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Post by Onyango Oloo on Aug 21, 2011 15:41:49 GMT 3
By Miguna Miguna
Friday August 19th, 2011
I have read the article Miguna's Criticisms of Raila Not Convincing by Wafula Buke with sympathy to the serial hypocrite.
I believe that Buke has been more than unfair to me. I have never written anything negative about Buke although many people know as a matter of public record that he has nothing to write home about. Apart from running around town jumping from one cause or another for handouts from politicians, Buke has done virtually nothing to complete his education, acquire useful skills and make a substantive contribution to society.
Buke was a common pathetic drunk at the University of Nairobi who had flunked his courses three years in a row before Kaberere Njenga, Munoru Nderi and myself wiped him clean and projected him as the "face" of the "new university student movement" in 1987. We made him SONU chair though he spent most of his time drinking and frolicking with other drunks at a women hostel popularly known as "the Box".
When I joined the university in September 1986, Buke had been to Kenyatta University for one year before moving to the University of Nairobi, where he had repeated both first and second years. He later pretended to be a radical, surreptitiously visiting the Libyan Embassy in Nairobi for handouts. It was the latter reputation that endeared him to progressive students like me who mistook his nocturnal activities for progressive politics.
In any event, unlike Munamezi Muleji, Ngala Amuomo, Kaberere, Nderi and I, Buke "confessed" to crimes he might not have committed after our illegal abduction, detention and torture. For that "confession", he was jailed for five years. I was not responsible for Buke's confession. As such, his envy and bitterness towards me is completely delusional and unjustified.
Anybody who has read my book "Disgraceful Osgoode and Other Essays" (a copy of which I gave Buke many years ago), knows that among other detained and later expelled university students, I am the only one who raised Buke's matter - in and out of detention.
Indeed, I kept contact with Buke after his release. When I relocated to Kenya in 2007 (after 19 years of exile), I am the one who brought Buke to the ODM Strategy Headquarters at the Rainbow House in Nairobi and convinced everyone that he should be appointed as a mobilizer for the party in Bungoma. I ensured that he was given money for mobilization (of course, there are many stories where that money ended up, but that's not my point right now.)
After the 2007 elections, I met Buke three times. We discussed a range of issues, including what we (like many others) thought were Raila Odinga's main weaknesses (and they are a legion), betrayals and what we perceived as the "take over" of the reform process by reactionary forces in Kenya. I never, ever told Buke that I felt betrayed merely because I had not been given a job. Buke is desperately trying to rewrite history for obvious selfish reasons.
Most Kenyans know that Buke has been a gun for hire by well-known reactionary forces. At the height of the Moi dictatorship (following his release from jail), Buke worked for and was funded by Cyrus Jirongo (when Jirongo was chairman of YK'92). Indeed, there are credible stories of him being bought matatus by Jirongo and Co, which Buke operated in Kisumu for a year or so.
Over the years - but particularly after the 2007 election debacle - I encouraged Buke to complete his university education (which he has never done) so as to make it easier for him to get gainful employment. I have been very supportive of Buke, giving him fare and trying to help whenever I could.
I thereafter discussed Buke's fate with others, including the PM himself. It was these discussions that resulted in Buke's two visits to the PM's Office (which I facilitated). After the last meeting at the PM's Office, Buke called me and I arranged to meet him at the Parklands Club. It was during that meeting that he informed me that William Ruto had "hired" him as his Personal Assistant. He wanted to know my views. I told him that it depends on why Ruto had given him the job. If it was given genuinely with a view to "helping" a struggling colleague, I advised, I would have no problem. However, if it was given in order to "recruit" Buke into Ruto's reactionary politics, then I would have problems.
Buke assured me that all he needed was "income"; that he would be "doing nothing" anyway. The "job" was "just to me on payroll", he asserted. I believed him and the discussion ended there.
A few months later, Buke called to "congratulate" me over an article I had published on the KKK, which Ruto had just joined. Buke was so excited about the article that he undertook to find some funds and have the article published as a paid ad in a local daily. However, barely two weeks thereafter, what I saw was not my article being published as an ad by Buke; it was Buke's broadside on me in the Weekly Citizen gutter, in the Standard, the Star and other electronic and print media.
Although I was shocked, I held my gun. I have always considered Buke a comrade and an ally. As a policy, I have never, ever written anything negative or attacked my former comrades. I have felt that if I have something to discuss with them, the best way is not to "confront" them in public, particularly through a newspaper article.
This is not because I have had no issues with a few of them, nor is it because I am unable to respond when attacked. It is also not because I fear them. It is simply because, as friends, I believe that we owe each other respect and discretion. I strongly believe that true friends don't seek to embarrass or humiliate each other; and certainly don't seek to gloat when their friend is "down".
Ruto has never been my friend. Buke once was. However, because this is the second time he is attacking me publicly without cause or justification, I feel that I need to respond, if only to warn Buke that I will not allow him to attempt to besmirch my reputation without a response.
