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Post by adongo23456 on Feb 26, 2012 23:17:34 GMT 3
Since Miguna has confirmed his dealings with Mr. Corsi according to the DN story, I decided to post this. Mr Jerome Corsi is so racist and obsessed with Obama hate groups that even in the US he is considered to toxic to be taken seriously. He tried in vain to finish Obama as he promised and invented conspiracy theories so extreme and false that even Sarah Plain looked sane compared to Jerome Corsi. I was surprised he is now Miguna's pal in shopping for a publisher. It seems Miguna couldn't get any other publisher. This is like an an African American activist working with the Ku Klux Klan as their publishers. It is embarrassing to say the least but probably not surprising given what we have seen lately. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Miguna+sends+book+on+Raila+to+controversial+US+publisher+/-/1064/1335692/-/934348z/-/index.htmlWho is Jerome Corsi? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Corsi
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Post by johns on Feb 27, 2012 0:33:34 GMT 3
Plain shocking to see a man lower himself to that depth, you begin to wonder whether Miguna really understood why Moi had to be fought or whether he did it because he believed that was his way to become famous like other people.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2012 0:43:54 GMT 3
Since Miguna has confirmed his dealings with Mr. Corsi according to the DN story, I decided to post this. Mr Jerome Corsi is so racist and obsessed with Obama hate groups that even in the US he is considered to toxic to be taken seriously. He tried in vain to finish Obama as he promised and invented conspiracy theories so extreme and false that even Sarah Plain looked sane compared to Jerome Corsi. I was surprised he is now Miguna's pal in shopping for a publisher. It seems Miguna couldn't get any other publisher. This is like an an African American activist working with the Ku Klux Klan as their publishers. It is embarrassing to say the least but probably not surprising given what we have seen lately. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Miguna+sends+book+on+Raila+to+controversial+US+publisher+/-/1064/1335692/-/934348z/-/index.htmlWho is Jerome Corsi? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_CorsiAdongo that's just really cheap of Miguna. He's in bed with Corsi alright, snuggled right up! Wasn't Miguna a champion of the anti-racist movements in Toronto at some point. The BadC, Black Action Defense Committee., close to the late Dudley Laws, Lawyer Charlie Roach. Legally, Miguna worked really hard to see to it that Racism, and other issues like what he called trumped up charges by The Toronto Police Force was brought to account. This bore personal fruit for Miguna. Now he's up to other important things. Here on in, nobody is going to take him seriously. We'll even forget anything that he ever did that made any sense! Even PM will stop bestowing the title Honorable on him!
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Post by mbuta on Feb 27, 2012 0:59:49 GMT 3
I am only waiting for the take on one person here - Onyango Oloo....Miguna Miguna and Jerome Corsi in one sentence...someone needs to properly advice MM and OO, I think as a personal friend to Miguna,you should take him aside and have a heart to heart with him. There is a proverb about a desert snake, which goes for a long time without eating and when it finally catches game, gorges itself to death...
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Post by moesha on Feb 27, 2012 1:12:58 GMT 3
Quite a 'fighter for reforms." In times of desperation Miguna has decided to make a deal with the devil. We will judge you by the company you keep and it will not be pretty. Let the book come out, we are waiting. I also hope he made enough money to last him a lifetime.
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Post by amunra on Feb 27, 2012 1:17:59 GMT 3
. . This is like an an African American activist working with the Ku Klux Klan as their publishers. SMH At this rate i can forsee some people will even work with the devil him/herself so that one Raila can never become president. This book might have provided some insights into how RAO presidency would portend to or not. However that opportuiny would seem lost before it started. Unfortunately the book will be categorised as another consipracy attempt by Corsi a la Miguna. For Corsi: its all about getting Obama For Miguna: its all about RAO Miguna? Really.#FAIL
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Post by furaha on Feb 27, 2012 1:33:48 GMT 3
I agree with the general sentiment here. Miguna should not have linked up with Corsi. Period.
But wait a minute....! Do we know whether it was really impossible to find a publisher in Kenya or elsewhere in Africa and what the reasons for this were? We do not. All we know is that one interested Kenyan publisher accepted the draft but did not want to publish it until after the election.... Think again. Should we not also criticize that publisher and possibly others who may have thought that the book was too hot too handle? I for one would like to have further background information. Do Kenyan publishers fear a backlash if they agree to publish the manuscript? And where does that leave freedom of speech and expression, especially in an alection year?
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Post by Kamadar on Feb 27, 2012 1:51:22 GMT 3
Miguna has completely lost his mind. He has lost all the credibility he had left as far as I am concerned. Why would he stoop this low? I have admired and rooted for this guy ever since I knew him, but now? I just don't believe him. What a waste.
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Post by adongo23456 on Feb 27, 2012 2:06:45 GMT 3
I agree with the general sentiment here. Miguna should not have linked up with Corsi. Period. But wait a minute....! Do we know whether it was really impossible to find a publisher in Kenya or elsewhere in Africa and what the reasons for this were? We do not. All we know is that one interested Kenyan publisher accepted the draft but did not want to publish it until after the election.... Think again. Should we not also criticize that publisher and possibly others who may have thought that the book was too hot too handle? I for one would like to have further background information. Do Kenyan publishers fear a backlash if they agree to publish the manuscript? And where does that leave freedom of speech and expression, especially in an alection year? furaha furaha,Publishing a book is not that much of a big deal anymore. You can even publish a book yourself and just get printers. The real problems with publishers is when you have stuff that can put the publishers at risk with libel cases. That happens when you are cooking things up and you can't back them up or when you are in the gossiping business. Corsi's myth that Raila somehow intimidates puplishers is just plain nonsense as far as I am concerned. Miguna got kicked out of the Star and he blamed Raila for that. Last time I checked there a dozen pieces every week very critical of Raila and getting published by the Star. To his credit Miguna in his talk with the DN dismissed Jerome Corsi's idea that the Kenyan publishers are victims of state repression. Miguna getting mixed up with this mad man called Jerome Corsi is going to be very expensive for Miguna's personal integrity. For one thing Muguna will have to take orders from Corsi and play to Corsi's agenda. It cannot be the other way round and that is why is more interested in talking about Barck Obama. Miguna will have to play ball.
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Post by 50cents on Feb 27, 2012 2:16:07 GMT 3
Adongo
Basically Miguna continues to dig his own grave even when the soil has reached his waste.
I would really want to give Bwana Miguna every shadow of doubt, but from this end he has exhausted all of them and I have no more left to give.
I really hope he is upto some good, though my intelligence says otherwise.
Good luck bro Miguna
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Post by tnk on Feb 27, 2012 2:19:30 GMT 3
out of the pan and leap into a raging inferno
there can be no retraction
i would like to revisit the impact of this action in about 4 years from today
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Post by furaha on Feb 27, 2012 2:31:21 GMT 3
Publishing a book is not that much of a big deal anymore. You can even publish a book yourself and just get printers. The real problems with publishers is when you have stuff that can put the publishers at risk with libel cases. That happens when you are cooking things up and you can't back them up or when you are in the gossiping business. Adongo, and what about the Kenyan booksellers? A few years back when "Its our turn to eat" by Michaela Wrong came out, they could not sell it for fear of being taken to court... Yes, the judiciary is reforming and one would expect judges to be more careful and in cases of libel suits to go for the author and the publisher rather than the booksellers whom they intimidated in the 90's. But judging by Warsame's ruling on the TJRC the judiciary's old guard is still up to its tricks. The fact that Miguna has chosen to publish his manuscript with Corsi may actually increase booksellers reluctance to sell it, even if there is money to be made. If that is how it turns out Miguna has himself to blame. furaha
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Post by adongo23456 on Feb 27, 2012 2:35:02 GMT 3
Since Miguna has confirmed his dealings with Mr. Corsi according to the DN story, I decided to post this. Mr Jerome Corsi is so racist and obsessed with Obama hate groups that even in the US he is considered to toxic to be taken seriously. He tried in vain to finish Obama as he promised and invented conspiracy theories so extreme and false that even Sarah Plain looked sane compared to Jerome Corsi. I was surprised he is now Miguna's pal in shopping for a publisher. It seems Miguna couldn't get any other publisher. This is like an an African American activist working with the Ku Klux Klan as their publishers. It is embarrassing to say the least but probably not surprising given what we have seen lately. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Miguna+sends+book+on+Raila+to+controversial+US+publisher+/-/1064/1335692/-/934348z/-/index.htmlWho is Jerome Corsi? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_CorsiAdongo that's just really cheap of Miguna. He's in bed with Corsi alright, snuggled right up! Wasn't Miguna a champion of the anti-racist movements in Toronto at some point. The BadC, Black Action Defense Committee., close to the late Dudley Laws, Lawyer Charlie Roach. Legally, Miguna worked really hard to see to it that Racism, and other issues like what he called trumped up charges by The Toronto Police Force was brought to account. This bore personal fruit for Miguna. Now he's up to other important things. Here on in, nobody is going to take him seriously. We'll even forget anything that he ever did that made any sense! Even PM will stop bestowing the title Honorable on him! Kathure,Yes Miguna has been involved in anti-racism work here in Toronto with people who wouldn't even go near Jerome Corsi. I wonder what they will have to say about this new development. The real sad part is that Miguna has considers himself a Pan Africanist. Miguna went to great length in his website when he launched his campaign for the Nyando seat to talk about his involvement with the Pan African movement and his trip to Kampala, Uganda to promote Pan Africanism. Now here we have the great Pan Africanist, Miguna Miguna working with the most toxic racist in our time. Prof. Horace Campbell, an internationally respected activist and Pan Africanist was in Nairobi recently promoting his book on President Barack Obama which is the exact opposite of Jerome Corsi's racist book on Obama. www.standardmedia.co.ke/arts/InsidePage.php?id=2000029941&cid=291¤tPage=1What would somebody like Prof. Horace Campbell make of Miguna's tango with Jerome Corsi? What does Miguna get out of this? Is it getting a book published? Is it getting money from a book? What is Miguna's price in dealing Jerome Corsi? These are questions Miguna is going to have to deal with. If Miguna wants to talk about integrity, he may have to start with his own integrity given this move he has made.
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Post by einstein on Feb 27, 2012 2:53:28 GMT 3
I agree with the general sentiment here. Miguna should not have linked up with Corsi. Period. But wait a minute....! Do we know whether it was really impossible to find a publisher in Kenya or elsewhere in Africa and what the reasons for this were? We do not. All we know is that one interested Kenyan publisher accepted the draft but did not want to publish it until after the election.... Think again. Should we not also criticize that publisher and possibly others who may have thought that the book was too hot too handle? I for one would like to have further background information. Do Kenyan publishers fear a backlash if they agree to publish the manuscript? And where does that leave freedom of speech and expression, especially in an alection year? furaha Sister Furaha,Your dear friend Miguna Miguna is nothing but a desperate financial and political gold-digger! I said the same before on another MM thread on this very board and I shall repeat it any day. This statement from yourself is just pathetic, considering how you followed it up in the next paragraph: I agree with the general sentiment here. Miguna should not have linked up with Corsi. Period. Even if MM were your closest of all relations, you should always strive to come across in all your contributions as an informed and intelligent contributor. Asking us to question the motives that led to the Kenyan publisher delaying the publication of the "volcanic book" is rather too lame. It is as if you have suddenly and conveniently forgotten that there are enough anti-Raila crusaders in Kenya that would have been only too willing to help MM publish his book right here in Kenya if only to bring the elephant tumbling down! Please take some time and enlighten yourself about Mr. Corsi. That is not asking for too much from yourself. With this post from yourself, you have become just but another one of the Jukwaaists on the fast lane of losing their credibility as sober contributors on this board. But I'm sure that does not bother you since you are in good company. Keep it flowing, but remember we are also on the board. While at it, please advise MM to use his valuable education to look for a well-paying but honourable job. He can make it if only he tries! I gave him that advice last year already but it looks like it fell on deaf ears. You might just have luck with him this time round! There is a lot more to do out there for an honourable living, for someone with such impeccable academic credentials like MM, than all these suicidal acts from the same. My father who sacrificed everything he had for my education, RIP daddy, would never forgive me if he heard from his grave that I resorted to MM's way of solving job problems.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Feb 27, 2012 3:00:33 GMT 3
Heheheheheheeeee!!! Being a Railalet can be tough. Reading the ten or so 'hits' above, one would think that Miguna Miguna has now joined the revered KKK.
No, he has simply found a publisher who will not bend over for the Kenyan 'messiah'. He has found someone who will publish the book as is. The desperation seems to be that if you can link the book to the character of the publisher, you succeed at destroying its credibility.
The truth, however, is that Kenyas are :'(an intelligent lot; they will read the book and make their own judgments, they can differentiate between what has been cooked up in America from what has been going on at the PM's office.
The only sad part here is the seeming high level intimidation of publishers. We already have the Nairobi star refusing tocarry Miguna's articles due to the 'PM's furry' and now this. I thought we graduated from these kinds of things, God forbid.
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Post by furaha on Feb 27, 2012 3:44:37 GMT 3
This statement from yourself is just pathetic, considering how you followed it up in the next paragraph: I agree with the general sentiment here. Miguna should not have linked up with Corsi. Period. Even if MM were your closest of all relations, you should always strive to come across in all your contributions as an informed and intelligent contributor. Asking us to question the motives that led to the Kenyan publisher delaying the publication of the "volcanic book" is rather too lame. It is as if you have suddenly and conveniently forgotten that there are enough anti-Raila crusaders in Kenya that would have been only too willing to help MM publish his book right here in Kenya if only to bring the elephant tumbling down! Please take some time and enlighten yourself about Mr. Corsi. That is not asking for too much from yourself. With this post from yourself, you have become just but another one of the Jukwaaists on the fast lane of losing their credibility as sober contributors on this board. But I'm sure that does not bother you since you are in good company. Keep it flowing, but remember we are also on the board. Einstein I am baffled. Apparently you were in such a hurry to condemn me that you didn't even bother to read what I wrote, let alone try to understand it. 1. I know who Corsi is and I think Miguna is very wrong to associate with him. It is likely to undermine whatever little credibility he had left. 2. I am still curious to find out what happened to MM's efforts to find a Kenyan publisher. How many did he approach? How many were willing to consider publishing the manuscript and what were their motives. Money? Bringing Raila down? Both? And who was that one publisher who decided to push the date of publication to 2013? And why do the media reports give the impression that this condition came as an 'afterthought' instead of being on the table from the beginning? Who or what made the publisher change his or her mind? I always thought that curiosity was a healthy characteristic. People like you are lucky. You do not need curiosity, you do not need to question: you already have all the answers.... furaha
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Post by Mobimba on Feb 27, 2012 5:45:12 GMT 3
Folks, I think let's try to understand Miguna Miguna. The guy is renting a mansion in Runda, his kids go to one of the most expensive schools in Kenya... and the guy has no job (or assets).
It just might be that the guy is BROKE. When it floods, the mice climb out of their mouse-holes at midday.
Miguna is just desparate to pay bills. Let's give him a break. In the end, he is a father with responsibilities.
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Post by johns on Feb 27, 2012 6:39:14 GMT 3
Now that Miguna has finally showed us who he really is,... that he cares and value the almighty buck over his integrity or credibility. The question i should ask myself; is it be possible that Miguna is so irked and peeved at the Prime Minister of kenya because he has been denied access to the so called corruption trough which the likes of Caroli and Issakiah have been left to enjoy all to themselves? Is it also possible that Miguna has been feeding us with lies and faking amnesia as to the reasons why he was kicked out of his office?
