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Post by Omwenga on Apr 14, 2013 0:58:12 GMT 3
In The Monkey On Uhuru Kenyatta's Back He Must Shake Loose, www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-116538/monkey-uhurus-back-he-must-shake-loose published in the Star today, I note how President Uhuru assumes the presidency under a cloud because a large section of the country does not believe he won the presidency in an open, fair and transparent election. I also note this is true even though the Supreme Court has ruled that the president was validly elected and in conformity with the constitution. Excerpts: His predecessor, now retired President Kibaki also came to office under a cloud having been hurriedly sworn in following an election in 2007 many believe he stole. ... Although the Supreme Court has entered a decision in Raila’s case challenging Uhuru’s election, most people await the written opinion to determine whether the decision itself is right and valid under the constitution and law. ... We have never had free, open and transparent elections reflecting the free will of the people since independence and even before. ... Many laughed at Moi and his failed project Uhuru but he is now the one laughing loudest and non-stop wherever he is and definitely will now be forever known as the professor of Kenyan politics. ... With Jubilee having the majority both in the National Assembly and the Senate, there is a lot of mischief Uhuru can visit on the country, if he so choses but for the same reason he can also do good for the country. The choice is his. President Uhuru has the opportunity and certainly can do enough good with his leadership to erase or at least minimise the stigma of having been questionably elected in a disputed election. ... President George W Bush, a Republican who many argue was appointed by the Supreme Court of the United States following a close election of 2000 in which his opponent had actually been declared the winner early in the day only to find out he lost—he really did not lose as he still contends because the court intervened and stopped the counting of votes in the state of Florida which paved way for George Bush to be declared the winner of that election. There was bitterness, resentment and anger among Democrats and independents who voted for Al Gore, but there was nothing they could do as the highest court in the land had spoken and there was no further recourse they could pursue to remedy what they clearly believed was an injustice. Sound familiar? Everyone who voted or supported Raila in 2013 elections will painfully say yes. President Bush was throughout his first term deemed a joke of a president besides being in office illegitimately and even when he was re-elected in 2004, he never could quite shake the illegitimate label. Will Uhuru Kenyatta be able to shake the label of illegitimacy as did Rutherford B Hays and continue the country on the path of reform or would he serve one or two terms of no marked distinction other than something he would not want on his legacy? |
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Post by mank on Apr 14, 2013 6:08:08 GMT 3
Omwenga,
If you write this theory over and over, that it is questionable whether Uhuru won, you might actually start believing it. As the case was coming to a close it seemed like Oraro Esq was about to apologize for representing his client with arguments that contradicted his knowledge. If you do not relate with what I am talking about, revisit the part where Uhuru's lawyer asked the court to issue summons to lawyers who had stood before it presenting what they knew were invalid claims.
In his own defense the esteemed lawyer argued that he was only representing his client ... that definitely seemed a submission to the first charge, that someone (he) had made arguments he knew to be untrue. Dig deeper and you find that the alleged untruth was about the whole petition ... so, if you do not believe that Uhuru won, you are either alone, or among the very very few. The man won! I didn't expect to be breaking such news so many days after the fact.
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Post by Omwenga on Apr 14, 2013 16:34:12 GMT 3
Omwenga, If you write this theory over and over, that it is questionable whether Uhuru won, you might actually start believing it. As the case was coming to a close it seemed like Oraro Esq was about to apologize for representing his client with arguments that contradicted his knowledge. If you do not relate with what I am talking about, revisit the part where Uhuru's lawyer asked the court to issue summons to lawyers who had stood before it presenting what they knew were invalid claims. In his own defense the esteemed lawyer argued that he was only representing his client ... that definitely seemed a submission to the first charge, that someone (he) had made arguments he knew to be untrue. Dig deeper and you find that the alleged untruth was about the whole petition ... so, if you do not believe that Uhuru won, you are either alone, or among the very very few. The man won! I didn't expect to be breaking such news so many days after the fact. Mank, I am not surprised you're making up facts (Americans like to say you're pulling facts off somewhere that rhymes with has) to suit your argument. Senior counsel Oraro never apologized for nothing in the proceedings and he certainly never made or even as remotely implied that he had made an argument that was not true and I can even go further to edify on why on its face it's illogical for a lawyer to apologize for an argument whether true or false but that's not necessary here. You're confusing something entirely different that happened, which Oraro actually admonished senior counsel Fred Ngatia who, incidentally, someone nearly threw a brick at me for having credited him for doing a better job than his fellow respondents' counsels, especially the two clowns we all know--anyway, be that as it may Oraro admonished Ngatia for shamelessly trying to accuse Oraro for abuse of process where there was no such a thing or even close. Regarding Ngatia's constantly trying to attack the character of the petitioners' lawyers, including Oraro who even the Court had to actually defend in saying he would never do anything unbecoming a lawyer, what Ngatia was whining about was that Oraro and counsel Kethi Kilonzo made references to facts in the affidavit that was not admitted into evidence but this whining was moronic at worst and disingenuous at best because even Ngatia knew that same information was in the package they filed; in fact, that's how respondents' counsel learned about it! We await the Supreme Court written opinion to learn how Uhuru "won." |
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Post by merkeju on Apr 15, 2013 2:09:22 GMT 3
The only thing that Ruto should pray for is that Uhuru is not like Kibaki who will trush the MOU they deposited with the registrar of societies.
