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« Reply #20 on Jun 3, 2007, 6:33pm » | |
OO
Kony and The Lords Army have an agenda. Its overtly political, I believe they want some degree of autonomy.
Whats Mungikis?
These are apple and oranges.
And still you have NOT answered what happens to other militias in other hot spots where there is violence.
Should the Govt talk to them too?
This is as you say is complex.
But this inept tribalistic Govt has has no national goodwill, no moral authority (think Artur here) and no real will to fight this menace as its top honchos have something to do with this outfit.
Did the shiftas get to the table?
What type of precedent will be set?
There has to be a better solution
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« Reply #21 on Jun 3, 2007, 8:32pm » | |
Quote:...quoting Oloo,
Quote:The so called war on Mungiki has rapidly degenerated into a pogrom of young Kenyan males who happen to have names like Kamau, Njoroge, Mwangi, Kinuthia, Kariuki, Wanyoike and so on. In other words, there is a clampdown on young Kenyans whose only crime happens to be the fact that they are members of the Agikuyu.
Dr. Mutua was boasting yesterday that the police have netted more than two thousand “Mungiki suspects”. That is a gross understatement according to some of my friends from this neck of the woods. They tell me that thousands upon thousands of young people have been arrested, roughed up and are in the process of being dragged to kangaroo courts on trumped up charges.
I find it ludicrous to hear state prosecutors allege that my buddy Mwandawiro Mghanga is being sought in connection with murder and other serious charges linking him to Mungiki activities. Anyone who knows the Wundanyi MP even remotely KNOWS that these wild allegations are a smokescreen, a diversion from the real investigations that the Kenya government should be conducting.
For example, when will Njenga Karume be hauled to Vigilance House to be grilled about persistent reports that our Defence Minister once hosted Mungiki sect members at his palatial home during which he and other high ranking government officials from Central Kenya were oathed to be members of the controversial sect?
When will John Michuki clear his name from constant allegations that our Internal Security minister is one of the political godfathers of Mungiki?
Who has forgotten Ndura Waruinge’s not so idle boast that he was prepared to revert back to his notorious “tactics” of yesteryear?
Is Chris Murungaru one of the other benefactors of Mungiki?
How about Uhuru Kenyatta?
Why this resurgence of Mungiki associated public carnage in yet another election year? |
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...again it appears that the above quote is a personal and is based on inferred assumptions. The BBC article on Mungiki (below) relects otherwise, and to me, it actually seems credible:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6685393.stm
From the BBC aritcle, it is interesting to note that Mungiki was "...at one time, associated with Mwakenya, an underground movement formed in 1979 to challenge the former Kanu regime." I couldn't help but muse over that for a moment as I clearly seem to recollect Mwakenya being the ODM of choice at one time, which was also affiliated to the likes of Mwandawiro Mghanga, Onyango Oloo, Adongo Ogony, Miguna Miguna, et alia.
If this is the truth, could the government be at fault for seeking Mghanga? Also, could you, Ogony or Miguna clearly (without any rhetoric) explain the outlines and formats of your activities in connection to Mwakenya?
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I couldn't help but notice this, from my good friend Maina.
Good morning Ndugu Maina or is it afternoon where you live? Globalization, right?
Apparently myself, Mwandawiro Mghanga and Miguna Miguna who is somewhere in Nyando have been called upon to "explain the formats of our activities in connection to Mwakenya". To be honest I would have to write a book about that. I can't speak for the other gentlemen.
Now back to Mungiki.
OO has proposed talks with Mungiki to end the carnage and the growing despair and panic in the country. I agree for one reason. Whatever political and social problems we have in the country, we cannot afford to canibalize the nation. It is wrong. It must be rejected. It has to be addressed now.
What do I mean canibalizing the nation?
No, we are not eating each other. Just stay with me on this and don't get your minds stray elsewhere. We are killing each other in a bizzare circle of revenge and machismo. It is unnecessary whatever disagreements we may have as a nation. I think that is Oloo's point. Whatever can be done to stop the madness and get Kenyans talking about the way forward is worth the effort. Nothing is working so far, why not try something different like negotiations on the broader issues?
