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Post by job on Mar 2, 2011 22:57:06 GMT 3
DID UHURU KENYATTA KILL A POTENTIAL ICC WITNESS?There have been serious threats against potential witnesses of the ICC (Hague), but we now also know there has been murder too. Top suspects like Uhuru, Muthaura and Ruto, are reported to have been directing a serious campaign to intimidate potential witnesses.As Wikileaks cables now reveal, the November 2009 street-assassination of Mungiki spokesman Njuguna Gitau by reported undercover police officers on a busy Nairobi street, is directly linked to ICC’s witness protection subject. According to Wikileaks cables, Gitau may have been the lynchpin that channeled funding from Uhuru Kenyatta during the latter’s sponsoring of Mungiki retaliatory murders and violence during the post-election violence. With that murder went down one high-priority witness with a "smoking gun" testimony. Other witnesses must be guaranteed real protection if this ICC thing is to succeed. One of the dipolomatic dispatches from the US Embassy captures kenya's dilemma:Minister for Justice and Constitutional Affairs Mutula
Kilonzo has publicly acknowledged receiving "bundles" of letters
from post-election violence witnesses reporting intimidation, many
of whom testified before the Waki Commission, and who have
therefore already attracted unwelcome attention from post-election
violence inciters and organizers.
While Kilonzo notes that threats
will complicate any prosecution of post-election violence suspects,
he continues to argue that he is powerless to protect them and
accuses Attorney General Amos Wako, who is responsible for
oversight of the witness protection program, of failing to fulfill
his duties. (Note: Wako was recently subjected to 212f visa
sanctions for his role in several high-level corruption cases, and
does not appear to feel any sense of urgency with regard to his
witness protection mandate.
Kilonzo's suggestion that he has no ability to realize implementation of the
witness protection program is disingenuous at best. End note). The bold truth is that successful investigation and prosecution of (esp) Uhuru Kenyatta and Francis Muthaura by Ocampo (the ICC) requires the FULL COOPERATION of the Kenyan government - which will not happen precisely because the two are at the very apex and center of that government. The last few weeks have actually proved that Uhuru Kenyatta is in fact the de facto leader of Kenya under this lame-duck closing-moment of Kibaki's tenure. Uhuru is the behind-the-scene director of Kibaki's own political realignments. Uhuru makes the picks for crucial appointments announced by Kibaki. Uhuru has gained the support and endorsement of the Gikuyu elite, vigorously fearful of ceding power to political rivals (Uhuru's endorsement by the Gikuyu glitterati was publicly espoused by John Michuki).This de facto (and behind-the scene) leader of Kenya (Uhuru) has proved that his priority is to save himself from ICC prosecution. Using his vantage as Finance Minister, the now boldly-assertive and foul-tempered Uhuru Kenyatta, has been misallocating large amounts of Kenyan public resources in the singular bid to frustrate ICC prosecution of PEV. Part of Uhuru's directives have involved the FORCEFUL DISPATCH of Kalonzo Musyoka on the back-firing shuttle diplomacy mission across African capitals (like recently besieged Cairo and Tripoli) to mobilize anti-ICC sentiments and galvanize AU support for deferral of Kenya's case. Another of Uhuru's fingerprints was Kibaki's faux-pas in the nominations of the next Chief Justice, Attorney General, DPP and DoB.Uhuru's Tango with Ruto - in wrenching off Henry Kosgey and Sally Kosgei from mainstream ODM (using threats of prosecution for corruption) is another of his latest handiwork. ODM Ministers Charity Ngilu and Musalia Mudavadi are still being "processed" along similar lines.Does anyone now realize the unseen force that has been remotely feeding PLO Lumumba's in-tray at KACC? No wonder PLO's appointment was swiftly confirmed by Parliament.
