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Post by mbuta on Dec 18, 2011 18:16:58 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Dec 18, 2011 21:14:34 GMT 3
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Post by tnk on Dec 19, 2011 2:14:12 GMT 3
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Post by mank on Dec 19, 2011 2:52:49 GMT 3
Just polytricks. That is what it is. In my point of view a high stakes gamble that is not really wise of Raila to take. High stakes gambles are for a unique class of gamblers. In my view Raila belongs with them.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Dec 19, 2011 3:15:40 GMT 3
It is not Mwangi's support that Raila is interested in, but in his short-sightedness, Raila thinks he can throw in any Kikuyu name and alas, he has the Kikuyu vote because according his campaigners like Omar Hassan, Kenya is not ready for another Kikuyu president. Well, the truth is, the man will wait for a long long time for that kind of support. Listening to Mwangi on sunday live every week, one never really sees the cutting edge thinking that would earn him such a priced appointment. In fact I dare say that Miguna Miguna might have been a more strategic thinker politically than this guy.
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Post by tnk on Dec 19, 2011 3:32:57 GMT 3
It is not Mwangi's support that Raila is interested in, but in his short-sightedness, Raila thinks he can throw in any Kikuyu name and alas, he has the Kikuyu vote because according his campaigners like Omar Hassan, Kenya is not ready for another Kikuyu president. Well, the truth is, the man will wait for a long long time for that kind of support. Listening to Mwangi on sunday live every week, one never really sees the cutting edge thinking that would earn him such a priced appointment. In fact I dare say that Miguna Miguna might have been a more strategic thinker politically than this guy. on your first para - i typically have no use for ethnic arguments and therefore do not engage on your second para, particularly closing comment - i concur. unfortunately its spilt milk, on this issue i think raila's think tank is missing the think part
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Post by job on Dec 19, 2011 5:50:50 GMT 3
Not inspiring at all! Even political rebranding requires some creativity.
It's quite easy to buy a spokesman or PR mouthpiece from the 'other side', but PLEASE not a strategic advisor! How casual does this get?
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Post by Omwenga on Dec 19, 2011 7:06:06 GMT 3
Not inspiring at all! Even political rebranding requires some creativity. It's quite easy to buy a spokesman or PR mouthpiece from the 'other side', but PLEASE not a strategic advisor! How casual does this get? I stand corrected on this but my understanding of this is, the PM's Legal Adviser is to work on coalition affairs mostly related to implementation of the constitution, not ODM affairs so I am not sure one can be critical about the appointment unless one has reason to believe Mwangi is incapable of rendering legal guidance on this or that he can lead the PM in a direction at odds with his own party, which I doubt as I am sure the PM, like any smart politician, must keep one eye on the larger picture while the other is on the smaller picture where Mwangi is found. The appointment was obviously not made in a vacuum.
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Post by mank on Dec 19, 2011 8:56:24 GMT 3
Not inspiring at all! Even political rebranding requires some creativity. It's quite easy to buy a spokesman or PR mouthpiece from the 'other side', but PLEASE not a strategic advisor! How casual does this get? I stand corrected on this but my understanding of this is, the PM's Legal Adviser is to work on coalition affairs mostly related to implementation of the constitution, not ODM affairs so I am not sure one can be critical about the appointment unless one has reason to believe Mwangi is incapable of rendering legal guidance on this or that he can lead the PM in a direction at odds with his own party, which I doubt as I am sure the PM, like any smart politician, must keep one eye on the larger picture while the other is on the smaller picture where Mwangi is found...........Interesting! Now am confused. Is Mwangi taking the vacant sit of Miguna Miguna, or a different one?
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Post by falafulani on Dec 19, 2011 9:50:34 GMT 3
Miguna was earning a basic monthly salary of Sh254,000, a house allowance of Sh80,000, entertainment allowance of Sh100,000, extraneous allowance of Sh100,000 per month and a Sh50,000 leave allowance. Not forgetting state security, car and driver. (This is in a country where highly trained professionals like doctors take home a total of 30,000 per month)
I would throw tantrums too If such a bag of goodies was snatched from me! LOL
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Post by Dumekenya on Dec 19, 2011 11:12:22 GMT 3
Some times decisions have to be made however painful or difficult they might seem to be. Decisions made likewise will always not please every tom hurry and dick. But the most crucial thing is that a decision has to be made. We should not be so quick in pointing accusing finger at other people's decision. What I know PM Raila has done his homework and has arrived at a dicision just like in the gridlock after the 2007 elections where things were thick in Kenya he had to dicide to go the coalition way to save the country from turmoil.
For Paul Mwangi's appointment i dont have any quagmire with it. Paul is equally a Kenyan who deserves any Public office. We only need to desist from reading politics all the time a decision is made.
Let us give Raila time with his new strategy and we will be able to sieve through and judge if indeed he made a stupid clever mistake. It is too early to just rubish this appointment off.
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Post by Luol Deng on Dec 19, 2011 11:16:56 GMT 3
A technocrat's position is of limited use politically, but when placed in the wrong hands it has the potential of doing some serious political damage as Miguna's tenure illustrates.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Dec 19, 2011 12:22:24 GMT 3
Interesting! Now am confused. Is Mwangi taking the vacant sit of Miguna Miguna, or a different one? Man K:You are justified in your confusion. The media is deliberately misleading the public. Inserting Miguna's name into a headline-whether in Jukwaa or the Daily Nation-makes the story more juicy than it actually is. Paul Mwangi has NOT replaced Miguna Miguna. Paul Mwangi has replaced Mugambi Imanyara who resigned last year. Paul Mwangi's title is Adviser, Legal Affairs. Miguna Miguna's title was Adviser, Coalition Affairs & Joint Secretary to the Permanent Committee on the Management of Coalition Affairs.Paul Mwangi was appointed by the Permanent Secretary, Office of the Prime Minister, Mohammed Isahakia. Miguna Miguna's appointment letter was signed by President Mwai Kibaki.In short, Prime Minister Raila Odinga has yet to name the person who has replaced Miguna Miguna.I hope this clears up the confusion. Onyango Oloo Nairobi, Kenya
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Post by mzee on Dec 19, 2011 13:03:59 GMT 3
Well, it looks like the one and the only double O got it right. What a relief, I was beginning to think the the PM has lost it, Kabisa
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Post by Omwenga on Dec 19, 2011 18:35:50 GMT 3
A technocrat's position is of limited use politically, but when placed in the wrong hands it has the potential of doing some serious political damage as Miguna's tenure illustrates. @luodeng. You have eloquently stated something I have unintentionally done a good job hiding in my own post on this which is basically my point!
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Post by Omwenga on Dec 19, 2011 18:45:45 GMT 3
Interesting! Now am confused. Is Mwangi taking the vacant sit of Miguna Miguna, or a different one? Man K:You are justified in your confusion. The media is deliberately misleading the public. Inserting Miguna's name into a headline-whether in Jukwaa or the Daily Nation-makes the story more juicy than it actually is. Paul Mwangi has NOT replaced Miguna Miguna. Paul Mwangi has replaced Mugambi Imanyara who resigned last year. Paul Mwangi's title is Adviser, Legal Affairs. Miguna Miguna's title was Adviser, Coalition Affairs & Joint Secretary to the Permanent Committee on the Management of Coalition Affairs.Paul Mwangi was appointed by the Permanent Secretary, Office of the Prime Minister, Mohammed Isahakia. Miguna Miguna's appointment letter was signed by President Mwai Kibaki.In short, Prime Minister Raila Odinga has yet to name the person who has replaced Miguna Miguna.I hope this clears up the confusion. Onyango Oloo Nairobi, KenyaOO, Excellent clarification. The media deliberately misleads all the time and is why I parody them some times, especially when they really do a good job of misleading. BTW, here in the US, we have a program called Reliable Sources, reliablesources.blogs.cnn.com/ hosted by a leading media critic and professor by the name Howard Kurtz which critically looks at media reporting, usually Broadcast and Print. There is also Media Matters, mediamatters.org/ which does the same thing but focuses on the Right Wing dominated Talk Radio. Do we have anything like this in Kenya? We certainly need it now more than before where more and more people are exposed to media than before.
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Post by mank on Dec 19, 2011 18:53:04 GMT 3
Interesting! Now am confused. Is Mwangi taking the vacant sit of Miguna Miguna, or a different one? Man K:
You are justified in your confusion.
The media is deliberately misleading the public.
Inserting Miguna's name into a headline-whether in Jukwaa or the Daily Nation-makes the story more juicy than it actually is.
Paul Mwangi has NOT replaced Miguna Miguna.
Paul Mwangi has replaced Mugambi Imanyara who resigned last year.
Paul Mwangi's title is Adviser, Legal Affairs.
Miguna Miguna's title was Adviser, Coalition Affairs & Joint Secretary to the Permanent Committee on the Management of Coalition Affairs.
Paul Mwangi was appointed by the Permanent Secretary, Office of the Prime Minister, Mohammed Isahakia.
Miguna Miguna's appointment letter was signed by President Mwai Kibaki.
In short, Prime Minister Raila Odinga has yet to name the person who has replaced Miguna Miguna.
I hope this clears up the confusion.
Onyango Oloo Nairobi, Kenya OO, It certainly clears the confusion. At times I think the journalists do themselves a deservice sensitionalizing issues that are bound to talk for themselves. I wonder whether they care about any loyalty from readers, or whether to them sensitional untruths on a single topic can give them the kick of their carreers!
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Post by jakaswanga on Dec 19, 2011 21:12:40 GMT 3
Well, it looks like the one and the only double O got it right. What a relief, I was beginning to think the the PM has lost it, Kabisa So it takes OO of Jukwaa to clear a confusion at the PM's? One would have reasonably thought his name's mate, Dennis, is the one who takes home a power-pack of taxpayer's goodies as renumerations for lies dispelled from medialand! As it is, apparently One Onyango does the work on no pay, another Onyango gets the pay for no work! Neat!
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Post by tnk on Dec 19, 2011 21:44:06 GMT 3
OO
thanks for the clarification
its a pity that we cannot trust the media to even get basic facts right
however, now i wonder if anyone can also clear a confusion arising from this clarification
up until aug 28 2010, it was understandable that amos wako, the AG then was a status quo stooge/handyman or whatever, and therefore despite or rather in order for NARA and constitution to work, there was a need for the disadvantaged half of govt to have legal adviser to counter any potential mischief. i.e wako for the govt and imanyara for the other half.
in practice however, the legal adviser for the govt (which includes the executive and legislature) is the AG.
now the current AG was appointed by both principals. so why does the PM still need another legal adviser? does he not have confidence in the person he appointed with his co-principal to be legal adviser to the govt of which he is a part of?
anyway supposing that there is justification in this post, then looking at the mindset of the current AG (prof githu) does the PM need someone who totally mirrors this mindset or does he need someone who holds different mindset. looking at the interviews and articles by mwangi, one gets the impression that he is a true student of githu. therefore the PM is actually getting more of the same, wonder why?
anyway, to each his own, i maintain that this is a blunder.
looks like the PM's __ tank has acquired fresh plan/staff/ideas and are out there aggressively altering the landscape.
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Post by tnk on Dec 19, 2011 21:53:38 GMT 3
As it is, apparently One Onyango does the work on no pay, another Onyango gets the pay for no work! Neat! ;D ;D good one
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Dec 19, 2011 22:15:54 GMT 3
Interesting to note that Mugambi Imanyara had already quit his position at the PM's office. This is the same man who gave out ODM for a job in return. The turnover at the PM's office is terrifying.
I concur with TNK above on the value of some of these appointments. A review of Raila's appointments gives a rough idea of how bloated his government can be. In desperation to copy everything whitehouse, we have some very worthless offices like the one in question, yet with very high salaries for the occupants.
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Post by Luol Deng on Dec 20, 2011 9:26:03 GMT 3
Interesting to note that Mugambi Imanyara had already quit his position at the PM's office. This is the same man who gave out ODM for a job in return. The turnover at the PM's office is terrifying. I concur with TNK above on the value of some of these appointments. A review of Raila's appointments gives a rough idea of how bloated his government can be. In desperation to copy everything whitehouse, we have some very worthless offices like the one in question, yet with very high salaries for the occupants. Mwalimumkuu, It is funny when someone raises an alarm over a burning candle in a neighbours house when they are in the middle of a fiery inferno themselves. If we are to start talking of turnover let us start with the position of the state house comptroller. Over to you.
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