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Post by owuor on Mar 1, 2011 3:36:15 GMT 3
As I have always maintained, the two principals are merchants of corruption. Even Obama government seems to understad what many in Jukwaa loath or fear to accept. The 'safi kama pamba' myth that does rounds here like 'salt in Karumaindo' has always been a figment of a fertile imagination aka mirage. The smoke has always been there for all to see.
Read on...The Standard By Patrick Mathangani www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000030197&cid=4&ttl=Raila's%20family%20was%20involved%20in%20maize%20scandal,%20claim%20US%20cables Wikileaks claim Prime Minister Raila Odinga attempted to suspend former Agriculture Minister William Ruto to divert attention from his family’s involvement in the Sh2 billion maize scam. Secret cables sent by US Ambassador, Michael Ranneberger, to Washington and now released by WikiLeaks allege Raila wanted to create confusion when he said he was suspending Ruto and Education Minister Sam Ongeri. It claims Raila wanted public debate to focus on the two, and not his family’s role in the scandal. Ranneberger also gives an unflattering assessment of the PM, whom he says is increasingly being perceived as "unable or unwilling to govern effectively and move forward the reform agenda". Behind the scenes One of the cables reveals the behind-the-scenes pushing and shoving that culminated in Raila ‘suspending’ the two ministers, over the affair. However, the US believed Raila took the action not only because he wanted to be seen as fighting corruption, but to divert attention from his family’s involvement in the maize scandal. The maize and education scandals came to light in January 2009. The following month, Kibaki suspended key officials in the Agriculture and Education ministries, a day before Raila announced he was sending the ministers home. "We have credible reports that members of Odinga’s family, presumably with his knowledge and/or involvement, were involved in the maize scandal. Thus, at the time he made his dramatic February 14 statements, Odinga was facing serious pressures on both the corruption and constitutional review issues," wrote Ranneberger. The cable at the beginning says the family of President Kibaki was also involved in the maize scandal. Ongeri’s ministry was being probed over the disappearance of millions of shillings meant for free education programme. The envoy continued: "It seems highly possible that Odinga made the announcement regarding Ongeri and Ruto knowing that it would cause a huge political and constitutional flap, and thusa divert focus on both the corruption and constitutional review issues. Alternatively, Odinga may have miscalculated that he could ‘roll’ Kibaki to go along with his actions because Kibaki would not want to be seen as supporting ministers tainted by corruption." The embassy attributed claims of corruption by the President’s and the Prime Minister’s families to "multiple sources". Two senior officials in the Prime Minister’s Office – PS, Mohamed Isahakia and Chief of Staff Caroli Omondi – resigned a day before Raila attempted to suspend the ministers. However, Kibaki immediately issued a statement revoking Raila’s action, saying the Prime Minister does not have any powers to suspend ministers. Raila issued another statement the following day, insisting the National Accord, which created the Coalition Government, gave him such powers. Pursuant to consultation But according to the cable, "the legal authorities are not completely clear. While Kibaki has the constitutional power to appoint ministers, the National Accord states that ministerial appointments and removals shall be made pursuant to consultation between the Coalition partners." The cable reveals the fierce competition between Raila and Kibaki, who both wanted to be seen as anti-corruption champions. This happened at a time of deep differences over the constitutional review and the scandals, which posed one of the most serious threats to the PNU-ODM partnership. "Kibaki, like Odinga, also wants to be seen as spearheading anti-corruption actions, so one-upsmanship is at play. Members of Kibaki’s family may be involved in these or other corruption scandals. Kibaki may have calculated that sacrificing senior-level personnel short of ministers would be enough to placate the public," says the cable, referring to the suspension of officers in the ministries. "At the same time, Kibaki is likely to have been urged by Uhuru Kenyatta not to take action against Ruto since the two are working closely together, possibly with a view toward the 2012 presidential election." On Raila’s leadership, the ambassador says there is increasing disillusionment in the ODM camp, although he says critics’ views that he is in a weakened position are "wishful thinking". Writes Ranneberger: "The ODM seems both directionless and less united than before." Openly hostile He wrote that Ruto "has been openly hostile to Odinga and is working closely with the Kibaki side, so Kibaki has an interest in protecting Ruto. The corruption within the Ministry of Education likely reaches very senior levels on Kibaki’s side." The cable also reveals Ranneberger’s concerns over delays to the constitution-making process, after Raila raised objections to contentious issues that had been agreed on in the Naivasha meetings. Raila was opposed to a presidential system of government as agreed upon by a parliamentary select committee, in which his party and interests were represented. It says on February 12, soon after the agreement was clinched, the US Embassy learnt that Raila had held a meeting with advisers on renegotiating provisions on the contentious issues. When Ranneberger called Raila, he confirmed this was the case, saying the PSC had exceeded its mandate. "How could Odinga walk away from the agreement when Odinga’s top people are in the PSC and participated in the meetings under instructions from Odinga?" the Ambassador asked. "Odinga had no response to this, but nevertheless insisted that key provisions must be reopened," continues the cable. Ranneberger warned that the differences were causing ethnic tension, which could give rise to violence. He says: "Ruto certainly sees that as an option. Odinga knows that he does not have the votes in Parliament to support his actions (given that Ruto can control at least 12 or so MPs), and, therefore, may be tempted to see fomenting public unrest as his only option."