Uhuru (helped by Ruto) have similarly been coordinating the publicly unpopular Parliamentary effort to effort to pull Kenya out of ICC. Their string of 'successes' bolstered by the parliamentary numbers of impunity footsoldiers has definitely emboldened them, and rejuvenated the perceived indomitability of their coordinated 2012 presidential bid. Back to their joint role in stone-walling ICC probe of PEV. Uhuru, Muthaura and Ruto are doing everything possible to kill Kenya's cooperation with ICC. They have certainly appreciated the reality that successful ICC prosecution requires some degree of cooperation with the local government. This is why Uhuru and Muthaura are clinging at the heart of government - to prevent cooperation. Crucial aspects of this cooperation involve WITNESS PROTECTION and ASSET FREEZING/PROPERTY SEIZURES. ICC does not have its own witness protection but relies on cooperation from member states.Keeping witnesses alive and safe will be the cornerstone of successful prosecution of the high-flying suspects like Uhuru, Ruto and Muthaura. Uhuru is Kenya’s Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance. Francis Muthaura is the head of Kenya’s civil service (& also secretary to the cabinet). How could ICC receive cooperation regarding say - the freezing of assets of Muthaura - if the instructions to do so essentially have to pass through the same Muthaura? How could witnesses be guaranteed protection if everything regarding the witness protection program (funding, passing amendments to the Witness Protection Act 2010, etc) all revolve around Uhuru and Muthaura?Witnesses are being killed and intimidated. Besides Gitau’s murder, former AP Deputy Commandant Oki Kaunya has also received death threats prompting his exile – facilitated by foreign diplomats cooperating with ICC. Muthaura has singularly stone-walled the ICC-requested taking of statements from Security chiefs during the PEV. Uhuru and Ruto have mobilized parliamentary numbers to prevent the amendment of the Witness Protection Law to give it more independence, teeth and capacity. Uhuru is on full gear ready to hand-pick (on behalf of Kibaki), his own cousin Githu Muigai, to be Kenya’s next Attorney General, which would give him the bonus of having a first-hand account and details of witnesses enrolled in the witness protection program. The Witness Protection program is under the AG’s office. Does anyone in this world think any witness protection program carried out under Githu Muigai would be credible in guaranteeing safety to witnesses slated to testify against Githu’s own cousin (& de facto employer) Uhuru Kenyatta? Under Kenya’s current Witness Protection Act, the Witness Protection Unit is headed by an Uhuru-Kenyatta stooge called Alice Ondieki and the unit falls under the AG. Security is provided by the rotten and corrupt Kenya Police and AG has to directly give approval for anyone to enter the program. The program is also directly funded by Uhuru Kenyatta, through a line item in the budget of the Ministry of Justice. This program is too closely linked to Uhuru, Muthaura and the existing security forces. How can such a system protect a suspect set to testify against Uhuru Kenyatta or Francis Muthaura? The impunity merchants are slowly grabbing back Kenya away from the reform path. All systems are being set to work for their individual interests and protection, not for common good. They are derailing implementation of the new constitution and deliberately triggering instability. Their latest language is laced with tribal epithets and slurs aimed at stoking ethnic divisions. The ICC Prosecutor must be finding it quite FRUSTRATING and EXPENSIVE to successfully investigate and prosecute GOVERNMENT-INSIDER suspects in Kenya who have their hands in KENYA’S PUBLIC PURSE. Britain recently donated some paltry £200,000 ($311,945) to the ICC Registrar to specifically offer protection to witnesses of PEV slated to testify at the ICC. Truth is – it’s not enough. As Ocampo continues probing Kenya's PEV, preparing witnesses, and awaiting Pre-Trial Chamber II Judges decision on his request for summonses, the ICC Prosecutor must do one more thing - investigate who killed the potential ICC witness and former Mungiki spokesman, Njuguna Gitau.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 3, 2011 4:40:52 GMT 3
That jomo jnr would kill to protect his interests is not suprising.
Its in the genes.