The government, according to the swearing in of both Uhuru and Ruto is that they will uphold the constitution, and what does the constitution says about the president
(2) The President shall nominate and, with the approval of the
National Assembly, appoint, and may dismiss—
(a) the Cabinet Secretaries, in accordance with Article 152;
(b) the Attorney-General, in accordance with Article 156;
(c) the Secretary to the Cabinet in accordance with Article
154;
(d) Principal Secretaries in accordance with Article 155;
(e) high commissioners, ambassadors and diplomatic and
consular representatives; and
(f) in accordance with this Constitution, any other State or
public officer whom this Constitution requires or empowers
the President to appoint or dismiss.
(3) The President shall—
(a) chair Cabinet meetings;
(b) direct and co-ordinate the functions of ministries and
government departments; and
(c) by a decision published in the Gazette, assign responsibility
for the implementation and administration of any Act
of Parliament to a Cabinet Secretary, to the extent not
inconsistent with any Act of Parliament.
(4) The President may—
(a) perform any other executive function provided for in this
Constitution or in national legislation and, except as otherwise
provided for in this Constitution, may establish an office in
the public service in accordance with the recommendation
of the Public Service Commission;
(b) receive foreign diplomatic and consular representatives;
(c) confer honours in the name of the people and the
Republic;
(d) subject to Article 58, declare a state of emergency; and
(e) with the approval of Parliament, declare war.
When it comes to the Deputy president William Ruto
147. (1) The Deputy President shall be the principal assistant of
the President and shall deputies for the President in the execution of
the President’s functions.
(2) The Deputy President shall perform the functions conferred
by this Constitution and any other functions of the President as the
President may assign.
(3) Subject to Article 134, when the President is absent or is
temporarily incapacitated, and during any other period that the President
decides, the Deputy President shall act as the President.
(4) The Deputy President shall not hold any other State or public
office.
According to the constitution, the Deputy president get assigned what to do by the president, its at the president Uhuru discretion on what Ruto should do, there is no equal basis according to the constitution, atleast cabinet secretaries have ministries to run, the deputy president
(4) The Deputy President shall not hold any other State or public
office.
According to the constitution.
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Post by mank on Apr 15, 2013 8:10:02 GMT 3
Omwenga,
If you write this theory over and over, that it is questionable whether Uhuru won, you might actually start believing it. As the case was coming to a close it seemed like Oraro Esq was about to apologize for representing his client with arguments that contradicted his knowledge. If you do not relate with what I am talking about, revisit the part where Uhuru's lawyer asked the court to issue summons to lawyers who had stood before it presenting what they knew were invalid claims.