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Post by mosop on Mar 1, 2011 9:02:50 GMT 3
Raila is one dirty politician. He has been screaming that Ruto is a thief and yet he and his family were deeply involved in the maize scandal.
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Post by phil on Mar 1, 2011 10:16:57 GMT 3
As I have always maintained, the two principals are merchants of corruption. Even Obama government seems to understad what many in Jukwaa loath or fear to accept. The 'safi kama pamba' myth that does rounds here like 'salt in Karumaindo' has always been a figment of a fertile imagination aka mirage. The smoke has always been there for all to see.
Read on... Owuor The maize scandal was investigated by both the KACC and PriceWaterHouseCoopers'. KACC was so quick to clear everyone and it was only after the release of PwhC report, which incidentally was commissioned by the PM himself, that heads started rolling including those of senior officers at the OPM. That does not sound to me like someone who was trying to cover-up his family's involvement in the scam. There were numerous other names mentioned and some of those have already been cleared and resumed work. Remember Kibaki only suspended the PS's after Raila's own officers tendered their resignations. It was never the president's intention to suspend or sack anyone until the action by the PM. We all know why these stories have now come up. And from your perspective, you are making it sound as if it is illegal for a member of Odinga's family to trade or run a business in this country. I would be willing to listen to you if you could point out to me which of the private businesses that bought maize from NCPB were ever charged and convicted in court for doing anything illegal. Fidel Odinga, like his father and grandfather before him, is an astute businessman. He is within his rights to run a business and trade in all manner of things. I do not see anything corrupt or illegal in that. If he went to NCPB and he bought maize on the basis of willing buyer-willing seller arrangement, what is wrong with that? When all is said and done, what prevented William Ruto, the then Minister for Agriculture from stopping NCPB selling subsidized maize to private businessmen instead of producing cheap unga for the masses? The buck must stop somewhere and it can only be at the minister's doorstep. Let Bw Ruto also tell us under what circumstances an insurance company and a logistics company that he owns also got some maize to sell, and if it is not an outright violation of the law for a public officer to trade with the government while still serving in the same government. I still maintain, a story does not become true simply because Ranneberger said so. It does not become a fact because it has come from wikileaks. We have our own way of interrogating events and separating the truth from cheap political propaganda. |
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Post by owuor on Mar 1, 2011 10:50:58 GMT 3
Fidel Odinga, like his father and grandfather before him, is an astute businessman. He is within his rights to run a business and trade in all manner of things. I do not see anything corrupt or illegal in that. If he went to NCPB and he bought maize on the basis of willing buyer-willing seller arrangement, what is wrong with that? Phil Good admission that Fidel was involved in the maize scandal. I do not want to discuss this young man because his past of drug dealings and theft that had him kicked out of the USA is a matter of public knowledge. I dont expect him to have taken a 'saul paul' conversion just because his father is a PM. The fact that Raila tried to shield him by engaging in sideshows to divert attention from his family is what the good old ambassadeur was alluding to. This is what amuses me, Phil wants all and sundry to believe that Fidel is a clean and astute business man and all the other politicians involved in the maize scandal are bad. How crazy does that sound??  When all is said and done, what prevented William Ruto, the then Minister for Agriculture from stopping NCPB selling subsidized maize to private businessmen instead of producing cheap unga for the masses? The buck must stop somewhere and it can only be at the minister's doorstep. Let Bw Ruto also tell us under what circumstances an insurance company and a logistics company that he owns also got some maize to sell, and if it is not an outright violation of the law for a public officer to trade with the government while still serving in the same government. I still maintain, a story does not become true simply because Ranneberger said so. It does not become a fact because it has come from wikileaks. We have our own way of interrogating events and separating the truth from cheap political propaganda. As usual Phil you spin the facts and voila, Ruto is the culprit and the PM and his family remain 'safi kama pamba' even though they actively participated in the sleaze. For argument sake, we can equally ask why the PM did not stop his subordinates and that he should have taken responsibility for their actions just like Ruto..but as expected Phil doesnt look at things from that perspective. Its just sad.  Owuor |
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Post by destiny on Mar 1, 2011 11:01:11 GMT 3
Wikileaks claim Prime Minister Raila Odinga attempted to suspend former Agriculture Minister William Ruto to divert attention from his family’s involvement in the Sh2 billion maize scam
Diverting attention away from the public is a trick that politicians world over have used for centuries for their own selfish ends. When people suspect your popularity is slipping in the polls, you are losing local elections and a huge chunk of your MPs are against you, you quickly divert attention and claim your life is in danger from two Israeli Mossad hit-men!