Snr sent njenga to liquidate TJM, JMK, and others. Kina Seroney were dealt with. Shikuku too.
Dont forget that Snr's aides also killed scores in Kisumu, and he never went back to Nyanza mpaka his soul went to purgatory on its way for a rendezvous with lucifer.
and we know the tract record of his god father the lame duck P.O.R.K - 12000, young men killed in the name of mungiki, 1500 killed P.E.V, MPs killed under his watch. Civic NGO leaders killed by his police, many maimed by his police. The list goes on and on.
jomo jnrs recent angry tirade, banging tables, calling folks kehee, and sneering at their mothers eti Hague ni kwa nina, his red tortured eyes blazing hot, while spit foams at the corners of his mouth, exposed him for what he truly is. An incorrigible self entitled bully.
And guess who they want to label as violent?
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 3, 2011 6:05:51 GMT 3
Job
Well reported, yes Kenyans are very intelligent but the impunity goons think ati Kenyans are asleep, the example lies in the line-up list of appointees from Kibaki/Uhuru "IMPUNITY OF THE HIGHEST LEVEL"
The tell tale sign was when UHURU KENYATTA'S COUSIN cousin GITHU MUIGAI , was appointed to be Kenya’s next Attorney General " it was like telling OCAMPO TO "FO" but guess what the new born Kenya was awake.. and the impunity was stopped.
BEHIND THE SCENES SOURCES SAY UHURU, RUTO & CO HAVE MORE SINISTER PLANS WHICH MIGHT BRING CHAOS TO KENYA.. I WONDER WHAT IT IS? GOD HELP KENYA THIS THUGS NEED TO BE MOVED TO HAGUE WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT BEFORE THEY CAUSE ANYMORE DAMAGE IN KENYA.
BY READING THIS SEGMENT FROM WIKI-LEAKS- KENYANS SHOULD BE VERY WORRIED OF WHAT LIES AHEAD FROM THIS UHURU/RUTO/KIBAKI COMBO BEFORE 2012.. OPPS.. I HOPE THE OTHER TWO WILL BE AT THE ICC..
WIKILEAKS
Potential Kenyetta-Ruto Alliance
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¶7. (C) Ruto has made a number of private visits to StateHouse in recent months, and he and Kenyatta are in close
contact. They worked together behind the scenes to ensure
defeat of the special tribunal bill. One rationale for
cooperation is the importance they attach to promoting the
welfare of their respective ethnic communities (Kenyatta,s
Kikuyu community in Central Province and Ruto,s Kalenjin
community in Rift Valley) in order to avoid a repeat of what
happened last year during the post-election violence.
Although tensions between the Kalenjin and Kikuyu communities
remain high and make an alliance problematic, the political
imperatives driving potential cooperation between Kenyatta
and Ruto cannot be dismissed.(Some of the thinking runs along
these lines: an alliance among the Kalenjins, Kikuyus, and
the Kambas assures a winning majority. In the event of
violence in response to such a victory, such violence could
be contained to PM Odinga,s Luo ethnic community in Nyanza
Province and to his supporters in Nairobi,s Kibera slum.)
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 3, 2011 6:23:24 GMT 3
MORE FROM WIKILEAKS - AMBASSADOR Ranneberger- NARRATIVE CONTINUES- 9. (S) According to an Embassy source, elements of the Kikuyu-dominated Party of National Unity (PNU) are backing the so-called "Forest Guard" militia, which includes Mungiki members and is being organized and led by retired General H.W. Njoroge, former Commandant of the National Defense College. Njoroge has reportedly put pressure on current Kenya Army Commander, Lieutenant General Augustino Njoroge (no known relation) to release G3 rifles and provide helicopter support to the Forest Guard. H.W. Njoroge is allegedly being assisted by retired Brigadier General Peter Ikenya, who is acting as Chief of Staff for the effort.This movement is reportedly receiving funding from a number of [ color=Red]Kikuyu businessmen, including a Solomon Karanja and Steven Mbugwa. [/color][/b] Mbugwa is said to be running fund raising and other financial support operations out of his business Muthaiga, Nairobi[/b] KISUMU POLICE: PPO'S ORDERS FROM THE TOP " KIBAKI & MUTHAURA ¶12. (C) On top of this came news last week from police sources that the PPO issued a stunning directive to his Station Commanders telling them that during any future political protests in the region, deadly force is immediately authorized. He further assured the officers that any query as to the nature of the death or injury resulting from this order should be directed to him personally and that he would support the "victimized" officers.
