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Post by adongo23456 on Aug 26, 2012 20:14:33 GMT 3
Folks,
As I write this short note, I am in Bondo Town, again, having spent a week in Nairobi and now back here to wind up my trip to the motherland which has been fantastic to say the least.
I am sure before I finish this note Jukwaa members shall have hurled endless amounts of abuses and insults at each other and will definitely be dwelling on the Miguna phenomena which has defined all Jukwaa thinking and actions if any about the problems in our country around Miguna and his book.
Whether it was the book launch with outrageous falsehoods from Miguna. Whether it was the hyped Miguna return or the ongoing "County Tour", I have come to the conclusion that Miguna for better of for worse have taken over Jukwaa.
I do not have the time to dwell on the so many critical things going on in the country today as we speak including very critical issues on the just passed Leadership and Integrity Bill which has huge implications for the future of our country.
All I can say is that I have come to the conclusion that me as Adongo Ogony may have more to contribute to the country we all love so much elsewhere than being so much involved in Jukwaa. I am therefore withdrawing my membership from Jukwaa with immediate effect.
I have no doubt that Jukwaa will continue to thrive. I have tremendous respect for Jukwaa as a public forum despite my views on any particular contributors.
Of course I will always continue to read Jukwaa.
Adios,
Cheers.
Adongo Ogony
Bondo, Siaya County
8.13 p.m
Note:
I will contact Oloo to do the official de-registration process.
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Post by OtishOtish on Aug 26, 2012 20:18:04 GMT 3
Adongo:
I urge you to reconsider. You are the sort of worthy contributor that a forum like Jukwaa needs. The current circus will inevitably come to an end.
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Post by abdulmote on Aug 26, 2012 20:26:29 GMT 3
Adongo,
Not so soon brother,
We still need your views on the many Kenyan issues.
Do take your time off, but please just hang in there and come back when you see fit. You don't have to "de-register". Besides, I was still looking forward to your narrations on your home visit and the pictures from Bondo and I sure so are many others. Dont just sever us because of...any reason...just yet!
Stay put comrade.
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Post by deyiengs on Aug 26, 2012 20:28:45 GMT 3
Oh no!
I also urge you to reconsider. Don't quit, not yet.
I understand the level at which this forum has plummeted to. It's pathetic to say the least, but quitting should never be an option.
But if you really have to go... speechless.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 20:29:27 GMT 3
Folks, As I write this short note, I am in Bondo Town, again, having spent a week in Nairobi and now back here to wind up my trip to the motherland which has been fantastic to say the least. I am sure before I finish this note Jukwaa members shall have hurled endless amounts of abuses and insults at each other and will definitely be dwelling on the Miguna phenomena which has defined all Jukwaa thinking and actions if any about the problems in our country around Miguna and his book. Whether it was the book launch with outrageous falsehoods from Miguna. Whether it was the hyped Miguna return or the ongoing "County Tour", I have come to the conclusion that Miguna for better of for worse have taken over Jukwaa with immediate effect. I do not have the time to dwell on the so many critical things going on in the country today as we speak including very critical issues on the just passed Leadership and Integrity Bill which has huge implications for the future of our country. All I can say is that I have come to the conclusion that me as Adongo Ogony may have more to contribute to the country we all love so much elsewhere than being so much involved in Jukwaa. I am therefore withdrawing my membership from Jukwaa. I have no doubt that Jukwaa will continue to thrive. I have tremendous respect for Jukwaa as a public forum despite my views on any particular contributors. Of course I will always continue to read Jukwaa. Adios, Cheers. Adongo Ogony Bondo, Siaya County 8.13 p.m Note: I will contact Oloo to do the official de-registration process. see you in the whirlwind. I hope you're moving on to bigger and better things. And perhaps jukwaa helped you get there! cheerio |