The same leaks claim Kibaki's family was involved in the maize scam which could be true considering Mary Wambui's appetite for hard cash. But at least the Kibaki's know how to eat quietly without any sideshows or even blinking to try and divert attention no matter the amount of noise we make. The truth is that both sides of the coalition are deep in corruption right up to their eye balls.
Raila's other hypocrisy and distraction is constantly labelling Uhuru an alcoholic and a bhang smoker although he uses a coded language to say this. We are all grown ups, we know who he means when he stoops that low.
Raila should openly tell Kenyans if alcoholism has ever affected a member of his own family and if that person was admitted into a South African Rehab for months. I don't know whether Uhuru is an alcoholic but isn't alcoholism a disease for anyone to gloat about just for political mileage?
Uhuru himself has also been hammer and tongs against the PM calling him all sorts of childish names like Kimundu which means in Swahili Kimtu hiki.. among other matusis. Our siasa has sunk this low good people when we have millions living in abject poverty while our so called leaders pull mega scams.
Such is the hypocrisy our leaders live in and we have to call it out whenever we see it.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 1, 2011 11:03:55 GMT 3
Fidel Odinga, like his father and grandfather before him, is an astute businessman. He is within his rights to run a business and trade in all manner of things. I do not see anything corrupt or illegal in that. If he went to NCPB and he bought maize on the basis of willing buyer-willing seller arrangement, what is wrong with that? Phil So why should people ostracise Jomo's son Uhuru or the moribund Jimmy? Are they not within their rights to run businesses or trade in all manner of things? Would a little help from their parental backgrounds (including Fidels) be okay with you? That is how much you are spinning this one! |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 1, 2011 11:14:35 GMT 3
Fidel Odinga, like his father and grandfather before him, is an astute businessman. He is within his rights to run a business and trade in all manner of things. I do not see anything corrupt or illegal in that. If he went to NCPB and he bought maize on the basis of willing buyer-willing seller arrangement, what is wrong with that? Phil So why should people ostracise Jomo's son Uhuru or the moribund Jimmy? Are they not within their rights to run businesses or trade in all manner of things? Would a little help from their parental backgrounds (including Fidels) be okay with you? That is how much you are spinning this one! Kamalet OO explained it very well Once upon a time Nyani haoni kundule which roughly translated is rendered in English as: "The monkey cannot see its ass (bottom)". Apparently, the saying refers to a particular type of simian which has a scarlet behind. It is said that this monkey will laugh and laugh and laugh at a fellow monkey, pointing out in hilarity at the colour of its co-simian’s buttocks- totally oblivious to the fact that it too, has a kistobe or a madiaba of a similar hue. Apart from the literal translation, the saying nyani haoni kundule refers to those people who are quick to flash the finger of blame at others forgetting the four fingers pointing backwards at them. For the Christians in my virtual online audience, the closet rendition is evoked by the admonition by Jesus about seeing what in someone else’s eye while overlooking an even bigger blemish in one's own. Nyani, kweli, haoni KUNDULE!! |
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Post by kipfirimbi on Mar 1, 2011 11:16:27 GMT 3
Raila is one dirty politician. He has been screaming that Ruto is a thief and yet he and his family were deeply involved in the maize scandal. I was going to scream my voice hoarse: toboa! toboa! but am miffed. whats new? old recyled and irrelevant , otherwise why was the guy nor any members of his family reigned in the courts? there was mollases, then this one never that held sway either. Arap Samoe...is jumping from one court to another? |
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Post by kamalet on Mar 1, 2011 11:22:24 GMT 3
Raila is one dirty politician. He has been screaming that Ruto is a thief and yet he and his family were deeply involved in the maize scandal. I was going to scream my voice hoarse: toboa! toboa! but am miffed. whats new? old recyled and irrelevant , otherwise why was the guy nor any members of his family reigned in the courts? there was mollases, then this one never that held sway either. Arap Samoe...is jumping from one court to another? Kipwhatever, Is Raila's case blocking investigations into his family's acquisition still not pending in court? Remember this? |
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Post by kipfirimbi on Mar 1, 2011 13:02:39 GMT 3