I was dumbfounded when Buke published his second unfounded broadside against me. It was not intended as "advice". Those who confuse this envy-driven drivel against me with advice must see it for what it is: a selfish and cowardly "lobby" of the PM for a job. Buke could have done that without trying to drag my name through the mud.
Buke claims that he disagreed with Ruto over the constitutional referendum. Why are we hearing about that now? What was Buke's position on the constitution anyway? Did he ever support it? When and how?
Buke can write: so why hasn't he ever written on any important national issues other than attacking me? Am I the most important issue for Buke? When has Buke ever written anything about corruption, bad governance, tribalism, nepotism, etc in Kenya? Where is his RECORD? Or he wants to remind us that he was once jailed for five years for a false confession?
I wish to remind Buke that the struggle is still long and torturous. It might be too early for him to celebrate my "fall".
This will be my only response to Buke's unwarranted rants.
Mr. Miguna is a Barrister and Solicitor in Ontario, Canada.
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Post by gateway on Aug 21, 2011 18:41:01 GMT 3
Honestly, I am sure most of us in Jukwaa are not interested in all these "intellectual rantings". I do not care about Miguna's degrees and I do not care about Buke's inability to finish college. And why would the education stuff be part of anything anyway?? I quit school in Standard Four and I will ask you guys to STICK to real issues affecting KENYANS, instead of sharing with us issues that will not help the common man. All i see are EGOS everywhere. I am beginning to believe that people deserve what befell them most of the times. I have lost many jobs in my life and I did not raise much hell over it. I did not have to attack my bosses or those who attack me.
Let's us MOVE on to other things as we await the COURT'S decision on Miguna's case. The shadow boxing is BELITTLING both boxers. Enjoy the songs below.
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Post by enigma on Aug 21, 2011 19:27:44 GMT 3
I also thought Buke was trying to lobby the PM for a job. He has posted his statement on every facebook page he could get on. It is not good to kick a man when he is down and seek to gain from their downfall in such a way..
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Post by mugabe on Aug 21, 2011 21:00:16 GMT 3
Onyango Oloo
Good work in providing us a platform for these discussions. Very interesting piece by Miguna.
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Post by reporter911 on Aug 21, 2011 22:00:48 GMT 3
By Miguna MigunaFriday August 19th, 2011 I have read the article Miguna's Criticisms of Raila Not Convincing by Wafula Buke with sympathy to the serial hypocrite. I believe that Buke has been more than unfair to me. I have never written anything negative about Buke although many people know as a matter of public record that he has nothing to write home about. Apart from running around town jumping from one cause or another for handouts from politicians, Buke has done virtually nothing to complete his education, acquire useful skills and make a substantive contribution to society. Buke was a common pathetic drunk at the University of Nairobi who had flunked his courses three years in a row before Kaberere Njenga, Munoru Nderi and myself wiped him clean and projected him as the "face" of the "new university student movement" in 1987. We made him SONU chair though he spent most of his time drinking and frolicking with other drunks at a women hostel popularly known as "the Box". When I joined the university in September 1986, Buke had been to Kenyatta University for one year before moving to the University of Nairobi, where he had repeated both first and second years. He later pretended to be a radical, surreptitiously visiting the Libyan Embassy in Nairobi for handouts. It was the latter reputation that endeared him to progressive students like me who mistook his nocturnal activities for progressive politics. In any event, unlike Munamezi Muleji, Ngala Amuomo, Kaberere, Nderi and I, Buke "confessed" to crimes he might not have committed after our illegal abduction, detention and torture. For that "confession", he was jailed for five years. I was not responsible for Buke's confession. As such, his envy and bitterness towards me is completely delusional and unjustified. Anybody who has read my book "Disgraceful Osgoode and Other Essays" (a copy of which I gave Buke many years ago), knows that among other detained and later expelled university students, I am the only one who raised Buke's matter - in and out of detention. Indeed, I kept contact with Buke after his release. When I relocated to Kenya in 2007 (after 19 years of exile), I am the one who brought Buke to the ODM Strategy Headquarters at the Rainbow House in Nairobi and convinced everyone that he should be appointed as a mobilizer for the party in Bungoma. I ensured that he was given money for mobilization (of course, there are many stories where that money ended up, but that's not my point right now.) After the 2007 elections, I met Buke three times. We discussed a range of issues, including what we (like many others) thought were Raila Odinga's main weaknesses (and they are a legion), betrayals and what we perceived as the "take over" of the reform process by reactionary forces in Kenya. I never, ever told Buke that I felt betrayed merely because I had not been given a job. Buke is desperately trying to rewrite history for obvious selfish reasons. Most Kenyans know that Buke has been a gun for hire by well-known reactionary forces. At the height of the Moi dictatorship (following his release from jail), Buke worked for and was funded by Cyrus Jirongo (when Jirongo was chairman of YK'92). Indeed, there are credible stories of him being bought matatus by Jirongo and Co, which Buke operated in Kisumu for a year or so. Over the years - but particularly after the 2007 election debacle - I encouraged Buke to complete his university education (which he has never done) so as to make it easier for him to get gainful employment. I have been very supportive of Buke, giving him fare and trying to help whenever I could. I thereafter discussed Buke's fate with others, including the PM himself. It was these discussions that resulted in Buke's two visits to the PM's Office (which I facilitated). After the last meeting at the PM's Office, Buke called me and I arranged to meet him at the Parklands Club. It was during that meeting that he informed me that William Ruto had "hired" him as his Personal Assistant. He wanted to know my views. I told him that it depends on why Ruto had given him the job. If it was given genuinely with a view to "helping" a struggling colleague, I advised, I would have no problem. However, if it was given in order to "recruit" Buke into Ruto's reactionary politics, then I would have problems. Buke assured me that all he needed was "income"; that he would be "doing nothing" anyway. The "job" was "just to me on payroll", he asserted. I believed him and the discussion ended there. A few months later, Buke called to "congratulate" me over an article I had published on the KKK, which Ruto had just joined. Buke was so excited about the article that he undertook to find some funds and have the article published as a paid ad in a local daily. However, barely two weeks thereafter, what I saw was not my article being published as an ad by Buke; it was Buke's broadside on me in the Weekly Citizen gutter, in the Standard, the Star and other electronic and print media. Although I was shocked, I held my gun. I have always considered Buke a comrade and an ally. As a policy, I have never, ever written anything negative or attacked my former comrades. I have felt that if I have something to discuss with them, the best way is not to "confront" them in public, particularly through a newspaper article. This is not because I have had no issues with a few of them, nor is it because I am unable to respond when attacked. It is also not because I fear them. It is simply because, as friends, I believe that we owe each other respect and discretion. I strongly believe that true friends don't seek to embarrass or humiliate each other; and certainly don't seek to gloat when their friend is "down". Ruto has never been my friend. Buke once was. However, because this is the second time he is attacking me publicly without cause or justification, I feel that I need to respond, if only to warn Buke that I will not allow him to attempt to besmirch my reputation without a response. I was dumbfounded when Buke published his second unfounded broadside against me. It was not intended as "advice". Those who confuse this envy-driven drivel against me with advice must see it for what it is: a selfish and cowardly "lobby" of the PM for a job. Buke could have done that without trying to drag my name through the mud. Buke claims that he disagreed with Ruto over the constitutional referendum. Why are we hearing about that now? What was Buke's position on the constitution anyway? Did he ever support it? When and how? Buke can write: so why hasn't he ever written on any important national issues other than attacking me? Am I the most important issue for Buke? When has Buke ever written anything about corruption, bad governance, tribalism, nepotism, etc in Kenya? Where is his RECORD? Or he wants to remind us that he was once jailed for five years for a false confession? I wish to remind Buke that the struggle is still long and torturous. It might be too early for him to celebrate my "fall". This will be my only response to Buke's unwarranted rants. Mr. Miguna is a Barrister and Solicitor in Ontario, Canada. Yes brother Miguna, and it is not the end of the cheer-leading team vying to shoot the last arrow at you in regards to your fight against Impunity, more to come from the woodwork's, I'm glad that you are ready to face them head on, this time round... Buke must learn how to not peddle lies, propaganda e.t.c what a shame! |
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Post by merlin on Aug 22, 2011 9:55:01 GMT 3
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Post by merlin on Aug 22, 2011 11:03:41 GMT 3
Why Miguna Miguna’s sacking was long coming By MAKAU MUTUA
Posted Saturday, August 20 2011 at 16:27IN SUMMARY
• Mistake: Mr Miguna made no secret that he’d take a bullet for Mr Odinga. Therein lay his fatal mistake. He confused himself with Mr OdingaToday I want to reflect on Mr Miguna Miguna’s disgraceful exit from the public stage. It was long overdue. But I have one piece of advice for Mr Miguna — don’t attempt to go mano-a-mano with Prime Minister Raila Odinga. Accept your sacking with humility and move on. Remember the Chinese saying — the peacock that raises its head gets shot. A senior aide who loses his boss’s confidence must go without making a fuss. It’s unseemly to protest the sack too loudly. It betrays a problem of entitlement. Servants in the “king’s court” don’t have public minds of their own. Most advisers toil in darkness and don’t compete with their bosses for attention. Here’s why you got tossed. First, Mr Miguna forgot why he was useful to Mr Odinga. Presidential candidates — and Mr Odinga is one — must focus on winning elections. The candidate’s men and women must do everything to make him electable. Candidate’s fortunes Any aide or adviser who doesn’t understand this cardinal rule shouldn’t be around. The candidate’s electability is at the centre of everything. Nothing else matters. Aides must pour themselves body and soul into the candidate’s fortunes. This is true the world over. President Barack Obama’s advisers know this, or they’d be gone in a nanosecond. I believe that Mr Miguna forgot that his utility would end if his actions and words became counterproductive to Mr Odinga’s election chances. That’s why he had to go. A presidential campaign is like a choir, and the conductor is the candidate. This is especially true in Kenya where the candidate is more important than the party. No one else in the party — or in the employ of the candidate — is allowed to compete with the candidate for attention. Some will counter that Mr Miguna was a State official, not a party hack. I say baloney. He spent his waking and sleeping hours — at taxpayer expense — fighting ODM’s wars against PNU. Mr Miguna made no secret that he’d take a bullet for Mr Odinga. Therein lay his fatal mistake. He confused himself with Mr Odinga. That’s why he was accused of treating MPs like his subordinate underlings. Second, there can only be one lion king. If you doubt me, go see for yourself at the Maasai Mara. Parties must speak with one authoritative voice. That’s why Eldoret North MP William Ruto must leave ODM. There can’t be two rats in one hole, as an African proverb reminds us. His column Often, Mr Miguna publicly expressed views contrary to Mr Odinga’s and those of senior ODM MPs and party secretariat. In his column, he would disclaim that the views were his and not ODM’s or the PM’s. That’s nonsense in politics. Spokesmen, advisers and aides cannot contradict their bosses in public. Mr Miguna did so every day. Which begs the question — was he or Mr Odinga ODM’s ultimate voice? My view is that Mr Miguna grew too big for his breeches. He fancied himself ODM’s “thinker” and key ideologue. To him, many of the MPs in ODM were reactionary. He regarded the PM’s secretariat as anti-reform, lazy, and dim-witted. He would churn out many position briefs for the PM. Whether he was right or not isn’t the point. But he reportedly never tired of reminding them of their incompetence. However, Mr Miguna thought he was “untouchable” because he had Mr Odinga’s ear. That’s naive. The man made enemies everywhere — in ODM, among MPs, in the secretariat. That’s why they all combined forces for a take-down. Mr Odinga had to choose between Mr Miguna and ODM. Third, Mr Odinga finally realised that Mr Miguna was a liability. The man reminds one of a child bully in a sandbox. He labours mightily to use “big” words and phrases. This makes his writing look phony. What looks to some like intellectual arrogance is academic insecurity. Otherwise, there’s no reason to hurl insults at everybody who disagrees with you. Add the uncouth language to his dress — especially the hats — and a rather comical image emerges. He actually reminds me of the former Zairian dictator Mobutu Sese Seko Nkuku Ngbendu wa Zabanga. That’s a lot of pomp. Mr Odinga must have known that such a “comical image” conjures up bad African memories. That’s no way to woo discerning voters. Finally, Mr Odinga may have suspected that Mr Miguna was simply using his “zealotry” to serve as pretext to advance himself. Mr Odinga is in robust health. But I am sure many Luo politicians are scheming to succeed him. Who will inherit the enviable Odinga mantle when Jaramogi’s son retires from politics? Mr Miguna may have been positioning himself. But he’s not alone, except perhaps he was too indiscreet. Mr Odinga may have been convinced by others of this clever plot. No politician enjoys talk of succeeding him. Swift and surgical You can think the thought — and even plan it — but don’t expose your left flank, or be obvious about it. Otherwise, decapitation could be swift and surgical. Those who say Mr Miguna fell because of “interfering” with the electoral commission are looking in the wrong place. Nor should they blame PNU. Mr Miguna’s fall is an internal ODM affair. He doesn’t fit in Mr Odinga’s 2012 electoral chessboard. He’s an embarrassing distraction and loose cannon that is more likely to repel votes than attract them. He’s a glutton for public attention, which is a no-no for an aide. He was useful as a hard worker, but had too many downsides. I suspect the more established wing of ODM did him in. He should live to fight another day. Makau Mutua is Dean and SUNY Distinguished Professor at the State University of New York at Buffalo Law School and Chair of the KHRC.Source; www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Why+Miguna+Migunas+sacking+was+long+coming+/-/440808/1222344/-/nrn237/-/index.html
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Post by kunadawa on Aug 22, 2011 11:46:46 GMT 3
They two are birds of a feather.
Wafula Buke is a hired gun for Ruto, and Miguna Miguna was a hired gun for Raila.
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Post by kasuku on Aug 22, 2011 12:41:00 GMT 3
By Miguna MigunaI wish to remind Buke that the struggle is still long and torturous. It might be too early for him to celebrate my "fall". This will be my only response to Buke's unwarranted rants. Mr. Miguna is a Barrister and Solicitor in Ontario, Canada. Intelligent move Brother! Greetings to one mighty country i love...epsecially the skeena River with it's fat lachs; Keep smiling |
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Post by destiny on Aug 22, 2011 13:29:47 GMT 3
"Child bully in a sand box".."his writing is phony"..."academic insecurity".."uncouth"..."comical"....embarrassing distraction"..."loose cannon".."He's a glutton"..
I'm telling Miguna that Prof Makau Mutua called him all these names, just wait for a swift and robust knock out. In the meantime some more pop corns please...
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Aug 23, 2011 5:10:34 GMT 3
"Child bully in a sand box".."his writing is phony"..."academic insecurity".."uncouth"..."comical"....embarrassing distraction"..."loose cannon".."He's a glutton".. I'm telling Miguna that Prof Makau Mutua called him all these names, just wait for a swift and robust knock out. In the meantime some more pop corns please... One cant help but sit back and enjoy the mud slinging that is going on here. The loonies train is rocking. Where my mom comes from, there is a saying that chickens feed on each other's intestines. And here is more on Miguna's tribulations. www.nairobistar.com/weekend/siasa/36910-miguna-is-now-reaping-what-he-sowed |
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Post by b6k on Aug 23, 2011 8:06:35 GMT 3
With a friend like Miguna one needs no enemies. For someone who is crying foul that he gave up everything to serve the PM (not Kenya) it is ironic to see how he turns on his friends (& the PM) who dare to call him out for the political malaya that he was. Some of his comments against Buke are rather low. Miguna will do himself the biggest favour the day he decides to keep quiet.
As Moi told Saitoti at Kasarani years ago during what became the launch of project UK 2002 edition 1, "Professor kimya!"
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 23, 2011 19:37:50 GMT 3
This MM rejoinder is the stuff of bichiness. And truly the nastiest bits you may find in scandalous society magazines. Like a butt and handbags row between say Jay-La and Bee-on-see. [My butt is rounder than yours! -But after how many trips to the surgeon! My handbag always matches best with my shoes! -yea, that is because you are my number one fan and always copies me! My credit card is triple A! -that is more the ratings of your ex-husbands! You stole my vibrator in the ladies room during the oscars! --yap, after you nicked the batteries from mine last time around!]
We are being told of lobbies for jobs on behalf of -; ksh. 100s given for ma-3 transports; githeri lunches bought at burma [of the once famous mandazis], and many more petty incidents which reduces MM and WB to two biches quarreling around the beach in Mbita Bay.
I have sat on panels judging b.i.t.c.h.y disputes around lake Victoria islands --cases as diverse as women accused of stealing other women's husbands with charms from Tanzania; women who by their evil looks made sure the coveted fish would be tasteless on being served at the husbands table; men who callously by bathing openly, carefully displayed the formidable wares between their legs, thereby purpotedly hypnotising other men's wives with implied prowess! men who urinated in the neighbor's cooking pots! childless women who stole the affections of another's child! Nasty emotional disputes!
Sometimes the antagonists would be rolling on the sand on the beach, tearing into one another as spectators noisily placed bets on who would win. Later, the beach comittee would be expected to come up with a solomonic judgement. An amusing but a tough job. Since the peace of the thriving fishing community would depend on it.
As I look at MM, a so called intellectual, in this brainless airing of dirty linnen in public, I truly recognise the amusement value to spectators, but I am filled with revulsion, disgust and shame. As a panelist on a beach legal committee what would I do? I would have broad-chested, vice-grip oarsmen pin these two to the ropes, tie them to a baobab tree, and have themwhipped 10 lashes of the hippo cane over three hours. Men who have had this treatment meted in the beaches of Nyanza, never repeat the same offence! Kenyan courts tend to be far, in the middle of the lake.
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And even if MM has a right to be a b.i.t.c.h in kind, must he falsify history? Nop. Buke joined the university of Nairobi [arts] in 1986, coming straight from the NYS! It was pretty much the first time a first year was to run for the presidency of SONU, and he was beaten I think by [lawyerman Omondi Aloyo] by less than 300 votes. The turn out was one of the highest ever, with post-grads bothering to come and vote en masse.
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Buke was a common pathetic drunk at the University of Nairobi who had flunked his courses three years in a row before Kaberere Njenga, Munoru Nderi and myself wiped him clean and projected him as the "face" of the "new university student movement" in 1987. We made him SONU chair though he spent most of his time drinking and frolicking with other drunks at a women hostel popularly known as "the Box".
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Does anybody ask why this trio of sober hard-workers would must want to hand over the chairmanship of SONU to a pathetic drunk who had flunked his studies 3 years in a row?, albeit after wiping him clean???
Miguna is lying. The story starts in Gilgil NYS. Most of these tough men [87-100 in total] would be expelled from the UON by the end of 1987, in one of the greatest purges of a generation ever enacted in Kenya. [Congratulations professor Mbiti]. It was amongst this group in Gilgil that Buke emerged as the flag bearer. The immidiate SONU presidency contender AS A FIRST YEAR! Kaberere, Munoru, Owino Rang'ish, correct me if I lie!
By hindsight it was like a conspiracy, necessitated by Moi's special branch antics.
What MM does not say is that it was Buke's strange talent to bind voters [even amongst the senior years] that put paid to the ambitions of others who wanted to contest the Presidency of SONU then. {I leave out many details, like of the vote in Gilgil]
I suggest these two fellas shut up about themselves in public. It is a shame. Some of us know the inside dirt, but we wont tell!
