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Post by 50cents on Jan 24, 2008 1:39:56 GMT 3
Kibaki 'stole' Kenyan election through vote-rigging and fraudBy Steve Bloomfield in Nairobi Wednesday, 23 January 2008 Systematic electoral fraud including vote-rigging in a third of all constituencies, stuffed ballot boxes and election officials changing results had a decisive impact on the outcome of the Kenyan elections, an investigation by The Independent can reveal. In 88 of the 210 constituencies, turnout was at least 1,000 votes higher in the presidential election than in the parliamentary poll conducted at the same time. This amounted to a total of 380,944 votes, considerably more than President Mwai Kibaki's winning margin of 231,728. Even when suspect voting practices in opposition candidate Raila Odinga's strongholds are accounted for, the extra votes for Mr Kibaki total about 350,000. Violence, sparked by the disputed election results, has raged for almost a month and yesterday the former UN secretary general Kofi Annan flew into Nairobi – the latest in a line of African statesman to get Mr Kibaki and Mr Odingato sit down together and try to find a way to resolve the crisis. According to election observers, ballot boxes were stuffed by both sides. In one constituency, Mr Odinga won 100.5 per cent of valid votes. In Maragwa, a constituency with near-total support for Mr Kibaki, turnout was 115 per cent. When the result was queried the returning officer was allowed to reduce the turnout to a more acceptable figure. Under Kenyan election law votes from that constituency should have been excluded. Observers also reported that counts were changed by returning officers in local polling centres, as well as staff at the National Electoral Commission in Nairobi, largely to favour the incumbent bidding for re-election. Koki Muli, a senior Kenyan observer, said: "They added 5,000, 10,000, 15,000 – whatever they wanted. It was bizarre. We had results which were quite outrageous." In some constituencies the total announced for Mr Kibaki at electoral headquarters in Nairobi was higher than that announced at regional tallying centres in the presence of foreign observers. An additional 25,116 votes were added in Molo and 17,677 in Kieni. In North Imenti, Mr Kibaki won 78,684 votes, but official ECK results gave him an extra 5,324. In a handful of constituencies where Mr Odinga was strong, the results were reduced by election commission officials in Nairobi. In Changamwe, Mr Odinga won 28,340 votes to Mr Kibaki's 14,813. However, the official result announced at the election headquarters put Mr Odinga on 17,706 and Mr Kibaki on 9,366, reducing Mr Odinga's lead by 5,187. Mr Odinga had been leading by more than one million votes after the first day of counting following the 27 December ballot, but after days two and three the gap narrowed as results came in from constituencies where Mr Kibaki's support was strong. Mr Kibaki was declared the winner amid scenes of chaos on 30 December, although later the head of the electoral commission said he had been pressured by members of the ruling Party of National Unity (PNU) and could not be sure who had won. The breakdown of votes raises questions about what went on in those crucial three days between polls closing and the result being announced. On 29 December, Mr Odinga was narrowly ahead with just 21 constituencies left to be counted. The official Electoral Commission results from those constituencies would have given Kibaki a lead of 40,000, less than a fifth of his eventual winning margin. According to several people with knowledge of the events, senior PNU officials began to worry after the count in Nairobi's Kamukunji constituency was cancelled because of allegations about extra ballot papers. Observers say that PNU officials, realising it would have been impossible to announce Mr Kibaki's victory by 40,000 votes while Kamukunji's 119,000 votes had been declared void, worked with Electoral Commission staff and changed results in other constituencies, to give Mr Kibaki a bigger margin of victory. The government spokesman, Alfred Mutua, dismissed the numbers as propaganda: "Let an independent body go through the evidence, separate the wheat from the chaff." www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/kibaki-stole-kenyan-election-through-voterigging-and-fraud-772349.html
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jan 24, 2008 3:19:18 GMT 3
50c And he tells M7 that he cant "share power with killers!!"
