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Post by Omwenga on Oct 14, 2011 2:24:34 GMT 3
The difference between die-hard Raila supporters and die-hard anti-Railaists:
Die-hard Raila supporters never say never; they are just confident Raila will be elected president come next general elections.
Die-hard anti-Railaists say Raila will never be elected president.
Die-hard Raila supporters give well reasoned reasons and facts why they believe Raila will be elected next president.
Die-hard anti-Railaists have never given any reason why they say Raila will never be elected.
Die-hard Raila supporters believe a united Kenya is desirable under any experienced and better qualified presidential candidate.
Die-hard anti-Railaists prefer a divided Kenya headed by a mediocre, inexperienced or unqualified person, if that’s the only way to stop Raila from becoming president
Die-hard Raila supporters appreciate the sacrifices Raila has made for the sake of the country and his reformist agenda.
Die-hard anti-Railaists believe Raila has not suffered enough.
Die-hard Raila supporters appreciate Raila’s efforts to defeat the 2005 draft constitution, which was Choice # 1 for anti-reformists.
Die-hard anti-Railaists would have prefered the 2005 draft or no new constitution at all, if attaining one meant credit to Raila.
Die-hard Raila supporters appreciate the the work Raila has done and continues to do for the benefit of the country.
Die-hard anti-Railaists do not appreciate anything Raila has done for the country, even as Prime Minister.
Die-hard Raila supporters, for example, appreciate what Raila did to save the Mau forest.
Die-hard anti-Railaist believed the Mau forest be damned, if saving it meant Raila getting credit.
Die-hard Raila supporters, for another example, appreciate the fact Raila prevented Kibaki from violating the new constitution in his attempted effort to install his cronies in important constitutional office.
Die-hard anti-Railaists could have cared less, if Kibaki’s success meant Raila’s defeat; their quest for Raila’s failure see no limits.
Die-hard Raila supporters will be happy if anyone other than Raila is elected president in a fair and transparent elections.
Die-hard anti-Railaists will be hard put to but some may, as the article below published after the elections reveals:
Dateline: Nairobi, August 27, 2012
Breaking Nairobi News
Former Prime Minister Raila Amolo Odinga was yesterday sworn as the fourth president of the Republic of Kenya in a ceremony marked with great pomp and fanfare.
Unlike five years ago when his predecessor, Mwai Kibaki was hurriedly and secretly sworn at an event witnessed only by close friends and political operatives, President Raila Odinga was sworn in broad day-light at Uhuru Park where hundreds of thousands of supporters and well-wishers thronged to witness the ceremony and reports indicate not one of them has gone home as of press time.
“This is a great day for Kenyans; we finally have a president we have all been longing for,” said Daniel Waweru, one of the happy revelers at a party following the swearing in ceremony still ongoing at the Carnival as of going to press.
In his inaugural address to the nation, Mr. Raila Odinga called on Kenyans to forget or at least forgive the past and join hands in rebuilding the country. The president noted he realized this may be difficult for some but urged all Kenyans to reach deeper and find ways to get along with each other as tribalism and negative ethnicity is now a thing of the past, given the overwhelming support he received from across the country.
Mr. Raila Odinga told Kenyans the priority of his presidency is to implement policies envisioned in the new constitution and as an example of how serious he is about this, President Raila Odinga ordered the firing of Attorney General Githu Muigai, saying his appointment was in error as he is not reform minded and he sees no value among Kenyans living in the Diaspora, who the new president believes must be incorporated in the country’s economic development.
Mr. Raila Odinga acknowledged the significance of his election as president, an office his father, Jaramogi Oginga Odinga, declined to assume in favor of the country’s first president, Jomo Kenyatta.
Mr. Raila Odinga took time to especially thank supporters from Nyeri, Kirinyaga, Murang’a and Embu counties, who showed up in large numbers to vote for him, contrary to what many analysts had predicted.
The president urged all those who did not vote for him, to now join the rest of the country in supporting him as he embarks on his mission to transform the country.
In his speech, Mr. Raila Odinga firmly rejected the idea that all politicians are corrupt and that Kenya is incapable of ridding itself of corruption, a notion that is widely believed across the country. Mr. Raila Odinga vowed to “fight corruption and impunity to total submission.”
To his opponents, Mr. Raila Odinga assured them he will not seek revenge for the many years of insults, lies and abuses they accorded him, especially in during the campaign. “I have forgiven each one of you and now ask that you join me in rebuilding our country” Mr. Odinga declared.
“I have no positions for you in my administration, however, but I would not mind if you volunteer to work in my government at any level and in any capacity,” the president added.
Reached by phone, the former MP for Eldoret North said he was happy to hear what the president had to say.
“I am not surprised by what he said,” said Ruto, “I have always known Raila to be a decent, nice and fair gentleman but I had to do what I did because I thought I could beat him,” disclosed Ruto, adding “I was wrong and I can assure you, I’ll be the first one to visit him as soon as the opportunity avails to personally tell him how sorry I am.”
The new president received well wishes from around the world. President Barack Obama called him a “true reformist” who will change the face of Kenya. Former South African President Nelson Mandela called him a “fighter” who has “once again shown, if you believe in your cause, and barring being killed, you can survive anything and live to lead.” German Chancellor, Angela Merkel said of Mr. Raila Odinga, “he is the new hope for Kenya,” and immediately announced that any qualified Kenyan students can now get free education in Germany. UK Prime Minister David Cameron said he was pleased Mr. Odinga was elected president and looks forward to continued good relations with the country, and French President Nicolas Sarkozy said he is renaming Champs Elysees “Raila Street’ for the month in celebration of Mr. Odinga’s election.
Mr. Raila Odinga’s comments regarding the outgoing administration drew some criticism, however.
The president said it was wrong for Kibaki to have stolen the presidency from him in 2007 but he thanked him for doing his best to work with him despite relentless efforts by those around the former president to stop Mr. Raila Odinga from ascending to the presidency.
But any criticism of the new president was lost in the pomp and fanfare at Uhuru Park yesterday akin to that seen in 2002 when former president Kibaki was first sworn in as president.
“Let’s hope that the Kenyans finally get what they were expecting in 2002,” said, Isaac Ruto, former MP of Chepalungu, “I wish him well and hope he has forgiven us as he said.”
Elsewhere, the most vocal and avid of anti-Railaists have gone silent but our reporter managed to find one at a rehabilitation facility sponsored by a group known as PK, “I am okay; I am okay,” said one, “I am told I would need a few more days here to completely recover from my Raila phobia,” said the man who did not want his name mentioned because he was once such a die-hard anti-Railaist, he guaranteed on a bet Raila will never be elected president.
After the inaugural ceremony, the presidential motorcade headed to the Carnival where the party is still going on as of press time.
****The foregoing is an imaginary futuristic rendition of what the writer thinks will occur. It is not intended to be taken as an event that actually occurred or will occur."
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Post by danielwaweru on Oct 14, 2011 2:48:15 GMT 3
“This is a great day for Kenyans; we finally have a president we have all been longing for,” said Daniel Waweru, one of the happy revelers at a party following the swearing in ceremony still ongoing at the Carnival as of going to press. Hasten the day  |
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Post by danielwaweru on Oct 14, 2011 3:46:11 GMT 3
In his inaugural address to the nation, Mr. Raila Odinga called on Kenyans to forget or at least forgive the past and join hands in rebuilding the country. The president noted he realized this may be difficult for some but urged all Kenyans to reach deeper and find ways to get along with each other as tribalism and negative ethnicity is now a thing of the past, given the overwhelming support he received from across the country. Unfortunately, that's terrible advice. Better: ...I follow Kenya's leading political scientist, Ali Mazrui. When, many years ago, he pondered the future of a new state and its divided past, he concluded that Renan must be reversed. Kenya not only had to have a history, it must get it right. National integration came by facing up to rather than forgetting past feuds. (John Lonsdale, Unhappy Valley: Conflict in Kenya and Africa, II, p. 266) |
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Post by b6k on Oct 14, 2011 8:23:55 GMT 3
Omwenga, I've read this on your blog before. Please tell me we will not see the entire contents of your blog copy-pasted here one at a time. I look forward to the day you will contribute something that does not refer to RAO. Shalom.
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Post by destiny on Oct 14, 2011 12:11:39 GMT 3
Raila has given all his best for this country including being tortured and detained by his new buddy Arap Moi. No one has fought for this great nation's second liberation more than Raila Amolo Odinga. That's one of the reasons why I voted for him way back in 2007.
However, his widespread coverage by the media and bloggers like Omwenga has been counter productive even when there's nothing newsworthy. This has burnt him out and fatigued people who have to endure his image and message being hammered down their throats every second.
But I think he's now a tired horse that deserves a rest. He needs to slow down as he was advised by his doctors after the brain surgery, he has given his all, the ultimate prize doesn't have to be the presidency. We can name the new road being constructed from Moyale to Marsabit after him. If not that, then an airport or a stadium as he packs and heads to his rural Bondo home to farm and play with his grand kids and hope he will not be mentioned too much at the ICC next time.
It's time for the younger generation to take over the reigns of this great nation. I watched Peter Kenneth being interviewed this morning on Citizen TV by Jimmy Gathu. He was saying all the right things on how to push this country forward just like he has done in his rural Gatanga constituency. He had lots of fresh ideas and passionately told how he was brought up by a single parent in Eastlands of Nairobi. I will try and upload that tape as soon as it's available.
We must listen to this younger voices coming up who are not tainted with corruption or blood of innocent Kenyans that was spilled in 2008. Let's give the likes of Tuju, Martha, Wamalwa etc an ear and listen to what they have to say instead of dismissing them outright even before they open their mouths simply because they come from the other tribe.
As Kibaki exits the stage having left us in economic shambles, we must look for that person who will pull us from the ditch we are stuck in. Tribalism is rampant, corruption has ruined us, unemployment is high and Kenyans are very angry and rightly so. This is the time to choose carefully someone with guts, energy and fresh breath.
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 14, 2011 12:48:57 GMT 3
Omwenga, I've read this on your blog before. Please tell me we will not see the entire contents of your blog copy-pasted here one at a time. I look forward to the day you will contribute something that does not refer to RAO. Shalom. Many people find it hard to believe, but I never know what I am going to blog about on any given day or time and neither do I have any plan on what I'll do in the future other than as it relates to my personal and business affairs. So, if on any given day I decide to share what I have written in the past that for some reason I deem is relevant that day, that's what I'll do. I appreciate you have visited my blog in the past and hopefully you continue to do so. Please note there are others who have not done so and thus the reason I share in this and other blogs what I have previously written when I deem it appropriate. Rest assured, however, it's not my intention to migrate the rich repository of pro and anti Raila material in my blog; there is a book in the making for that. |
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 14, 2011 13:52:01 GMT 3
...That's one of the reasons why I voted for him way back in 2007. However, his widespread coverage by the media and bloggers like Omwenga has been counter productive even when there's nothing newsworthy. This has burnt him out and fatigued people who have to endure his image and message being hammered down their throats every second. But I think he's now a tired horse that deserves a rest....We can name the new road being constructed from Moyale to Marsabit after him. It's time for the younger generation to take over the reigns of this great nation. We must listen to this younger voices coming up who are not tainted with corruption or blood of innocent Kenyans that was spilled in 2008. As Kibaki exits the stage having left us in economic shambles, we must look for that person who will pull us from the ditch we are stuck in. , First, what you have said about Raila and media coverage is overstated and in some ways can be rightly interpreted to be an effort to gag the public from discussing Raila. There is no such a thing as a politician being burnt out or overexposure of a politician's image or message in politics; not in Kenya; not in Africa; not here in the US; and, indeed, nowhere in the world. If you are talking about being inundated with meaningless blather, lies and distortions by a politician, then you are absolutely right after the first dozen of it or so, people will get tired and fatigued with it. Second, when you say Raila is a "tired horse" that needs to be retired to Bondo and have roads and airports named after him, you are being too simplistic, insulting and are obviously basing your conclusions on ill-advised and ill-informed theories of leadership. If you have not done so, I suggest you go to my blog omwenga.com/2011/05/19/the-minimum-qualities-attributes-and-skills-our-next-president-in-kenya-must-possess/ and study the objective criteria I have provided there one we should use in selecting our next president. While on my blog, search through and you'll find many articles I have debunked this myth being propagated by political opportunists that only younger people have the key to unlock the dearth of leadership we have had at the top. This is a fallacious notion I have fully addressed in my blog. Having said that, I would add there is nothing wrong for those who think they have it to run for president to do so, including the "young" politicians you reference. Let them do so, make their case and the country will decide. Finally, I and most Kenyans, I believe, believe Raila has what it takes to lead us from the less than mediocre country we have been to a country we can all once again be proud to be a part of and the man is hands down the best placed to do so among all those who have declared their candidacy or are thinking about it. |
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Post by cheshirecat on Oct 14, 2011 14:47:19 GMT 3
The difference between die-hard Raila supporters and die-hard anti-Railaists: Die-hard Raila supporters never say never; they are just confident Raila will be elected president come next general elections. Die-hard anti-Railaists say Raila will never be elected president. Die-hard Raila supporters give well reasoned reasons and facts why they believe Raila will be elected next president. Die-hard anti-Railaists have never given any reason why they say Raila will never be elected. Die-hard Raila supporters believe a united Kenya is desirable under any experienced and better qualified presidential candidate. Die-hard anti-Railaists prefer a divided Kenya headed by a mediocre, inexperienced or unqualified person, if that’s the only way to stop Raila from becoming president Die-hard Raila supporters appreciate the sacrifices Raila has made for the sake of the country and his reformist agenda. Die-hard anti-Railaists believe Raila has not suffered enough. Die-hard Raila supporters appreciate Raila’s efforts to defeat the 2005 draft constitution, which was Choice # 1 for anti-reformists. Die-hard anti-Railaists would have prefered the 2005 draft or no new constitution at all, if attaining one meant credit to Raila. Die-hard Raila supporters appreciate the the work Raila has done and continues to do for the benefit of the country. Die-hard anti-Railaists do not appreciate anything Raila has done for the country, even as Prime Minister. Die-hard Raila supporters, for example, appreciate what Raila did to save the Mau forest. Die-hard anti-Railaist believed the Mau forest be damned, if saving it meant Raila getting credit. Die-hard Raila supporters, for another example, appreciate the fact Raila prevented Kibaki from violating the new constitution in his attempted effort to install his cronies in important constitutional office. Die-hard anti-Railaists could have cared less, if Kibaki’s success meant Raila’s defeat; their quest for Raila’s failure see no limits. Die-hard Raila supporters will be happy if anyone other than Raila is elected president in a fair and transparent elections. Die-hard anti-Railaists will be hard put to but some may, as the article below published after the elections reveals: Dateline: Nairobi, August 27, 2012 Breaking Nairobi News Former Prime Minister Raila Amolo Odinga was yesterday sworn as the fourth president of the Republic of Kenya in a ceremony marked with great pomp and fanfare. Unlike five years ago when his predecessor, Mwai Kibaki was hurriedly and secretly sworn at an event witnessed only by close friends and political operatives, President Raila Odinga was sworn in broad day-light at Uhuru Park where hundreds of thousands of supporters and well-wishers thronged to witness the ceremony and reports indicate not one of them has gone home as of press time. “This is a great day for Kenyans; we finally have a president we have all been longing for,” said Daniel Waweru, one of the happy revelers at a party following the swearing in ceremony still ongoing at the Carnival as of going to press. In his inaugural address to the nation, Mr. Raila Odinga called on Kenyans to forget or at least forgive the past and join hands in rebuilding the country. The president noted he realized this may be difficult for some but urged all Kenyans to reach deeper and find ways to get along with each other as tribalism and negative ethnicity is now a thing of the past, given the overwhelming support he received from across the country. Mr. Raila Odinga told Kenyans the priority of his presidency is to implement policies envisioned in the new constitution and as an example of how serious he