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Post by Onyango Oloo on Feb 27, 2012 12:17:06 GMT 3
Rejoinder from Miguna :
I have seen the attacks and comments on Jukwaa and other places, condemning me for buddying up to Jerome Corsi, whom they refer to as extremist and racist.
These attacks were expected it but they will not change anything. This is why.
1. The East African Educational Publishers - the largest publishing firm in East Africa - agreed to publish the book last November before the book was written. They asked me to ensure that they had the manuscript by January this year so that the book could come out in Feb or March this year.
2. I went to work and some days slept only 2 hours. I managed to finish the manuscript in January 2012.
3. The EAEP gave me letters undertaking to publish the book and took the manuscript for review.
4. They completed their review within two weeks and called me in for assessment. After the meeting, all the issues they had raised (and they were few and very minor) were resolved. They gave me another letter confirming our understanding/agreement.
5. Within one week after the assessment, they communicated with me and indicated that I would be required to sign a contract on Jan. 23rd, 2012. But they said they might not be able to meet the February date; they wanted to do it in June. I told them that was OK.
6. On Jan. 23rd, at about 6.30 p.m., I received a letter from them (electronically), indicating that unfortunately, they could not now publish the book until after the elections. One of my contacts there mentioned that the chairman of the board suddenly changed the original decision. When I pressed if they had been approached or bribed not to publish the book; they could not deny or accept. I reached my own conclusions.
7. The EAEP was the publisher of choice because I thought it was big, well established and professional. They had also showed nothing but enthusiasm at the prospect of publishing the book. They actually referred to the manuscript as a "masterpiece" and stated that they needed to publish it ahead of this year's London Book Fair.
8. The sudden change of heart surprised me and showed how compromised publishers are in Kenya.
9. I had earlier approached two other Kenyan publishers. One told me that they only do educational books. They don't do fiction, non-fiction or memoirs. The second one told me that the project was "too hot" for them (their own words).
10. I was now left with two choices: either to self-publish (with all its attendant problems) or to seek a publisher abroad.
11. Last month, a good friend of mine reported to me that Raila was boasting that my book would never see the light of day.
12. Almost at the same time, someone working at the PM's office called to tell me how Caroli Omondi was overheard boasting on the phone shortly after he had announced the "reinstatement" that "this is what will now destroy Miguna completely." In other words, the so-called reinstatement and other shenanigans were only intended to "destroy Miguna."
13. Late last year, someone from the WND had contacted me about publishing the book. I had declined. But now that I was foreseeing the prospect of Kenyan publishers refusing to publish the book in time or not at all, I had to make a decision. Would I refuse help from someone because of their political and ideological beliefs at the risk of failing to publish my book? What was important here: publishing the book without censorship and compromise or killing the idea on the basis of our ideological differences?
14. I then remembered a few historical facts that helped me make the decision: Frederick Douglass - the legendary anti-slavery hero was published by people who many would have considered racists and extremists. The same applied to Martin Luther King Jr., Frantz Fanon, Kwameh Nkrumah, Nelson Mandela, Jomo Kenyatta, Oginga Odinga - name them. The political and ideological orientation of their publishers did not affect the content of their books. After all, who owns the major publishers of the world? Are they African American activists? Which are the publishing firms owned by progressives in Kenya?
15. Many Africans - and global progressives, even revolutionaries like my late friend Dr. Tajudeen Abdul Raheem - went to Oxford University in England on RHODES SCHOLARSHIP. This is a scholarship that was started by and named after Cecil Rhodes - the legendary racist from Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. How many of these people have been subjected to hatred and vile attacks on the basis that they accepted a scholarship started and named after a racist? How about scholarships, publication and other financial support by the Rockefeller, Ford and other foundations that were started and funded by ultra racists and slave owners?
16. When many of my critics purchase a computer, use an airline like KLM and others, have they ever stopped to ask: "who owns this company; plane or airline?"
17. What about the Nobel Peace Prize - who founded and funded the prestigious prize? Wasn't he, too, considered a racist? Yet, didn’t we celebrate Mandela, Maathai and others who were bestowed by the Nobel Peace Prize?
18. Between having the book published and having it suppressed, what would you have chosen?
These are the questions we must ask; not allow ourselves to be driven by narrow mindedness and needless hatred and propaganda!
The so-called progressives now yelling at me don't own publishing firms. More significantly, they have been gleefully waiting to see me fail to publish the book. They have not been supportive at all. They are good at condemning things and people (and I have not been spared). When I was working like a dog (yes, I mean it) for Raila and ODM, they were urging me on. Yet immediately after Raila violated my constitutional and human rights, they have been the most vociferous at assassinating my character. Many others have simply hidden (from me.) I frankly don’t give a hoot!
Think about it: why are they quiet when Raila woos Moi, Njonjo, Githunguri and others? Aren't these people the ones who destroyed our lives and country? Aren't they the ones who looted our assets and stashed it abroad? So, why is it OK for Raila to consort with them and not OK for Miguna just to get published by some US firm?
Yesterday, Feb. 26th at the 9 O'clock news on Citizen TV, they had a clip on "Who Owns Kenya?” They had an oil firm worth more than Sh30 billion operating in Kenya and the region. Who are the shareholders? A prominent member of the Saudi royal family (yes, you got that right) owns 65% of the company while Raila Odinga and his family - Fidel, Ida, Oburu, Raila Jr own the remaining 35%. Now, even a toddler knows the human rights record of the House of Saud! Yet, it's OK for Raila to be in business with such characters but a crime for Miguna just to get published even after all the local firms had refused to publish because of political pressure?
Finally, for those always suggesting that I rent my house in Runda; that is false. I own it. I built it with my own sweat and savings before I returned to Kenya in 2007! Secondly, the Star did NOT stop me from publishing my column. I withdrew once they started censoring me.
Those interested in personal attacks and spreading unfounded lies should at least try to get some basic things right.
My book shall be published by latest June this year. And it shall be sold globally including in Kenya. I gave my word to the country and I shall fulfil it.
I will not respond to any further attacks on this issue.
Miguna Miguna
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Post by nowayhaha on Feb 27, 2012 12:46:41 GMT 3
How people forget it was just the other week when Raila went to bed with Museveni (who many Railets consider the devil due to Migingo & his "involvement" during the 2007-8 P.E.V. ) .This was considered being wise e.t.c. Same people are now criticizing Miguna for making a business move . Aint this Hypocrisy .The same people are even questioning Migunas integrity , they may start with their own integrity given that their hypocrisy is written all over board. jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6598&page=2
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Post by nok on Feb 27, 2012 12:57:04 GMT 3
Jukwaa you are simply the best. Considering the racism, going to bed. This clip just captures it. A wonderful Lady with Afro genes and a concert full of people of all races ? . Yeah ! Do you get the drift ?
OO and the crew , all Contributors, Including double M and Openda just 4 U
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Post by dedankimathi on Feb 27, 2012 13:29:18 GMT 3
'US Extremists Take up Critical Book on Raila'
That is the Daily Nation headline today. It says all there is to be said about how Miguna and his controversial hatchet job will be treated.
Muguna accepts that only a racist could publish his book. I find his suggestion that he is like Frantz Fanon, Wangari Maathai and the others haughty and offensive. Similarly it is quite interesting that he claims Kenyans - irrespective of the topic - always discuss Miguna. And that he is the top search item on the internet. Really?
A curious thought: I have always treated accusations of witchcraft and sexual escapades in Kenyan politics with healthy suspicion. Moi was accused of sleeping around with headmistresses, Uhuru of homosexuality, Others of freemasonry, devil worship etc.... I don't think Kenyans will accept that after decades of public life, suddenly Miguna arrives from Canada to discover Raila's voracious sexual appetite? And only finds his voice after being fired from a lucrative position in government? And the only publisher who can print his claims is a well known conspiracy theorist, racist and 'birther'?
But of course this sexual stuff is a slippery slope for one who was accused of raping women who sought his help in Canada.
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Post by topnotch on Feb 27, 2012 13:29:26 GMT 3
I just received this link in my email from a Jukwaa member, and one of Miguna's friends. Apparently, it will take a very big big chunk of MM's dossier. www.wnd.com/2008/10/78059/
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Post by dedankimathi on Feb 27, 2012 13:38:57 GMT 3
I just received this link in my email from a Jukwaa member, and one of Miguna's friends. Apparently, it will take a very big big chunk of MM's dossier. www.wnd.com/2008/10/78059/Hehe is this it? I might actually love this book. Ati Kajwang RTD - a clear play on Kajwang's past misdemeanour.
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Post by topnotch on Feb 27, 2012 13:45:39 GMT 3
Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga – who Barack Obama helped place in office in a power-sharing agreement to stop deadly rioting by Odinga’s followers – is now the target of a devastating book by a former top adviser that threatens his prospect for re-election. Miguna Miguna has handed over to WND senior staff reporter Jerome R. Corsi an 800-page manuscript of the book, which was scheduled to be published in Kenya this year. Miguna, however, was informed by his publisher that publication in Kenya had to be delayed until 2013, after the presidential and parliamentary elections at the end of the year. The delay appears to be politically motivated government censorship, said Corsi, who was deported by the Kenyan government in 2008 during an investigative reporting trip. “Odinga knows his chances of being elected president are dramatically reduced if Miguna’s book is published before this year’s presidential election in Kenya,” Corsi said. “Miguna presents a convincing portrait of Odinga as a ‘political conman’ whose term as prime minister has been riddled by family favoritism, massive corruption, sexual abuses, and public policy incompetence.” Miguna told Corsi that the book’s publication “will completely change Odinga’s political fortunes and ultimately, the political panorama in Kenya.” Odinga, a self-proclaimed communist, received his college education in East Germany and named his first-born son Fidel after the Cuban dictator. Among the more damaging accusations in the book, Miguna charges that Odinga and various Luo tribe leaders practice black magic that incorporates animal slaughter and that Odinga has a voracious sexual appetite that shows no respect for his own marriage or to the spouses of the women who catch his fancy.“A lawyer by training, Miguna kept copious notes of official government meetings in which he was a participant, as well as diaries of his private discussions with Odinga,” Corsi explained. “As a result, the book contains dozens of anecdotes of Odinga’s alleged transactions, from immoral sexual exploits, to corruption involving outright theft of millions of dollars in government funds, to accusations that Odinga is over his head in trying to rule a nation as politically complicated as Kenya.” Miguna’s book provides further documentation for Corsi’s allegation in his 2008 New York Times No. 1 bestselling book, “The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality,” that Odinga signed a Memorandum of Understanding with Sheik Abdullah Abdi, the chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum in Kenya, to support and expand Islam in Kenya. In the memo, Odinga promised to rewrite the Kenyan constitution to enact Shariah as law in “Muslim declared regions,” elevate Islam as “the only true religion” and give Islamic leaders “oversight” over other religions, establish Shariah courts and ban Christian proselytism. Odinga’s ties to Obama Odinga, a fellow Luo tribesman to Obama, was appointed prime minister in April 2008 only after he lost the December 2007 presidential election. The decision to create the extra-constitutional “co-head of state” position of prime minister for Odinga was devised by Obama, former U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan and then-U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.... WND reported the existence of a strategy document developed by Obama and Odinga during Obama’s 2006 senatorial “fact-finding” trip to Kenya. It called for Odinga’s Orange Democratic Movement to exploit tribal tensions should Odinga lose the 2007 presidential challenge, as a means of keeping alive his aspiration to be Kenyan head of state.During the 2006 trip, Obama campaigned so openly for Odinga that Kenyan government spokesman Alfred Mutua went on Kenyan television on behalf of Kenyan President Kibaki to object that Obama was meddling inappropriately in Kenyan politics, as WND reported. WND further reported documentary evidence that Obama contributed nearly $1 million to the ODM in support of Odinga’s 2007 presidential campaign. An ODM campaign accounting document that listed the contribution as coming from “Friends of Senator BO.” Also listed as financial contributors to Odinga’s 2007 presidential campaign were the late Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi and his second oldest son, Saif el-Islam Gadhafi. Should Odinga win the Kenyan presidency in 2012, it would presumably end the dual head-of-state configuration, with the position of prime minister created for Odinga in 2008 going dormant. ..... www.wnd.com/2012/02/obamas-kenyan-pal-target-of-tell-all-book/
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Post by phil on Feb 27, 2012 13:53:21 GMT 3
From where I sit and with the little English that I know, the above is what is known as HEARSAY. As a lawyer, Miguna knows better than believe whatever he is told by third parties. Moreover, Miguna is yet to clearly come out and explain (like he has done in this case) his totally misplaced allegations that some ODM ministers (Bett, Kamar and others) were plotting to have Miguna eliminated. Miguna imagines that our memories here in Jukwaa are short-lived. His convenient selection of responses is a manifestation on how dubious this Miguna character is.
Turning back to the so-called explosive book, it's clear that Miguna's publication is motivated by nothing other than political revenge. My predictions that Miguna's book is being driven to coincide with the general election campaigns is now there for all to see. And his financiers can only remain secret for a shortwhile before we also submit our explosive dossier on his project.
It is also clear Miguna has an insatiable craving for attention and he cannot get that attention by just being Miguna. He can only get it by constantly making connections between his personal problems and PM Raila Odinga. When we voted for Raila in 2007, we knew he was already in the oil and gas business. It's not a secret that Miguna wants the world to believe that its suddenly being revealed by citizen tv. To make inference to RAO's family business is hogwash to say the least.
PS @ Onyango Oloo, why must you be the one posting for Miguna whilst he has an active membership handle at Jukwaa? Why cant this man be brave enough to post and debate other Jukwaa members? Ama yeye alipanda ngazi na amakekataa kushuka?
Also, @ Oloo, do not be so sure that Miguna is not on anyone's payroll. What we know and will soon publish will surprise even Miguna's close buddies.
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Post by nowayhaha on Feb 27, 2012 14:03:58 GMT 3
From where I sit and with the little English that I know, the above is what is known as HEARSAY. As a lawyer, Miguna knows better than believe whatever he is told by third parties. Moreover, Miguna is yet to clearly come out and explain (like he has done in this case) his totally misplaced allegations that some ODM ministers (Bett, Kamar and others) were plotting to have Miguna eliminated. Miguna imagines that our memories here in Jukwaa are short-lived. His convenient selection of responses is a manifestation on how dubious this Miguna character is. Turning back to the so-called explosive book, it's clear that Miguna's publication is motivated by nothing other than political revenge. My predictions that Miguna's book is being driven to coincide with the general election campaigns is now there for all to see. And his financiers can only remain secret for a shortwhile before we also submit our explosive dossier on his project. It is also clear Miguna has an insatiable craving for attention and he cannot get that attention by just being Miguna. He can only get it by constantly making connections between his personal problems and PM Raila Odinga. When we voted for Raila in 2007, we knew he was already in the oil and gas business. It's not a secret that Miguna wants the world to believe that its suddenly being revealed by citizen tv. To make inference to RAO's family business is hogwash to say the least. PS @ Onyango Oloo, why must you be the one posting for Miguna whilst he has an active membership handle at Jukwaa? Why cant this man be brave enough to post and debate other Jukwaa members? Ama yeye alipanda ngazi na amakekataa kushuka? Also, @ Oloo, do not be so sure that Miguna is not on anyone's payroll. What we know and will soon publish will surprise even Miguna's close buddies. Phil you have always tried to link MM with Uhuruto by claiming he is on their payroll . This propaganda you started selling the day MM was fired from his job . MM has vehemently denied the allegation here on Jukwaa and even on K24 and Citizen Interviews . A question to you and OPM office , Do you believe ,in re-manufacturing this propaganda will sway the public or to that matter change the political rhetoric brought about by the content of the book ?
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Post by emali on Feb 27, 2012 14:05:22 GMT 3
Rejoinder from Miguna :I have seen the attacks and comments on Jukwaa and other places, condemning me for buddying up to Jerome Corsi, whom they refer to as extremist and racist. These attacks were expected it but they will not change anything. This is why. 1. The East African Educational Publishers - the largest publishing firm in East Africa - agreed to publish the book last November before the book was written. They asked me to ensure that they had the manuscript by January this year so that the book could come out in Feb or March this year.
2. I went to work and some days slept only 2 hours. I managed to finish the manuscript in January 2012.
3. The EAEP gave me letters undertaking to publish the book and took the manuscript for review.
4. They completed their review within two weeks and called me in for assessment. After the meeting, all the issues they had raised (and they were few and very minor) were resolved. They gave me another letter confirming our understanding/agreement.
5. Within one week after the assessment, they communicated with me and indicated that I would be required to sign a contract on Jan. 23rd, 2012. But they said they might not be able to meet the February date; they wanted to do it in June. I told them that was OK.
6. On Jan. 23rd, at about 6.30 p.m., I received a letter from them (electronically), indicating that unfortunately, they could not now publish the book until after the elections. One of my contacts there mentioned that the chairman of the board suddenly changed the original decision. When I pressed if they had been approached or bribed not to publish the book; they could not deny or accept. I reached my own conclusions.
7. The EAEP was the publisher of choice because I thought it was big, well established and professional. They had also showed nothing but enthusiasm at the prospect of publishing the book. They actually referred to the manuscript as a "masterpiece" and stated that they needed to publish it ahead of this year's London Book Fair.
8. The sudden change of heart surprised me and showed how compromised publishers are in Kenya.
9. I had earlier approached two other Kenyan publishers. One told me that they only do educational books. They don't do fiction, non-fiction or memoirs. The second one told me that the project was "too hot" for them (their own words).
10. I was now left with two choices: either to self-publish (with all its attendant problems) or to seek a publisher abroad.
11. Last month, a good friend of mine reported to me that Raila was boasting that my book would never see the light of day.
12. Almost at the same time, someone working at the PM's office called to tell me how Caroli Omondi was overheard boasting on the phone shortly after he had announced the "reinstatement" that "this is what will now destroy Miguna completely." In other words, the so-called reinstatement and other shenanigans were only intended to "destroy Miguna."
13. Late last year, someone from the WND had contacted me about publishing the book. I had declined. But now that I was foreseeing the prospect of Kenyan publishers refusing to publish the book in time or not at all, I had to make a decision. Would I refuse help from someone because of their political and ideological beliefs at the risk of failing to publish my book? What was important here: publishing the book without censorship and compromise or killing the idea on the basis of our ideological differences?
14. I then remembered a few historical facts that helped me make the decision: Frederick Douglass - the legendary anti-slavery hero was published by people who many would have considered racists and extremists. The same applied to Martin Luther King Jr., Frantz Fanon, Kwameh Nkrumah, Nelson Mandela, Jomo Kenyatta, Oginga Odinga - name them. The political and ideological orientation of their publishers did not affect the content of their books. After all, who owns the major publishers of the world? Are they African American activists? Which are the publishing firms owned by progressives in Kenya?
15. Many Africans - and global progressives, even revolutionaries like my late friend Dr. Tajudeen Abdul Raheem - went to Oxford University in England on RHODES SCHOLARSHIP. This is a scholarship that was started by and named after Cecil Rhodes - the legendary racist from Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. How many of these people have been subjected to hatred and vile attacks on the basis that they accepted a scholarship started and named after a racist? How about scholarships, publication and other financial support by the Rockefeller, Ford and other foundations that were started and funded by ultra racists and slave owners?
16. When many of my critics purchase a computer, use an airline like KLM and others, have they ever stopped to ask: "who owns this company; plane or airline?"
17. What about the Nobel Peace Prize - who founded and funded the prestigious prize? Wasn't he, too, considered a racist? Yet, didn’t we celebrate Mandela, Maathai and others who were bestowed by the Nobel Peace Prize?
18. Between having the book published and having it suppressed, what would you have chosen?
These are the questions we must ask; not allow ourselves to be driven by narrow mindedness and needless hatred and propaganda! The so-called progressives now yelling at me don't own publishing firms. More significantly, they have been gleefully waiting to see me fail to publish the book. They have not been supportive at all. They are good at condemning things and people (and I have not been spared). When I was working like a dog (yes, I mean it) for Raila and ODM, they were urging me on. Yet immediately after Raila violated my constitutional and human rights, they have been the most vociferous at assassinating my character. Many others have simply hidden (from me.) I frankly don’t give a hoot! Think about it: why are they quiet when Raila woos Moi, Njonjo, Githunguri and others? Aren't these people the ones who destroyed our lives and country? Aren't they the ones who looted our assets and stashed it abroad? So, why is it OK for Raila to consort with them and not OK for Miguna just to get published by some US firm? Yesterday, Feb. 26th at the 9 O'clock news on Citizen TV, they had a clip on "Who Owns Kenya?” They had an oil firm worth more than Sh30 billion operating in Kenya and the region. Who are the shareholders? A prominent member of the Saudi royal family (yes, you got that right) owns 65% of the company while Raila Odinga and his family - Fidel, Ida, Oburu, Raila Jr own the remaining 35%. Now, even a toddler knows the human rights record of the House of Saud! Yet, it's OK for Raila to be in business with such characters but a crime for Miguna just to get published even after all the local firms had refused to publish because of political pressure? Finally, for those always suggesting that I rent my house in Runda; that is false. I own it. I built it with my own sweat and savings before I returned to Kenya in 2007! Secondly, the Star did NOT stop me from publishing my column. I withdrew once they started censoring me. Those interested in personal attacks and spreading unfounded lies should at least try to get some basic things right. My book shall be published by latest June this year. And it shall be sold globally including in Kenya. I gave my word to the country and I shall fulfil it. I will not respond to any further attacks on this issue. Miguna Miguna Its hard to disagree with him on this...
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Post by gemagema on Feb 27, 2012 14:36:08 GMT 3
Insatiable Sexual Appetite?? ... what is wrong with that? Am sure Ida knows RAO's clande operations. Many of us also know of RAO's social mischiefs...but what? Ain't most of the Kenyan men the same? Some are even homosexuals?
Now, I can imagine that Miguna has got a lot of dossier on RAO and ODM. However, he was ODM, infact a very senior operative. hence, how can he subtract himself from what he alleges of others?
If the book will change the voters mindset about RAO, moreso to the point that we may not vote him, then it must have worse stuff than that of a murderer. Kenyans have forgiven murderers (refer to the testimonies at ICC against Uhuru, Ruto?). They will definitely forgiven RAO for sins similar to Tiger Woods...if that be aunthentic
Miguna should have just continued to stay in Canada
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Post by nok on Feb 27, 2012 14:54:53 GMT 3
Come on ladies and gents. Lets leave the friendly fires and go for the real enemies.
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Post by mbuta on Feb 27, 2012 16:29:51 GMT 3
Onyango Oloo's silence on this matter is ....er...deafening...is all am saying...am not being cheeky, but I am practically levitating yawa.... Mbuta:Greetings. First of all, do you imagine that I do OTHER THINGS apart from logging on to Jukwaa? Like for instance, SLEEPING? Completing my consulting assignments? Catching up with other family commitments? Secondly, I am constantly PUZZLED by the expectations of Jukwaa members. When I rush to comment on an issue, some people groan that I am "abusing" my powers as an Administrator to tilt debate this way or that. When I keep mum, folks like you Mbuta fret about so called "deafening silence" and even threaten, like you have just done, to FLOAT MID AIR in actual protest!!Anyways, I could say a lot of things that I am privy to, but I will not. Only to briefly confirm two things: 1. Miguna still lives in Runda and still maintains the lifestyle he chose for himself and his family;
2. Miguna is NOT in the employ of Uhuru, Ruto or any other politician or tycoon.
As for the Corsi furore, I will post Miguna's rejoinder as soon as I am done replying to you. Onyango Oloo Nairobi, KenyaHahahaha...OO, you are hilarious...like your tongue-in-cheek response. I was throwing you a curve-ball in the dirt and you refused to take a big swing at it...but I should say this, as the number one citizen on this forum, I think you should do better than posting MM rejoinder....some of us want to hear your own unvarnished analysis on this issue You wanna bet? Conduct a poll and see how right I am...see?
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Post by adongo23456 on Feb 27, 2012 16:32:43 GMT 3
I will respond to Miguna's excuses and allegations later. What I can say right away is that Miguna at least knows who Jerome Corsi is and he knows what his agenda is. That is a vile despicable liar whose last book on Obama was so full of outright lies, false innuendos and all sorts of distorted information.
As long as the book promoted Jerome Corsi's objective of fighting Obama as a Muslim Kenyan out to ruin America, Jerome Corsi was OK with it. It never worked. Barack Obama is today the president of the United States of America, inspite if the vile attempts by the Corsi's to stop him. In fact Jerome Corsi promised America that when he is finished with Obama, he (Obama) would be toast. Sounds familiar?
Already Jerome Corsi in his press releases regarding Miguna's book are more about Raila as an Obama project than anything else. I am not sure if that is part of the dossier Miguna gave Corsi but is fits very well with Corsi's pattern of peddling falsehoods and being fixated on Obama. One thing is for certain. The Miguna material is only useful to Corsi to the extent that it helps him with his war against President Obama. Miguna must be aware that is what he has signed for.
Miguna has no power to stop Corsi from using the material whichever way he sees fit and that is why Corsi press statement is about Obama. Miguna can't tell Corsi what to say even about his own book. This is the same Corsi who came to Kenya and claimed that Obama was working with Raila to promote radical Islam in Kenya and the US. Corsi even bought into the lies that Raila had signed an MOU with Muslims to bring Sharia Law in Kenya. That is the Corsi we knwo and that is the Corsi Miguna knows very well.
It is a stretch for Miguna to compare his options and the choices he makes now with what happened some 70 years ago when the Mandelas and Jaramogis were publishing their books. Just as we speak I said, Prof. Horace Campbell has just been in Kenya promoting his book on Obama. Did Miguna try to talk to these well known progressive folks to try get a publisher. There are a ton of progressive publishing houses around the globe and not all of them are afraid of Raila.
Miguna has made a conscious decision to work with one of the most racist reactionary characters of our time, he has to live with that choice and not make excuses about who owns KLM or who started Noble Peace Prize. Being a Jerome Corsi project has its price and Miguna has to live with that. First of all we don't know what Jerome Corsi is paying Miguna and on what basis. The transparency that Miguna likes to talk about is going to require he discloses that information as well.
Interms of Miguna's claims that people have not been supportive of him after his problems with the PM, he needs to put that in context and be honest about it. Jukwaa was outraged by the illegal firing of Miguna and the lies invented by the PM's office to facilitate that. We said so in very clear terms. I personally talked to Miguna after the incident when he was here in Toronto.
What some of us have refused to support is Miguna's self declared war on Raila as his priority project. In my discussions and communications with Miguna over the years we have talked and worked on many things. Miguna knows that. It has never been about individuals. It has never been what is in it for me kind of mentality. I would be damned to spend my remaining days in this world fighting about Raila. Who the heck is he to take that much of my time?
Kenyans are still fighitng to implement their new constitution. They are fighting to end impunity. Folks are fighting to put food on the table. If Miguna's war with Raila can help in that direction, fair enough, but nobody is going to order us to line up and enlist in a new war for Miguna with Raila. That is not why we joined the struggle to make our country a better place. We didn't know Raila or Miguna when we started this journey and we are ready and willing to walk with them in the battle lines. Nothing more and nothing less.
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Post by kamalet on Feb 27, 2012 16:52:53 GMT 3
Guys
We have not even seen Miguna's book so why the vitriol on the man that he is attackign the PM?
Why not wait to be outraged by the lies in his book if at all that is what it is all about or be shocked and feel betrayed if the book contains truths we never knew about?
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Post by dedankimathi on Feb 27, 2012 17:04:33 GMT 3
Guys We have not even seen Miguna's book so why the vitriol on the man that he is attackign the PM? Why not wait to be outraged by the lies in his book if at all that is what it is all about or be shocked and feel betrayed if the book contains truths we never knew about? Kamale; One does not have to be a supporter of Raila to see what is wrong with Miguna Miguna's approach. He has chosen to work with a well known racist. In the US Jerome Corsi represents modern day Ku Klux Klan. A person who thinks Africans should have remained slaves. That is what we are protesting. It suggests that his book is nothing more than a cheap salacious shot. Kenyan politics must outgrow these extremes.
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Post by kamalet on Feb 27, 2012 17:09:42 GMT 3
Guys We have not even seen Miguna's book so why the vitriol on the man that he is attackign the PM? Why not wait to be outraged by the lies in his book if at all that is what it is all about or be shocked and feel betrayed if the book contains truths we never knew about? Kamale; One does not have to be a supporter of Raila to see what is wrong with Miguna Miguna's approach. He has chosen to work with a well known racist. In the US Jerome Corsi represents modern day Ku Klux Klan. A person who thinks Africans should have remained slaves. That is what we are protesting. It suggests that his book is nothing more than a cheap salacious shot. Kenyan politics must outgrow these extremes. Sorry but I do not buy your argument. The "devil" is not the one writing anything offensive about Raila. Miguna of course has the responsibility to ensure that the book remains 'his' as per his manuscripts and he has not given any suggestion that this will change. As for the publisher, would the situation have been different had the publisher been Harper Colins or Penguin Books?
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Post by dedankimathi on Feb 27, 2012 17:13:55 GMT 3
Here is how Miguna Migina's pal Jerome Corsi sees Africans - only good as chain gangs in White plantations. Miguna is unwittingly being used in a war that he barely understands. A white extremist war to keep Africans subjugated and to peddle lies about Africa and her people. the immediate agenda of tea party that Miguna is now kowtowing to is to spread malicious filth about Barrack Obama. Both Raila and Miguna are merely pawns in their nefarious agenda.
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Post by dedankimathi on Feb 27, 2012 17:19:00 GMT 3
Kamale; One does not have to be a supporter of Raila to see what is wrong with Miguna Miguna's approach. He has chosen to work with a well known racist. In the US Jerome Corsi represents modern day Ku Klux Klan. A person who thinks Africans should have remained slaves. That is what we are protesting. It suggests that his book is nothing more than a cheap salacious shot. Kenyan politics must outgrow these extremes. Sorry but I do not buy your argument. The "devil" is not the one writing anything offensive about Raila. Miguna of course has the responsibility to ensure that the book remains 'his' as per his manuscripts and he has not given any suggestion that this will change. As for the publisher, would the situation have been different had the publisher been Harper Colins or Penguin Books? No. The devil is not writing the book. But the 'devil' is publishing it. That destroys any credibility the book had. Jerome Corsi specialises in publishing conspiracy, racist bile and other hideous out-of-body stuff. Always. Why should we think that he has suddenly published a clean book? Kenyans deserve to know this. My argument is that a Kenyan who pals around with people who hate Africans for a living is unpatriotic. By all means Miguna should publish his hate book, but there are many other publishers - not enemies of Africans.
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Post by kamalet on Feb 27, 2012 17:19:42 GMT 3
Here is how Miguna Migina's pal Jerome Corsi sees Africans - only good as chain gangs in White plantations. Miguna is unwittingly being used in a war that he barely understands. A white extremist war to keep Africans subjugated and to peddle lies about Africa and her people. the immediate agenda of tea party that Miguna is now kowtowing to is to spread malicious filth about Barrack Obama. Both Raila and Miguna are merely pawns in their nefarious agenda. You should be ashamed and embarrassed at this silly attempt at diverting attention to matter at hand....Miguna's book! You do exactly the same stupid things Miguna was talking about...attempts at ensuring the book is not published! Just what truth do you not want told??? On a different note - anyone get the feeling of how Kibaki felt via John Githongo? One can only hope that Raila learns his lesson: Avoid activists like the plague.
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Post by dedankimathi on Feb 27, 2012 17:27:57 GMT 3
Here is how Miguna Migina's pal Jerome Corsi sees Africans - only good as chain gangs in White plantations. Miguna is unwittingly being used in a war that he barely understands. A white extremist war to keep Africans subjugated and to peddle lies about Africa and her people. the immediate agenda of tea party that Miguna is now kowtowing to is to spread malicious filth about Barrack Obama. Both Raila and Miguna are merely pawns in their nefarious agenda. You should be ashamed and embarrassed at this silly attempt at diverting attention to matter at hand....Miguna's book! You do exactly the same stupid things Miguna was talking about...attempts at ensuring the book is not published! Just what truth do you not want told??? On a different note - anyone get the feeling of how Kibaki felt via John Githongo? One can only hope that Raila learns his lesson: Avoid activists like the plague. Mr. Kamale, Unlike you, I have read Mr. Corsi, so i know and can articulate his hatred for Africans in general. Yes, we are talking about Miguna's book (which we have not seen yet), but more specifically his choice of publisher. That is how I read the title. And I am only characterising Miguna's publisher. Please note that even Miguna does not contest this point: he only claims he is justified because he is like Wangari Maathai, Frantz Fanon etc Jerome Corsi is a well know racist.
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Post by adongo23456 on Feb 27, 2012 17:34:49 GMT 3
Kamale; One does not have to be a supporter of Raila to see what is wrong with Miguna Miguna's approach. He has chosen to work with a well known racist. In the US Jerome Corsi represents modern day Ku Klux Klan. A person who thinks Africans should have remained slaves. That is what we are protesting. It suggests that his book is nothing more than a cheap salacious shot. Kenyan politics must outgrow these extremes. Sorry but I do not buy your argument. The "devil" is not the one writing anything offensive about Raila. Miguna of course has the responsibility to ensure that the book remains 'his' as per his manuscripts and he has not given any suggestion that this will change. As for the publisher, would the situation have been different had the publisher been Harper Colins or Penguin Books? Kamale,Did you read Jerome Corsi's brief on Miguna's material. If you did you will notice Corsi talked about Raila the PM whose job was created by President Obama working with Kofi Annan. Is that the kind of nonsense Miguna sold to Corsi? I don't think so because Miguna certainly knows better than that. He participated in the NARA process. So why is Corsi already using Miguna's material to prop up his own sick agenda of Obama controlling Kenyan politics? Because he can. He (Corsi) is the one paying the money. Miguna cannot tell him what to do. That is why people talk about selling one's soul to the devil. He (the devil) calls the piper. And we know how filthy Corsi is. Jerome Corsi is not a publishing house. He is Jerome Corsi the racist extremist. He has enough money to buy stuff and to publish them. You take Jerome's money you have to work with Jerome not some mythical "publishing house". Jerome is the house. Publishers have a lot of say in the direction of what they publish. That is why you need honest and professional publishers who will maintain the integrity of the material. Jerome Corsi is a known liar, manipulator and conman. In the book "Unfit for Command" there were so many lies and falsehoods it became a problem and the person who worked with Corsi Mr. O'Neill later had to declare that Corsi was not a co-writer but only edited the book to try to get away from being tied to the hip with Corsi. Corsi sells his lies very well but he is a known liar and that is a fact Miguna knew coming in and it is a fact he will have to live with. If Corsi is the only option Miguna had that in itself is problematic. I think Miguna made a concious choice to go with Jerome Corsi may be because Corsi would take anything that can help him in his own war. Publishing a book unless you want big money for it is not a big deal. You can do it yourself at a modest cost and let the book win its way into the market, particularly if it is a political book. Many people are doing that. But if you want big cash pay off right of the bat you need the Jerome Corsis and others. It is big business in the US. They publish books on everything in a matter of days. Sarah Palin has published several books already about herself and they sell like hot cakes. She makes her money and off to the bank. That is just business it has nothing to do with politics. You sell what you have and make money. Sarah Palin sells nothing to gullible readers but that is what she has and if it can make her money, she is OK with it. That is who she is.
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Post by merlin on Feb 27, 2012 17:40:19 GMT 3
Kenya is a country where Integrity knows no friend: so all these are just theatrics and should not get into any body's liver.This book will be published be whoever, will come out in June or July, we shall read it, some will get excited, some angry and some will rejoice. Miguna may take a fat cheque to the bank and 2 or 3 weeks later it will be business as usual in Kenya with our corruption, ICC, tribalism , Impunity...... you name it. The memory of the Kenyan populace is relative short and by the end of the year that dissertation from Miguna will just be like any other ( Kroll report et al, Wikileaks e.t.c )and shall be confined to the archives = Zero Consequence. We, the majority in Kenya, really don't read much anyway. We forget and forgive easily and we let ourselves be driven by our tribal motivations. We have elected thieves, drug lords , murderers, sonko's to high office so, we really don't give a damn what a book or a report says. In fact on the contrary, we seem to carry those least integral with the most highest of admiration. So, Jukwaa just sit and enjoy the theatrics; Free of Charge. Yours, Native of Kenya nok,I beg to differ. Kenya has many people of high integrity. They do not boast about it as integrity goes together with humility. When they meet other people integrity is recognised and acknowledged, however integrity is no speciality for friendship. It is an internal value you expect in everyone who contribute to the quality of our community. People who are devoid of integrity have nothing to contribute. They are forced to boast about themselves to justify their existence within the community. They are the noisy makers who have nothing to offer. I buy books who I consider will enrich my life, who will show me new directions or which challenges me to actively search for opportunities to better the world and my place within this world. I will not buy the book Miguna, Miguna is threatening Raila with to destroy his career. The book is like a stone for destruction and not to enrich the world. The book is a nonentity and has little to do with Raila or any of us. The book is all about Miguna Miguna. It is not always recognised though all the articles, the press conferences the interviews by Miguna Miguna is solely about Miguna Miguna. Of course you cannot write about yourself and get readers clustered to you, so you pick a well known personality and use this as wrapping for writing about yourself. People do this at JUKWAA; Adongo’s name is often mentioned to attract readers though he has little to do with this. Miguna Miguna persistent boasting has made it clear to virtual everyone he is devoid of integrity. There is no internal value to enrich the world with the consequence that no one likes to touch him with a 10 foot pole. Exception; somewhere in the USA is a like minded person who likes to throw stones of destruction to tear communities apart. Eventually Miguna Miguna has found friendship.
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Post by nok on Feb 27, 2012 18:10:11 GMT 3
@merlin
Don't beg to differ coz I appreciate your difference.
My contribution was a mix of truth and sattire. With Kenya I didn't mean all of it and the "we shall read" should not be taken by face value.
The truth is, I have rarely encountered the Integrity you mention. And this whole saga that is playing out, is just one fine example that justifies my view.
My leaders, my church, my country and most of my people have rarely shown Integrity but nonetheless. I wake up everyday with the hope that one day I will be taught a different lesson.
Now when it comes to Miguna, the book and this sideshow; I just take my pop corn and sit back.
I would advice you to do the same !
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Post by mzee on Feb 27, 2012 18:15:01 GMT 3
As a man, talking about SEXUAL APPETITE of another man is LOW KABISA.
Its as if you are also interested in the man whose sexual appetite you have been closely observing.
Is this the same Miguna that was accused of rape? Talk about sexual appetite.
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