I was going to scream my voice hoarse: toboa! toboa! but am miffed. whats new? old recyled and irrelevant , otherwise why was the guy nor any members of his family reigned in the courts? there was mollases, then this one never that held sway either. Arap Samoe...is jumping from one court to another? Kipwhatever, Is Raila's case blocking investigations into his family's acquisition still not pending in court? Remember this? I know, i know...its Kipfirimbi. Age could be getting the better of your memory.Pole. I have heard of this statement you have mentioned before...Lets wait for the day he will be reigned in court for corruption...damn you maybe waiting for eternity for that one. Meanwhile Samoei would be hope step jumping from one court to the next to hague. I know , i know. |
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Post by mank on Mar 2, 2011 1:05:04 GMT 3
....otherwise why was the guy nor any members of his family reigned in the courts? there was mollases, then this one never that held sway either.
Arap Samoe...is jumping from one court to another? |
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Post by kipfirimbi on Mar 2, 2011 3:59:26 GMT 3
....otherwise why was the guy nor any members of his family reigned in the courts? there was mollases, then this one never that held sway either.
Arap Samoe...is jumping from one court to another? First and foremost the thread header is talking about Raila’s family not himself per se! Ok. Back to point you have brought forth! All animals should be equal under the rule of the law. In the group of the equals more than others, there still exist i nequality I tell you. Do you really think and believe that for a moment the table banging, Vote of no confidence shouting hungry pack PNU KKK maniacs would spare Raila from a court litigation on corruption? Both with close access to state house? Merely because he was more of a higher grade jangili? Do you think these guys would blink if they had anything worth talking about to bring Raila down if they had such access? Do you really?? Come on Man K. You aren’t that gullible are you now? Stop this naivety I know you know that its all shambles here. These are juvenility trying to muddy water for Raila at all cost and it always to futility. In regards to Nyayo, Jomo and infact anyone else Ruto aside, I want to forewarn that with proper mechanisms in place some of these guys will be crying in three -four years time….wembe ni ule ule: the new constitution and it will cut both ways! |
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Post by mank on Mar 2, 2011 7:53:15 GMT 3
c Mank,
First and foremost the thread header is talking about Raila’s family not himself per se! Ok. Chances are that if his family was into anything they were into it through him. So its hard to think of his family on a case and him off it. ..... Do you really think and believe that for a moment the table banging, Vote of no confidence shouting hungry pack PNU KKK maniacs would spare Raila from a court litigation on corruption? Both with close access to state house? Merely because he was more of a higher grade jangili? Do you think these guys would blink if they had anything worth talking about to bring Raila down if they had such access? Do you really?? Come on Man K. You aren’t that gullible are you now? kipfirimbi, I actually believe they would spare him ... not because they love or pity him, but because they would otherwise be opening cans of worms on themselves. Here at Jukwaa we can convince ourselves that these guys will fight bare knucles, but they are united by what they have in their closets - so when you expect them to be fighting they may actually be covering for each other. Table banging goes only so far ... it is very controlled. |
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Post by kipfirimbi on Mar 2, 2011 8:42:18 GMT 3
c Mank,
First and foremost the thread header is talking about Raila’s family not himself per se! Ok. Chances are that if his family was into anything they were into it through him. So its hard to think of his family on a case and him off it. ..... Do you really think and believe that for a moment the table banging, Vote of no confidence shouting hungry pack PNU KKK maniacs would spare Raila from a court litigation on corruption? Both with close access to state house? Merely because he was more of a higher grade jangili? Do you think these guys would blink if they had anything worth talking about to bring Raila down if they had such access? Do you really?? Come on Man K. You aren’t that gullible are you now? kipfirimbi, I actually believe they would spare him ... not because they love or pity him, but because they would otherwise be opening cans of worms on themselves. Here at Jukwaa we can convince ourselves that these guys will fight bare knucles, but they are united by what they have in their closets - so when you expect them to be fighting they may actually be covering for each other. Table banging goes only so far ... it is very controlled. Man K , Can you agree that you are basing your theories on "IFs", "CHANCES" "MAYBE""BELIEVE", these are mere probabilities that dont count. Since nothing can be substanciated otherwise factually, we would both a gree to wait for the day the guy will be reigned in courts, i know its a dream that could hardly manifest itself into reality ( I actually opinioned to mzee kamalet that he will be waiting for a long time for this day to arrive) And am glad in your "opinion" table banging only goes so far and is controlled. Mate what a world where table banging is for show only? |
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Post by owuor on Mar 2, 2011 10:30:53 GMT 3
Do you really think and believe that for a moment the table banging, Vote of no confidence shouting hungry pack PNU KKK maniacs would spare Raila from a court litigation on corruption? Both with close access to state house? Merely because he was more of a higher grade jangili? Do you think these guys would blink if they had anything worth talking about to bring Raila down if they had such access? Do you really?? Come on Man K. You aren’t that gullible are you now? I dont know whether to cry or laugh. How can one conclude that since the opinion poll president has not been arraigned in court in handcaffs that he is a clean man? Come on guys, its okey to defend your favourite politician but surely lets not be that desperate. The same argument can be used by those across the political divide. PS: Is this guy not privy to the many court cases that has face the PM? I dont even want to go there. Owuor |
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Post by mank on Mar 2, 2011 18:25:14 GMT 3
c Chances are that if his family was into anything they were into it through him. So its hard to think of his family on a case and him off it. kipfirimbi, I actually believe they would spare him ... not because they love or pity him, but because they would otherwise be opening cans of worms on themselves. Here at Jukwaa we can convince ourselves that these guys will fight bare knucles, but they are united by what they have in their closets - so when you expect them to be fighting they may actually be covering for each other. Table banging goes only so far ... it is very controlled. Since nothing can be substanciated otherwise factually, we would both a gree to wait for the day the guy will be reigned in courts, i know its a dream that could hardly manifest itself into reality ( I actually opinioned to mzee kamalet that he will be waiting for a long time for this day to arrive) And am glad in your "opinion" table banging only goes so far and is controlled. Mate what a world where table banging is for show only? The main item here is the disclosure by Wikileaks. It is not my theories based on "IFs". My theories based on "IFs" are only to challenge your partisan logic in the attempt to defend the "safi kama pamba" rhetoric. You are just about to loop this discussion back into a circle. If a Wikileaks disclosure that threatens to taint Raila has to be trashed on the bases that Raila has not been arraigned in court, what about all the offenses alleged against Moi, Kenyatta and others that have had the power to eat the "mkate"? Should Kenya apologize for defamation? |
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Post by mank on Mar 2, 2011 23:50:29 GMT 3
c Mank,
First and foremost the thread header is talking about Raila’s family not himself per se! Ok. Chances are that if his family was into anything they were into it through him. So its hard to think of his family on a case and him off it. ..... Do you really think and believe that for a moment the table banging, Vote of no confidence shouting hungry pack PNU KKK maniacs would spare Raila from a court litigation on corruption? Both with close access to state house? Merely because he was more of a higher grade jangili? Do you think these guys would blink if they had anything worth talking about to bring Raila down if they had such access? Do you really?? Come on Man K. You aren’t that gullible are you now? kipfirimbi, I actually believe they would spare him ... not because they love or pity him, but because they would otherwise be opening cans of worms on themselves. Here at Jukwaa we can convince ourselves that these guys will fight bare knucles, but they are united by what they have in their closets - so when you expect them to be fighting they may actually be covering for each other. ...My ink did'nt even dry yet: Wikileaks: Principals accused of covering up scandals As you can see, while these guys seemed to fight in every way and cooperate in none, they were in the same choir tied by the chord of what they would not like you to know about them and their deeds. |
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Post by kipfirimbi on Mar 3, 2011 2:18:00 GMT 3