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Post by mangai on Aug 23, 2011 21:04:33 GMT 3
I have read and re-read Wafula Buke's article on Miguna but failed to see the alleged 'attacks' Miguna claims Buke had directed at him. Instead i see picture of a concerned friend/comrade giving out brotherly advice.
Reaction from Miguna is however predictable. He has this kind of egoism to the extent of belittling others' intellectual capabilities.
Unlike some guys who have (literally) 'chewed' books MM does not waste any single opportunity to belittle others whom he considers to be academic 'dwarfs'. We have many examples of such dwarfs who have achieved a lot in life either economically or politically. Arap Moi, whom MM will not waste an opportunity to remind Kenyans about Moi's academic credentials, ruled Kenya for 24 years. He was a standard eight graduate!
I believe one should not despise others for 'Aliyekupa wewe kiti ndiye aliyenipa kumbe'.
There are some of us who believed and still do that MM continued presence as RAO's adviser on coalition affairs partly contributed to the latter's consistent drop in opinion polls.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 0:04:40 GMT 3
This MM rejoinder is the stuff of bichiness. And truly the nastiest bits you may find in scandalous society magazines. Like a butt and handbags row between say Jay-La and Bee-on-see. [My butt is rounder than yours! -But after how many trips to the surgeon! My handbag always matches best with my shoes! - yea, that is because you are my number one fan and always copies me! My credit card is triple A! -that is more the ratings of your ex-husbands! You stole my vibrator in the ladies room during the oscars! --yap, after you nicked the batteries from mine last time around!]We are being told of lobbies for jobs on behalf of -; ksh. 100s given for ma-3 transports; githeri lunches bought at burma [of the once famous mandazis], and many more petty incidents which reduces MM and WB to two biches quarreling around the beach in Mbita Bay. I have sat on panels judging b.i.t.c.h.y disputes around lake Victoria islands --cases as diverse as women accused of stealing other women's husbands with charms from Tanzania; women who by their evil looks made sure the coveted fish would be tasteless on being served at the husbands table; men who callously by bathing openly, carefully displayed the formidable wares between their legs, thereby purpotedly hypnotising other men's wives with implied prowess! men who urinated in the neighbor's cooking pots! childless women who stole the affections of another's child! Nasty emotional disputes! Sometimes the antagonists would be rolling on the sand on the beach, tearing into one another as spectators noisily placed bets on who would win. Later, the beach comittee would be expected to come up with a solomonic judgement. An amusing but a tough job. Since the peace of the thriving fishing community would depend on it. As I look at MM, a so called intellectual, in this brainless airing of dirty linnen in public, I truly recognise the amusement value to spectators, but I am filled with revulsion, disgust and shame. As a panelist on a beach legal committee what would I do? I would have broad-chested, vice-grip oarsmen pin these two to the ropes, tie them to a baobab tree, and have themwhipped 10 lashes of the hippo cane over three hours. Men who have had this treatment meted in the beaches of Nyanza, never repeat the same offence! Kenyan courts tend to be far, in the middle of the lake. --------------------- And even if MM has a right to be a b.i.t.c.h in kind, must he falsify history? Nop. Buke joined the university of Nairobi [arts] in 1986, coming straight from the NYS! It was pretty much the first time a first year was to run for the presidency of SONU, and he was beaten I think by [lawyerman Omondi Aloyo] by less than 300 votes. The turn out was one of the highest ever, with post-grads bothering to come and vote en masse. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Buke was a common pathetic drunk at the University of Nairobi who had flunked his courses three years in a row before Kaberere Njenga, Munoru Nderi and myself wiped him clean and projected him as the "face" of the "new university student movement" in 1987. We made him SONU chair though he spent most of his time drinking and frolicking with other drunks at a women hostel popularly known as "the Box".----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does anybody ask why this trio of sober hard-workers would must want to hand over the chairmanship of SONU to a pathetic drunk who had flunked his studies 3 years in a row?, albeit after wiping him clean???Miguna is lying. The story starts in Gilgil NYS. Most of these tough men [87-100 in total] would be expelled from the UON by the end of 1987, in one of the greatest purges of a generation ever enacted in Kenya. [ Congratulations professor Mbiti]. It was amongst this group in Gilgil that Buke emerged as the flag bearer. The immidiate SONU presidency contender AS A FIRST YEAR! Kaberere, Munoru, Owino Rang'ish, correct me if I lie! By hindsight it was like a conspiracy, necessitated by Moi's special branch antics. What MM does not say is that it was Buke's strange talent to bind voters [even amongst the senior years] that put paid to the ambitions of others who wanted to contest the Presidency of SONU then. {I leave out many details, like of the vote in Gilgil] I suggest these two fellas shut up about themselves in public. It is a shame. Some of us know the inside dirt, but we wont tell! |
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 25, 2011 18:47:03 GMT 3