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Post by nereah on Mar 2, 2011 11:42:19 GMT 3
kamale, i allow me to indulge you here--away from the wikileak thread where you made the false assertion i quote above. i beg jukwaa membership, 1441 in total, that we do justice to this issue once and for all. what our 50 cents illustrate above is something that is common knowledge and has been in the jukwaa domain even since our very own onyango oloo ;D busted kibaki and pnu.(also see below) kamale is excited that americans are holding on to kivuitu's assertion that " its is impossible to know who won election" as proof positive that kibaki did not steal election. hallo?i think the good old south african judge came,saw and said as much. maybe it is my small mind giving me away but i would imagine that the fact that both kivuitu and judge kriggler( hope i get the name right) could not scientifically ascertain who won the election is proof positive that kibaki is in office illegally. jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1697jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1657
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Post by kamalet on Mar 2, 2011 12:00:00 GMT 3
kamale, i allow me to indulge you here--away from the wikileak thread where you made the false assertion i quote above. i beg jukwaa membership, 1441 in total, that we do justice to this issue once and for all. what our 50 cents illustrate above is something that is common knowledge and has been in the jukwaa domain even since our very own onyango oloo ;D busted kibaki and pnu.(also see below) kamale is excited that americans are holding on to kivuitu's assertion that " its is impossible to know who won election" as proof positive that kibaki did not steal election. hallo?i think the good old south african judge came,saw and said as much. maybe it is my small mind giving me away but i would imagine that the fact that both kivuitu and judge kriggler( hope i get the name right) could not scientifically ascertain who won the election is proof positive that kibaki is in office illegally. jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1697jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1657 Nereah I can see and smell revisionism! Look at the wikileaks reports on the mathematics by the Americans, and it should debunk this oft repeated lie that Raila had won the election and it was stolen from him. In fact the Americans have more scenarios of Kibaki winning the election than they have of Raila having won it!
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Post by nereah on Mar 2, 2011 12:07:53 GMT 3
before we gets to the nuts and bolts of this, this analogy may help stir your mind.
as a budding elder, you are presented with a case of pregnancy whose parentage is in dispute. two men are laying claim to the parentage of a child.
the wife snatcher who has conned his way to the woman's heart stupidly says he knows for sure that he is the father of the boy in question because kamale led court of elders have ruled that they cannot know for sure who impregnated the captive wife.chances are that kamale is biased,has been compromised or worse still has undeclared interest(hope to share the spoils)
more later
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Post by mzee on Mar 2, 2011 12:14:26 GMT 3
before we gets to the nuts and bolts of this, this analogy may help stir your mind. as a budding elder, you are presented with a case of pregnancy whose parentage is in dispute. two men are laying claim to the parentage of a child. the wife snatcher who has conned his way to the woman's heart stupidly says he knows for sure that he is the father of the boy in question because kamale led court of elders have ruled that they cannot know for sure who impregnated the captive wife.chances are that kamale is biased,has been compromised or worse still has undeclared interest(hope to share the spoils) more later PM, Once a thief, twice a thief and a hundred times a thief. Yes, he stole but his guys are saying that it was a small thing. They are forgetting the lives that were lost. It’s impossible for Kibaki to have won the presidential vote while losing in all provinces except central. Just do the math and you will smoke this thief out.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 2, 2011 12:27:54 GMT 3
before we gets to the nuts and bolts of this, this analogy may help stir your mind. as a budding elder, you are presented with a case of pregnancy whose parentage is in dispute. two men are laying claim to the parentage of a child. the wife snatcher who has conned his way to the woman's heart stupidly says he knows for sure that he is the father of the boy in question because kamale led court of elders have ruled that they cannot know for sure who impregnated the captive wife.chances are that kamale is biased,has been compromised or worse still has undeclared interest(hope to share the spoils) more later Nice try - A good council of elders in such a case await the birth of the child as that gives a better indication of who could possibly be the father! It is called puting the result to test...! I await what more you have for moi!
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Post by nereah on Mar 2, 2011 12:37:40 GMT 3
kamale,
as steve says above and this is not in dispute, there was systematic fraud in the 2007 election.we are talking about contested legitimacy and kibaki's moral authority.
maybe this would help you out of denial: why did mzee kibaki and pnu who are clearly uncomfortable with the current power-sharing arrangement if they indeed won fare and square?
wish i had time but have to go.see you all on thursday march 24, 00200 hrs,east african time. dont loose sight on ocampo ;D
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Post by kamalet on Mar 2, 2011 13:23:08 GMT 3
kamale, as steve says above and this is not in dispute, there was systematic fraud in the 2007 election.we are talking about contested legitimacy and kibaki's moral authority. maybe this would help you out of denial: why did mzee kibaki and pnu who are clearly uncomfortable with the current power-sharing arrangement if they indeed won fare and square? wish i had time but have to go.see you all on thursday march 24, 00200 hrs,east african time. dont loose sight on ocampo ;D Nereah If we have moved from the lie someone won and the other did not and are just debating morality issues, this helps close that door and opens the right one for debate!
