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Post by commes on Sept 5, 2011 19:11:22 GMT 3
Today the star witness was witness SIX. Who is he/she??  Welcome to Jukwaa. I appreciate your new thread but could we stick with the thread opened by Kamalet for live hearings. The aim is to ensure that we are focused and not all over the place for coherent discussions. Many thanks |
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Post by job on Sept 5, 2011 23:29:24 GMT 3
Gichangi is in a better position to tell us who witness six is. It is definitely an NSIS mole planted through the Waki Commission to go and implicate Kosgey (& to some extent Raila) in PEV.
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Post by kamalet on Sept 5, 2011 23:35:54 GMT 3
Gichangi is in a better position to tell us who witness six is. It is definitely an NSIS mole planted through the Waki Commission to go and implicate Kosgey (& to some extent Raila) in PEV. Job I beg to differ. The evidence from Witness 6 is so shoddy and contradictory that it was from a snitch for hire! This guy sung like a canary to the KNHRC and these are the guys that were given to Ocampo to record evidence! |
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Post by kiongo on Sept 6, 2011 14:41:34 GMT 3
it has to be our premier for obvious reasons, he was the reason this suspects planned the alleged dids
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Post by phil on Sept 6, 2011 18:02:34 GMT 3
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Post by toddo on Sept 6, 2011 18:11:55 GMT 3
Boni Odinga has just tweeted regarding the two witnesses that disowned KNHRC's Omar.
The plot thickens.
@boniodinga Boni Odinga
If my story gave any legitimacy to those two guys then I disown it!!!those guys were the fakest witnesses in captivity!!!
It just goes to show how our journalists cannot even be relied on. If you find a story that you believe is form unreliable people, why publish it? No wonder Ocampo's may not have relied on these journalists..
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Post by phil on Sept 6, 2011 18:26:56 GMT 3
This is serious because someone has already hacked Koros' and Maina's email addresses (or at least created online IDs) and the damning emails are already in public domain.
Boni Odinga can tweet all he wants but what is happening now that some if Ocampo's evidence is out is that someone is sytematically releasing Waki Commission testimonies that were done in camera!
What will be next if not the famous WAKI ENVELOPE?
Hii ni kazi ya NSIS.
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Post by adongo23456 on Sept 6, 2011 19:12:17 GMT 3
phil,
Whoever is hacking the e-mails of alleged witnesses better be very careful. That is the kind of stuff that can cause a lot of problems to the suspects. If it is established that their agents or sympathizers are in fact threatening the safety of witnesses (real or imagined) and providing their names and identities to the public then woe unto whoever gets their case confirmed. You can be locked up mara moja.
The ICC is super sentitive to anything to do with witnesses or victims. You mess with them in the court where they are fair game but to threaten their safety in any other way out of the courtroom, that is playing with fire and if Ocampo with his big nose for info gets a whif of that kind of activity expect him to bring the matter to the attention of the judges and that could be a disaster. The road to hell is littered with good intentions. Someone may think they are doing Ruto and co a favour and may very well end up burying them particularly if any of the cases goes to Hearing.
I suggest you keep the hacked e-mail info in print and not online because those whose e-mails have been hacked have a right to question the intentions of the hacker and if it can lead to criminal activities like these people or their families being attacked one can be criminally responsible including those who provided the online link to the hacked information. And god forbid that any of the lawyers representing the suspects are entangled in any such activity.
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Post by phil on Sept 6, 2011 19:44:47 GMT 3
A simple Google search of the last one day will bring up interesting results. Just do it and you will see what comes up.
Unfortunately, the NSIS and some of their paid agents sometimes operate like zombies in their zeal to politicize this case. Remember the real enemy is not even Ocampo but the fear of any name starting with letter 'O'.
By the way, I am presuming that Ocampo will be making his presentation soon as the 1metre tall fellow (no pun intended) finishes his?
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Post by kamalet on Sept 6, 2011 19:49:53 GMT 3
I think Ocampo is rather overrated!
As for the David Koros alleged email, I struggled to connect it to the witness no. 6 that Job tried to tell was NSIS.
So far, I think the defence has worked hard to deconstruct the evidence that Ocampo was relying on, and I cannot wait to hear his response when he will be expected to counter some of the difficulties the defence has with the evidence held by him.
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Post by adongo23456 on Sept 6, 2011 20:16:55 GMT 3
A simple Google search of the last one day will bring up interesting results. Just do it and you will see what comes up. Unfortunately, the NSIS and some of their paid agents sometimes operate like zombies in their zeal to politicize this case. Remember the real enemy is not even Ocampo but the fear of any name starting with letter 'O'. By the way, I am presuming that Ocampo will be making his presentation soon as the 1metre tall fellow (no pun intended) finishes his? The problem for the hackers is that it can be established just by following the google searches they are indeed sympathizers of the suspects. These are not high school children hacking sites for fun. Now if Ocampo was to establish that friends and sympathizers of the suspects are jamming the internet with private and personal information that could lead to bodily harm then they better make sure none of the cases are confirmed. If the hackers are just are just some dummies with no criminal intention and no interest in the cases the suspects cannot be held accountable for their actions. If the hackers are working for or seem to be working for the suspects, that is another story. There are is a reason those guys go to private sessions. The Suspect's lawyers already have this information from the NSIS so obviously they are not learning anything new. The intention here is mainly for intimidation of witnesses(very dangerous activity) and public incitement against one or two winesses. I am not sure this is very helpful to the suspects. The real case is being heard in court. |
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