AND HERE IT SHOW'S NOT ONLY DID THEY HAVE ENOUGH INNOCENT LUO'S KILLED BUT THEY HAD ORDERED MORE LIVE AMMUNITION TO CONTINUE THE SLAUGHTER IF THE TALKS BETWEEN ODM & PNU DID NOT FALL THROUGH? THIS PEOPLE ARE MURDERERS THEY BELONG IN JAIL.. ¶13. (C) Subsequently, an Embassy FSN Investigator based in Kisumu reported that a consignment of live ammunition, allegedly received from Israel, had recently been received in Kisumu, and that 30 Kenyan Army troops had arrived in the city on February 21, to be joined within days by an additional 100 KPS/General Service Unit (GSU) personnel. These movements could be seen as prudent reinforcement on the part of the Kenyan Government, as KPS was unable to control the violence that erupted after the elections in early January. On the other hand, it could be an indication that the government does not expect the peace talks to succeed and is readying for a violent crackdown in that event. In response to the order to use live ammunition, the Ambassador wrote February 22 to Police Commissioner Ali to express U.S. concern about any such change in the rules of engagement for police in dealing with unrest. Text of this letter follows below in para 16.
LETTER TO POLICE COMMISSIONER ALI IN REGARDS TO THE LIVE MUNITION TRANSPORTED TO KISUMU WHILE THE TALKS BETWEEN KIBAKI "PNU"& RAILA "ODM" WERE STILL GOING AFTER THE RIGGED ELECTIONS!!NAIROBI 00000574 004 OF 004 Commissioner Ali follows below:
Dear Commissioner Ali:
I would like to take this opportunity to first commend you and the vast majority of police professionals in the Kenya Police Service (KPS) for your efforts over the past few months in maintaining law and order during this most trying time in Kenya's history. I have been encouraged by the numerous reports received of KPS leadership effectively and peacefully engaging large gatherings, resulting in no injuries to the populace at the hands of authorities or the public. I also applaud all efforts to investigate and hold accountable all persons involved in inciting violence during this time, whether civilian or civil servant. However, we have recently become aware that certain officers in
charge have directed personnel under their command that "the
immediate use of deadly force is authorized to quell any and all new
political protests". Obviously, reports of this nature are both alarming and contrary to established rules of engagement and, in the spirit of true cooperation, I feel compelled to bring this to your immediate attention, as we have enjoyed a tremendous partnership across an array of law enforcement and security issues. Consequently, we believe that the established rules of engagement and situation-specific circumstances should continue to dictate the minimal use of deadly force. We trust that you will continue to address this issue with the urgency and importance it merits. Sincerely,
End text.
RannebergerMY QUESTION TO RANNEBERGER IS WHY DIDN'T HE ASK ABOUT THE LIVE AMMUNITION THAT HE TALKED ABOUT IN THIS CABLE? TRANSPORTED TO KISUMU RIGHT WHEN THE NEGOTIATIONS WERE STILL GOING ON? SOMETHING DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WITH THIS AMBASSADOR! THERE IS MORE THAN MEETS THE EYES!!
wikileaks.l0cal.com/cable/2008/02/08NAIROBI574.html
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 3, 2011 8:06:44 GMT 3
Its clear why the Panua guys have stocked the security forces with their kinsmen prior to the election and subsequent to that. NCIS/CID etc are headed by them.
They have torn asunder the fabric of the Nation
And yet they still wanna control the same Nation they have driven to the ditch!
Njoroge gives orders to the other Njoroge to kill ODMers while jomo jnr and mbugua and karanja fund fund the operation.
Sad indeed.
Tribalism climbed several notches during this dastardly regime
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Post by job on Mar 3, 2011 16:56:48 GMT 3
It is clear why nominations to the Judiciary will continue being fiercely contentious. Uhuru wouldn't wish to be probed for Njuguna Gitau's assasination. Pressure is also being put by the elite backers of the "Forest Guard" and Mungiki who are afraid of an independent local tribunal that would probe such events as this one (below) splashed by the Wikileaks (with names to boot). No wonder an insider AG and pliant CJ are BADLY needed within certain circles led by Uhuru Kenyatta. No wonder the panic. It's all fear of real Justice. Even the myth that the military stayed in their Baracks during PEV is finally debunked...according to the US Embassy, some select soldiers under command of Gen. Njoroge and Brig. Gen. Ikenye were busy air-raiding their own civilians as in Sadam Hussein's Iraq...let these revelations keep trickling out. According to an Embassy source, elements of the
Kikuyu-dominated Party of National Unity (PNU) are backing the
so-called "Forest Guard" militia, which includes Mungiki members and
is being organized and led by retired General H.W. Njoroge, former
Commandant of the National Defense College. Njoroge has reportedly
put pressure on current Kenya Army Commander, Lieutenant General
Augustino Njoroge (no known relation) to release G3 rifles and
provide helicopter support to the Forest Guard. H.W. Njoroge is
allegedly being assisted by retired Brigadier General Peter Ikenya, who is acting as Chief of Staff for the effort. This movement is
reportedly receiving funding from a number of Kikuyu businessmen,
including a Solomon Karanja and Steven Mbugwa. Mbugwa is said to be
running fund raising and other financial support operations out of
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Post by mzee on Mar 3, 2011 17:37:38 GMT 3
Job,
Thanks for the above. This issue is very explosive and might even be the last nail in Uhurus political coffin. These are allegations which if proven can send Uhuru to the Hague for the rest of his life.
There is something else here. Its looks as if there is an effort on the part of Uhuru "not to die alone" hence is recent (mis)behavior in public. Even though G Njoroge of mungiki is gone, his followers are still around. Incase a credible local tribunal is instituted, Njoroges followers might come out en mass and pour their hearts out for they will feel having been used.
Uhuru on the other hand is telling the retired generals, who helped him kill people that he wont be going down alone hence his erratic behavior in public. He has completely panicked.
Remember that the principals have agreed on the issue advertising for the post of CJ but we have not yet heard anything as far as the AG is concerned. My opinion is that PANU is looking for a way of bulldozing Uhurus cousin Muigai (PhD) into the position of AG. RAO must watch out. Kenyans must watch out. ODM must not sleep. This is high octane politics.
All the bulldozing is to be done in the name of saving one Uhuru Kenyatta. Ruto does not feature in PANUs thoughts as far as the above is concerned, not for a moment, even though he might think so. The circumstances, however, might find him at the right place at the right time or vis-a-vis.
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Post by tom on Mar 3, 2011 17:43:02 GMT 3
JobYour input on Forest guard is pretty scary. I see it as a well crafted plot by the mafioso to initiate artificial turmoil in the country in support of the Ocampo 2 (Uhuru and Muthaura). Forget Ruto! He is a tissue paper that will serve its purpose like lady Martha and then be flashed down the manholes. They will use this plan B as the excuse to seek the ICC deferrals, given that they have not been able to so far demonstrate solid reasons why they seek it. They will then argue their case about regional stability. But can that work for them? This could also mean mobilisation of forces in readiness to deal with a Raila presidency. This may sound far-fetched, but when you dig up the archives and come up with things like THESE , which to-date have not been renounced and no apologies offered too, the foggy picture begins to clear up.