jakaswangaYou could have made the same comments without the misogynist language that you've opted to throw around here. See, you do not need to insult women in order to make a point. Could you wrap your head around that? You will give examples from my post of these in your opinion misogynist language you allege I have been serving hot. Failure to that will grant you a wonderful opportunity to be re-defining your software, and shutting up. But this too. I see you are moderator but are gender neutral or androgyne. I ask if you are really human or just some smart computer programme, instructed to raise alarm at certain words? I remember elsewhere the technical word which describes a flood control mechanism in a low lying land [daik] being censored. Can minds get any narrower? Misogynist my foot! In Subaland we worship female butt! All benga hits are a series of suba gals being missed! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 13:45:29 GMT 3
jakaswangaYou could have made the same comments without the misogynist language that you've opted to throw around here. See, you do not need to insult women in order to make a point. Could you wrap your head around that? You will give examples from my post of these in your opinion misogynist language you allege I have been serving hot. Failure to that will grant you a wonderful opportunity to be re-defining your software, and shutting up. But this too. I see you are moderator but are gender neutral or androgyne. I ask if you are really human or just some smart computer programme, instructed to raise alarm at certain words? I remember elsewhere the technical word which describes a flood control mechanism in a low lying land [daik] being censored. Can minds get any narrower? Misogynist my foot! In Subaland we worship female butt! All benga hits are a series of suba gals being missed! I am cisgender. What does my gender have to do with my taking exception to your use of a sexist epithet here on JUKWAA? In the world in which you live that epithet that you use repeatedly may not be considered an epithet but here in JUKWAA world it is. OK? As a moderator I will remained "programmed" to nip sexist language and world outlooks in the bud much as I can. In light of this it seems to me that it is you who should be "re-defining your software, and shutting up." Or you can bring it on. But hopefully this time the conversation can start from a higher rather than that very low level where you currently have it. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 30, 2011 22:13:40 GMT 3
jakaswanga,I am cisgender. What does my gender have to do with my taking exception to your use of a sexist epithet here on JUKWAA? In the world in which you live that epithet that you use repeatedly may not be considered an epithet but here in JUKWAA world it is. OK? As a moderator I will remained "programmed" to nip sexist language and world outlooks in the bud much as I can. In light of this it seems to me that it is you who should be "re-defining your software, and shutting up." Or you can bring it on. But hopefully this time the conversation can start from a higher rather than that very low level where you currently have it. Dear Cisgender, Last time i bothered to check, cisgender was the academic mumbo-jumbo of north american radical feminists of the lesbo variety, frustrated and enraged at the dominance of the hetero standard as the defination of normal femininity. Cisgender is therefore still obscurantist, non commital. Does it not merely mean 'my social gender identity is at peace with my biological'? And that is code! Usually cracked to cracking laughter! ---------- Your gender could be a reference point coloring your vision 2. How about when your defination of a sexist epithet is the scientifically adequate vocabulary to describe the meat on the bone? [I will then choose scientific clarity above [politically correct] lingusitic sensitivities fueled by emotive contractions]. ---------- PS: Has the meaning of cisgender changed meanwhile? or is it still where I left it a decade ago? |
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Post by tnk on Aug 31, 2011 0:17:37 GMT 3
jakaswanga,I am cisgender. What does my gender have to do with my taking exception to your use of a sexist epithet here on JUKWAA? In the world in which you live that epithet that you use repeatedly may not be considered an epithet but here in JUKWAA world it is. OK? As a moderator I will remained "programmed" to nip sexist language and world outlooks in the bud much as I can. In light of this it seems to me that it is you who should be "re-defining your software, and shutting up." Or you can bring it on. But hopefully this time the conversation can start from a higher rather than that very low level where you currently have it. Dear Cisgender, Last time i bothered to check, cisgender was the academic mumbo-jumbo of north american radical feminists of the lesbo variety, frustrated and enraged at the dominance of the hetero standard as the defination of normal femininity. Cisgender is therefore still obscurantist, non commital. Does it not merely mean 'my social gender identity is at peace with my biological'? And that is code! Usually cracked to cracking laughter! ---------- Your gender could be a reference point coloring your vision 2. How about when your defination of a sexist epithet is the scientifically adequate vocabulary to describe the meat on the bone? [I will then choose scientific clarity above [politically correct] lingusitic sensitivities fueled by emotive contractions]. ---------- PS: Has the meaning of cisgender changed meanwhile? or is it still where I left it a decade ago? mmmhh jakaswanga i hope you have a befitting epitaph should this encounter go the way i think it will tone down on the coarse language and perhaps also this engagement since it has taken on a new life can be switched to a thread of its own (if need be - hehehe if you survive this) meantime am doing a countdown for you 10 ... 9 .. 8 unless of course OO decides to let you live ..... |
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Post by pranginya on Aug 31, 2011 1:05:02 GMT 3
The story of one Wafula Buke
Miguna's lies about Buke has shocked me.Jakaswanga, I have just read what MM wrote about Buke and I felt sick. How can someone of MM's intellectual capability willingly fabricate such lies on a fellow comrade?
