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Post by roughrider on Nov 16, 2011 14:51:56 GMT 3
We attacked Raila Odinga here like a pack of hungry wolves the other day because of what happened in Kisumu to Raphael Tuju. People talked about tolerance. Now, when I read this article about Uhuru Kenyatta and what his minions were doing in central, I rushed here to come and read what people were discussing about it. I rushed to join the wholesale condemnation and the righteous indignation. But what am I faced with? Loud Silence. the-star.co.ke/local/central/49310-githae-terms-aspirants-in-central-as-spoilersNow I immediately demand the following: 1. Mzalendo Kibunjia and his team must issue a statement on tolerance. After all today is the international day of tolerance. They must specifically point out that central province is the headquarters of intolerance and needs urgent liberation. 2. All the Jukwaaists who waxed lyrical on the Tuju affair must now use this thread to condemn Uhuru Kenyatta, mentioning him and PNU by name. I want to see multiple threads on this issue. No, I demand it. 4. Onyango Oloo should write an essay on this topic and ensure its publication in the Star. I allow him 24 hours to produce that essay. No, I demand that he produces it. 5. Miguna Miguna should also wait for a few days after the matter has died down and then write an article condemning the same. He must specifically say that Central province is not a Bantustan and state that everybody has a right to run for president including Peter Kenneth and Martha Karua. Seriously, why are we so hypocritical? If you took liberty and condemned Raila for something he probably had no idea about, you must doubly condemn Uhuru Kenyatta for the things he is openly orchestrating. |
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Post by phil on Nov 16, 2011 15:16:47 GMT 3
While the usual suspects are as predictable as day and night, this time around you may be expecting too much from the pack as you call them.
Njeru Githae (and may I also add John Michuki) are well known court jesters. Bure kabisa, and to imagine Bw. Githae was making these unfortunate remarks in church no less.
The same undemocratic, retrogressive and backward song is precisely what Uhuru Kenyatta has been singing under the guise of preaching Agikuyu unity but trust Mr Kibunja to ignore such blatant segregation of society.
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Post by mzee on Nov 16, 2011 16:43:36 GMT 3
RR,
You must understand something. Mzalendo Kibunja will only rush when he hears the name Raila. Otherwise he will act as if nothing happened.
Dont expect Miguna Miguna to write anything on this issue. Kwani is it Uhuru who fired him?
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 16, 2011 17:24:29 GMT 3
Folks,
At least these guys are only throwing stones with their mouths. That doesn't go very far. In fact it could be dangerrous to the stone thrower. The Kondele chaps were rolling the real stuff at 200 Km per hour. I didn't see them but given the ferocity of the response I assume they were doing something that bad.
But yeah, if Orengo or Nyong'o had said anything like this about Luo Nyanza we would get heaps of lectures about the genetic insanity of Luos, the sins of the dreaded "odingaism", the follies of sychophancy and yes, orders to have Raila reign in on his boys and show leadership or take responsibility.
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Post by cheshirecat on Nov 17, 2011 11:16:41 GMT 3
I rushed to the link imagining that Martha or PK had had his convoy stoned or had been roughed up somewhere in central but no, it was just some politician mouthing off as they usually do.
I sense your need to draw parallels between this and the attack on Tuju's convoy but they are mile apart.