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Post by job on Mar 4, 2011 8:44:08 GMT 3
JobYour input on Forest guard is pretty scary. I see it as a well crafted plot by the mafioso to initiate artificial turmoil in the country in support of the Ocampo 2 (Uhuru and Muthaura). Forget Ruto! He is a tissue paper that will serve its purpose like lady Martha and then be flashed down the manholes. They will use this plan B as the excuse to seek the ICC deferrals, given that they have not been able to so far demonstrate solid reasons why they seek it. They will then argue their case about regional stability. But can that work for them? This could also mean mobilisation of forces in readiness to deal with a Raila presidency. This may sound far-fetched, but when you dig up the archives and come up with things like THESE , which to-date have not been renounced and no apologies offered too, the foggy picture begins to clear up. Tom, The link you provided above doesn't open...try fix it. Job |
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Post by Titchaz on Mar 5, 2011 4:01:19 GMT 3
Wow!!!...this is some powerful historical anecdote!..As they say "History repeats itself"...  When a black Kenyan these days says, "I'm going to Gatundu for a cup of tea," his friends know that it may be a cover-up for something else. Gatundu is the residence of Kenya's President Jomo Kenyatta, and "tea drinking" is really oath swearing. Unlike the tribesmen who swore secret oaths to join the Mau Mau rebellion against foreigners in the 1950s, Kikuyu by the thousands are swearing oaths against fellow Kenyans in the President's backyard. This ominous new outbreak of tribal tension was set off by last month's assassination of Tom Mboya, who was the Minister of Economic Planning and Development in the predominantly Kikuyu government. Mboya was a member of the Luo tribe, a rival of the Kikuyu. The arrested suspect is a Kikuyu. In addition to reacting to possible trouble with the Luo, the Kikuyu are also closing ranks in preparation for a national election within the next eight months. Vast Scale. The Kikuyu, according to one participant, strip naked, then hold hands in a circle around a darkened hut and chant an oath before entering it. Inside the hut they eat soil and swear to follow the oath. "The government of Kenya is under Kikuyu leadership, and this must be maintained," goes the pledge. "If any tribe tries to set itself up against the Kikuyu, we must fight them in the same way that we died fighting the British settlers. No uncircumcised leaders [for example, the Luo] will be allowed to compete with the Kikuyu. You shall not vote for any party not led by the Kikuyu. If you reveal this oath, may this oath kill you."The vast scale of the Kikuyu activity got into the headlines in Kenya last week with the accidental crash of three trucks. All were jampacked with Kikuyu, and survivors said that they were traveling to or from Kenyatta's home. Thirteen passengers were killed, 105 injured. The presence of so many Kikuyu on the road to the President's house raised suspicions that the tribe was engaged in a clandestine operation. In Parliament, members of Leader Oginga Odinga's opposition party charged that the Kikuyu were engaged in oath taking on the grounds of the President's residence. When a government spokesman denied such ceremonies, claiming that they were simple expressions of loyalty to Kenyatta, there were cries of "Shame! Shame!" The Kikuyu, so the story went, had asked Kenyatta, who is a member of the tribe, to allow mass oath taking. Outsiders do not know Kenyatta's response, but there is no doubt that his yard has become the scene of mass oath ceremonies. Many non-Kikuyu citizens fear that Kenyatta, the founder of the country, has been pressured into allowing tribal factionalism at the expense of national unity and his own policy of pulling the tribes together. Read more: www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,901233,00.html#ixzz1FgPsFtvJ |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 5, 2011 8:20:55 GMT 3
mwalim
And do not forget its folks like the beefy Dr CM who famously stated "The Presidency is ours!!"
And they mean it too.