c Chances are that if his family was into anything they were into it through him. So its hard to think of his family on a case and him off it. kipfirimbi, I actually believe they would spare him ... not because they love or pity him, but because they would otherwise be opening cans of worms on themselves. Here at Jukwaa we can convince ourselves that these guys will fight bare knucles, but they are united by what they have in their closets - so when you expect them to be fighting they may actually be covering for each other. ...My ink did'nt even dry yet: Wikileaks: Principals accused of covering up scandals As you can see, while these guys seemed to fight in every way and cooperate in none, they were in the same choir tied by the chord of what they would not like you to know about them and their deeds. Stupid lopsided DN headlines and you know what justice this is suposed to serve while duping the masses...equally share blame...50/50... if you cannot see propaganda war with this headline, fine...The content of the article explains the gist of the matter better if you care to read further..... Mank my parting shot thus; IF Raila and his family have commited corruption of sorts i dont give a rat's ass LET's HOPE THAT ule wembe will cut them thus some day... its not my gain to propagate nor fight for his cause,i am not a Railamaniac!!!! I dont really care. If he were charged and sent to Jail, the sun will still rise, i will still be hussling, making love eating out of my sweat and i will still be breathing! Period. But all these sideshows are hot air until someone has proof we are talking and arguing on nothings!Its happened before and it will always fall flat on its face! Pole! Meanwhile in the real world,the other animals more equal than others, who have committed crimes and it doesnt matter how unequal they are to the rest, the law is catching up with them fat asses,watch: HK, Ruto, your buddy Uhuru and et al...that is reality and not hair air...these are animals more equal than others but feeling the heat! That is REAL TALK pal sio this boring Raila maize, Raila Mollasess!! |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 3, 2011 4:17:06 GMT 3
Mank my parting shot thus; IF Raila and his family have commited corruption of sorts i dont give a rat's ass LET's HOPE THAT ule wembe will cut them thus some day... its not my gain to propagate nor fight for his cause,i am not a Railamaniac!!!! I dont really care. If he were charged and sent to Jail, the sun will still rise, i will still be hussling, making love eating out of my sweat and i will still be breathing! Period. But all these sideshows are hot air until someone has proof we are talking and arguing on nothings!Its happened before and it will always fall flat on its face! Pole!
Meanwhile in the real world,the other animals more equal than others, who have committed crimes and it doesnt matter how unequal they are to the rest, the law is catching up with them fat asses,watch: HK, Ruto, your buddy Uhuru and et al...that is reality and not hair air...these are animals more equal than others but feeling the heat! That is REAL TALK pal sio this boring Raila maize, Raila Mollasess!! Well said Panuarers have been yelling at the top of their shrill voices, 'tis or that' about the Rt Hon Prime Minister. The anatomy of the maize saga is not that difficult to dissect and see who did what. The Panuarers are been setting traps for this man and his family for a long time now. They are desperately waiting for the proverbial 'other shoe to fall'. Wapi. But if indeed the Rt Hon Prime Ministers family did something illegal, I am all for them to go to court and be charged accordingly. I think the current lame duck P.O.R.K has lots of skeletons in his closet, for which he actually did sign some papers, be it Ken Ren the factory that never was (as kiraitu would say) or Halal meat, or the massacre in Wagallah. These he has direct input. His buddies then pulled of AF scandal (that never was yet monies were being returned and Githongo urged to ngo srow), CID labs to mention just a few. And the most infamous of all was his stealing of the 2007 elections, and then having his buddies kill innocent Kenyans, who were only asking to be left alone and congregate and protest to as per their god given rights. Is there a more despicable human being? I doubt This is a man who we dont know exactly what happened to his OWN father, this is a man who publicly disowned his own girl, his wife and gave them as ransom to the mamlukis arturs. Is there NOT anything that is sacrosanct to him and his mafiya? I think he will go down as the worst of the P.O.R.Ks, even kipkorios was not this callous. At least he spared the Nation of shame, even if he looted it. He did not kill as many folks as this lame duck P.O.R.K from othaya. Just name single gratifying thing about his regime and I will counter with 20 against! bure kabisa |
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Post by mank on Mar 3, 2011 7:06:48 GMT 3