is about this, President Raila Odinga ordered the firing of Attorney General Githu Muigai, saying his appointment was in error as he is not reform minded and he sees no value among Kenyans living in the Diaspora, who the new president believes must be incorporated in the country’s economic development. Mr. Raila Odinga acknowledged the significance of his election as president, an office his father, Jaramogi Oginga Odinga, declined to assume in favor of the country’s first president, Jomo Kenyatta. Mr. Raila Odinga took time to especially thank supporters from Nyeri, Kirinyaga, Murang’a and Embu counties, who showed up in large numbers to vote for him, contrary to what many analysts had predicted. The president urged all those who did not vote for him, to now join the rest of the country in supporting him as he embarks on his mission to transform the country. In his speech, Mr. Raila Odinga firmly rejected the idea that all politicians are corrupt and that Kenya is incapable of ridding itself of corruption, a notion that is widely believed across the country. Mr. Raila Odinga vowed to “fight corruption and impunity to total submission.” To his opponents, Mr. Raila Odinga assured them he will not seek revenge for the many years of insults, lies and abuses they accorded him, especially in during the campaign. “I have forgiven each one of you and now ask that you join me in rebuilding our country” Mr. Odinga declared. “I have no positions for you in my administration, however, but I would not mind if you volunteer to work in my government at any level and in any capacity,” the president added. Reached by phone, the former MP for Eldoret North said he was happy to hear what the president had to say. “I am not surprised by what he said,” said Ruto, “I have always known Raila to be a decent, nice and fair gentleman but I had to do what I did because I thought I could beat him,” disclosed Ruto, adding “I was wrong and I can assure you, I’ll be the first one to visit him as soon as the opportunity avails to personally tell him how sorry I am.” The new president received well wishes from around the world. President Barack Obama called him a “true reformist” who will change the face of Kenya. Former South African President Nelson Mandela called him a “fighter” who has “once again shown, if you believe in your cause, and barring being killed, you can survive anything and live to lead.” German Chancellor, Angela Merkel said of Mr. Raila Odinga, “he is the new hope for Kenya,” and immediately announced that any qualified Kenyan students can now get free education in Germany. UK Prime Minister David Cameron said he was pleased Mr. Odinga was elected president and looks forward to continued good relations with the country, and French President Nicolas Sarkozy said he is renaming Champs Elysees “Raila Street’ for the month in celebration of Mr. Odinga’s election. Mr. Raila Odinga’s comments regarding the outgoing administration drew some criticism, however. The president said it was wrong for Kibaki to have stolen the presidency from him in 2007 but he thanked him for doing his best to work with him despite relentless efforts by those around the former president to stop Mr. Raila Odinga from ascending to the presidency. But any criticism of the new president was lost in the pomp and fanfare at Uhuru Park yesterday akin to that seen in 2002 when former president Kibaki was first sworn in as president. “Let’s hope that the Kenyans finally get what they were expecting in 2002,” said, Isaac Ruto, former MP of Chepalungu, “I wish him well and hope he has forgiven us as he said.” Elsewhere, the most vocal and avid of anti-Railaists have gone silent but our reporter managed to find one at a rehabilitation facility sponsored by a group known as PK, “I am okay; I am okay,” said one, “I am told I would need a few more days here to completely recover from my Raila phobia,” said the man who did not want his name mentioned because he was once such a die-hard anti-Railaist, he guaranteed on a bet Raila will never be elected president. After the inaugural ceremony, the presidential motorcade headed to the Carnival where the party is still going on as of press time. ****The foregoing is an imaginary futuristic rendition of what the writer thinks will occur. It is not intended to be taken as an event that actually occurred or will occur." so sad. |
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Post by b6k on Oct 14, 2011 16:16:10 GMT 3
Destiny, I hear you & concur. '07 Raila was the man. 2012, let's try something new (although the polls today have him at 41%). I also watched Kenneth in the morning & I'm inclined to drop my "no candidate from Central in 2012" for this man. If he can get the right running mate he may just be what we need to go to the next level.
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Post by b6k on Oct 14, 2011 16:17:48 GMT 3
Omwenga, asante. You write well, bro. Expand you're repertoire & all will be well.
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Post by destiny on Oct 14, 2011 16:58:19 GMT 3
OmwengaIt can be risky to be over exposed (too much publicity) in politics Bwana Omwenga. You risk boring people to death and that's why the local press quit bombarding us with Raila headlines kila siku. They realized people (like me) got put off and stopped buying the papers due this "in your face" approach to issues in the news. Now they only place him in the headlines when it really matters like in that case when a "fake" grenade was found in his office compound. People also don't laugh as much in his rallies unlike before when he tell those vitendawili jokes which have become rather stale. It's time to change the strategy and rightly so. I'm not sure how many years you have been abroad to an extent of blasting our media and accusing it of being anti-Raila. To it's credit, Kenyan media has been said to be the most vibrant and independent in Africa and I totally concur with that although it can still do much better. The raid on Standard by Michuki and the recent break in at Nairobi Law Monthly offices shows we still have a few remnants stuck in stone age who have something to fear. Concerning the risks of too much publicity by the media which I had written about before, kindly check the link below. It does exist even in US and can drive people sick and tired. Just like sailors become "seasick" due to long periods sailing across the oceans. you don't have to hog the limelight everyday to make your presence felt. sometimes it's good to be missed kidogo! www.usnews.com/news/obama/articles/2009/04/02/for-obama-the-risk-of--too-much-exposure
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Post by nowayhaha on Oct 14, 2011 17:33:00 GMT 3
Destiny, I hear you & concur. '07 Raila was the man. 2012, let's try something new (although the polls today have him at 41%). I also watched Kenneth in the morning & I'm inclined to drop my "no candidate from Central in 2012" for this man. If he can get the right running mate he may just be what we need to go to the next level. Peter Kenneth has been running away and selling his presidential aspirations with the" myth" of his development record back in his constituency Gatanga - but truth be told in as much as Gatanga ranks up there as one of the best constituency with a well managed C.D.F. kitty It is one of the most underdeveloped constituency with poverty ranking high , youth being undereducated and jobless thus resulting to alcoholism which is a real cancer in the constituency not to mention almost 80 % of constituents live without electricity and tapped water . Once the campaign trail starts- the truth will come out . Peter Kenneth even at moment if he decides to run for Gatanga Parliamentary sit wont be able to reclaim the sit. In as much as Gatanga has been placed in the former Muranga County .It is well known to be in Thika the backyard of Uhuru Kenyatta . |
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Post by destiny on Oct 14, 2011 18:33:36 GMT 3
nowayhahaPlease stop hating just coz you don't like the man. I have personally been to Gatanga several times. It's not paradise and it's true the place has many problems just like many other rural constituencies. But these guys seem to have made the best use of their CDF more than any other place. In fact, many CDF committee members across Kenya usually drive to that place for a lesson or two on how to best manage the kitty. And I never saw a single pot hole, not one, when I was there! I saw beautiful green rolling hills covered with coffee and other cash crops like tea. I met many Kenyans from as far as Western and even Chaggas from TZ working in those farms and local markets. So if those "jobless" young men want to waste away drinking "Yokozuna" in local shabeens instead of taking up available job slots, why blame the MP? Get a grip!
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 14, 2011 20:57:54 GMT 3
: “I am told I would need a few more days here to completely recover from my Raila phobia,” said the man who did not want his name mentioned because he was once such a die-hard anti-Railaist, he guaranteed on a bet Raila will never be elected president. After the inaugural ceremony, the presidential motorcade headed to the Carnival where the party is still going on as of press time. ****The foregoing is an imaginary futuristic rendition of what the writer thinks will occur. It is not intended to be taken as an event that actually occurred or will occur." , Fiction is a free for all, so for the sake of it write me another one of them bulletins based on the following fictional report. That Nashonha Nganje Njogero, a Jaluos from Ngoro, became Kenya's first suicide bomber and blew the fresh president and his entourage to bits at the ahangla packed venue. |
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 14, 2011 22:54:10 GMT 3
: “I am told I would need a few more days here to completely recover from my Raila phobia,” said the man who did not want his name mentioned because he was once such a die-hard anti-Railaist, he guaranteed on a bet Raila will never be elected president. After the inaugural ceremony, the presidential motorcade headed to the Carnival where the party is still going on as of press time. ****The foregoing is an imaginary futuristic rendition of what the writer thinks will occur. It is not intended to be taken as an event that actually occurred or will occur." , Fiction is a free for all, so for the sake of it write me another one of them bulletins based on the following fictional report. That Nashonha Nganje Njogero, a Jaluos from Ngoro, became Kenya's first suicide bomber and blew the fresh president and his entourage to bits at the ahangla packed venue. , Had you said what you have said here in not the too distant past, you'll have been hunted down and summarily executed with no questions asked. Thanks to Raila and other reformists who have been fighting to liberate Kenyans for decades and have paid dearly, while doing so, we now have more freedom to express ourselves but, as I and others have cautioned elsewhere, this freedom is not unlimited. We have a fully commissioned government agency whose sole responsibility is to ensure people expressing views akin to what you have here, are at least checked out or held responsible as necessary. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 15, 2011 15:18:48 GMT 3
Had you said what you have said here in not the too distant past, you'll have been hunted down and summarily executed with no questions asked. Thanks to Raila and other reformists who have been fighting to liberate Kenyans for decades and have paid dearly, while doing so, we now have more freedom to express ourselves but, as I and others have cautioned elsewhere, this freedom is not unlimited. We have a fully commissioned government agency whose sole responsibility is to ensure people expressing views akin to what you have here, are at least checked out or held responsible as necessary. Looks like my fiction has short-circuited your thinking! You nolonger can differenciate what fiction is, from...! [you are saying am expressing a view]. Aha, this is why most African writers had to run away from Africa to be published abroad! Their fiction was so hot; at one point the special branch in Kenya were looking for a character out of a book by Ngugi wa Thiong'o.Up your mental gears Omwenga, In fiction I will write what I want! Check the parental guide before you read!! |
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 16, 2011 0:01:10 GMT 3
We have a fully commissioned government agency whose sole responsibility is to ensure people expressing views akin to what you have here, are at least checked out or held responsible as necessary. Looks like my fiction has short-circuited your thinking! You nolonger can differenciate what fiction is, from...! [you are saying am expressing a view]. Aha, this is why most African writers had to run away from Africa to be published abroad! Their fiction was so hot; at one point the special branch in Kenya were looking for a character out of a book by Ngugi wa Thiong'o.Up your mental gears Omwenga, In fiction I will write what I want! Check the parental guide before you read!! , There is a stark difference like day and night between political satire, parody or spoof such as as the one I shared in this thread and what you wrote. If you don't know the difference, I suggest you find out and keep the boundaries before someone else does it for you when it's too late. FYI, please do not compare what you wrote to what African literary writers of yore wrote; the difference there, too, is like day and night. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 16, 2011 13:23:41 GMT 3
[time=1318681128] jakaswanga, There is a stark difference like day and night between political satire, parody or spoof such as as the one I shared in this thread and what you wrote. If you don't know the difference, I suggest you find out and keep the boundaries before someone else does it for you when it's too late. FYI, please do not compare what you wrote to what African literary writers of yore wrote; the difference there, too, is like day and night. O dear, where do we go from here? I do not want this to turn into a running argument like the one between Gay-Lussac and John Dalton, the one about molecules and atoms, which worked out to be much ado about nothing. Do not confuse yourself too much. Keep it easy but orderly by first categorising writing into two. Fiction and non Fiction. [So, what are we dealing with above there? Answer: Fiction. Genre or Subsector: Futuristic fiction. [and will keep on subdividing: science, political, medical....] Parody, satire... are but devices; artistic or literary instruments that can be used in all forms of writings ***. But when the writing is specialised in them, they constitute a sub-genre. Eg. A lot of drama-plays are specifically satire. ***Satire and and parody are very powerful ridicule instruments in essays of an ongoing polemic  . ------------- And as far as futuristic political fiction goes, whether in the artistic form of novel, film, or drama, I find the plot of first Luo suicide bomber blowing up the first Luo president a spell-binding first chapter! In legend it would rank with the blood-curdling dispute between Opir and Dipir, The Esau and Jacob story of Luo conciousness. I surely cannot be the only guy who has heard of Hollywood! |
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 16, 2011 14:22:02 GMT 3
[time=1318681128] jakaswanga, There is a stark difference like day and night between political satire, parody or spoof such as as the one I shared in this thread and what you wrote. If you don't know the difference, I suggest you find out and keep the boundaries before someone else does it for you when it's too late. FYI, please do not compare what you wrote to what African literary writers of yore wrote; the difference there, too, is like day and night. Parody, satire... are but devices; artistic or literary instruments that can be used in all forms of writings ***. But when the writing is specialised in them, they constitute a sub-genre. Eg. A lot of drama-plays are specifically satire. ***Satire and and parody are very powerful ridicule instruments in essays of an ongoing polemic . ------------- And as far as futuristic political fiction goes, whether in the artistic form of novel, film, or drama, I find the plot of first Luo suicide bomber blowing up the first Luo president a spell-binding first chapter! In legend it would rank with the blood-curdling dispute between Opir and Dipir, The Esau and Jacob story of Luo conciousness. I surely cannot be the only guy who has heard of Hollywood! , This is the last thing I am going to say about this and let me use an analogy for that. There is a full-time squad of FBI and Secret Service agents who investigate threats against Obama and other US presidents before him and even though a vast majority turn out to be innocent, or people truly believing they are engaged in literary discourse but use the triggering words or language, the wiser counsel is to avoid use of language that brings one to their attention. Sometimes it takes a Grand Jury to clear some of these individuals, some even longer while others are outright tried and convicted of all sorts of crimes, sometimes not even related to the initial investigation. Again, my counsel is, avoid the use of language that may bring you to the attention of NCIC. Futuristic plot of a fiction or not, your language can easily be investigated for incitement or hate speech. That's all I am telling you, nothing more, nothing less. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 16, 2011 23:13:51 GMT 3
Sawa, omwenga, the thread has ran far off course!
It is too late, I was a guest of Moi's special branch for some 9 months in one of his cellars. They did not give me the impression they are worth consedering in an academic argument. Just thugs ready to circumcise one with a broken bottle!
Unfortunately I am nolonger a lecturer, otherwise even as you sign off this argument, I would have taken it to the departments of Literature and philosophy and enjoyed some good minds feasting upon it for further enlightenment.
Adios!
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Post by Omwenga on Oct 17, 2011 0:51:56 GMT 3
Sawa, omwenga, the thread has ran far off course! It is too late, I was a guest of Moi's special branch for some 9 months in one of his cellars. They did not give me the impression they are worth consedering in an academic argument. Just thugs ready to circumcise one with a broken bottle! Unfortunately I am nolonger a lecturer, otherwise even as you sign off this argument, I would have taken it to the departments of Literature and philosophy and enjoyed some good minds feasting upon it for further enlightenment. Adios! , I am lifting my own ban not to say much more about this topic because of what you have just said here. First, I am sorry if you were a Moi detainee. Second, it surprises me you would say what you did if, indeed, you were a Moi detainee and I say that as staunch a supporter of freedom of speech as you can find. Third, just as there is and must be limitation on freedom of speech, there also must be a corresponding limitation in artistic expression and, again, I say that as one who enjoys and supports the fullest expression of speech. Finally, for what it's worth, I once in early 2000 had occasion to represent a client here in the US in a legal matter at the request of his father, a former Moi detainee. Upon successful conclusion of the matter, I sent a greatly discounted bill, given the father was a detainee and perhaps struggling financially. Unfortunately, the bill was never paid and neither did I ever hear from the father or the son. I even doubt he'll remember who I am if I ever run into him--he is still in politics--but I soon wrote off that bill as my saying "thank you" for his struggles and detention. I strongly support Raila and other reform heroes and heroines, especially who greatly sacrificed in the loss of their freedom and other suffering for the same reason, namely, in part appreciation of their struggles and suffering for the sake of liberty and human rights for all. I'll count his father and others who did the same before him in that category. BTW, I have in my years of practice represented clients pro bono but usually went into it knowing that would be the case but this one surprised me because I thought he took advantage of my goodwill as did others occasionally through the years until I wised up but I am not absolutely sure about that; at least I want to believe there were other extenuating circumstances. I say all this because those of us who were lucky to be out of the country and therefore not face the wrath of Moi government at its peak in ruthless brutality do empathize with those who were not as fortunate, especially those who paid dearly for their quest for the second liberation of our country. Again, this is one of the reasons I support Raila and why I would find it surprising that one who has equally suffered would wish upon anyone violence, real or imagined. |
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Post by danielwaweru on Oct 17, 2011 1:09:56 GMT 3
Again, this is one of the reasons I support Raila and why I would find it surprising that one who has equally suffered would wish upon anyone violence, real or imagined. You're a lawyer, so you might appreciate the example of Eric Griffiths-Jones. He was the A-G who presided over some of the worst Mau Mau abuse, and went to great lengths to cover it up, and yet he had himself been tortured in a Japanese POW camp during WWII. |
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