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Post by nok on Jan 30, 2012 13:19:48 GMT 3
If Mudavadi would today declare for presidency and challenge Raila; not in the ODM primary but in the real electionhe would have the best chances of being the next CEO of Kenya. But is Mudavadi that cruel of a politician? Is he willing to play the betrayal politics of Kenya ? Is he willing to break the pact he made with Raila ? Yes Raila is the best material we have as CEO of Kenya but I fear that his Canaan is harder to reach than Mudavadi's. His is a split in two for Kenya. Is Mudavadi firmly in ODM ?I beg to say yes. But he seems to be a person acceptable to both spectrums of the Kenyan divide. BUT ! If I was to give my own objective advice to Mr. Nice; Your chances of ever being President of the Republic of Kenya will never exceed those of today! The question one begs to answer is; What should you do ? play 2 nd fiddle one more time ? if yes what happens when ODM looses ? What are your prospects in the future in that sort of a scenario ? What would Raila, Uhuru, Kalonzo, Ruto or Martha do if they were you. They would take the opportunity and never turn back! But let us Visit Omwenga's thread; jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6485&page=1And reevaluate the dynamics on the ground again!! www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000051082&cid=4&ttl=Uhuru, Ruto newfound unity after indictment One last thing ! We are a divided country and what we need urgently is a unifying figure, one who will help us heal our wounds, one who will enable us take a break from the high octane emotional politics that we are so engraved in. Those guys leading the polls are not necessarily that sort of pedigree. And this entitlement issue must be addressed. If a K or the other K takes over again, this will not be the case |
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Post by nok on Jan 30, 2012 13:48:32 GMT 3
jukwaa and all I therefore propose the following;1. Mudavadi forms his own Party or Joins a pre-existing one and then goes for the presidency. 2.Raila goes for presidency as the ODM candidate 3.ODM picks elects a woman or tries to woo PK as VP Candidate 4. The rest of G7 can continue with their antics 5. Elections are done and we head to a runoff I foresee a runoff between Raila and Mudavadi and if not Mudavadi then joins Raila in a post elections Coalition. This can be a winning formula! 
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Post by nok on Jan 30, 2012 17:51:40 GMT 3
What is my rational ? Think for a second ! The G7 alliance is trying to bite off as much as possible from RAO's = ODM support in the 47 counties and by so doing force a runoff. Then they hope to unite post elective and try to beat Raila. In this process they are counting on one of their own becoming second in round one . What would happen if an ODM friendly candidate was to become second ?? Let say for the love and hate of fantasy, this candidate manages to take huge bites from the G7 and thereby spoils for them with the result that none of the amigos ends up second or even better what happens when the G7 vote is spoiled by a Trojan Horse. That Raila gets 50% + 1 and 25% in 24/47 counties This Trojan Horse can be Mr. Mudavadi source en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_Horse |
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Post by commes on Jan 30, 2012 19:25:08 GMT 3
Nok.
You got something big going on here for all of us to ponder about. There is more than meets the eye on this thread.
Mudavadi is being courted by all and sundry for one single purpose only. To scuttle the chances of a RAO presidency. None other, other than the blue chip boy (Amos Kimunya) and a committee of no less than five power houses have been assigned the sole purpose of derailing Musalia.
Mudavadi faulted once during the Moi era. I am not so sure if he will be willing to make a similar mistake and commit political suicide.
I am yet to fully grasp why the fear of RAO. Is there something unknown to us?
Could Jukwaaist enlighten us?
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Post by nok on Jan 30, 2012 20:06:09 GMT 3
Nok. You got something big going on here for all of us to ponder about. There is more than meets the eye on this thread. Mudavadi is being courted by all and sundry for one single purpose only. To scuttle the chances of a RAO presidency. None other, other than the blue chip boy (Amos Kimunya) and a committee of no less than five power houses have been assigned the sole purpose of derailing Musalia. Mudavadi faulted once during the Moi era. I am not so sure if he will be willing to make a similar mistake and commit political suicide. I am yet to fully grasp why the fear of RAO. Is there something unknown to us? Could Jukwaaist enlighten us? I appreciate . I really keep on asking myself the same everyday. Why this pathological fear of Raila and whether it will ever subside? I really hope that we in Jukwaa can find that out soon. As to Mudavadi , you are more than right. There is more that meets the eye! |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jan 30, 2012 20:07:59 GMT 3
Nok. Mudavadi faulted once during the Moi era. I am not so sure if he will be willing to make a similar mistake and commit political suicide.
I am yet to fully grasp why the fear of RAO. Is there something unknown to us?
Could Jukwaaist enlighten us? Good questions/observation. You only need to look at the record of Raila as the PM for the last four years and therein lies your answer. No serious policy, no strategic thinking as far as governance is concerned, nothing. Look at all ODM ministries, they have consistently ranked as the worst performers and most corrupt starting with the lands ministry. The less said about his own office the better. If this be treated as a sign of things to come, which Kenyan apart from his blind supporters want to be a part of such a hopeless failure especially at such a time when the stakes have never been that high. Secondly, his near submissive and unquestioning love for the west is also a cause for alarm especially for multinationals that favor business competition. Of course the man has sold his own propaganda ala impunity etc. But I keep on asking myself, can Kenyans really talk of impunity in the current government and fail to place the two principals at the center of it? As far as Mudavadi is concerned, I am not certain that there is any scramble for him. My reading of the whole thing leads to the conclusion that it is all ODM propaganda. No serious politician would want to invest in Mudavadi outside the Odinga orbit especially in an election that is going to be as competitive and muddied as the one we are heading into. Mudavadi fears Raila just as much as he used to fear Moi. You anoint him your flag bearer in the morning and by evening he will have been run out of town. His lack of solid support especially in western also leaves him very exposed. On this one, I will agree with our topnotch lawyer (Omwenga) that the man is better off in ODM than anywhere else. He just does not have the verve, enthusiasm and spine to fight for statehouse. |
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Post by nok on Jan 30, 2012 20:17:33 GMT 3
Nok. Mudavadi faulted once during the Moi era. I am not so sure if he will be willing to make a similar mistake and commit political suicide.
I am yet to fully grasp why the fear of RAO. Is there something unknown to us?
Could Jukwaaist enlighten us? Good questions/observation. You only need to look at the record of Raila as the PM for the last four years and therein lies your answer. No serious policy, no strategic thinking as far as governance is concerned, nothing. Look at all ODM ministries, they have consistently ranked as the worst performers and most corrupt starting with the lands ministry. The less said about his own office the better. Secondly, his near submissive and unquestioning love for the west is also a cause for alarm especially for multinationals that favor business competition. As far as Mudavadi is concerned, I am certain that there is any scramble for him. My reading of the whole thing leads to the conclusion that it is all ODM propaganda. No serious politician would want to invest in Mudavadi outside the Odinga orbit especially in an election that is going to be as competitive and muddied as the one we are heading into. Mudavadi fears Raila just as much as he used to fear Moi. You anoint him your flag bearer in the morning and by evening he will have been run out of town. His lack of solid support especially in western also leaves him very exposed. On this one, I will agree with our topnotch lawyer (Omwenga) that the man is better off in ODM than anywhere else. He just does not have the verve, enthusiasm and spine to fight for statehouse. sound analysis but beg to differ! History tells us that almost all kenyan Presidents have been rather dull and underestimated prior to their presidency. Muds fits right into this schemata! I think he has been around in the political arena to have some experience about the wicked ways of kenyan Politics. I also don't agree that the above is ODM propaganda. Many an enemy of ODM have shown some interest in "Muds'. E.g in RV the fellow is quite is liked. |
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Post by emali on Jan 30, 2012 20:46:15 GMT 3
I agree with Nok regarding equating Mudavadi to every other president we have had in the past being dull or rather never the front runner going into an election but Mudavadi has to show some legitimate interest and look like he wants it by actively campaigning, as it stands now does he even have the Luhya vote? He seems very lethargic and doesn’t even seem to believe in himself. If Raila decided to be his deputy and toshad him then maybe but otherwise I just don’t see it working for him.
As for RAO it’s all because of the perceived fear that he can’t be trusted & by that I mean by the elite who have made their money by plundering state resources since independence. Kenya is unlike other African countries where the incumbent president protects their predecessors; they don’t send him to court to pay for past crimes.
I even remember during the last election hearing from some knowledgeable non-kikuyu old lady friend when Raila was up by 1 million votes that he would not ‘win’ it & sure enough she was right on the money.
Look at the Ruto situation, why did they fallout? I don’t know but Ruto is an ‘establishment’ person the kind to protect old stolen money...
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Post by nok on Jan 30, 2012 20:56:14 GMT 3
I agree with Nok regarding equating Mudavadi to every other president we have had in the past being dull or rather never the front runner going into an election but Mudavadi has to show some legitimate interest and look like he wants it by actively campaigning, as it stands now does he even have the Luhya vote? He seems very lethargic and doesn’t even seem to believe in himself. If Raila decided to be his deputy and toshad him then maybe but otherwise I just don’t see it working for him. As for RAO it’s all because of the perceived fear that he can’t be trusted & by that I mean by the elite who have made their money by plundering state resources since independence. Kenya is unlike other African countries where the incumbent president protects their predecessors; they don’t send him to court to pay for past crimes. I even remember during the last election hearing from some knowledgeable non-kikuyu old lady friend when Raila was up by 1 million votes that he would not ‘win’ it & sure enough she was right on the money. Look at the Ruto situation, why did they fallout? I don’t know but Ruto is an ‘establishment’ person the kind to protect old stolen money... Thanx for the input. Your explanation on matters why establishment doesn't trust RAO makes sense. But of late he was beginning to have some wealthy folks from Central warming up. The likes of Githunguri. Also Njonjo has always been on his side. As of Muds, isn't he currently touring the country and meeting elders??? He was somewhere in Nandi or was it Kapsabet just the other day!! Campaigning for himself. Though I agree the guy needs some amphetamines!! |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jan 30, 2012 21:24:52 GMT 3
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Post by nok on Jan 30, 2012 21:42:47 GMT 3
The Richter scale is getting busy! |
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Post by nok on Jan 31, 2012 12:17:48 GMT 3
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Post by nereah on Jan 31, 2012 12:44:03 GMT 3
native of kenya ;D
jetted back in the city in the sun and guess whats the headline of the must read the star newspaper? mudavadi shakes odm and with a kicker, raila suporters want him to slow down.
i am authoritatively informed by someone who claims to know that agwambo is hitting the road with revolutionary town hall meetings whose details i hope phil ;D may be kind enough to share with us.
so as not to derail your compelling thread, i will conflate this mudavadi question with others in my old thread, siasa moto moto II. next !
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Post by phil on Jan 31, 2012 13:45:41 GMT 3
nokMudavadi is smart enough to use this electoral period to individually increase his premium within ODM and nationally in the face of the coming Raila succession. This is where William Ruto will miss out big time! Raila has now risen above local party politics and is effectively Africa's foremost statesman. Raila has earned endorsement not just from across the border and oceans, he has been endorsed by Kibaki's own inner circle. If anyone expects Raila to answer Uhuru and Ruto with emotional rallies around the country, then they will be disappointed. Raila is currently being re-packaged and will emerge totally rebranded in the next few months and his presidential campaign will be very different from the charged rallies the country witnessed in 2007. Raila's guarded statement after the ICC confirmations where he not only called for justice for the victims but also for the "Kenyan nationals" facing the ICC paints a picture of someone who is now more nationalistic and not eager to be dragged into ethnically inclined Kenyan politics. With rumours of Raila being a one-term president (I doubt it!), Mudavadi now see's himself as a natural heir to Raila's political constituency and rather than wait to be endorsed in 2017 or 2022, he is building his own CV now. Nothing wrong with that. Mudavadi has time on hsi side, unlike the two ICC indictees or the opportunistic and agendaless Kalonzo Musyoka. My view is that there is no one who is currently able to defeat Raila in any national electoral contest individually. Not even Kibaki himself. I guess Mudavadi knows this, but being Raila's undesputed number two - offers a a safer and higher political profile than being ICC fugitive Uhuru's number two in opposition benches. The V-P's position in the new constitution is quite powerful unlike the current one occupied by Kalonzo Musyoka. Remember 10 years ago, Mudavadi was humiliated at the ballot by an unknown despite the fact he was Uhuru's running mate. A lot of water has passed under the bridge, but the key players remain unchanged. You can be sure that despite URP and New FORD-K making Mudavadi their party manifestos, Mudavadi is not about to repeat that blunder. After unsuccessfully tring to wrest Mudavadi away from ODM, sections of PNU Alliance are getting desperate. They have fronted Jirongo, fronted Wamalwa and even waved a running mate ticket to Western ALL in a bid to split ODM but this aint just working. Pre and post party coalitions currently allowed in the constitution is not just going to benefit the so called G-7. Just like it did in 2012, ODM is going to invite small parties into coalition so as to be seen as an all inclusive government. Mudavadi does not want to be edged out by agressive new comers in future. He must consolidate his position and Raila cannot shield him in future. nereah, the Prime Minister’s programme for the next one week is as follows; 1) Saturday 4th February – Machakos, Makueni and Kitui Counties in the lower Eastern region (Town hall meeting in Machakos Town). 2) Tuesday 7th February – Turkana County (Meeting in Lodwar Town). 3) Wednesday 8th February – West Pokot & Transnzoia Counties (Meeting in Kitale Town). 4) Thursday 9th February – Bungoma County (Meeting in Bungoma Town). 5) Friday 10th February – Kakamega, Busia and Vihiga Counties (Meeting in Kakamega Town).
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Post by nok on Jan 31, 2012 15:06:27 GMT 3
phil of JukwaaMen what a bombshell  eti Kib's chicken cabinet has endorsed our man! I will believe it when I see sorry feel it bro. But thanks for the detailed reply and for the Town hall dates. Will they be live on TV and vernacular radio stations?? That would be a breathe of fresh air. And how are the participants going to be selected. Or are tickets being sold. ?? ;D ;D nereahAs usual spicing the Forum. Thanks ;D looking forward to siasa moto moto. That reminds of sister Ray C But on a more serious note ; I don't know why Midiwo is going ballistics about Muds!! Jamani if you compare ODM primaries or should I say Primary debate to what's happening in Flo ri da between Newt and the half Mexican guy from Mormon invest inc. or compare that to Obama-Clinton affair, Midiwo should not panic. In fact an ODM primary is the best way to test possible attack & defend strategies before the real fight. But anyway we are still toddling with democracy, No one can blame us ;D Have a nice day and let us in on last weekends-happenings .
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Post by phil on Jan 31, 2012 18:08:47 GMT 3
phil of JukwaaMen what a bombshell eti Kib's chicken cabinet has endorsed
our man! I will believe it when I see sorry feel it bro. But thanks for the detailed reply and for the Town hall dates. Will they be live on TV and vernacular radio stations?? That would be a breathe of fresh air. And how are the participants going to be selected. Or are tickets being sold. ?? ;D ;D You need to stop reading online Kenyan newspapers and facebook and proceed to the ground to and put your ear to the ground. Raila vuka'd a long time ago......Ruto and Uhuru wont even know what hit them. For now, I will tell you two things: ONE : Raila has (since May 2008) been holding what is known as PM's Round Table with the increasingly infuential Kenya Private Sector Alliance. Since then, KEPSA and the Prime Minister have been meetings on a quarterly basis, to discuss national policies and strategies of concern to the private sector, and agree the way forward. These quarterly meetings provide an opportunity for the private sector to directly engage the Prime Minister himself, and as the Coordinator of the Ministries , to amplify private sector issues, and review government progress on the establishment of an enabling business environment and the implementation of reforms. KEPSA employs hundreds of thousands of Kenyans and million others indirectly depend on KEPSA as source of livelihoods. Notwithstanding KEPSA is a leading tax payer and key player in economic development of this country. All you have to do, nok, is to check links between KEPSA membership and the people who sorround the president, and that KEPSA members have always been at the OPM, rather than OP, whenever they encounter problems be it with trade unions or oil companies. And just yesterday, KEPSA launched a Kshs. 2billion peace campaign aimed at ensuring peaceful electioneering and condusive business atmosphere. Again here, note this campaign runs counter to what Uhuru and Ruto are preaching at their post Hague confirmation rallies. Could it be another coincidence that the PM is attending to all these numerous matters of economic benefit to Kenya in the last two weeks, while his biggest political opponents are holding charged political rallies aimed at stoking tribal emotions? You are looking at two entirely different sets of politicians. One set is consumed with bitterness and hell bent on revenge, while the other is purely focused on puting this country on the economic and democratic development map, and is engaging at all levels in society. As Finance Minister, Uhuru mostly played to political gallery rather than economy. Uhuru was reluctant to tax MPs, openly frustrated the Kazi Kwa Vijana programme. Uhuru was hell bent to see no ODM-sponsored project saw light of day and if it did, the credit would go to PNU side of government. Even at the Hague, Uhuru was not interested in defending himself. He was more interested in implicating Raila Odinga on the basis of their political differences. Of course KEPSA and the common man took note of all these! TWO: When Kibaki a senior-most inner-circle operative Dr. Joe B Wanjui led a "goodwill "delegation of business and political persons to Raila's Karen home sometimes towards the end of last year, many eyebrows were raised because Wanjui is defacto leader of Kibaki's kitchen cabinet yet he Wanjui did not hesistate when he openly endorsed Raila at that meeting also attended by Njenga Karume (GEMA Patron), Charles Njonjo, MP Stanley Munga Githunguri, Nation Media Group Chairman Wilfred D. Kiboro (who is also the Standard Chartered Bank Group Chairman), Royal Media Group Chairman SK Macharia, the PNU Chairman, Colonel (Rtd.) James Imbui, businessman/golfer James Koome, MP Mithika Linturi and others. Could it now also be a mere coincidence that Raila is increasingly receiving positive media coverage from RMS where Macharia is Chairman and Uhuru is being suprisingly asked to resign by NMG editorial where Kiboro is Chairman? Please bear in mind Wanjui is not your average run-of-the-mill power broker and has been in the thick of things since 2003 when Kibaki was first elected president. You cannot talk of Kibaki's kitchen cabinet without mentioning the name of Dr. Wanjui. And what do you make of Dr. Wanjui's own assertion: “I have been president kibaki's supporter and friend for many years. I am still his friend and supporter. but after looking around and searching far and wide, the only person capable of consolidating the leadership and development Kibaki has established is Raila Odinga”. And state house has not come out to disown Wanjui like they have so often done to the likes Kalonzo Musyoka. My view is that this is the closest Kibaki has come to endorsing his coalition partner and it is not to far fetched to imagine that the if there was any thing as the Sagana deal in 2008, then it is unfolding right infront of our eyes and 2012 will leave many surprised, not that Raila needs the endorsement but because Kibaki simply has no feasible choice other than that. While all this is happening, one Kalonzo Musyoka has forgotten IDPs that he once visited for a photo-op in Naivasha and is shamelessly dancing with the political wolves, eargerly waiting to be toshwad. How sad. But hardly surprising for someone who was ex-President Moi's joint number three student after the late Okiki Amayo, followed closely by Hezekiah Oyugi and tying with the late Shariff Nassir. Shindwe kabisa. |
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Post by nok on Jan 31, 2012 23:31:55 GMT 3
philMy broda oh! Hapo umetobao maze! For this depth of info i sincerely appreciate your open contribution. I will digest it, sleep over it and extend some feelers in order to respond to you. Nonetheless am still of the opinion its never game over untill the ref. With the name isaac , how I wish we were in the biblical epoque, blows the whistle after injury time.
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Post by nok on Feb 1, 2012 12:10:50 GMT 3
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Post by nok on Feb 2, 2012 16:51:38 GMT 3
phil Considering the response you made Raila has crossed. If that is is so; am a happy person. Considering another response you made in another Muds thread, some G7 amigos is a watermelon. I suspect it is Jomo's son. Taking your first Consideration into account since he belongs to Emilio's chicken cabinet. Tell me am wrong! I know my timing is.
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Post by phil on Feb 2, 2012 17:15:43 GMT 3
phil Considering the response you made Raila has crossed. If that is is so; am a happy person. Considering another response you made in another Muds thread, some G7 amigos is a watermelon. I suspect it is Jomo's son. Taking your first Consideration into account since he belongs to Emilio's chicken cabinet. Tell me am wrong! I know my timing is. No comment. Situations change in politics. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Feb 3, 2012 1:26:28 GMT 3
Exactly the way I would have seen it: www.standardmedia.co.ke/columnists/InsidePage.php?id=2000051353&cid=483&Mudavadi has no choice really but to stick with ODM. He lacks the muscle to tackle Raila despite having been one of the well known Rugby players at Nairobi school. Neither does he have the political brains to outwit UHURUTO. I listened to him in the interview that Nok posted here earlier and I quivered at his proclamation that he does not want to be rebel without a cause. This explains why Mudavadi may never know how exactly he got into politics and why he is in it. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Feb 5, 2012 23:57:34 GMT 3
What a good time to be a Mudavadi:
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Post by commes on Feb 6, 2012 10:50:55 GMT 3
What a good time to be a Mudavadi: I do not envy Musalia at this point in time too. What is actually happening? 1. Could this be an ODM strategy to strengthen the party? I have my doubts. 2. Has someone promised or offered Mudavadi a bigger portion of the loaf? I have my suspicions. 3. Is Mudavadi positioning himself for the No1 seat and/or to better negotiate for any other senior positions in the next government? This is a constant. By Beautah Omanga and Vitalis Kimutai ODM leaders are preparing for a PG meeting on Mudavadi to discuss the potentially destructive rivalry building up between supporters of party leader Mr Raila Odinga and his deputy Mr Musalia Mudavadi. They are also expected to come up with an official party position on plans by Attorney General Githu Muigai and Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Mr Keriako Tobiko to re-open 5,000 post election violence case files for domestic trials. Sources told The Standard on Sunday that due to the perception Raila and Mudavadi are pulling apart, something that could split the party; an urgent Parliamentary Group meeting is to be convened this week. It is expected that Mudavadi will explain his sudden robust campaign for ODM’s top seat, amid the perception that he is bruising for a fight with the PM to clinch the party’s presidential flag bearer tag. Sources in the party say there is suspicion that, although it is Mudavadi’s right to speak and fight for any seat, he could have been set up against Raila by the PM’s rivals outside ODM, and that is why his language and style has changed. At the same time at a meeting between Raila and Maasai leaders led by Heritage minister William ole Ntimama and John Nkaissery on Sunday, the PM for the first time hinted there was an external hand in what was going on in the party. He pointed out that ODM members have appreciated that any internal bickering would send their ‘enemies’ into celebration. Curious demandBut to cap the day, the Maasai leaders curiously demanded that the party’s presidential ticket, which Raila and Mudavadi are eyeing, should be given to the PM without contest, because he has what it takes to win the main race. "When we meet as a PG, we will expect Musalia to tell us why he suddenly he feels he is better than party leader Raila Odinga," revealed Assistant Minister Magerer Lang’at. Meanwhile, Mudavadi continued with his campaign at the Coast over the weekend as Raila went to Machakos. On Sunday Raila met Maasai leaders in Ongata Rongai, while Mudavadi was in Lugari attending the burial of former MP, Apili Wawire. Magerer, an ardent supporter of the PM, claimed a "silent majority’ in the party is of the view that PM’s known political competitors are fronting Mudavadi. "There is an unwritten political law that a leader in office is always given a chance to defend his position unless he opts out. Raila should have been left to run without any challenge from genuine party members who agree with his strong leadership principals. What wrong has Musalia seen in his leader?" asked Magerer. Raila’s shortfalls The Kipkelion MP said during the PG, the Sabatia MP would also be asked to explain Raila’s shortfalls that have now, "forced him to put up a strong campaign to take away the party leadership from him". Magerer, who is also the Energy Assistant Minister, said it was clear that Raila’s rivals (Eldoret North MP) William Ruto and (Deputy Prime Minister) Uhuru Kenyatta were the hidden hand in the DPM’s intensive and aggressive campaigns. East African Cooperation Minister Musa Sirma confirmed to The Standard that the PG meeting would be held in the middle of the week. "Top on the agenda of the PG meeting would be the decision by DPP to re-open the files pertaining to minor post-election violence offenders," explained Sirma. Sirma explained there was concern and suspicion that the cases would be used to harass, arrest and prosecute innocent youths. "We want to deliberate on the matter and take a common position before giving our supporters across the country the direction we are taking," Sirma said on the phone. Budalang’i MP Ababu Namwamba, who is ODM Parliamentary Group Secretary, said the exact date of the PG would be confirmed on Monday and added the question of the 5,000 case files would be discussed. "This is a matter of national concern and it will definitely be discussed during the meeting," Namwamba said. Many ODM top leaders to have expressed reservations on Mudavadi’s candidature include Chief Whip Jakoyo Midiwo. Speaking in Machakos on Saturday, Ntimama said it was "pure hypocrisy" for any ODM leader to take on Raila in ODM. Cabinet Minister Franklin Bett was also quoted expressing fear that ODM delegates still sympathetic to Ruto, who has since left the party, in Rift Valley, were likely to support Mudavadi so as to weaken Raila. PropagandaBut Vihiga MP Yusuf Chanzu and his Belgut counterpart, Mr Charles Keter, who is with Ruto in United Republican Party, dismissed the claims as campaign propaganda aimed at scaring Mudavadi. "Ruto’s supporters do clean politics. We have moved to a new party, URP and there is nothing (left) for us in ODM. If the Raila camp is feeling Mudavadi’s heat, let them deal with it without dragging Ruto and Uhuru into it," said Keter. He said the delegates were elected to their positions for being ODM members and will not be influenced by Ruto’s URP. He, however, said, "if they were given a choice between Mudavadi and Raila, it is obvious they would vote for Mudavadi, but that is not the situation now since Ruto is still in the race to State House." Chanzu dismissed claims of Ruto’s or Uhuru’s hand in Mudavadi’s resurgence as propaganda, which must be ignored. "That is cheap propaganda. Ruto and Uhuru’s supporters are currently not bona fide ODM members,’’ he added. "They are either URP or PNU or even Kanu. Only bone fide delegates will be allowed to vote during the ODM presidential nominations,’’ argued Chanzu. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000051531&cid=4 |
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Post by mangai on Feb 6, 2012 12:25:20 GMT 3
I like the vigour with which Mudavadi has gone round to market himself to ODM delegates. At least he has come out and shown that he can be his own man, something that even some Jukwaaists have been demanding of him.
In all his campaigns, Mudavadi has not uttered or done anything to disrespect/disparage Raila as could be expected in such campaigns as we are currently witnessing the Republican Party primaries in the USA. It is therefore disheartening when some Raila supporters like Hon. William ole Ntimama utter words like ‘it is hypocrisy kwa yule kijana kutoka Vihiga….’ Imagine if Mudavadi’s supporters were to resort to that line of attack. Again the idea of ODM parliamentary group meeting to discuss Mudavadi can only imply that ODM is out to stifle competition and democracy is practised when only one supports Raila.
Mudavadi has also come out with this ‘peculiar’ demand that ODM nominations MUST be held at the county level and not at the national delegates’ conference where delegates are prone to be manipulated. In essence what he is telling Kenyans to ponder is that Raila might have won the ODM nominations in 2007 by manipulating the delegates at Kasarani. The method he proposes can only come to fruition if approved by the delegates’ conference. It is currently not in the ODM constitution. However, it has been reported that Mudavadi prefers that method while Raila prefers the other, even if the latter has never personally expressed that opinion.
We also need to look at the leaders urging Mudavadi on. They are Raila’s opponents, the likes of Jirongo and Khalwale. Their intention is not hard to decipher.
To ODM, agree to the idea of holding nominations at county level and explore ways of ensuring that the delegates are not infiltrated by ODM opponents. Nip that discussion in the bud. Isn’t it Raila who agreed to presidential system of government when everybody knew he was rooting for parliamentary system? He took by surprise those who thought he could not agree to the proposal.
The method of nomination has in the past led to split of FORD while Kalonzo ran away with ODM certificate after he felt his preferred method of directly nominating a presidential candidate could not carry the day. He was later to get himself elected ODM K presidential candidate by the delegates’ conference, the same method he was opposed to in the first place! Talk of former Rift Valley, Central and Eastern province delegates conspiring to elect Mudavadi is a non-issue. Those delegates, unless planted by Ruto or Uhuru, are not G7 alliance supporters. Those are the few ODM supporters who have chosen to stick their heads high in the face of hostility that their regions may harbour to ODM. It is like saying Kuguru, Joe Nyagah or Mpuru Aburi will vote for Mudavadi simply because they come from central and eastern, regions perceived to be anti Raila.
Don’t give Mudavadi an excuse to bolt out of ODM. There will be many waiting in the wings to exploit the situation.
After sorting out that issue of method of nomination, let the candidates hit the ground running, campaign without any mudslinging, for they will still require each other for the main battle.
Even after electing the presidential candidate, ODM will still need to have a ‘convention’ for this is where momentum for campaigns is built.
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Post by kamalet on Feb 6, 2012 12:55:16 GMT 3
Mudavadi finds himself in a position he perhaps never thought he would be in...determining the future of ODM and also the possibility of Raila ever becoming president. He started a quiet campaign that suddenly becomes a matter that complicates it for Raila especially with his call for county based primaries as opposed to "kichinjio kasarani" where delegates shout their preferred candidate especially when he may not have a say in how delegates get appointed.
At the outset, the county primary suggestion seems a very democratic way of getting a presidential nominee for any party and if ODM can pioneer this, then they will be entrenching a good democratic future for this country.
The problem however is the difficulty the Mudavadi campaign presents to ODM. The fact that he has decided to put his hat in the ring and is actually going for it means that he cannot be ignored. It is already clear that the jesters and sycophants that surround Raila are already asking him to slow down and not oppose the leader. Raila is saying that what Mudavadi is saying is his democratic right, but the fact that he does not stop these characters from repeating it means that he would wish for that scenario.
The danger in all this is that should ODM not listen to Mudavadi and actually push him off or even go ahead and have a nomination process that he feels was not fair would lead to him walking away from ODM - and only a FOOL in DOM can ignore this.
It should be remembered that the G7 has young Wamalwa as their pointman in Luhyia land and Mudavadi being a senior politician from the region has been placed in the untenable position that if he does not stand, then the community goes where they are being recognised. For Mudavadi, he has himself properly set up by both sides and he is just reacting to the present day dynamics of politics.
So can Raila win a county based primary nomination process? The man is claimed to be popular. But for the sake of his political future and most importantly that of ODM he needs to concede to this process and go out to beat Mudavadi in the nomination process.
It should never be a must win situation for Raila and he must guard against the predictions of Jirongo and others that he will will dump ODM if he loses the nomination to Mudavadi. That Luhyia constituency is vitally important to ODM and only fools in ODM can ignore it.
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