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 2, 2011 14:40:58 GMT 3
This is just but propaganda at its best Mara In 2002 Kibaki was given the presidency on silver platter by Raila . Then come 2007 Kibaki "stole " the election . I wonder what Railas propaganda machinery will come up with in 2012.
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 2, 2011 15:00:11 GMT 3
Folks,
At least that Bloomfield guy gave very specific facts on why he came to the conclusion that Kibaki stole the elections outright. Remember this story was written in 2008 when things were real hot. Mr. Bloomfield has given the number of constituencies where outright theft of elections took place. He cites 88 constituencies where the theft took place. He has given the net effect of those vote thefts. In fact the writer has offset what he said there were stuffing of votes in ODM areas and says the net effect gives Kibaki about 340,000 votes which is more than his "winning" margin.
Now what I see here is that instead of the Kibaki people addressing those facts they simply come and repeat their opinions which we have heard for three years. They seem to think all they need to do is to repeat lies to support Kibaki and that will do it. Guess what in as much as you may be entitled to your opinions you are sure not entitled to your own facts. Argue with what has been presented and tell us how it is false if that is possible.
The man has given the break down and how Kibaki closed 1 million deficit with just a few constituencies left.
And the Wikileaks Kamale is talking about came with an interesting piece posted by tnk, on how people like Mr. Kihara Muttu (Kibaki's personal lawyer who was ECK vice Chair), Mr. Tumwa and other commissioners were being given money at KICC to alter the results. So was Raila giving Kihara and co money? Go figure.
Listen, Kenyans know what happened and the more the facts come out the better. Who knows, some of these people may be held accountable. ICC is coming along and everything may very well be on the table. But let's deal with the facts.
adongo
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Post by kamalet on Mar 2, 2011 15:54:39 GMT 3
Folks,At least that Bloomfield guy gave very specific facts on why he came to the conclusion that Kibaki stole the elections outright. Remember this story was written in 2008 when things were real hot. Mr. Bloomfield has given the number of constituencies where outright theft of elections took place. He cites 88 constituencies where the theft took place. He has given the net effect of those vote thefts. In fact the writer has offset what he said there were stuffing of votes in ODM areas and says the net effect gives Kibaki about 340,000 votes which is more than his "winning" margin. Now what I see here is that instead of the Kibaki people addressing those facts they simply come and repeat their opinions which we have heard for three years. They seem to think all they need to do is to repeat lies to support Kibaki and that will do it. Guess what in as much as you may be entitled to your opinions you are sure not entitled to your own facts. Argue with what has been presented and tell us how it is false if that is possible. The man has given the break down and how Kibaki closed 1 million deficit with just a few constituencies left. And the Wikileaks Kamale is talking about came with an interesting piece posted by tnk, on how people like Mr. Muttu Kihara (Kibaki's personal lawyer who was ECK vice Chair), Mr. Tumwa and other commissioners were being given money at KICC to later the results. So was Raila giving Kihara and co money? Go figure. Listen Kenyans know what happened and the more the facts come out the better. Who knows, some of these people may be held accountable. ICC is coming along and everything may very well be on the table. But let's deal with the facts. adongo Adongo, Unfortunately for Bloomfield, all he did was take in rumours circulating in mzungu bars and filed the story which was in keeping with the propaganda by the ODM machine then. I notice you completely ignore the effort by the analysts at the embassy who at least tried to look for scenarios on whether Kibaki or Raila won. This information was certainly very important in the subsequent engagement by Rice and Obama where their reactions were in deep contrast to the American reaction to the situation in Ivory Coast where our PM failed to help!
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 2, 2011 16:01:21 GMT 3
Folks,At least that Bloomfield guy gave very specific facts on why he came to the conclusion that Kibaki stole the elections outright. Remember this story was written in 2008 when things were real hot. Mr. