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Post by job on Apr 4, 2011 20:22:13 GMT 3
Mainstream newspapers, radio and TV are rife with lies, distortions and biased coverage. As they cover the impending ICC Pre-Trials, the truth, from real victims of PEV, is deliberately concealed. There is only a political narrative being driven by ICC suspects - cleverly conveyed through hired/paid IDPs and purported 'victims'.
The reality of the Kiambaa church burning is being hushed by media, while the reality of the missing Kalenjin youth has virtually been killed, all in an NSIS-cum-media effort to cajole and baby-sit a politically driven & Uhuru-led Kikuyu-Kalenjin unity for 2012.
The biased mainstream media (several owned and controlled by the suspects themselves) is NOT covering the real story of victims as shown here below - from the 3rd minute onwards; because it threatens the fabric of the delicate KKK formation while shifting focus back to actual PEV suspects, Uhuru and Ruto.
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Post by OJ on Apr 4, 2011 20:51:29 GMT 3
job, that is a very moving piece. It is very sad that the true victims of the PEV have been given a total blackout by those who control the media houses. It is time we got to see the gravity of what really happened, and it is incumbent on the media to show what it is that the ICC is on about. To get justice for such innocent victims. I shed a tear when I saw the photo of the lady's child who was burnt to death in the church, then I remembered Ruto's interview on Citizen TV when he claimed his child was affected by the ICC debate, and then I go to wonder, is Ruto's child more important than the child who died in the mother's hands at the church? Does he know how it feels to lose a child due to someone's greedy ambitions and evil schemes? This makes me sick to the bone, and it makes me with that we could fast track the ICC process, and we ALL get to hear the evidence, and then we see how bad the O-6 really are for this country. The day of judgement is nigh, and behold, justice shall be served.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 4, 2011 21:35:37 GMT 3
Job the good thing is Kenyans can see through the Media lies:) Uhuru Ruto and co can continue screaming and shouting, devil worshiping till kingdom come, but it will take them nowhere, Kenyans have taken the upper hand and stayed calm and quiet while they wait the Ocampo/ICC process..
1. the shuttling across the country by Uhuru & ruto has not produced any counter attacks and bloodshed.. that is what they trio were hoping for. 2. Ocampo and the ICC are not fools or stupid they are watching the trio's events closesly 4. Main stream media we all know it is owed by the same group that does not want to see Uhuru "DAILY NATION" AND RUTO "STANDARD NEWSPAPER" go to answer their case at the HAGUE " NO SURPRISE THERE..most kenyans know the owners and the Kenya media has become useless.. People now read independent news but only look at the papers to counter responses to their lies..
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1. Kenyans must stand up and use their voices to counter this propaganda, through internet, civil society, IDP's, The families of the deceased, all Kenyans that want to save their country will stand up and continue doing so until UHURU KENYATTA, RUTO & CO are behind bars CHARGED WITH THE HEINOUS CRIMES THEY COMMITTED ON INNOCENT KENYANS!! KENYANS WILL WIN THIS FIGHT MARK MY WORDS!
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 4, 2011 22:20:48 GMT 3
The question is, how do we change the narrative?
I must say, round one - pre Hague has been dominated by issues other that IDPs, victims rights/justice, and survivors plight.
jomo jnr and ruto have cynically, forcefully and perhaps masterfully established and imposed on us, their own narrative - their supposed innocence, as the main thrust of the news cycles the last few weeks.
Its been nothing but them, their political aspirations, their supposed crucifixion by the Rt Hon Prime Minister. Basically its been a non-stop propaganda offensive aimed at belittling the person of The Right Hon Prime Minister, of abusing him, besmirching his name, and affixing blame, however irrational, on him.
Its been about their purported innocence.
Its time to hit back folks!
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Post by job on Apr 5, 2011 5:05:26 GMT 3
Media continues the narrative of playing the masterminds as the victims.
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Post by nalinali on Apr 5, 2011 5:20:06 GMT 3
Media continues the narrative of playing the masterminds as the victims. Job I actually took time to watch and listen to this interview. This means a lot because I am no fan of Uhuru. You are right that giving him the forum on a media outlet with a wide reach such a Citizen, arguably amplifies the impression of the "suspects as the victims" in the whole saga. Having said that, it is worth noting (and commending Juli) for asking a few poignant questions of Uhuru none of which he answers directly. It is particularly telling that he cannot specificity the issues they have been talking about when pressed by Julie. Considering the image he has cut for himself, being a Kenyatta and this being a Royal media outlet, I think Julie did fine and Uhuru comes out as some daft, angry person unsure of his vision and deep in the stupor of self importance_notice how he feels gratified by claiming that the rallies have confirmed that he has the support of Kenyans.
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Post by job on Apr 5, 2011 5:47:51 GMT 3
Nalinali,
You're right. Self-importance, defensiveness, and evasiveness was all I saw/heard from Uhuru. He's poor on questioning behind the camera.
I also find it naive/stupid to admit in camera that you're only playing politics (rather than delivering service to Kenyans) simply because "Kimundu" started it. Zero sensitivity to plight of victims he is accused of targeting. He just demands hero worshipping from his Agikuyu subjects.
And what about the silly revisionism of 2007 elections - ati people thought Kibaki lost because his votes were scattered in different parties. duh! Couldn't respond to Julie's rebuttal about studies showing otherwise.
This fella has officially graduated into a callous, angry, merchant of tribal politics. His true colours have emerged, shedding the urbane mask previously worn. When he says - even if he's jailed at the ICC for a hundred years - he would still be happy people in the Rift Valley will now live peacefully after purportedly taking oaths...I was like.....wow! I'll keep an eye for the evidence. What about the hundreds of thousands of acres of land his family sits on from North Rift, Central Rift, South Rift, spanning all the way into Naivasha - the real root cause of ethnic animosity in the first place?
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Post by nalinali on Apr 5, 2011 6:22:32 GMT 3
Nalinali,You're right. Self-importance, defensiveness, and evasiveness was all I saw/heard from Uhuru. He's poor on questioning behind the camera. I also find it naive/stupid to admit in camera that you're only playing politics (rather than delivering service to Kenyans) simply because "Kimundu" started it. Zero sensitivity to plight of victims he is accused of targeting. He just demands hero worshipping from his Agikuyu subjects. And what about the silly revisionism of 2007 elections - ati people thought Kibaki lost because his votes were scattered in different parties. duh! Couldn't respond to Julie's rebuttal about studies showing otherwise. This fella has officially graduated into a callous, angry, merchant of tribal politics. His true colours have emerged, shedding the urbane mask previously worn. When he says - even if he's jailed at the ICC for a hundred years - he would still be happy people in the Rift Valley will now live peacefully after purportedly taking oaths...I was like.....wow! I'll keep an eye for the evidence. What about the hundreds of thousands of acres of land his family sits on from North Rift, Central Rift, South Rift, spanning all the way into Naivasha - the real root cause of ethnic animosity in the first place? I sympathize with Julie as a representative of a profession that is supposed to be probing in such circumstances. One can see from her discomfiture that she was not just asking an interviewee questions, she was also confronting the "might" of Muthamaki and so self imposed the limits of how much follow up and probing she could successfully pursue. I begin thus because I believe that even with the ten minutes presented here, one can see how easy it would be to break through the facade that the Ocampo six (Uhuru-Ruito) and PNU have built in the recent past by creating a bogeyman out of the PM. It is a survival strategy aimed at creating the false reality of invincibility--of regnant power. False because the hereditary prince is wounded, the stolen resources(economic) are under surveillance in readiness for seizure should ICC go through, the time tested ignominy of manipulating legislature and judiciary nipped in the bud etc. I could be way over my head but every utterance, disposition, iteration (and the motive behind these) by PNU/Uhuru Ruto, points to a slow self destruction of what should otherwise be a formidable dominant force. The ICC should be the accelerate of this self-destruction rather than the only force driving it. What do the rest of Kenyans have to do and can they do it without being actively and effectively mobilized? The power that Uhuru/Michuki/Kibaki and co have been consolidating is facing serious internal tensions and contradictions which are easy to bring out going by Uhuru's performance in this video. All those MPs who gathered at Gatundu today did so because of twin issues; a flawed belief in the invincibility of what appears to be Uhuru-Ruto guilt driven and status-quo favored outfit; and a fear of the kind of accountability the PM's leadership promises--which accountability they cannot survive, having cut their political teeth on questionable moral and ethical practices. What is perhaps needed more than anything is a counter effect to the charade of a monolithic unified PNU and a reversal of the false positions upon which the current PNU lead campaign is based. It may be a while before the contributory value of the new constitution is felt in this. This is why it begs a lot what ODM as a counter-force can do in addition to what it is doing already. A clear need for an equally alert and on the toe, informed and youthful voice, persistent in the media especially the internet to keep alive specific messages intended to demonstrate just how dissociated Uhuru and Co. are from the needs of a just and representative Kenya.
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Post by shifta on Apr 5, 2011 6:32:54 GMT 3
When the two Rutos were payukaring all over the place - Uhuru was actually seen as calm and collccted, but I think when the PM shot down the nominations that was the game changer. This is a fire breathing person who was AWOL during his own campaigns in 2002. Unfortunately this reinforces and feds into what Muga writes about below and the stigmatization of the people he claims as his people, since he is now their "muthamaki" www.nairobistar.com/opinions/wycliffe-muga/19283-time-to-end-the-stigmatization-of-the-kikuyu-community
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Post by nalinali on Apr 5, 2011 6:38:03 GMT 3
When the two Rutos were payukaring all over the place - Uhuru was actually seen as calm and collccted, but I think when the PM shot down the nominations that was the game changer. This is a fire breathing person who was AWOL during his own campaigns in 2002. Unfortunately this reinforces and feds into what Muga writes about below and the stigmatization of the people he claims as his people, since he is now their "muthamaki" www.nairobistar.com/opinions/wycliffe-muga/19283-time-to-end-the-stigmatization-of-the-kikuyu-communityShifta you are spot on, in respect of the thing that triggered Uhuru's slip into the petulance and an almost atavistic incoherence we see. He rested easy knowing and believing in the power of the executive (exercised by his dad and Moi without question) to bail him out of the current predicament. little did he know that there are Kenyans out there ready to stand for the inculcation of just practices and who are enamored by the new constitution. This is truly what pissed Uhuru off.
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Post by sang2000 on Apr 5, 2011 6:40:01 GMT 3
Thanks, job. Truly moving! This is what I have alluded to elsewhere in this forum - Real IDPs out there whose lives have been turned upside down, some of whom have been forgotten - or are being referred in the abstract like it's some oil painting on the wall.
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Post by merkeju on Apr 5, 2011 6:42:41 GMT 3
I watched Uhuru the bully interview and i was just wondering what was he chewing? the interview portrayed Uhuru as unstable,irrational and hot tempered person, who will be worse than his father if he becomes the president of kenya, he didnt answer any question put on him but only dance on his own tunes, eti Kibaki won the elections based on that the votes were scattered in different parties as if they cannot be added up into one figure.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 5, 2011 7:13:23 GMT 3
Job - It is well know in the public which party(ODM-Raila) has bought some people in the media even going to a low of buying cartoonist . Stop playing reverse psychology here . Why do you think UK is very angry with the mainstream media houses and pundits . Check his interview
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Post by job on Apr 5, 2011 16:20:39 GMT 3
Job - It is well know in the public which party(ODM-Raila) has bought some people in the media even going to a low of buying cartoonist . What is well known (by public) is that the Kenyatta family has bought quite a number of mainstream media outlets - The People and K24 TV - on top of the vernacular radio station Kameme FM. Scribe hirelings like Jeff Koinange, Gaitho, Ngunyi, and Nation's Gitahi are deeply in his pockets - attempting unsuccessfully to rewrite PEV history (to put Mungiki and Uhuru in favourable terms - as the super heros who stopped the terrible Kalenjin militia). Needless to state, most KENYANS don't buy that crap!Uhuru has tried using his recently acquired radio, TV and newspaper to drum anti-ICC propaganda in an attempt to also change the PEV narrative - from empathy for ACTUAL victims, to sympathy with perpetrators. This may be gaining traction amongst his Agikuyu subjects (like you), but as national polls show today, majority Kenyans still view him as an ICC suspect who needs to go face trial at the Hague. In addition, majority Kenyans want him to be relieved of his public duties.So whereas he is using his perpetration of murders at Naivasha, Nakuru and elsewhere to try ascending to State House, others see a cold and misguided attempt to profit from blood-letting of other Kenyans. Blood is dripping from his fingers as he spews his tribal matusi day in day out in incitement rallies. This narrative is yet to be framed to the nation, focus is still on the ICC Pre-Trial. He will soon be answered in bigger rallies, keep an eye hapa! These are the WELL KNOWN FACTS. Kwahivyo toa those myths you claim are well known? Well known in whose quarters? Simple! Media not kow-towing to muthamaki Muigai was Kenyatta's propaganda make him angry. On top, Uhuru is scathing-angry at leaders not bowing down to his attempt to put his cousin and lawyer as Kenya's AG....... He is angry at leaders resisting his spirited attempt to have ICC case deferred for one year,...... he is angry at fellow Gikuyu leaders (Karua, Kenneth, Muite etc) not bowing down to the self-imposed muthamaki,...... he is angry at media able to report whispers about his liquor-over-imbibing and pot-smoking tendencies....he is angry at media portraying him as a perpetrator of PEV....angry at media highlighting his latter day table-banging, epithet-spewing habits....he's angry at amigo Ocampo tightening the Judicial noose around his neck.....angry at UN Security Council for ignoring muthamaki's request.....and of course, this fella is angry at pundits (at JUKWAA and elsewhere) who call him for what he is - a bloody callous murderer of innocent civilians! That surely makes him angry, but who cares? Let him face Justice!?
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 5, 2011 16:35:40 GMT 3
Job - It is well know in the public which party(ODM-Raila) has bought some people in the media even going to a low of buying cartoonist . What is well known (by public) is that Kenyatta family has bought quite a number of mainstream media outlets - the People and K24 TV - on top of the vernacular radio station Kameme. Scribe hirelings like Jeff Koinange are deeply in his pockets - attempting unsuccessfully to rewrite PEV history (to put Mungiki and Uhuru in favourable terms - as the super heros who stopped the terrible Kalenjin militia). Most don't buy that crap! Uhuru has tried using his recently acquired radio, TV and newspaper to drum anti-ICC propaganda in an attempt to also change the PEV narrative - from empathy for ACTUAL victims, to sympathy with perpetrators. This may be gaining traction amongst his Agikuyu subjects (like you), but as national polls show today, majority Kenyans still view him as an ICC suspect who needs to go face trial at the Hague. In addition, majority Kenyans want him to be relieved of his public duties.These are the WELL KNOWN FACTS you can't refute. Kwahivyo toa those myths you claim are well known? Well known in whose quarters? Puliiiiz! Simple! Media not kow-towing to muthamaki Muigai was Kenyatta's propaganda make him angry. On top, Uhuru is scathing-angery at leaders not kow-towing to his attempt to put his cousin and lawyer as Kenya's AG....... He is angry at leaders resisting his spirited attempt to have ICC case deferred for one year,...... he is angry at fellow Gikuyu leaders (Karua, Kenneth, Muite etc) not bowing down to the self-imposed muthamaki,...... he is angry at media able to report whispers about his liquor-over-imbibing and pot-smoking tendencies....he is angry at media portraying him as a perpetrator of PEV....angry at media highlighting his latter day table-banging, epithet-spewing habits....he's angry at amigo Ocampo tightening the Judicial noose around his neck.....angry at UN Security Council for ignoring muthamaki's request.....and of course, this fella is angry at pundits (at JUKWAA and elsewhere) who call him for what he is - a bloody callous murderer of innocent civilians! That surely makes him angry, but who cares? Let him face Justice!? You single handedly debunk the myth/propaganda you were trying to portray . Which is which Mr Job ? This [/quote]Media, led by the Nation Group, Citizen TV and Uhuru Kenyatta's The People and K24 TV, are deliberately distorting the PEV narrative in an attempt to rewrite history. They have given ICC suspects Uhuru and Ruto, free forum to spread their gospel of lies and hatred, while poorly concealing an open 2012 campaign.[/quote][/b] Or This [/quote]he is angry at media able to report whispers about his liquor-over-imbibing and pot-smoking tendencies....he is angry at media portraying him as a perpetrator of PEV....angry at media highlighting his latter day table-banging, epithet-spewing habits....he's angry at amigo Ocampo tightening the Judicial noose around his neck.....angry at UN Security Council for ignoring muthamaki's request.....and of course, this fella is angry at pundits (at JUKWAA and elsewhere)[/quote] [/b]
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Post by job on Apr 5, 2011 17:05:57 GMT 3
Needless to state - you obviously don't see the Kenyatta-owned media conglomeration (K24 TV, Kameme FM radio, and The People newspaper) and its common anti-ICC guests in Jeff Koinange's bench show (Ngunyi, Matsanga et al.,)..PLUS thier sympathisers in Gitahi's Nation (like Gaitho) ONE ONE HAND driving a different narrative from OTHER MEDIA.
It is that OTHER MEDIA (including the Standard and Star newspapers) that Uhuru Kenyatta is angry about.
Is there anything hard to comprehend about this simple matter? Absolutely none!
Reread my post for the FACTS and seperate them from unsupported myths and baseless allegations....
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 5, 2011 17:16:23 GMT 3
Needless to state - you obviously don't see the Kenyatta-owned media conglomeration (K24 TV, Kameme FM radio, and The People newspaper) and its common anti-ICC guests in Jeff Koinange's bench show (Ngunyi, Matsanga et al.,)..PLUS thier sympathisers in Gitahi's Nation (like Gaitho) ONE ONE HAND driving a different narrative from OTHER MEDIA. It is that OTHER MEDIA (including the Standard and Star newspapers) that Uhuru Kenyatta is angry about. Is there anything hard to comprehend about this simple matter? Absolutely none! Reread my post for the FACTS and seperate them from unsupported myths and baseless allegations.... Trying to cover face Job ? Now there are 2 sets of Media . Why then were you generalizing the media ? K24 , People the Star are not regarded as mainstream media . Are you really in Kenya ? If you have been watching the said Mainstream media you would have noticed KTN is Uhuru friendly compared to Nation ,Citizen and KBC. It is widely known that ODM-Raila buys Pollsters some media people and even cartoonist . Just check the Haris/synovate pollster today . The beauty of it all is people can see through .....remember synovate/Haris is the same pollster which were showing Raila leading over Uhuru in Central and over Ruto in Riftvalley as a presidential contender . what a joke
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Post by Titchaz on Apr 5, 2011 17:27:03 GMT 3
Needless to state - you obviously don't see the Kenyatta-owned media conglomeration (K24 TV, Kameme FM radio, and The People newspaper) and its common anti-ICC guests in Jeff Koinange's bench show (Ngunyi, Matsanga et al.,)..PLUS thier sympathisers in Gitahi's Nation (like Gaitho) ONE ONE HAND driving a different narrative from OTHER MEDIA. It is that OTHER MEDIA (including the Standard and Star newspapers) that Uhuru Kenyatta is angry about. Is there anything hard to comprehend about this simple matter? Absolutely none! Reread my post for the FACTS and seperate them from unsupported myths and baseless allegations.... Daktari, hebu wachana na huyu mtu banaa. U are flogging a dead horse so to speak.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 5, 2011 17:41:10 GMT 3
Needless to state - you obviously don't see the Kenyatta-owned media conglomeration (K24 TV, Kameme FM radio, and The People newspaper) and its common anti-ICC guests in Jeff Koinange's bench show (Ngunyi, Matsanga et al.,)..PLUS thier sympathisers in Gitahi's Nation (like Gaitho) ONE ONE HAND driving a different narrative from OTHER MEDIA. It is that OTHER MEDIA (including the Standard and Star newspapers) that Uhuru Kenyatta is angry about. Is there anything hard to comprehend about this simple matter? Absolutely none! Reread my post for the FACTS and seperate them from unsupported myths and baseless allegations.... Daktari, hebu wachana na huyu mtu banaa. U are flogging a dead horse so to speak. Tichaz , Sitaachana nahuyu kakabraza kamwe . Nidhahiri shahiri kuwa yuko kwenye misheni ya kupakiza matope wapinzani wake kwa kutumia propaganda isio kipimo. Nitamuandama akwendako kama kivuli kwani ni fursa ya kutambulisha ukumbi uwongo na porojo anozotaka sambaza hapa ukumbini. Aidha uenezaji wa propaganda miakani hii tuliyomo haifai kubaliwa hata ngo'. Miye nitasema ukweli tu .Hamna mengi . Shukran
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Post by job on Apr 5, 2011 18:05:30 GMT 3
Trying to cover face Job ? Now there are 2 sets of Media . Why then why you generalizing the media ? If you can't discern basic logic in debate, why even attempt to embarrass yourself. You asked why Uhuru is angry at media. My thesis was simple - Uhuru is only angry at specific media that he isn't able to control (which I referred as 'other media' for the purpose of debate - not in abstract terms). Otherwise, he is kosher with media that his family controls - which is trying to rewrite PEV history and sell a narrative far from reality. 'Mainstream' is not synonymous with 'leading', neither is it 'established' or 'old' . Any media entity that is legally registered by government, accenting to ethical & professional regulation by media council, regular in production, with a reasonably widespread audience that is able to sustain business production consistently, qualifies as mainstream media. It may be contemporary in age, with limited audience, but is still mainstream. News reported in K24 TV, or regular contemporary shows in K24 TV like " the bench" or " three sides of a coin", are as mainstream as it gets. An editorial or news report in The Star, is as mainstream as it gets. Mainstream is therefore not confined to good old, The Daily Nation and EA Standard newspapers. Neither is it (on the other hand) a blog or tabloid publication that I don't even remember its name! Absolutely of no relevance to this discussion. Even from Washington DC or other foreign cities (I travel a lot lately), I still watch K24 TV, Citizen TV, KTN, NTV, KBC TV, and read the Standard, Star, Nation, East African, and other mainstream outlets as I wish... On top, I also venture into non-mainstream sources in blogs, tabloids, social media sites et al., time allowing. That's quite subjective. I have read specific Uhuru-friendly columns in the Nation, watched Uhuru-pitching shows in Citizen TV, favourable reporting in KBC TV, a very soft (friendly) interview of Uhuru himself in Citizen TV, and such. On the contrary, certain specific columns or shows/ segments in the same media may be harsher. What is more easy to discern is that the Uhuru family owned media is favourable to his cause. The rest ('other media' for this purpose) is unpredictable and not-absolutely driven by Kenyatta's intended narratives. Table that evidence of 'widely known' "buying" of Pollsters and cartoonists. On the contrary, I will argue that the Synovate Pollster is the most biased against Odinga, through advancing what is called push-polling. Their spatial use of periodic polling is also surreptitiously meant to project a trend that Raila is fading or losing traction and widespread support across the country. I've previosuly stated here in JUKWAA that Synovate's long-term objective is to rob Raila's campaign the momentum in perception. Besides, their leading questions serve nothing more than influencing opinion in a certain way. Those oblivious to these polling tactics will simplistically take an April 2010 Synovate snap poll showing Raila with a wide lead as evidence of Synovate favouring Raila. That is far from the truth. Synovate's deceptive mission lies in projecting trends and trajectories, not snap-shot polling. Along that line, Synovate is right now busy projecting Raila as losing support (compared to last year), just in the same way they are portraying countrywide support for ICC Hague trials as waning. The snap-shot fact that Raila is leading isn't their concern - leading by how much, compared to last year, is their domain. Consume these polls with great caution, and try to research about push-polling!
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Post by job on Apr 5, 2011 18:15:20 GMT 3
Needless to state - you obviously don't see the Kenyatta-owned media conglomeration (K24 TV, Kameme FM radio, and The People newspaper) and its common anti-ICC guests in Jeff Koinange's bench show (Ngunyi, Matsanga et al.,)..PLUS thier sympathisers in Gitahi's Nation (like Gaitho) ONE ONE HAND driving a different narrative from OTHER MEDIA. It is that OTHER MEDIA (including the Standard and Star newspapers) that Uhuru Kenyatta is angry about. Is there anything hard to comprehend about this simple matter? Absolutely none! Reread my post for the FACTS and seperate them from unsupported myths and baseless allegations.... Daktari, hebu wachana na huyu mtu banaa. U are flogging a dead horse so to speak. Mwalimu,I've just noticed this JUKWAA newcomer with an interesting handle. I was just politely welcoming him. Thanks though!
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 5, 2011 20:38:52 GMT 3
We must NOT be sent off course by hecklers!! Daktari, hebu wachana na huyu mtu banaa. U are flogging a dead horse so to speak . kie kie kie ;D makelele ya kalamu sivyo? I've just noticed this JUKWAA newcomer with an interesting handle. I was just politely welcoming him. Thanks though! It could be some handle from a bored mashadite or bowener or a recycled handle previously banned here
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 6, 2011 8:30:34 GMT 3
We must NOT be sent off course by hecklers!! Daktari, hebu wachana na huyu mtu banaa. U are flogging a dead horse so to speak . kie kie kie ;D makelele ya kalamu sivyo? I've just noticed this JUKWAA newcomer with an interesting handle. I was just politely welcoming him. Thanks though! It could be some handle from a bored mashadite or bowener or a recycled handle previously banned here You people need to learn how to tolerate divergent views. Ive been an avid reader on this forum for a very long time till i decided to join in mainly to keep some of you on check . Seems I ve rubbed some of you in a "bad-way " . Opinions from different people can never be the same especially from a country like Kenya which practices multi party democracy . So dont react to my opinions with animosity . Core of having such FORUMS is to share opinions however different they are. If we can tolerate each others opinion then we will be able to enjoy and learn as much as possible.
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Post by kipfirimbi on Apr 6, 2011 10:10:05 GMT 3
We must NOT be sent off course by hecklers!! kie kie kie ;D makelele ya kalamu sivyo? It could be some handle from a bored mashadite or bowener or a recycled handle previously banned here You people need to learn how to tolerate divergent views. Ive been an avid reader on this forum for a very long time till i decided to join in mainly to keep some of you on check . Seems I ve rubbed some of you in a "bad-way " . Opinions from different people can never be the same especially from a country like Kenya which practices multi party democracy . So dont react to my opinions with animosity . Core of having such FORUMS is to share opinions however different they are. If we can tolerate each others opinion then we will be able to enjoy and learn as much as possible. Noway-haha Because we value divergent views I stopped by to “pep talk” on your cry for relevancy. Stop seeking self relevancy, individualism is of no relevance here, however if you haven’t realized there is a trait that you harbor that is a kin to bastardizing this esteemed forum, there is juvenility in your posting its something that rarely seem to hide itself in most of your littered posts everywhere, whether they add value is of no argument as they fall short .More than not you sound like a heckler and or someone beholding divergent views for the sake of it. Perhaps to help you further can you figure out how others who hold such “other” views express themselves, I know they are a few but you sure can learn something called TACT from them that way you will be on your way to expressing your views with class and earning yourself some RELEVANCY if you are yearning for some!
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 6, 2011 11:13:10 GMT 3
Trying to cover face Job ? Now there are 2 sets of Media . Why then why you generalizing the media ? If you can't discern basic logic in debate, why even attempt to embarrass yourself. You asked why Uhuru is angry at media. My thesis was simple - Uhuru is only angry at specific media that he isn't able to control (which I referred as 'other media' for the purpose of debate - not in abstract terms). Otherwise, he is kosher with media that his family controls - which is trying to rewrite PEV history and sell a narrative far from reality. 'Mainstream' is not synonymous with 'leading', neither is it 'established' or 'old' . Any media entity that is legally registered by government, accenting to ethical & professional regulation by media council, regular in production, with a reasonably widespread audience that is able to sustain business production consistently, qualifies as mainstream media. It may be contemporary in age, with limited audience, but is still mainstream. News reported in K24 TV, or regular contemporary shows in K24 TV like " the bench" or " three sides of a coin", are as mainstream as it gets. An editorial or news report in The Star, is as mainstream as it gets. Mainstream is therefore not confined to good old, The Daily Nation and EA Standard newspapers. Neither is it (on the other hand) a blog or tabloid publication that I don't even remember its name! Absolutely of no relevance to this discussion. Even from Washington DC or other foreign cities (I travel a lot lately), I still watch K24 TV, Citizen TV, KTN, NTV, KBC TV, and read the Standard, Star, Nation, East African, and other mainstream outlets as I wish... On top, I also venture into non-mainstream sources in blogs, tabloids, social media sites et al., time allowing. That's quite subjective. I have read specific Uhuru-friendly columns in the Nation, watched Uhuru-pitching shows in Citizen TV, favourable reporting in KBC TV, a very soft (friendly) interview of Uhuru himself in Citizen TV, and such. On the contrary, certain specific columns or shows/ segments in the same media may be harsher. What is more easy to discern is that the Uhuru family owned media is favourable to his cause. The rest ('other media' for this purpose) is unpredictable and not-absolutely driven by Kenyatta's intended narratives. Table that evidence of 'widely known' "buying" of Pollsters and cartoonists. On the contrary, I will argue that the Synovate Pollster is the most biased against Odinga, through advancing what is called push-polling. Their spatial use of periodic polling is also surreptitiously meant to project a trend that Raila is fading or losing traction and widespread support across the country. I've previosuly stated here in JUKWAA that Synovate's long-term objective is to rob Raila's campaign the momentum in perception. Besides, their leading questions serve nothing more than influencing opinion in a certain way. Those oblivious to these polling tactics will simplistically take an April 2010 Synovate snap poll showing Raila with a wide lead as evidence of Synovate favouring Raila. That is far from the truth. Synovate's deceptive mission lies in projecting trends and trajectories, not snap-shot polling. Along that line, Synovate is right now busy projecting Raila as losing support (compared to last year), just in the same way they are portraying countrywide support for ICC Hague trials as waning. The snap-shot fact that Raila is leading isn't their concern - leading by how much, compared to last year, is their domain. Consume these polls with great caution, and try to research about push-polling! Job you not only use invalid logic to steer a debate but also use false analysis and wrong conclusion . If you go back to the initial quote No ,the media especially Nation group , Citizen some of the Media regarded as mainstream have actually being giving a blackout to the Ocampo 6 especially to the rallies of Uhuru and Ruto just showing 30 second clips of UhuRutos politicking - focusing mostly on what awaits the Ocampo 6. Just but an example Contrary the Standard Media group have been UhuRuto friendly after the naming by Ocampo of the 6 suspects. This can be attested by the news coverage and articles on both on the standard and KTN . ODM-Raila friendly bars (Tao na mtaani) have even switched from KTN to Nation Tv for the 7 O'clock and 9 O'clock evening news . On several occasions Uhuru has been hitting out at the media in particular Nation Tv and Citizen for their bias coverage influenced by the opinions pundits who form a big percentage here in the cyber world but a fraction compared to the views of the people mashinani. Did you go through that interview between Uhuru with Julie ? he told her on the face that you media (read Citizen ) a giving the wrong potryal of the actual happenings on ground . The same for the interview of Ruto - She had to cut Ruto short. Furthermore the opinion sms- the same questions from the said mainstream houses , the results from the polls on the ones from KTN seem to be going Uhurutos way where as from Nation , KBC and Citizen goes against UhuRutos side and lean to ODM-Railas side. On Mainstream Media -It is not about the terminology but what is regarded as mainstream media . The K-24, Nairobi Star and the people are not agenda setting and have limited capabilities to transform or influence perception . Why do you think corporates prefer advertising in lets say Nation TV / KTN Standard/Nation Newspaper to Nairobi star / K24. Even if intelligence agency were to categorize media in Kenya Nation/KTN would fall under mainstream while K24 and Nairobi star would fall under others. Yes you might read newspapers ,see clips etc but the feedback of all those are here in Kenya and this is through the reaction .
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