Jakaswanga has you correctly pointed out, Buke established himself as an informal leader of the students at NYS in 1985 through his deeds of confronting any injustice head on. It was at NYS that Buke unconsciously laid the foundation that would catapult him to helm of students' body leadership in UON. In Sep. 85, Buke joined KU. After 2 weeks Buke and I decided to transfer to UON to study political science instead. Given that the male hostels were fully taken, we became the first two male students to be placed in the women hostel "the box". That was 1 year before MM joined the university.
There two qualities that set Buke apart from the rest: mobilizing and consensus building. By the end of first year, Buke had assembled a network of students activists that worked to put him to SONU leadership. The group included among others; the late Wanambisi Simiyu, the late Wainaina Maguta,Kaberere Njenga, Lusaka (PS. livestock),Juliet Dima, Odambo, Judge Njoki Ndungu, Peter Obanda, Okeyo, etc. (MM was NOT there). These two qualities would make Buke later play a vital role in Mageuzi movement (huge anti-KANU rallies that the movt used to draw huge audiences in mid 90s), in Chankwaza military training base in Uganda where a group of kenyans including Buke underwent military training in 96 with an aim of launching an armed struggle in Kenya etc.
At the start of our 2nd year when SONU election was called, Buke election machinery was ready. It was 6 weeks after the start of the new academic year 86. MM was 6 weeks old in UON. We did not know him then and he could not have participated in that elections beyond voting. Which if he did was most likely for Buke who was the radical anti establishment candidate as opposed to Nderi, pro-establishment candidate who was supported mainly by his fellow 3rd years. Nderi group had one agenda:uninterupted academic year without students' protests so that they could finish their studies quickly and get jobs! It turned out to be the closest election contest in SONU history after the authorities rigged the elections heavily in favour of Nderi. Buke lost by 93 votes! And typical of Buke, never accepting injustice, the team planed a coup against Nderi. The first "kamkunji" Nderi organized, he never made a statement. As he climbed on the to dais, he was heckled and forced to come down. Buke was carried to dais to address the cheering students. He named a students' "junta" to run the affairs of the students until further notice. Though the coup collapsed after afew weeks and Prof. Mbithi restored Nderi as the SONU chairman, he remained lem duck thro' out his term. The only SONU chairmain never to address a kamkunji.
Buke and his team resolved to prepare for next SONU elections in1987. The team had learnt from the mistakes. And for most students, Buke was the rightfull chair and they could not wait to be given another chance at the ballot to prove it. The team went on recruiting more activists and prospective candidates for Halls'chairpersons. By this time, Buke enjoyed star status and most progressive students seek to be in his team. And that is how MM joined the team. Meanwhile Buke and his original team passed all passed their 2nd year exams and proceeded to 3rd.
Election 87 was a landslide. Buke won by a margin that no other SONU leader has done before including the former SONU greats such as Titus Adongosi or Mwadawiro Mghaga. This shocked the university authorities. They had planted one kikuyu candidate and one luo candidate and even a female candidate to divide students votes along tribal & gender to make sure Buke, a bukusu was beaten. Stil Buke run away with 85% of the votes. When I appeared before UON senate disciplinary committee later that after UON closed, one Prof asked me this " You are a luo, Buke a bakusu, Wainaina a kikuyu, what was it that brought you togeher if it was not money from Libya?" In addition, all our candidates get ellected. MM was elected as Chairman of Hall 9 or 11. Sadly ,with all that good will and immpressive group of progressive young leaders, this SONU was to last just 9 days before the crackdown struck!
(part 2 continues tommorow)
Ranginya
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 31, 2011 21:00:36 GMT 3
[ mmmhh jakaswanga i hope you have a befitting epitaph should this encounter go the way i think it will tone down on the coarse language and perhaps also this engagement since it has taken on a new life can be switched to a thread of its own (if need be - hehehe if you survive this) meantime am doing a countdown for you 10 ... 9 .. 8 unless of course OO decides to let you live ..... tnk I will take your advice since I too saw visions where OO was adding my head to his collection of skulls, as he tossed my headless romp to the vultures! But do you see the line where cisgender coaxes me± bring it on! I sure can bring it on, on demand! But apparently that could burst our bubble in your opinion?  |
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 31, 2011 21:08:13 GMT 3
pranginya, I cannot fathom what moved MM to dub Buke a pathetic drunk at campus. I actually thought he did not know Buke then.
Personally I am reluctant to open the other clandestine files: like the mwakenya business, millitary trainings etc. This is still very fresh history. Even NSIS don't know it all! Sleep on it for a while if you can....
Regards, comrade.
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Post by tnk on Aug 31, 2011 22:35:24 GMT 3
But do you see the line where cisgender coaxes me± bring it on! I sure can bring it on, on demand! But apparently that could burst our bubble in your opinion? your posts are interesting and provide different and sometimes new angles/perspective to topics/debate and thats always good. lets not take away (steal the thunder so to speak) from the posts due to unfortunate choice of language where possible and am not in any way policing you or anyone else. its just so much more refreshing to read new pieces of information without cringing at its delivery wherever possible. but then again its all about personal tastes n'est ce pas |
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