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Post by owuor on Mar 5, 2011 9:48:03 GMT 3
Wow!!!...this is some powerful historical anecdote!..As they say "History repeats itself"... When a black Kenyan these days says, "I'm going to Gatundu for a cup of tea," his friends know that it may be a cover-up for something else. Gatundu is the residence of Kenya's President Jomo Kenyatta, and "tea drinking" is really oath swearing. Unlike the tribesmen who swore secret oaths to join the Mau Mau rebellion against foreigners in the 1950s, Kikuyu by the thousands are swearing oaths against fellow Kenyans in the President's backyard. This ominous new outbreak of tribal tension was set off by last month's assassination of Tom Mboya, who was the Minister of Economic Planning and Development in the predominantly Kikuyu government. Mboya was a member of the Luo tribe, a rival of the Kikuyu. The arrested suspect is a Kikuyu. In addition to reacting to possible trouble with the Luo, the Kikuyu are also closing ranks in preparation for a national election within the next eight months. Vast Scale. The Kikuyu, according to one participant, strip naked, then hold hands in a circle around a darkened hut and chant an oath before entering it. Inside the hut they eat soil and swear to follow the oath. "The government of Kenya is under Kikuyu leadership, and this must be maintained," goes the pledge. "If any tribe tries to set itself up against the Kikuyu, we must fight them in the same way that we died fighting the British settlers. No uncircumcised leaders [for example, the Luo] will be allowed to compete with the Kikuyu. You shall not vote for any party not led by the Kikuyu. If you reveal this oath, may this oath kill you."The vast scale of the Kikuyu activity got into the headlines in Kenya last week with the accidental crash of three trucks. All were jampacked with Kikuyu, and survivors said that they were traveling to or from Kenyatta's home. Thirteen passengers were killed, 105 injured. The presence of so many Kikuyu on the road to the President's house raised suspicions that the tribe was engaged in a clandestine operation. In Parliament, members of Leader Oginga Odinga's opposition party charged that the Kikuyu were engaged in oath taking on the grounds of the President's residence. When a government spokesman denied such ceremonies, claiming that they were simple expressions of loyalty to Kenyatta, there were cries of "Shame! Shame!" The Kikuyu, so the story went, had asked Kenyatta, who is a member of the tribe, to allow mass oath taking. Outsiders do not know Kenyatta's response, but there is no doubt that his yard has become the scene of mass oath ceremonies. Many non-Kikuyu citizens fear that Kenyatta, the founder of the country, has been pressured into allowing tribal factionalism at the expense of national unity and his own policy of pulling the tribes together. Read more: www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,901233,00.html#ixzz1FgPsFtvJ Its almost 2012 and the politics of fear of this and that tribe has started. 5 years down the line, we have not learnt anything and the 'kabila adui' political strategy, a brain child of Salim Lome has been re-engaged in ernest. I wonder when Kenyans will realize that they are being played like toys. They used to say religion is the opium of the people but it seems in Kenya some political fanatism is a really potent opium. When will my people be liberated  Owuor |
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Post by tom on Mar 5, 2011 11:57:20 GMT 3
Ab-Titchaz
When going through the oath one begins to understand peppered position that some of our leaders have taken.
I do not wish to deviate Job's post from its core object but can anyone see where Kibaki Tosha came from 2002?
Methinks the recordings in Time Magazine gives us a very clear insight.
Today you have very serious records of similar nature which Job has unleashed here. These are people preparing to deal with their political enemy the way they dealt with the british settlers!
But this time it is in defence of their anointed leader against ICC.
It is all in that oath.