How far fetched is the rumour that Miguna has been on the payroll of Uhuruto since he got canned from the Prime Ministers office? I believe this latest knee jerk reaction to go into political alliance with the ku-klax Klan goes a long way in reinforcing the notion that Miguna does not believe that integrity and credibility should also apply to him as he demands it of others.
If he can descend to such desperate depth of sewage gutter to earn a buck from Kuk-Klax klan publishers, what/who else wont he touch? Does this man still want us to believe his concocted story about his dismissal by Railas office or has he finally accepted the naked truth that he is a sellout who places ego above conviction and therefore has no further role to play in the future dispensation?
Way to go Mr. Miguna, who cares how you earn your bucks. If the Rutos of this world can rise from selling groundnuts in the streets to untold riches overnight and become warlords, what else is new?
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Post by Horth on Feb 27, 2012 9:28:54 GMT 3
Goodness me, the lynching mob is out in full force.
After the 1997 elections in which Raila came in a distant third, he opted to “co-operate” with Moi, supposedly, in his words, for the greater good of Kenya. Moi, as is very well known, was really not the very nicest of people, being personally responsible for various atrocities directed towards his own citizens, whom he was supposed to protect.
Anyway, to cut a short story long, there were more than enough people who found Raila to be in the wrong, associating himself with Moi after their long and cherished history as antagonists. But this is not about Raila as a person. It’s about the reasons Raila gave when he joined forces with Moi. In this same context, we must try and understand the reasons MM decided to do what he has. I seriously doubt, and I’m willing to bet anything, that MM has not joined Corsi for his racist tendencies. To assert so would, in my opinion, be grossly unfair to the character of MM. Furaha seems to be on the right track, questioning the motives driving MM.
I’ve never really liked MM’s abrasive style yet I’m willing to give him the benefit of doubt. I bet it has all to do with the greater good for Kenya…..or at least, what MM believes is best for the country. Whether the path he’s chosen is right or wrong is another issue completely. At the end of the day, what matters most is what comes out of his book. Then we can discuss and tear him apart, if need be.
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Post by mank on Feb 27, 2012 10:00:08 GMT 3
I identify with Furaha and Horth on the matter, but I think Miguna Miguna has lost his course to a reckless hate for Raila. I thought the man, his unwise insults and belittling of others notwithstanding, was a smart fellow. Apparently he is quite the opposite!
Many Kenyans have been waiting for Miguna Miguna's promised book, especially from the time of the author on the Bench. To many of those who waited, I opine the enthusiasm is not the same now that there is a Corsi connection to the book.
Moreover, Miguna Miguna should have known that Corsi can't care squat about Raila's dealings in Kenya, unless he can connect those dealings with Obama. Corsi's mission is to destroy Obama, and he will be happy to use any literature that comes his way toward that goal.
What that means is that Corsi will try to sell the book as an anti-Obama dossier, rather than the truth that Miguna Miguna wants us to believe it is about. In the process whatever truth there is will be twisted to the point of no taste.
In my view therefore Miguna Miguna has turned his strongly promised book into tabloid literature for Corsi's kind of audience. Whatever value there was is lost unless the man reverses his steps for its salvation.