My ink did'nt even dry yet: Wikileaks: Principals accused of covering up scandals As you can see, while these guys seemed to fight in every way and cooperate in none, they were in the same choir tied by the chord of what they would not like you to know about them and their deeds. Stupid lopsided DN headlines and you know what justice this is suposed to serve while duping the masses...equally share blame...50/50... if you cannot see propaganda war with this headline, fine...The content of the article explains the gist of the matter better if you care to read further..... Mank my parting shot thus; IF Raila and his family have commited corruption of sorts i dont give a rat's ass LET's HOPE THAT ule wembe will cut them thus some day... its not my gain to propagate nor fight for his cause,i am not a Railamaniac!!!! I dont really care. If he were charged and sent to Jail, the sun will still rise, i will still be hussling, making love eating out of my sweat and i will still be breathing! Period. But all these sideshows are hot air until someone has proof we are talking and arguing on nothings!Its happened before and it will always fall flat on its face! Pole! Meanwhile in the real world,the other animals more equal than others, who have committed crimes and it doesnt matter how unequal they are to the rest, the law is catching up with them fat asses,watch: HK, Ruto, your buddy Uhuru and et al...that is reality and not hair air...these are animals more equal than others but feeling the heat! That is REAL TALK pal sio this boring Raila maize, Raila Mollasess!! Oh, now it is DN, not wikileaks? But when the subject is not Raila we see wikileaks, siyo? For me in this topic Kip, its not about molasses or this or that - I don't usually care to follow those politics, as I know they end giving us nothing. For me it is about this selective treatment of info. When it is Kibaki or Uhuru .... "guilty". when it is Raila, "oh no, look who wrote". You sound like someone who should not be so content with that practice, yet you are right smack into it. As you say, let wembe uwe ule ule! We either like wikileaks, or we don't. Siyo to like it when it is on Kibaki and Uhuru's hinds, and to hate it when it is on Railas. Kwani Raila ana nini? |
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Post by owuor on Mar 3, 2011 7:14:53 GMT 3
Its sad to see how desperate some fellows are, trying to protect their opinion poll president and as usual they drag the old tired song of mafiya this, mamluki, othayan etc like they have done in other gazillion threads in Jukwaaa just to try divert the heat from their 'prince' of impunity. While they attack this specific wikireport with all the e-arsenals they can lay their hands on, the other wiki reports that purports the sitting president was involved in sleaze are embraced as gospel truth.
Its sad that in the 21st century, some people can be this gullible.
However, its a free world and those who cannot see the light even if its shone directly to their eyes are a lost cause.
Owuor
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Post by kipfirimbi on Mar 3, 2011 7:48:22 GMT 3
Its sad to see how desperate some fellows are, trying to protect their opinion poll president and as usual they drag the old tired song of mafiya this, mamluki, othayan etc like they have done in other gazillion threads in Jukwaaa just to try divert the heat from their 'prince' of impunity. While they attack this specific wikireport with all the e-arsenals they can lay their hands on, the other wiki reports that purports the sitting president was involved in sleaze are embraced as gospel truth. Its sad that in the 21st century, some people can be this gullible. However, its a free world and those who cannot see the light even if its shone directly to their eyes are a lost cause.Owuor Alas! And are you sure you seen the light lad? |
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Post by owuor on Mar 3, 2011 14:57:27 GMT 3
The accuracy of wikileaks is a concern only when the defacto Mr. Opinion Poll President and his family is adversely mentioned in connection with sleaze and graft.
Otherwise, wikileaks is as factual and dependable as any bank loan collateral.
Only in Kenya lol...
Owuor
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Post by owuor on Mar 4, 2011 13:59:28 GMT 3
Its sad to see how desperate some fellows are, trying to protect their opinion poll president and as usual they drag the old tired song of mafiya this, mamluki, othayan etc like they have done in other gazillion threads in Jukwaaa just to try divert the heat from their 'prince' of impunity. While they attack this specific wikireport with all the e-arsenals they can lay their hands on, the other wiki reports that purports the sitting president was involved in sleaze are embraced as gospel truth. Its sad that in the 21st century, some people can be this gullible. However, its a free world and those who cannot see the light even if its shone directly to their eyes are a lost cause.Owuor Alas! And are you sure you seen the light lad? Nice try. |
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