In his own defense the esteemed lawyer argued that he was only representing his client ... that definitely seemed a submission to the first charge, that someone (he) had made arguments he knew to be untrue. Dig deeper and you find that the alleged untruth was about the whole petition ... so, if you do not believe that Uhuru won, you are either alone, or among the very very few. The man won! I didn't expect to be breaking such news so many days after the fact. Mank, I am not surprised you're making up facts (Americans like to say you're pulling facts off somewhere that rhymes with has) to suit your argument. Senior counsel Oraro never apologized for nothing in the proceedings and he certainly never made or even as remotely implied that he had made an argument that was not true and I can even go further to edify on why on its face it's illogical for a lawyer to apologize for an argument whether true or false but that's not necessary here. You're confusing something entirely different that happened, which Oraro actually admonished senior counsel Fred Ngatia who, incidentally, someone nearly threw a brick at me for having credited him for doing a better job than his fellow respondents' counsels, especially the two clowns we all know--anyway, be that as it may Oraro admonished Ngatia for shamelessly trying to accuse Oraro for abuse of process where there was no such a thing or even close. Regarding Ngatia's constantly trying to attack the character of the petitioners' lawyers, including Oraro who even the Court had to actually defend in saying he would never do anything unbecoming a lawyer, what Ngatia was whining about was that Oraro and counsel Kethi Kilonzo made references to facts in the affidavit that was not admitted into evidence but this whining was moronic at worst and disingenuous at best because even Ngatia knew that same information was in the package they filed; in fact, that's how respondents' counsel learned about it! We await the Supreme Court written opinion to learn how Uhuru "won." [/size] [/quote] Very good Omwenga. ;D That response stands heads above shoulders with all others you have made. Still, surely, there is a meaning of the phrase "seemed like" that you neglect! The esteemed lawyer Oraro would have been very combative in the position he was put by Ngatia, but he chose to use words like "... we are only representing our clients. .... let's finish this and walk out as friends and be ready to take up other assignments together" (not exact quots). I still think that's an apology from Esq. You differ, and that's ok. By the way, Omwenga, a vision appeared to I, and I felt you and I have met. Does "Kisiii 4" mean anything to you? |
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Post by Omwenga on Apr 15, 2013 17:22:02 GMT 3
By the way, Omwenga, a vision appeared to I, and I felt you and I have met. Does "Kisiii 4" mean anything to you? Mank, I don't know anything about "Kisii 4" but I do have a cousin whose childhood nickname had something to do with four. I have not heard or seen him in a long time but he is so apolitical I doubt he knows much less cares who was elected president in Kenya so you can't be him ;D |
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Post by mank on Apr 16, 2013 5:51:37 GMT 3
By the way, Omwenga, a vision appeared to I, and I felt you and I have met. Does "Kisiii 4" mean anything to you?
I don't know anything about "Kisii 4" but I do have a cousin whose childhood nickname had something to do with four. I have not heard or seen him in a long time but he is so apolitical I doubt he knows much less cares who was elected president in Kenya so you can't be him ;D, I shared a hostel with an Omwenga at a certain Kenyan institution of higher learning, and Kisii 4 was our room number. I remember how badly he would complain whenever my friends and I lit up some things in the room, but over all he was a great guy. He was from Nyasiongo ... any chance that would be your politically negligent cousin? We used to call him "King of Nyasiongo" because Nyasiongo folks would always come to consult with him. I had to check whether that was you ... but shortly after I shot the posting I recalled that I have seen your picture somewhere along those "Uchambuzi Tanaka" writings. We used to joke a lot, and since I imagined you might be him I have seen our style of jokes creep into my exchanges with you. ... oh, sorry to digress, this thread was about a monkey and Uhuru's back. I have just pinched myself for the violation. |
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Post by Ouali on Apr 16, 2013 11:51:52 GMT 3
Looking for college friends? go to www.graduates.com or try facebook for that matter! Jukwaa is just not the place! |
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Post by Omwenga on Apr 16, 2013 16:30:04 GMT 3
Mank,
I don't know anything about "Kisii 4" but I do have a cousin whose childhood nickname had something to do with four. I have not heard or seen him in a long time but he is so apolitical I doubt he knows much less cares who was elected president in Kenya so you can't be him ;D , I shared a hostel with an Omwenga at a certain Kenyan institution of higher learning, and Kisii 4 was our room number. I remember how badly he would complain whenever my friends and I lit up some things in the room, but over all he was a great guy. He was from Nyasiongo ... any chance that would be your politically negligent cousin? We used to call him "King of Nyasiongo" because Nyasiongo folks would always come to consult with him. I had to check whether that was you ... but shortly after I shot the posting I recalled that I have seen your picture somewhere along those "Uchambuzi Tanaka" writings. We used to joke a lot, and since I imagined you might be him I have seen our style of jokes creep into my exchanges with you. ... oh, sorry to digress, this thread was about a monkey and Uhuru's back. I have just pinched myself for the violation. Mank, I am definitely not from Nyansiongo but am definitely king of Nyamache--or was anyway when growing up ;D Yeah, telling jokes is a tricky business; its like laying a pick-up line for those still in the hunt--works for some girls, calls for a slap from others... Okay, this completes the digression from the thread topic  |
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