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Post by kamalet on Feb 27, 2012 10:03:53 GMT 3
Folks, I think let's try to understand Miguna Miguna. The guy is renting a mansion in Runda, his kids go to one of the most expensive schools in Kenya... and the guy has no job (or assets). It just might be that the guy is BROKE. When it floods, the mice climb out of their mouse-holes at midday. Miguna is just desparate to pay bills. Let's give him a break. In the end, he is a father with responsibilities. LincolnIf you do not know Miguna, you should not pass such harsh judgement on him. I may not agree with Miguna, but I know that he owns his Runda house and that he is also not poor. How he raises his kids should never be something we discuss here. I cannot understand the virtriol on Miguna merely because he selected a publisher some may not like. This Corsi character may be the devil incarnate, but he is also a business man who wants to make his nickels publishing books we may not agree with. On the other hand, Miguna is a writer who has a book to write and has found a publisher willing to do him a good deal when publishing his book. Miguna is not writing the book as a charity - he wants to make money out of the venture. Now the contents of the book and the writer is really what should be the discussion here rather than the publisher. How true or untrue the allegations are in the book and the political impact to Raila if any is perhaps what should be the focal point of interest!
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Post by mbuta on Feb 27, 2012 10:36:48 GMT 3
Onyango Oloo's silence on this matter is ....er...deafening...is all am saying...am not being cheeky, but I am practically levitating yawa....
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Post by destiny on Feb 27, 2012 11:20:45 GMT 3
When publishing a book, releasing an album or movie then any publicity is good publicity. Miguna must be laughing his socks off, his book has already hit the headlines of the largest newspaper in East and Central Africa.
You simply can't buy publicity like that, it would cost billions but it has cost Miguna, well........ absolutely nothing! The man has not broken any known law, so people can moan and whine till cows come home but the book will still be published and it will still come out- mpende msipende even when you attack his "rented" mansion or his family.
Personally I couldn't possibly give a rat's ass who publishes the book. It might as well be published in Mars. All I care about is the content in that "volcanic" book, period. It's possibly the most talked about book in Kenya in the last twenty years. Even Satanic Verses didn't generate this kind of excitement!
I hope Raila's infamous "kibila adui" speech will be on chapter one. We can forgive some of these crazy speeches some made in moments of madness by these bogous leaders. But we must never forget. Bring it on Big Mig!
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Post by nok on Feb 27, 2012 11:46:53 GMT 3
Kenya is a country where Integrity knows no friend: so all these are just theatrics and should not get into any body's liver.
This book will be published be whoever, will come out in June or July, we shall read it, some will get excited, some angry and some will rejoice. Miguna may take a fat cheque to the bank and 2 or 3 weeks later it will be business as usual in Kenya with our corruption, ICC, tribalism , Impunity...... you name it.
The memory of the Kenyan populace is relative short and by the end of the year that dissertation from Miguna will just be like any other ( Kroll report et al, Wikileaks e.t.c )and shall be confined to the archives = Zero Consequence.
We, the majority in Kenya, really don't read much anyway. We forget and forgive easily and we let ourselves be driven by our tribal motivations. We have elected thieves, drug lords , murderers, sonko's to high office so, we really don't give a damn what a book or a report says. In fact on the contrary, we seem to carry those least integral with the most highest of admiration.
So, Jukwaa just sit and enjoy the theatrics; Free of Charge.
Yours,
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Feb 27, 2012 12:02:39 GMT 3
Onyango Oloo's silence on this matter is ....er...deafening...is all am saying...am not being cheeky, but I am practically levitating yawa.... Mbuta:Greetings. First of all, do you imagine that I do OTHER THINGS apart from logging on to Jukwaa? Like for instance, SLEEPING? Completing my consulting assignments? Catching up with other family commitments? Secondly, I am constantly PUZZLED by the expectations of Jukwaa members. When I rush to comment on an issue, some people groan that I am "abusing" my powers as an Administrator to tilt debate this way or that. When I keep mum, folks like you Mbuta fret about so called "deafening silence" and even threaten, like you have just done, to FLOAT MID AIR in actual protest!!Anyways, I could say a lot of things that I am privy to, but I will not. Only to briefly confirm two things: 1. Miguna still lives in Runda and still maintains the lifestyle he chose for himself and his family;
2. Miguna is NOT in the employ of Uhuru, Ruto or any other politician or tycoon.
As for the Corsi furore, I will post Miguna's rejoinder as soon as I am done replying to you. Onyango Oloo Nairobi, Kenya
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