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Post by phil on Aug 26, 2012 20:33:46 GMT 3
Folks, As I write this short note, I am in Bondo Town, again, having spent a week in Nairobi and now back here to wind up my trip to the motherland which has been fantastic to say the least. I am sure before I finish this note Jukwaa members shall have hurled endless amounts of abuses and insults at each other and will definitely be dwelling on the Miguna phenomena which has defined all Jukwaa thinking and actions if any about the problems in our country around Miguna and his book. Whether it was the book launch with outrageous falsehoods from Miguna. Whether it was the hyped Miguna return or the ongoing "County Tour", I have come to the conclusion that Miguna for better of for worse have taken over Jukwaa. I do not have the time to dwell on the so many critical things going on in the country today as we speak including very critical issues on the just passed Leadership and Integrity Bill which has huge implications for the future of our country. All I can say is that I have come to the conclusion that me as Adongo Ogony may have more to contribute to the country we all love so much elsewhere than being so much involved in Jukwaa. I therefore withdrawing my membership to Jukwaa. I have no doubt that Jukwaa will continue to thrive. I have tremendous respect for Jukwaa as a public forum despite my views on any particular contributors. Of course I will always continue to read Jukwaa. Adios, Cheers. Adongo Ogony Bondo, Siaya County 8.13 p.m Note: I will contact Oloo to do the official de-registration process. Bw Adongo, Your frustration is understandable. Onyango Oloo appointed you moderator. He obviously respects you. The current moderator is a huge disappointment. She has never done any moderation. You declined the appointment. My take on this is that you and Oloo need to have a sitting. Obviously, Miguna is bad influence. You can appreciate the circumstances perhaps more than any other Jukwaaist. It may be misconstrued as cowardice if you give up now. Take a break but by all means do not give up. I hope you will look for Oloo and have a private chat with him. |
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Post by mbuta on Aug 26, 2012 20:57:06 GMT 3
Adongo my fellow village-mate, what is? Why are you quitting?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Aug 26, 2012 21:51:59 GMT 3
Adongo,
This is not the first time a single issue or personality has dominated jukwaa. How dare you forget ICC and the PEV cases? Look for another excuse my friend. I actually told a friend a few months ago, just after the Mudavadi debacle that by December this year, many of these guys on jukwaa will have deleted their accounts and disappeared to God knows where, because the project that is keeping them here on jukwaa is falling apart right in our own eyes. What an opportunity Miguna Miguna has provided?
Anyway ndugu, fair thee well, and may luck go with you. Was nice engaging here and hope to meet you in real life some time soon. Enjoy your stay in Bondo and later in Toronto whenever you fly back there. We shall in the meantime keep working very hard to kick the impunity guys out of our government once and for all. So far, I like what I am seeing, we shall keep you posted. Kwaheri ndugu.
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 26, 2012 21:54:46 GMT 3
Folks, I have come to the conclusion that Miguna for better of for worse have taken over Jukwaa. All I can say is that I have come to the conclusion that me as Adongo Ogony may have more to contribute to the country we all love so much elsewhere than being so much involved in Jukwaa. The Miguna fall out is going to have a lot of collateral consequences in far flung areas! But this reasoning is absurd. Have you tried to check the roll-call of threads on Jukwaa's headline page, or the pages of the archives? The range of subjects is as wide as the world beyond Kenya. You can take your pick, and make a posting that shall drive us flies, off the Miguna dung heap, and draw us to that more important compost!The thread on finance bill for instance. We have very few writers on the intricacies of fiscal policy in Kenya. You could research this topic and come back at us with a nuclear bomb of a post!There is the president of Afrika, Zuma, caught with blood in his hands mowing down his miners like good old John Voster used to do in the bad days. What better thread than to take a look at the pitfalls of creating a black business class that inherits the economic structure of the oppressor? Do you Adongo find it impossible to avoid Miguna threads? [see einstein and otishotish pledge] NB: But I always knew this Miguna thing disturbs far and wide in the background. That is why it works as a hype, not just on Jukwaa but on other social media, achieving saturated hit levels. Instinctively folks know this is the gorge of turbulence where many tributaries meet, and the melee of emotions reflect, unclearly, the drained lands yonder in the dark mental set-up of Kenya. But what exactly goes on beyond the horizons from whence the waters have come? Nobody can say, but that something goes on, all they know, and thus the intensity of emotions aroused while all can see the comedy, the theater. Biologised, we gather to watch and talk and wonder. Trying to fathom what it is that goes on in our land, that of which this 'Miguna episode' is a modern parable. A careful study of which will reveal a lot about Kenya. Imagine a whole professor has said he is a NISS project. That is a guy who should know something. But Miguna is also mad, his boss says. When your national security service, at a time whey your country is at war (yes we are actually at war in Somalia), goes to bed with a mad man for local politics, don't you think you should stop to think about it?What kind of dynamics can force a national intelligence service to indulge itself with a mad man? And what if that info is not true? Serious answers to these will reveal alot about the state of the state. I think if Adongo wants out, he goes out. What he can not do is give some stupid reason and get away with it. Einstein & Otishtish are quitting the Miguna threads  , but staying on the board -- to talk about oil in Turkana which the Karamojong of Uganda will want their share of: something to do with ancestral lands. Adongo is not saying right out why he is quitting, methinks. A quiet exit would be best. An announced suicide? there is a saying about that. In Luoland. |
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Post by mzee on Aug 26, 2012 22:23:48 GMT 3
Adongo thura,
You need not quit jukwaa because of Miguna. I understand he called you a "despicable character" and this could have triggered your quitting.
Do as I have decided to do, boycott all Miguna threads hence forth.
They don't add any value to jukwaa.
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Post by kamalet on Aug 26, 2012 22:24:03 GMT 3
In the fullness of time, we shall have another reincarnation of Adongo.... a version 3 of a kind which may read like Adongo34567 as we have dispensed with Adongo12345 which was abandoned in a fit of anger to be replaced by Adongo23456 though in this case he would like to stay on as a lurker!
That it would be Miguna's saga that finally forces Adongo to run away from Jukwaa ony makes me laugh. It is the likes of Adongo and those villifying Miguna that put Miguna in that pedestal he thinks makes him exhaultable. I kept saying Miguna always thought himself too important whilst in fact he was nothing more than an activist with little political credentials to talk of. I did not shed a tear when he was sacked by Raila as many people here considered Raila a traitor for sacking him.
But I will not sit and imagine that the treatment Miguna is getting from the Raila sycophants is agreeable with me especially when this is done here in Jukwaa - supposedly the place of intellectual debate! I have very little to agree with Miguna, perhaps not even like the man, but I will not throw an insult at him for betraying Raila as some have done here!
As you expect, there is only one version of Kamalet...so this man is not running away from Jukwaa just yet!
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Post by b6k on Aug 26, 2012 23:26:09 GMT 3
I actually told a friend a few months ago, just after the Mudavadi debacle that by December this year, many of these guys on jukwaa will have deleted their accounts and disappeared to God knows where, because the project that is keeping them here on jukwaa is falling apart right in our own eyes. What an opportunity Miguna Miguna has provided? , I think you hit the nail on the head! I think if Adongo wants out, he goes out. What he can not do is give some stupid reason and get away with it. Einstein & Otishtish are quitting the Miguna threads , but staying on the board -- to talk about oil in Turkana which the Karamojong of Uganda will want their share of: something to do with ancestral lands. Adongo is not saying right out why he is quitting, methinks. A quiet exit would be best. An announced suicide? there is a saying about that. In Luoland. Indeed Jakasawanga it is rather telling that his handle doesn't read "guest" yet he claims to have left. Having observed enough cyber-suicides on Jukwaa this looks as "staged" as Miguna's assault in Mombasa is alleged to have been by some on the board  In the fullness of time, we shall have another reincarnation of Adongo... . a version 3 of a kind which may read like Adongo34567 as we have dispensed with Adongo12345 which was abandoned in a fit of anger to be replaced by Adongo23456 though in this case he would like to stay on as a lurker! That it would be Miguna's saga that finally forces Adongo to run away from Jukwaa ony makes me laugh. It is the likes of Adongo and those villifying Miguna that put Miguna in that pedestal he thinks makes him exhaultable. I kept saying Miguna always thought himself too important whilst in fact he was nothing more than an activist with little political credentials to talk of. I did not shed a tear when he was sacked by Raila as many people here considered Raila a traitor for sacking him. But I will not sit and imagine that the treatment Miguna is getting from the Raila sycophants is agreeable with me especially when this is done here in Jukwaa - supposedly the place of intellectual debate! I have very little to agree with Miguna, perhaps not even like the man, but I will not throw an insult at him for betraying Raila as some have done here! As you expect, there is only one version of Kamalet...so this man is not running away from Jukwaa just yet! ;D ;D Kamale, version 3 will return no doubt. That said, Adongo's act of self-destruction may be driven more by the realization, as Mwalimumkuu aptly put it, that the 30 year project is unraveling. The spell has been broken & things are falling apart, at the eleventh hour because of betrayal from within. That's enough to make anyone want out... |
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Post by phil on Aug 27, 2012 11:01:20 GMT 3
Predictably, the usual suspects are rubbing their hands in glee as they seem to believe they have seen the last of formidable debator Adongo. It's easy to see why they would love to see Adongo depart from this board. With the exit of sober and highly informed debators Baba Watoto, Nalinali and Okhunyanye ...and now possibly Adongo....the face and substance of JUKWAA is definitely changing for the worse. Debate will certainly lose value and I am hoping Adongo will reconsider his decision to stay after meeting up with Oloo. And to Oloo, why have you locked your cautionary thread to Kathure and Reporter? You are muzling free speech with the now frequent habit of thread locking. This clearly denies Jukwaa members the opportunity to ventilate our views, especially on this pregnant question of online confidentiality, something I believe may have led to BabaWatoto's exit following your "Sadik Stalking Oloo" thread. In this post, Oloo, you went as far as threatening to do a background check on Babawatoto with the intention of establishing his real identity. I also wonder if moderators enjoy privileged access to respective members' registration information, and if they undertake to maintain confidentiality prior to their taking up these positions? I fear to see what JUKWAA is quickly degenerating into - all because of one crazy dude called Miguna!? Gosh! This is painfully sad and I am not quite sure whom will be next. I urge you Onyango Oloo to take charge and exercise restraint especially during this pre-election period when passions will be inflammed, not to mention Miguna's book which you are personally promoting. I dare say that you ought to limit the pro-Miguna threads. In fact, in the matter of Miguna just avoid saying anything all together because you are partisan and thus unsuitable to moderate anything on that. You also need to urgently review the status of moderators. I suggest you let the members vote and appoint their own moderator. And despite your busy schedule promoting Miguna's book, find time to talk to Adongo. |
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Post by roughrider on Aug 27, 2012 12:56:18 GMT 3
Folks;
Sometimes, something like this is what we need to waken us up. If Adongo returns, where is the guarantee that the board will improve. As it is, there must be genuine commitment from board leadership to return tom the high standards we were known for. We can do that by understanding the genesis of our problems.
These are the chickens coming home to roost.
It is not a simple matter to loose important and prolific members in quick succession. We need to speak plainly about the primary cause of Jukwaa’s recent problems: Onyango Oloo. I believe that Oloo should apologize to all members, henceforth desist from abusing admin authority by spamming the board with Miguna Miguna and unfairly victimising critics of both he and Miguna.
What did Oloo do?
Oloo has systematically made Jukwaa a ‘Miguna’ forum (multiple, and often trivial threads on the same subject crowding out everything else) - we could not understand this, when Miguna dismisses the board.
Oloo trash talks regularly and insults Jukwaa members even when they are simply reacting in kind to his own bile (see, hyenas, etc).
Oloo reacts negatively to criticism and the truth is often a culprit.
Oloo exposes private correspondences without justification and threatens members with exposure in order to silence them.
Oloo is not, and we do not expect him to be, neutral. But he pretends to be.
As a result of these, and others; we decided to join him in the garbage pit. We need to have a honest discussion about how we pull ourselves from the muck. It starts with Oloo... and then Kathure, who has displayed immaturity and a shocking lack of judgement. In fact Kathure, if she believed in anything, and wanted to be taken seriously, should resign any moderator-ship role immediately. The board will only be as strong as the quality of its moderator-ship. Childishness and shallowness will disappear in the face of quality.
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Post by chokoraa on Aug 27, 2012 13:20:42 GMT 3
Adongo,
It is true any right thinking person would not want to be associated with the latest goings on in Jukwaa and I am in agreement, just quit.
That way OO may see sense in some of the actitvities he has condoned of late in Jukwaa.
Chokoraa
Ps.... Why don't you opt to be in the backbench like some of us?
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Post by Omwenga on Aug 27, 2012 15:53:55 GMT 3
Folks, As I write this short note, I am in Bondo Town, again, having spent a week in Nairobi and now back here to wind up my trip to the motherland which has been fantastic to say the least. I am sure before I finish this note Jukwaa members shall have hurled endless amounts of abuses and insults at each other and will definitely be dwelling on the Miguna phenomena which has defined all Jukwaa thinking and actions if any about the problems in our country around Miguna and his book. Whether it was the book launch with outrageous falsehoods from Miguna. Whether it was the hyped Miguna return or the ongoing "County Tour", I have come to the conclusion that Miguna for better of for worse have taken over Jukwaa. I do not have the time to dwell on the so many critical things going on in the country today as we speak including very critical issues on the just passed Leadership and Integrity Bill which has huge implications for the future of our country. All I can say is that I have come to the conclusion that me as Adongo Ogony may have more to contribute to the country we all love so much elsewhere than being so much involved in Jukwaa. I am therefore withdrawing my membership from Jukwaa with immediate effect. I have no doubt that Jukwaa will continue to thrive. I have tremendous respect for Jukwaa as a public forum despite my views on any particular contributors. Of course I will always continue to read Jukwaa. Adios, Cheers. Adongo Ogony Bondo, Siaya County 8.13 p.m Note: I will contact Oloo to do the official de-registration process. Unless the real reason for your exit is irreconcilable differences between you and OO, the right thing to do, in my view, is to simply ignore the Miguna posts and participate in those others you or others start that have nothing to do with Miguna and there are quite a few of those around. That's the essence of freedom of speech and association. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 16:49:55 GMT 3
Predictably, the usual suspects are rubbing their hands in glee as they seem to believe they have seen the last of formidable debator Adongo. It's easy to see why they would love to see Adongo depart from this board. With the exit of sober and highly informed debators Baba Watoto, Nalinali and Okhunyanye ...and now possibly Adongo....the face and substance of JUKWAA is definitely changing for the worse. Debate will certainly lose value and I am hoping Adongo will reconsider his decision to stay after meeting up with Oloo. And to Oloo, why have you locked your cautionary thread to Kathure and Reporter? You are muzling free speech with the now frequent habit of thread locking. This clearly denies Jukwaa members the opportunity to ventilate our views, especially on this pregnant question of online confidentiality, something I believe may have led to BabaWatoto's exit following your "Sadik Stalking Oloo" thread. In this post, Oloo, you went as far as threatening to do a background check on Babawatoto with the intention of establishing his real identity. I also wonder if moderators enjoy privileged access to respective members' registration information, and if they undertake to maintain confidentiality prior to their taking up these positions? I fear to see what JUKWAA is quickly degenerating into - all because of one crazy dude called Miguna!? Gosh! This is painfully sad and I am not quite sure whom will be next. I urge you Onyango Oloo to take charge and exercise restraint especially during this pre-election period when passions will be inflammed, not to mention Miguna's book which you are personally promoting. I dare say that you ought to limit the pro-Miguna threads. In fact, in the matter of Miguna just avoid saying anything all together because you are partisan and thus unsuitable to moderate anything on that. You also need to urgently review the status of moderators. I suggest you let the members vote and appoint their own moderator. And despite your busy schedule promoting Miguna's book, find time to talk to Adongo. you sound so unhappy here. Why don't you just move on like adongo. bigger better things out there  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 16:53:37 GMT 3
Folks;Sometimes, something like this is what we need to waken us up. If Adongo returns, where is the guarantee that the board will improve. As it is, there must be genuine commitment from board leadership to return tom the high standards we were known for. We can do that by understanding the genesis of our problems. These are the chickens coming home to roost. It is not a simple matter to loose important and prolific members in quick succession. We need to speak plainly about the primary cause of Jukwaa’s recent problems: Onyango Oloo. I believe that Oloo should apologize to all members, henceforth desist from abusing admin authority by spamming the board with Miguna Miguna and unfairly victimising critics of both he and Miguna. What did Oloo do?Oloo has systematically made Jukwaa a ‘Miguna’ forum (multiple, and often trivial threads on the same subject crowding out everything else) - we could not understand this, when Miguna dismisses the board. Oloo trash talks regularly and insults Jukwaa members even when they are simply reacting in kind to his own bile (see, hyenas, etc). Oloo reacts negatively to criticism and the truth is often a culprit. Oloo exposes private correspondences without justification and threatens members with exposure in order to silence them. Oloo is not, and we do not expect him to be, neutral. But he pretends to be. As a result of these, and others; we decided to join him in the garbage pit. We need to have a honest discussion about how we pull ourselves from the muck. It starts with Oloo... and then Kathure, who has displayed immaturity and a shocking lack of judgement. In fact Kathure, if she believed in anything, and wanted to be taken seriously, should resign any moderator-ship role immediately. The board will only be as strong as the quality of its moderator-ship. Childishness and shallowness will disappear in the face of quality. you too rr.i feel for you. seriously. you are so disappointed. like adongo, just step. other than that you're stuck here unhappy and all  |
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Post by phil on Aug 27, 2012 17:08:11 GMT 3
philyou sound so unhappy here. Why don't you just move on like adongo. bigger better things out there Not just about. Unfinished business. Awaiting Oloo's feedback on this. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 17:19:04 GMT 3
philyou sound so unhappy here. Why don't you just move on like adongo. bigger better things out there Not just about. Unfinished business. Awaiting Oloo's feedback on this. OK philstick around till you no longer have unfinished business. and jukwaa is doing alright. I mean right now there are 101 viewers, and 4 members on line. That's not too bad is it? |
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Post by emali on Aug 27, 2012 17:55:15 GMT 3
Adongo leaving is unfortunate he brought alot to this forum...but I understand...
@ Kathure
Si kwa ubaya lakini you are a lousy moderator....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 18:04:30 GMT 3
Adongo leaving is unfortunate he brought alot to this forum...but I understand... @ Kathure Si kwa ubaya lakini you are a lousy moderator.... how so? Explain. I'm open to hearing and even learning. |
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Post by emali on Aug 27, 2012 19:00:21 GMT 3
Adongo leaving is unfortunate he brought alot to this forum...but I understand... @ Kathure Si kwa ubaya lakini you are a lousy moderator.... how so? Explain. I'm open to hearing and even learning. Your comments above to Phil & RR for starters...you seem quite eager to see them leave. I haven’t been a member long here but I frequent this site quite often and their are many members here who make it worth my while and Adongo was one of the best... Adongo has decided to leave but all you can muster is tell him adios & the rest of the board to follow suit  I don’t know maybe it’s because you know him personally & don’t see the big deal but I thought as the moderator this board’s growth or apparent demise would be of concern... 101 viewers and 4 members online may seem to be alright but I think it’s modest & you should be aiming for much more and the way this place has been since Miguna & his tribulations took it over 70 of those viewers might be part of a funeral procession... O.O. has seen it fit to be part of Miguna’s entourage (I wish I had friends like him) leaving you here to according to definition be ‘someone who presides over a forum or debate’ & ‘be someone who mediates disputes and attempts to avoid violence’...IMO you have failed at both much like a football referee the less we hear from you the better...and most of the time that I notice your posts they tend to take a very pugilistic tone... |
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Post by furaha on Aug 27, 2012 19:19:14 GMT 3
emalihow so? Explain. I'm open to hearing and even learning. Indeed 101 viewers is very modest number compared to what it has been, especially at peak times. And it is true that half of those 101 are here in the hope of attending a funeral. The crowds at Nipate and other places have been alerted that Jukwaa is on its deathbed?  I think the majority here feel that they are dead wrong but here are still a few hecklers holding out. And they are a dying breed.  nipate.com/death-of-jukwaa-like-i-predicted-t15874.html |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 19:53:17 GMT 3
emalihow so? Explain. I'm open to hearing and even learning. Your comments above to Phil & RR for starters...you seem quite eager to see them leave. I haven’t been a member long here but I frequent this site quite often and their are many members here who make it worth my while and Adongo was one of the best... Adongo has decided to leave but all you can muster is tell him adios & the rest of the board to follow suit I don’t know maybe it’s because you know him personally & don’t see the big deal but I thought as the moderator this board’s growth or apparent demise would be of concern... 101 viewers and 4 members online may seem to be alright but I think it’s modest & you should be aiming for much more and the way this place has been since Miguna & his tribulations took it over 70 of those viewers might be part of a funeral procession... O.O. has seen it fit to be part of Miguna’s entourage (I wish I had friends like him) leaving you here to according to definition be ‘someone who presides over a forum or debate’ & ‘be someone who mediates disputes and attempts to avoid violence’...IMO you have failed at both much like a football referee the less we hear from you the better...and most of the time that I notice your posts they tend to take a very pugilistic tone... I suggest that since you're new here you go back to archives and see if perhaps you can understand where i'm coming from. rr and phil are Raila sycophants. According to them Raila can do no wrong. He must be super human. there are other resident sycopants here as well. When I was going to bat for Raila I still gave him only critical support because you know what? nobody is perfect. And to be perfectly honest, if those two wanted to leave, I'd tell them not to let the door hit them on the way out. But rest assured they will not. As far as adongo goes, he claims he's leaving the site because he can not take all the miguna this that and the other. First of all i do not buy that, secondly what did you want me to do. ball? nah! Others have urged him to stay. That's fine with me. But it's entirely up to him. Besides, I did wish him bigger and better things. moderating to me doesn't mean that i can't express my opinions, disagree with folks gently or otherwise. Neither does it mean that members can walk all over me and expect to get away with it. you did see that I was censured by the administrator Oloo in the same way that my nemesis reporter 101 was. That is contratry to lies propogated by those who claim that i can get away with whatever i want here. I've said it before and I'm saying it now. No one person has benefited from this forum as much as Raila Odinga has. Many, many of his supporters and ODM opperatives are here every single day because clearly, they view this place as a great place to promote their man. Now that I'm oppossed to him, I can expect that his supporters will attempt to chew and spit me out at every turn. |
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I don’t know maybe it’s because you know him personally & don’t see the big deal but I thought as the moderator this board’s growth or apparent demise would be of concern...