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Post by Titchaz on Mar 5, 2011 18:31:20 GMT 3
Ab-TitchazWhen going through the oath one begins to understand peppered position that some of our leaders have taken. I do not wish to deviate Job's post from its core object but can anyone see where Kibaki Tosha came from 2002? Methinks the recordings in Time Magazine gives us a very clear insight. Today you have very serious records of similar nature which Job has unleashed here. These are people preparing to deal with their political enemy the way they dealt with the british settlers! But this time it is in defence of their anointed leader against ICC. It is all in that oath. Mkuu Tom, Nimekupata loud and clear. This stance they are taking to protect their so called 'anointed leaders is what alienates them from the rest of the country. Couple that with the fact that the same leaders go about forming the so called tribal alliance aka KKK. What do they expect the other folks to think? As PM put it up there, that quote by DR CM about the presidency being theirs is well in the mind of Kenyans and we wonder kwani sisi wengine tumeumbwa kivipi? When you see the likes of Muthaura and Michuki still clinging onto the corridors at whatever cost you start to wonder if Mugabe's and Gadaffi's DNA is replicated in these folks.Washindwe! This oath taking thing is serious business and its their preserve since the colonial days. Mungiki is a force that propagates such out dated yet dangerous cultures and yet the Govt of one Mwai Kibaki turns a blind eye. Kisha when they need them to do their dirty work, they unleash them only to turn around and kill them...so as to cover their dirty trracks. All this is now in the public domain and I dont know how it will end up. The ICC way is the only way to rid ourselves of these demons that haunt our psyche. |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 5, 2011 18:39:01 GMT 3
mwalim
The sanctity of Life is a meaningless to these mafiya types.
Even the lives of their own kith and kin means nothing really to them.
What happened to the father of the guy in SH?
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The son also slaughters english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/03/201134145056383102.htmlHERE: english.aljazeera.net/video/africa/2011/03/20113455019719972.htmlSaif al-Islam Gaddafi tries hard to be so smooth even retreating from his earlier stance when he promised that massive amounts of blood will flow in Libya should the people dare exert their will to topple his father. He tries to outsmart the journalist Anita McNaught who is as smart as he is and then some. She also has the advantage of having the truth and reality on her side! Watch the man lie with a fake twinkle in his eyes. There's times al Islam Gadafi wants to chock her for her questions and comments, and with good self control (unlike table bangers and fire breathers!) he holds his hands together in that universal peace gesture thinking he is fooling anyone. Too little too late. As the late great Bob Marley sang “…you can fool the people sometimes but you can’t fool all the people all the time…so now you see the light, stand up for your rights…”. see Bob: |
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Post by mzalendo on Mar 7, 2011 11:00:22 GMT 3
That shocking oath!
really shocking but they better know this country is larger than few individuals hiding under their tribe to rape and fleece the Nation.If ocampo does not net you then we will take the matters on our hands. we have the will and most importantly we now know you.
whatever plan you have the mafiya .well, all i can say is WE WILL RIDE TOGETHER ALL THE WAY.
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Post by nereah on Mar 29, 2011 16:22:25 GMT 3
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Post by kamalet on Mar 29, 2011 16:55:56 GMT 3
Being reasonably old and knowing what was happening then, these tea visits were not restricted to Gatundu. Secondly apart from perhaps Gatundu, they were open to anyone circumcised ( I recall my primary school teacher who was a Luhyia was allowed in) . Finally, people did not eat soil. They ate meat dipped in blood which still happens even today in various gikuyu ceremonies, and took oaths to defend the gikuyu from evil.....!
Now you all can go and get disgusted...but tell me a community that did not or does not have oaths!
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Post by merlin on Mar 29, 2011 17:12:56 GMT 3
Being reasonably old and knowing what was happening then, these tea visits were not restricted to Gatundu. Secondly apart from perhaps Gatundu, they were open to anyone circumcised ( I recall my primary school teacher who was a Luhyia was allowed in) . Finally, people did not eat soil. They ate meat dipped in blood which still happens even today in various gikuyu ceremonies, and took oaths to defend the gikuyu from evil.....! Now you all can go and get disgusted...but tell me a community that did not or does not have oaths! Not disgusted only wondering about your pea size world. |
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hope you are taking count !) meanwhile...... benard momanyi reports 