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Post by kamalet on Nov 17, 2011 11:44:31 GMT 3
When Adongo talks of irrelevance of Tuju in politics, he says exactly the same thing that Githae is talking about....just different words - Tuju has no business opposing Raila = Karua has no business opposing Uhuru! What happened to Tuju's return tour of Kondele? No stones to write about? Surely there must be other things Kenyans can talk about and write columns about even if they have to attack Raila and ODM. Oloo wrote a piece on this. The daily papers have all been on it. The story has pretty much run its course. Must everybody else pen an article repeating pretty much the same things. Tuju is as irrelevant today as he was in 2005 when the same Miguna was mocking his alleged V.P predictions. Let's fight Raila, but for god's sakes let's put a little creativity in it. If people look close enough they are going to find something to beat Raila with. The Tuju Kondele circus has ran out of steam. And Tuju's idea that his mission on earth is to help beat Raila makes him join a long list of very frustrated people. Please Mr. Tuju get something better to do with your life. There has to be something out there even for you in politics. The situation isn't that bad, or is it? Adongo at least condemns violence but refuses to agree on Tuju's political participation as he is seen as nothing more than a spoiler - for you know whom! Githae is wrong in imagining that the kikuyu alone can elect a president for Kenya to support his notion that a single kikuyu candidate is the solution. Kibaki won in 2002 despite there being two other kikuyu candidates. So let Muite and Martha vie for the seat if they can get the support that others like Mutava or Tuju are looking for. |
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Post by roughrider on Nov 17, 2011 13:54:53 GMT 3
While the usual suspects are as predictable as day and night, this time around you may be expecting too much from the pack as you call them. Njeru Githae (and may I also add John Michuki) are well known court jesters. Bure kabisa, and to imagine Bw. Githae was making these unfortunate remarks in church no less. The same undemocratic, retrogressive and backward song is precisely what Uhuru Kenyatta has been singing under the guise of preaching Agikuyu unity but trust Mr Kibunja to ignore such blatant segregation of society. Phil - You are right. Sometimes we ask questions even when we know we wont get answers, just to expose hypocrisy. |
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Post by roughrider on Nov 17, 2011 14:07:26 GMT 3
RR,You must understand something. Mzalendo Kibunja will only rush when he hears the name Raila. Otherwise he will act as if nothing happened. Dont expect Miguna Miguna to write anything on this issue. Kwani is it Uhuru who fired him? For Miguna Muguna, the world nowadays starts and ends with attacking Raila. When Jeff Koinange runs out of time, it is the Star next. That is why he will only notice intolerance in Kisumu but hardly a whimper when it is Kirinyaga. Miguna needs to outgrow his frustrations and make himself useful to the progressive cause. |
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Post by roughrider on Nov 17, 2011 14:15:21 GMT 3
I rushed to the link imagining that Martha or PK had had his convoy stoned or had been roughed up somewhere in central but no, it was just some politician mouthing off as they usually do. I sense your need to draw parallels between this and the attack on Tuju's convoy but they are mile apart. I realise that I always need to break down things for some folk: they are of course different things that happened. They are not a mile apart. They are several hundred miles apart. One involved politicians mouthing trash while the other involved youth acting trash. One involved Raila Odinga the other Uhuru Kenyatta. Different things. That was the whole point. Happy? Now run along and find some other thread for your useless chatter. I am more interested in folks who want to condemn the act here. Cheers. |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Nov 17, 2011 14:16:51 GMT 3
4. Onyango Oloo should write an essay on this topic and ensure its publication in the Star. I allow him 24 hours to produce that essay. No, I demand that he produces it. I have a simple question:
How will you enforce the "demand" above?And what is all this about dragging the names of people into your fulminations? Onyango Oloo
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Post by roughrider on Nov 17, 2011 14:23:57 GMT 3
Githae is wrong in imagining that the kikuyu alone can elect a president for Kenya to support his notion that a single kikuyu candidate is the solution. Kibaki won in 2002 despite there being two other kikuyu candidates. So let Muite and Martha vie for the seat if they can get the support that others like Mutava or Tuju are looking for. We are supposed to be condemning Uhuru for what Githae did. I am not surprised you missed the script. |
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Post by roughrider on Nov 17, 2011 14:33:40 GMT 3
4. Onyango Oloo should write an essay on this topic and ensure its publication in the Star. I allow him 24 hours to produce that essay. No, I demand that he produces it. I have a simple question:
How will you enforce the "demand" above?And what is all this about dragging the names of people into your fulminations? Onyango Oloo
NairobiI am merely exposing hypocrisy that assails our national discourse. I only brought up the name Onyango Oloo since he is the one who penned an essay on 'political hooliganism' here on Jukwaa. Since he is principled, I knew he would have been outraged to the point of writing a scathing piece on this particular case. Don't worry. There are many ways to skin a cat. We will read an essay by Onyango Oloo even if I have to write it myself! By the way don't you find this reckless talk by Uhuru Kenyatta's attack dogs despicable? Or is it only unnerving when intolerance is seen in Kisumu? Good day. |
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Post by kamalet on Nov 17, 2011 14:36:55 GMT 3
Githae is wrong in imagining that the kikuyu alone can elect a president for Kenya to support his notion that a single kikuyu candidate is the solution. Kibaki won in 2002 despite there being two other kikuyu candidates. So let Muite and Martha vie for the seat if they can get the support that others like Mutava or Tuju are looking for. We are supposed to be condemning Uhuru for what Githae did. I am not surprised you missed the script. RR I simply disagree that there is anything to condemn Githae for! There is simply no comparison with the condemnation on what had befallen Tuju and what Githae said - see my quote by Adongo? I did not miss the script! |
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 17, 2011 17:30:51 GMT 3
When Adongo talks of irrelevance of Tuju in politics, he says exactly the same thing that Githae is talking about....just different words - Tuju has no business opposing Raila = Karua has no business opposing Uhuru! What happened to Tuju's return tour of Kondele? No stones to write about? Surely there must be other things Kenyans can talk about and write columns about even if they have to attack Raila and ODM. Oloo wrote a piece on this. The daily papers have all been on it. The story has pretty much run its course. Must everybody else pen an article repeating pretty much the same things. Tuju is as irrelevant today as he was in 2005 when the same Miguna was mocking his alleged V.P predictions. Let's fight Raila, but for god's sakes let's put a little creativity in it. If people look close enough they are going to find something to beat Raila with. The Tuju Kondele circus has ran out of steam. And Tuju's idea that his mission on earth is to help beat Raila makes him join a long list of very frustrated people. Please Mr. Tuju get something better to do with your life. There has to be something out there even for you in politics. The situation isn't that bad, or is it? Adongo at least condemns violence but refuses to agree on Tuju's political participation as he is seen as nothing more than a spoiler - for you know whom! Githae is wrong in imagining that the kikuyu alone can elect a president for Kenya to support his notion that a single kikuyu candidate is the solution. Kibaki won in 2002 despite there being two other kikuyu candidates. So let Muite and Martha vie for the seat if they can get the support that others like Mutava or Tuju are looking for. Please don't drag my name in tribal nonsense. When did adongo ever talk about Tuju opposing Raila? In which platform is Tuju opposing Raila? Has Tuju joined the ODM and is now running for the ODM presidential candidate seat? How does Tuju running for the presidency get reduced to Tuju opposing Raila except in the tribal minds where Tuju is running for the presidency of Luos against Raila? Please Kamale if you want to wallow in such narrow thinking, leave me out of it. I am sure you have enough company there as we can see. Tuju running for the presidency means he is opposing everybody else who is running for the presidency and the last time I checked there are many of them. So let's quit the tribal myth of Tuju running against Raila. What adongo has said and what I may have to repeat for some to get straight is that Tuju is a political nonentity. I mean the guy couldn't even hold his own Rarieda seat after so many of you told us he has transformed Rarieda into the most developed place in Nyanza. We told you some of us know Rarieda. We have been there. Our families live there. We knew Tuju had no chance. We told you as much. That has come to pass. So don't drag people's names in your clearly tribal arguments. Just swim there by yourself. Thank you very much. |
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Post by kamalet on Nov 17, 2011 20:30:23 GMT 3