Secondly the calls for "Emergency Declarations" are misplaced. Our history tells us "Emergency Declarations" has only been used when the state lost its moral authority to govern. The wakoloni used it in 1952. I think this is why Alex is having problems with his computer as to what today's date is. So was the 1952 State of Emergency for the good of the Kenyan people? No. Hundreds of thousands ended up in concentration camps, many were killed, even more detained and jailed. Is this what we want? No, thank you. That new LSK chief needs to go back to Law School and take up a new subject called "human rights".
How ironic! Paul Muite ( a former LSK Chairperson) is presently filing a case against the UK for the well documented British atrocities against Kenyans especially after they declared " A State of Emergency" in October 1952. And the new LSK Chairperson is calling on the government to declare a state of emergency which would mean the suspension of the rights of all Kenyans to the mercy of Kibaki and his government, ati to "wipe out Mungiki". Nonsense. Please, just say No.
Thomas Jefferson, I don't quote him often, said: " Those who would give up a little liberty to get a little security, deserve neither liberty nor security and will get neither"
My point here is that the machismo of "I have a bigger gun than you" is not going to get us anywhere. It is counter productive already. There is a constituency out there that wants the government to flex more muscle and outdo Mungiki in gross violence. The trouble with that approach is that the government always hits the wrong people. Ask George Bush. This is complex business.
Let us agree on one thing; the very thought of " Emergency Declarations" is repugnant. Kenyans should reject that without reservations.
It is interesting OO brings the Kony angle in Uganda. That dude is ruthless or has been. He is wanted at the Hague. You know what that means. He is an international criminal. So why the heck is Museveni talking to him with the help of our brothers and sisters in Southern Sudan?
I can't answer that question but the message to us is this; the good of the country must always come first. It is not that complicated. The job of the government is to secure the citizens of the nation. Is that too much to ask from the Kibaki regime? I hope NOT.
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« Reply #22 on Jun 3, 2007, 10:22pm » | |
AO
What you are advocating for, having a tete a tete with Mungiki is surely a paradigm shift in social engineering in so far as dealing with crime and its effects on society. It could be whats needed or perhaps not. We can only know if tried.
But if we are going to try this, then its time we called a big huge conference kutatuwa zile problem za hao wengine. Include Jeshi La mzee, Bagdad boys, and those causing havock in Western, Kisii and what the heck get the shiftas for good measure, etc. What of those Coastal gangs who now and then unleash 'terra' on wabara like me who have settled there?
We had better get this thing right once and for all.
Or we shall be at the mercy of any group of men and women who want to 'pull a Mungiki'.
Thats where a new constitutional dispensation, the Bomas draft can come in and really pave way for a new socio-political dispensation
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« Reply #23 on Jun 3, 2007, 10:38pm » | |
PM
I will get back to you on the issues you have raised in relation to what I said.
By the way this is the other discussion on the same topic at Kenyaimagine. I asked our friends their to hook up the story so we can share the discussion. Unfortunately, they only hooked up one piece.
So here we go.
http://www.kenyaimagine.com/index.php?op....d=564&Itemid=86
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« Reply #24 on Jun 4, 2007, 12:26am » | |
AO
And also I would like to hear your view of a possible KM/Jomo/Moi/Kibs/Biwott/Nyachae/Kombo/Chirau/ Axis Vs R/Ruto ODM.
It may be far fetched but It will sure shake up things and possibly shut out R.
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And KM/jomo jnr CONSPICOUSLY absent in mudamba jnr 'Vision' Launch.
Guess who were there
R
Ruto
Balala
Ntimama
et al.
http://www.eastandard.net/hm_news/news.php?articleid=1143969521
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« Reply #26 on Jun 4, 2007, 8:22am » | |
They share a common tribal underpinning and what we are witnessing today in northern Uganda or at worst Rwanda could happen to Kenya. If not careful organisations like Mungiki could be a germination of things to come. They appear just as influential as somesort of perhaps violent lobby group for now, continuing to facilitate animosity.
