) the need for affirmative action in respect of disadvantaged areas and groups; (i) the need for economic optimisation of each county and to provide incentives for each county to optimise its capacity to raise revenue; (j) the desirability of stable and predictable allocations of revenue; and (k) the need for flexibility in responding to emergencies and other temporary needs, based on similar objective criteria. (2) For every financial year, the equitable share of the revenue raised nationally that is allocated to county governments shall be not less than fifteen per cent of all revenue collected by the national government. (3) The amount referred to in clause (2) shall be calculated on the basis of the most recent audited accounts of revenue received, as approved by the National Assembly.
In all this determination of the criteria, the role seems to belong to Parliament rather than the CRA.
If you look at Section 205 :
205. (1) When a Bill that includes provisions dealing with the sharing of revenue, or any financial matter concerning county governments is published, the Commission on Revenue Allocation shall consider those provisions and may make recommendations to the National Assembly and the Senate. (2) Any recommendations made by the Commission shall be tabled in Parliament, and each House shall consider the recommendations before voting on the Bill.
it appears that the CRA only has a role in funds that are being allocated to county governments as opposed to the share split between the two levels of government. I am still not clear what the role of the CRA is in determining whether it will be 20% or 45% since Section 203 deals with this allocation criteria in rather abstract terms generally giving preference on the national interest above the county interest as long as the minimum amount of the revenue is granted to the counties.
Now the role of the CRA in making recommendation is only for the basis of allocation rather than the extent of allocation. This is well captured in the Division of Revenue bill where only a memorandum on deviations is required to be added to the bill.
FYI, all am doing is stating my understanding of the law rather than my preference of what should be happening! If I had my say, then it would miles different from what the law says...leave alone intends!
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 26, 2010 18:01:10 GMT 3
"it appears that the CRA only has a role in funds that are being allocated to county governments as opposed to the share split between the two levels of government. I am still not clear what the role of the CRA is in determining whether it will be 20% or 45% since Section 203 deals with this allocation criteria in rather abstract terms generally giving preference on the national interest above the county interest as long as the minimum amount of the revenue is granted to the counties".
Kamale,
What you say above is not my understanding of how the system is supposed to work. As far as I can tell the CRA will formulate how the national revenue is shared across the board not just counties. That is what the laws says and you have quoted it extensively.
The one thing you folks should not forget is that there are many areas in which both the national government and the counties will share responsibilities and commitments to the citizens. It is not like give the counties 15% and the national government 85% case closed. Nope.
I indicated that in the primary education area the money has to be shared between the counties and the national government. Resources (money) allocated to each level of government, by the CRA of course, will be commensurate with the responsibilities they have to undertake. Same applies to health provision.
The devolved system gives the counties a fair level of responsibility in providing health services to Kenyans in their counties. The national government also has certain responsibilities. That means the health services budget will have to be split (by the CRA) using a viable formula between the counties and the national government.
And the list goes on. Agriculture, livestock management, public administration etc. There will be roles for both levels of government and the money has to follow suit and it will be the CRA to figure all that out not some chaps at the Treasury.
So my point is that the 85% of the national budget will not be exclusively for the national government to do what they want. A good chunk of it is headed to the counties to deliver services formally delivered by the "central" government. It will be the role of the CRA to sort out the formula to ensure that the sharing of the money is equitable and fair.
The technical things as to who reads the budget in bunge has no significance. It is what they read and how it is arrived at that matters.
At some point as the money gets tight there will have to be need for rationalization as to why the national government and the county needs what portion of the budget. That is where issues like defense budget will come to play because that is money that goes to the national government. How about if there is not enough? What gets cut? Same with the counties.
It would be nice for the CRA to set limits as to how much of the budget allocated to the counties will go to building mansions and paying salaries and which portion goes for service delivery to the citizens otherwise those clones of the old system will just use the entire budget to feed themselves and build huge mansions.
adongo
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Post by roughrider on Nov 26, 2010 18:39:02 GMT 3
Adongo
I agree with you. My interpretation is the the CRA will recommend to parliament what proportion will be available to National government vis a vis the Counties. However, the presentation of the National budget will be a responsibility of the cabinet secretary in charge of finance and the CRA may have an input into that based on what proportion it already allocated to national budgets - this process will make the cabinet secretary more of an administrative figurehead.
Kamale;
I think your attempt to make a distinction between the basis and the actual division is just cheeky. We are not going to ask Micah Cheserem to literally count up the cash and dish it about! (there is a controller of budget whose work is to dole out the cash after making sure it is being requested legally). Also we are not contemplating allocations that disregard the basis and calculations of the CRA and approvals of parliament.
All that secretaries, the CRA etc do with regard to finance is to make proposals to either or both houses where elected representatives sit. The issue that we must agree on is that rather than the executive (read minister of finance) making proposals for the division of revenue between counties and the central government, the law explicitly provides that the CRA will do this and make its recommendations to parliament. Further, the constitution provides a basis for the CRA to do so and demands that the CRA to provide detailed recommendations on revenue allocation respecting this basis.
Nowhere in the katiba is the executive given any powers to say what will go to counties and what will remain at the center. and you have not shown it. But we have a section detailing the principal function of the CRA as this very division.
So while this basis for division is provided for, it must still be subject of a formula or an analysis especially when the said constitutional basis includes general provisions such as (c) the needs of the national government, determined by objective criteria.
My position, really, unless you can demonstrate otherwise, is that preparing proposals for 202(1) – the equitable sharing of funds between National and County governments is a function of the CRA not a cabinet secretary
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Nov 28, 2010 9:43:07 GMT 3
" An important point which every lawyer should know, and which apparently evades Sadik, is that there will be ‘enabling statute’ which will provide specific powers to this commission".
Was these really necessary?
takataka sana.
A pathetic attack?
Interpreting the Constitution is subjective.
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