When Adongo talks of irrelevance of Tuju in politics, he says exactly the same thing that Githae is talking about....just different words - Tuju has no business opposing Raila = Karua has no business opposing Uhuru! Adongo at least condemns violence but refuses to agree on Tuju's political participation as he is seen as nothing more than a spoiler - for you know whom! Githae is wrong in imagining that the kikuyu alone can elect a president for Kenya to support his notion that a single kikuyu candidate is the solution. Kibaki won in 2002 despite there being two other kikuyu candidates. So let Muite and Martha vie for the seat if they can get the support that others like Mutava or Tuju are looking for. Please don't drag my name in tribal nonsense. When did adongo ever talk about Tuju opposing Raila? In which platform is Tuju opposing Raila? Has Tuju joined the ODM and is now running for the ODM presidential candidate seat? How does Tuju running for the presidency get reduced to Tuju opposing Raila except in the tribal minds where Tuju is running for the presidency of Luos against Raila? Please Kamale if you want to wallow in such narrow thinking, leave me out of it. I am sure you have enough company there as we can see. Tuju running for the presidency means he is opposing everybody else who is running for the presidency and the last time I checked there are many of them. So let's quit the tribal myth of Tuju running against Raila. What adongo has said and what I may have to repeat for some to get straight is that Tuju is a political nonentity. I mean the guy couldn't even hold his own Rarieda seat after so many of you told us he has transformed Rarieda into the most developed place in Nyanza. We told you some of us know Rarieda. We have been there. Our families live there. We knew Tuju had no chance. We told you as much. That has come to pass. So don't drag people's names in your clearly tribal arguments. Just swim there by yourself. Thank you very much. Take a chill bwana! Here are your own words: "Let's fight Raila, but for god's sakes let's put a little creativity in it. If people look close enough they are going to find something to beat Raila with. The Tuju Kondele circus has ran out of steam. And Tuju's idea that his mission on earth is to help beat Raila makes him join a long list of very frustrated people. Please Mr. Tuju get something better to do with your life."I guess none of those words by you suggest that said that Tuju was not opposing Raila! You can now twist them as much as you want now that I have quoted verbatim!. As for tribal nonesense...perhaps by your standards you can show where I mentioned the word luo to have qualified as dragging you into tribal rubbish! |
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 17, 2011 21:15:55 GMT 3
Kamale,Please don't drag my name in tribal nonsense. When did adongo ever talk about Tuju opposing Raila? In which platform is Tuju opposing Raila? Has Tuju joined the ODM and is now running for the ODM presidential candidate seat? How does Tuju running for the presidency get reduced to Tuju opposing Raila except in the tribal minds where Tuju is running for the presidency of Luos against Raila? Please Kamale if you want to wallow in such narrow thinking, leave me out of it. I am sure you have enough company there as we can see. Tuju running for the presidency means he is opposing everybody else who is running for the presidency and the last time I checked there are many of them. So let's quit the tribal myth of Tuju running against Raila. What adongo has said and what I may have to repeat for some to get straight is that Tuju is a political nonentity. I mean the guy couldn't even hold his own Rarieda seat after so many of you told us he has transformed Rarieda into the most developed place in Nyanza. We told you some of us know Rarieda. We have been there. Our families live there. We knew Tuju had no chance. We told you as much. That has come to pass. So don't drag people's names in your clearly tribal arguments. Just swim there by yourself. Thank you very much. Take a chill bwana! Here are your own words: "Let's fight Raila, but for god's sakes let's put a little creativity in it. If people look close enough they are going to find something to beat Raila with. The Tuju Kondele circus has ran out of steam. And Tuju's idea that his mission on earth is to help beat Raila makes him join a long list of very frustrated people. Please Mr. Tuju get something better to do with your life."I guess none of those words by you suggest that said that Tuju was not opposing Raila! You can now twist them as much as you want now that I have quoted verbatim!. As for tribal nonesense...perhaps by your standards you can show where I mentioned the word luo to have qualified as dragging you into tribal rubbish! Just pathetic. If you can read and understand words, you should have no difficulty understanding what I meant and where it came from. Concentrate on the words "Tuju's idea ...." and you might just figure out that I am talking about what the Tuju's and people like you are consumed with. I am sure everybody else can so I am not going to waste my time with that. Next. |
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Post by cheshirecat on Nov 18, 2011 8:45:34 GMT 3
I rushed to the link imagining that Martha or PK had had his convoy stoned or had been roughed up somewhere in central but no, it was just some politician mouthing off as they usually do. I sense your need to draw parallels between this and the attack on Tuju's convoy but they are mile apart. I realise that I always need to break down things for some folk: they are of course different things that happened. They are not a mile apart. They are several hundred miles apart. One involved politicians mouthing trash while the other involved youth acting trash. One involved Raila Odinga the other Uhuru Kenyatta. Different things. That was the whole point. Happy? Now run along and find some other thread for your useless chatter. I am more interested in folks who want to condemn the act here. Cheers. Dream on. Am not going anywhere. |
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