The concern for now is, these people have integrated with the masses already, what's to say they won't mobilise into a coherent modern day Mau Mau as a somewhat messy counterinsurgency unit utilising the mass-base force to carry out random carnage for tribal/political motives. If these reports are true and indeed Mungiki does have 1 million or so members, then it is concerning.
I agree with Mr Oloo's nail analogy, political tasks could be misused/abused to fuel their growth to eventually swerve the masses to see their 'just' cause in conjunction with tribal dissention, political turmoils to commit mob mentality, political justice of a bigger magnitude in which I believe is a major component to the operational successes of genocides. I hope the leaders of Mungiki realise its been done before and history tells us when it happens things will go out of control, bigger than they can manage, all that awaits them even if they flee is the noose.
It appears they're running behind schedule or is it because Kibaki was elected? Is this what they meant by 2 years? I'm curious what exactly did the NARC govt broker with them in 2 years. Has there been a fallout since? If so is this not the govt's mandate to rectify the wrangles instead of ignoring them like they did when ODM extended the olive branch?
Quote:What Makes Mungiki Tick?
By Muthui Mwai, The Nation (Nairobi), 23 October 2000
...Meet the Mungiki sect. It is purpotedly a revolutionary group which "will realise its goal in two years".
The recent merger of its members with Muslims, says national co-ordinator Ibrahim Ndura Waruingi, "will hasten the realisation of this goal."
"Islam means submission to God, while Mungiki means the masses. In two years, we will have converted Kenya or at least three quarters of it to Mungiki," he says.
He adds that Mungiki has about four million members in the country and hundreds of co-ordinating units from the national to the locational level.
"Our aim is to spearhead African socialism. We have a duty to mobilise and bring economical, political and social changes in society so that the masses can control their destiny."
Other goals are to fight against bad governance and social ills facing the society and to establish a just nation.
...Advocates of the materialist theory claim that revolutions are not created in people's minds but out of adverse socio-economic conditions. And on this basis, they argue, the Mau Mau liberation war was started in the early Fifties by the Kenyan peasantry after it became disillusioned with the colonial oppressors and the African elite, who were compromised by the colonists.
Fifty years later, Kenya's history seems set to repeat itself. Mungiki - a shadowy movement - has been organising itself quietly and systematically as the Government downplays its threat.
... the Mungiki group has been credited with two positive things, bringing order to matatu operations in Kasarani area, Nairobi, and being at the forefront of the campaign for a people-driven constitution reform. At the Kasarani area, no thefts have been reported since the sect members started their operations.
The group has flushed out several thugs and juveniles. 'Islam means submission to God, while Mungiki means the masses. In two years, Kenyans will submit to our ideals...' |
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Excerpts from foreign media...
Quote:Mau Mau returns to Kenya
By Paul Harris, Sydney Morning Herald, Monday 17 January 2000
Thousands of young Kenyans, inspired by the bloody Mau Mau rebellion that fought British colonial rule, are flocking to an aggressive religious cult that rejects the trappings of Western culture.
Followers of the so-called Mungiki youth sect, whose 300,000 members see themselves as "the true sons of the Mau Mau", decry what they regard as the more degenerate aspects of Western culture, including cinemas, alcohol, tobacco and miniskirts.
The cult is rapidly gaining popularity by preaching a back-to-basics message of traditional African beliefs mixed with a virulent hatred of Kenya's current ruling elite, which it sees as corrupt and Western-influenced.
Government ministers have accused the movement of plotting to overthrow the state and of holding secretive "oathing ceremonies" similar to those held by the Mau Mau fighters.
Fears are growing that national elections in 2002 will see widespread violence involving the cult. During the last polls in 1997, there were fights between Mungiki members and the youth wing of the ruling Kanu party.
Since then, the movement has grown rapidly and some Kenyan political observers fear that the next bout of violence could be much worse.
Mungiki means "multitude" in the Kikuyu language, which is spoken by the tribespeople who live in the former "White Highlands" around Mount Kenya. Chapters of the sect, which the government says is illegal, are springing up in every town and large village in Kikuyu territory.
The town of Thika, one hour's drive from the capital, Nairobi, is one of the movement's strongholds.
Though made famous by Elspeth Huxley's novel The Flame Trees of Thika, the town now boasts little to inspire its inhabitants. The roads are potholed and the dilapidated town centre is ringed by foul-smelling townships. It is here, among the poverty-stricken mud huts and open sewers, that Mungiki beliefs are winning the most support, with a call for "a second Mau Mau" to cleanse black Kenyans of non-African influences.
"The Mau Mau fought for freedom, but they didn't fight for the sort of life we have now. In us, the beliefs of the Mau Mau live on," said Anthony Mwangi, 21, a local Mungiki leader in Thika.
Members often meet in secret to avoid police harassment. Mr Mwangi is willing to speak only when safely hidden away in the back seat of a car in one of Thika's many dark alleys.
"The government is afraid of us because they know what crimes they have committed and they know that we have the support of the people. We are the true sons of the Mau Mau," he said.
The Mau Mau were dispossessed Kikuyus who wanted to drive out European colonists who had taken their land. In order to protect the terrified settlers, the British Army launched a brutal campaign of suppression.
From 1952 to 1956, British troops bombed the Mau Mau's forest hideouts and executed more than 1,000 of their members.
Like the Mau Mau, the Mungiki movement is made up almost entirely of Kikuyus, who feel left out of power in Kenya because President Daniel arap Moi's support base is drawn from other Kenyan tribes.
"Today is just like 1952 [when the Mau Mau rebellion broke out]. The government now are no better than those who collaborated with the British," Mr Mwangi said.
Though members deny resurrecting Mau Mau oaths, they do use a special baptising ceremony where new members have to cross a river strewn with oils and herbs.
Mr Mwangi says he believes in reverence for traditional African nature spirits. Like many Kikuyus, he holds sacred the jagged volcanic peaks of Mt Kenya, which looms over Thika. |
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« Reply #27 on Jun 4, 2007, 9:25am » | |
Another question.
Will Mungiki affect in anyway the electoral fortunes of a Gema candidate for P.O.R.K in the near and distant future? Is a putative jomo jnr Presidency still born?
Is there a risk of consigning a whole community to a pariah status ("they are killers and violent and cant be trusted with power), the way the Luos were during the jomo and moi regimes?
Will this Mungiki insurgency make healing tribal wounds that much more difficult?
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« Reply #28 on Jun 4, 2007, 11:30am » | |
Last week, I was with Mwandawiro in the Greater Kisii as the local newspapers continued to publish claims that the Kenyan Police were "looking" for Mwandariwo. When we pitched camp with R in the Greater Rift Valley a few days later, Mwandawiro was as active as ever, yet the newspapers continued to repeat the ridiculous claims that he was "being sought by the police".
The impression was created that he was hidding from the police.
In fact, Mwandawiro's official bodyguard, who was withdrawn yesterday, is a police officer. Had the police wanted to effect an arrest on Mwandawiro over the ridiculous allegations over Mungiki, I believe that they have had more than adequate opportunities to do that.
This only explains that those who believe everything they read in the papers might be in need help...
Having said that, I also spoke with a prominent Kenyan jounarlist last week who seemed, like me, to suspect that the so-called "ongoing Munigiki carnage" are DELIBERATE political acts, not on the part of the so-called Mungiki, but from higher up on the "official" political ladders...
Kenyans are being butchered in large numbers all over the country. They are dying innocently in the Mount Elgon Area without even a comment from Kibaki. In fact, Kibaki only commented on this menace once the attack reached his Othaya Constituency.
However, before the menace can be rooited out, we need to look deeper than the symptoms. One has to look at those who have been funding and working with the Mungiki. We know some are cabinet ministers while others are "leading" opposition figures. Even the so-called Mungiki have claimed the same.
I mean, does Michuki want Kenyans to believe that he has no idea where Njenga Waruinge is? How about the other one who gave a public interview with Al-Jazeera TV network last week? If a TV station can locate a Minguki leader, why shouldn't Michuki's boys and girls?
There is a chilling political message the canage is aimed at transmitting, months before the general and presidential elections. I am not so sure that holding "meetings"with the Mungiki is the most effective and efficient "solution" to the problem.
I tend to agree with Adongo that Oloo's proposal (which Kalonzo also seems to suggest) is problematic. It is one thing to hold a genuine "mediation" exercise with any group. It is quite another to expect the Kibaki Government to do so. Given credible claims that the Kibaki Government harbours Mungiki, the suggestion is tantamount to having Mungiki hold meetings amongst its members while pretending that it is "negotiating" with the "Government."
Now to Maina: I don't know what your intentions are my friend, but you should be aware that I don't fall victim to such baits. Deal with the Mungiki issue and refrain from dragging our names through this filthy trail...
Otherwise, ODM-K remains united and formidable. Mungiki or any other Government Projects will not deter it. [unedited]
MM, NYANDO
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« Reply #29 on Jun 4, 2007, 6:59pm » | |
Miguna
How is the political landscape coming along? The stuff about Mwandawiro was quite disturbing. The government not only said they want to arrest him, they actually went ahead and accused him of being involved with robbery and some other violent crimes of Mungiki. What is Michuki up to? And now they have withdrawn his security? Do they want to shoot him or arrest him? They should make up their minds and let us know.
You know the funny part of this. Remember Mwandawiro in 1985/86. He was doing his masters in Kiswahili at UoN. I was a labourer at Mombasa Polytechnic teaching accounting of all things to smart Kenyans. Then Moi decided he had to put Mwandawiro in prison. The students most of whom had come from the National Youth Service provided round the clock security to Mwandawiro and at the height of that titanic battle Mwandawiro inspected a guard of honour mounted by the students brigade in full uniform. They brought the army to provide cover as the Special Branch pounced to arrest Mwandawiro. It was also the end of the National Youth Services program for students. I hope we are not going back to those scary scenarios.
My point though is that it seems there are several schemes going on with Michuki and his buddy Kibaki. These guys are upto something. I mean they have set new standards of incompetency, but why all these stray arrows? Something is cooking and we are going to find that out pretty soon.
As for talking to Mungiki, I stand by my earlier suggestion that the human rights groups have to bypass the government. Ironically it is actually people like Mwandawiro who can actually talk to some of these youth, acknowledge their concerns and find proper ways to channel their agenda into national discourse.
My friend, Pmaniac asked me earlier what to do with groups like Baghdad Boys, Taliban etc. I think the Mungiki issue is different. Some of those groups arose out of specific conditions where people felt they needed to protect themselves. Those conditions don't exist anymore and naturally those groups have died a natural death. Mungiki has evolved and today represents young people who feel they are being screwed. They have resorted to what they know best. They are banding together, finding ways to make money and building a parallel social order for themselves. The politicians who thought they could use the movement for the parochial interests have been caught with their pants down, literally.
What we have to do is to convince Mungiki youth that killing people will not solve their problems. We also have to let the Kenyan youth know that their problems are our problems. Also that all the Kenyan youth face the same problems of poverty and hopelessness. One thing the human rights groups could do is organize a youth dialogue project where youth from different parts of the country travel across the country and talk to each other. Let's get young folk from Murang'a going to Eldoret, to Isiolo and to Kisumu to talk to their peers and let's see if they have common concerns and can develop a common strategy to change things.
I think people have to see this Mungiki uprising as an opportunity for change and not just a law and order issue. The Michukis and Kibakis have no idea what to do. They have reached the end of their journey. We have to take it from there. Those who embraced Mungiki thinking it would help them have hit a mighty road block. Good for them.
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« Reply #30 on Jun 4, 2007, 7:03pm » | |
I invite Jukwaa members to re-read my original posting.
There are several implications flowing from my call for the government to initiate proactive dialogue with the Mungiki leadership.
If part of the leadership of Mungiki is embedded in the Kibaki regime, then the logical conclusion would have a ripple effect of far reaching impact.
Another key aspect is to pull the rug of blackmail and terror from under the feet of ALL belligerents.
I do not know if I am communicating.
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« Reply #31 on Jun 4, 2007, 7:32pm » | |
OO
I actually cant understand what you are saying, its a bit too cryptic.
AO
I think the mungiki issue can best be dealth with in a Truth and Reconciliation type committee, in a post this Govt era, where accountability must be assumed by those responsible and they should confess and then we take it from there.
Other past crimes by such militias like the ones responsible for the land clashes must be brought to account too. What will Ntimama say  ?
Economic crimes must be owned up to too.
This wont be easy.
I dont think its wise to just deal with the symptoms of the disease (Mungiki emergence) in a vaccuum, but not the aetiology (social justice, and economic disparities).
This only increases the urgency of regime change and the adoption of a new constitutional dispensation.
Nothing is going to happen during the next 5 months.
Hope lies in a new Govt preferably one led by R.
He has the guts, the vision, and the attitude to jump start these kind of talks.
MM
I wish you well
And Mwandawiro too.
I was having nightmares yesterday when I put forward a scenario of kibs stepping down, KM defecting with jomo jnr and coalescing around Moi/biwott, with the likes of kombo my homie and nyachae and mwakere and mbwatana etc ganging up against R/Ruto/Mudamba jnr.
Whats the chance of this happening? should I just chill out?
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« Reply #32 on Jun 4, 2007, 10:43pm » | |
An interesting take on the Mungiki Dilemma
http://www.timesnews.co.ke/05jun07/editorials/comm1.html
And another take;
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Former Limuru Member of Parliament George Nyanja could not hold back his tears during a press briefing where he recounted his ordeal in police custody after he was seized by detectives a week ago on suspicion of being an operative of the outlawed Mungiki sect. He was accompanied by former Kasarani MP Adolf Muchiri (r), also arrested and bonded over similar charges.
http://www.timesnews.co.ke/05jun07/nwsstory/topstry.html
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« Reply #33 on Jun 4, 2007, 11:06pm » | |
AO
My point exactly.
What about these other militias?
Supposing they too, pull a mungiki then what?
The Mungiki play book can be replicated its a matter of just developing the brutal attitude needed.
A comprehensive, rather than a piecemeal effort is what is needed.
That needs regime change, a new constitution, bringing past inadequacies, injustices to light in a forum that fosters unity rather than retribution as much as I would love to skin the likes of me-chuki and biwott etc.
Its gonna be tough for the next Govt be it the present one or hopefullly R's
Its a poisoned chalice this sloth will be handing over.
So much has gone wrong in a span of just 4yrs.
And tribalism and corruption, together with insecurity, will be the bane for this regime.
I just dont see how Kenyans can give this f@cker onother term.
But again Kenyans are world class amnesiacs esp when bantu will be presented with a binary choice of re-electing this failed regime Vs a Nilote led competent one
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Wuod Gem
How can you advocate sitting down with Mungiki who are commiting evil
deeds? The society has jails to lock up criminal, police to maintain
laws, courts to judge and remove crminials from society and army to
provide security. Next time you will be negotiating with the Devil
himself. Let's examine The Devil's crafty ways:-
Satan's Subtle and Crafty Acts
Satan has had a long time to study human psychology, to analyze human
nature with all its inborn and acquired defects. He knows how to play
on our weaknesses and our vanity. Now, what is the situation if your
enemy knows your weaknesses and you fail to recognize them yourself?
Then you are ill-equipped to defend yourself, since you are not aware
of the chinks in your spiritual armor. (1 Corinthians 10:12; Hebrews
12:12, 13) How appropriate the words of a Scottish poet: `O would
some power the gift give us to see ourselves as others see us! It
would from many a blunder free us.'
Are we willing to see ourselves as others see us—especially as God or
Satan might see us? That requires honest self-analysis and appraisal
and the will to make a change. Self-deception is so easy. (James
1:23, 24) How we sometimes rationalize to justify our course of
action! (Compare 1 Samuel 15:13-15, 20, 21, 24.) And how easy it is
to say, "Well, nobody is perfect, you know!" That is just what Satan
knows, and he takes advantage of our imperfection. (2 Samuel 11:2-27)
How sad to reach middle age and come to realize that because of the
despotic, impersonal, or unkind way one has dealt with others over
the years, one has become friendless; or to realize that one has done
little or nothing to make other people happy. With subtlety Satan has
perhaps led us through life using our inborn selfishness to blind us.
We have failed to capture the essence of the true mind of Christ—
love, compassion, and kindness.—1 John 4:8, 11, 20.
Therefore, in order to resist Satan, we must examine ourselves. Do
you have a weakness that Satan could exploit or is exploiting right
now? Do you have an ego problem? Must you always be number one? Is
pride your hidden motivating force? Does jealousy, envy, or love of
money distort your personality? Do you have a chip on your shoulder?
Are you cold and cynical? Or are you hypersensitive when offered
suggestions or criticism? Do you resent or even refuse counsel? If we
know ourselves, we can rectify such problems, provided we are humble.
Otherwise, we are leaving ourselves open to Satan.—1 Timothy 3:6, 7;
Hebrews 12:7, 11; 1 Peter 5:6-8.
Satan can also undermine our spirituality in a subtle, insidious way.
Perhaps we get upset about the way things are being done in the
congregation or the organization. Often we do not have all the facts,
but we easily jump to conclusions. If our relationship with Jehovah
is weak, then it is a short step to negative thinking and doubts
about the truth. Some may look for a self-justifying way out of the
responsibilities that the truth entails. Satan then puts disloyalty
and treason into their hearts. Soon they are victims of apostasy, and
Satan rejoices.—Luke 22:3-6; John 13:2, 27; 2 John 9-11.
Others are emboldened by Satan not only to commit gross sins worthy
of disfellowshipping but even to resort to lies and deception in
order to try to fool the congregation elders. Like Ananias and
Sapphira, they think they can deceive the angels and God's holy
spirit. (Acts 5:1-10) Many thousands in recent years have fallen into
Satan's trap of immorality. The Devil knows that mankind's sexual
impulses are powerful, and through his world system, he highlights,
perverts, and distorts the role of sexuality. (Numbers 25:1-3)
Unmarried Christians may be tempted into fornication or other sexual
abuses. (Proverbs 7:6-23) If married Christians allow their minds and
hearts to wander, they can easily fall into treasonable conduct,
betraying the spouse to whom they vowed fidelity.—1 Corinthians 6:18;
7:1-5; Hebrews 13:4.
We live in a world in which lies, deceit, and violent anger are
commonplace. Satan makes full use of the media to put across this
degraded mentality. Television serials or soap operas portray
attractive-looking people living in a web of mutual deceit. If we
allow that thinking to affect us, we can soon start giving way
to "minor" sins, which become the thin edge of the wedge for "major"
ones. Satan's subtle suggestions easily insinuate themselves into our
thinking. How can we resist such influences? Never "allow place for
the Devil," as Paul counseled. That also means to control whom you
allow into your home through the television. Should we not abhor the
intrusion of violent, immoral, foulmouthed persons who bring
pollution into our living room?—Ephesians 4:23-32.
Be careful whom you want to negotiate with? Is the person acting from
Satan's influence? Be careful what advice you are giving others. When
you give this advice did you feel inspired by God?
Bob-K
Reading from the Bible
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« Reply #35 on Jun 5, 2007, 2:02pm » | |
Re: [KOL] Re: Sit Down With Mungiki
Bob-Neihbor,
I do not understand my friend, Onyango Oloo. Over to
your namesake to seek Sir God's intervention and
advice on our way forward. Fr++++, is it time to sit
and negotiate with killers?
NEGOTIATE WHAT? SO HELP ME GOD...
I am taking my plane today headed to Charlotte
International Airport.
Kiptenengen arap Matiangigen.
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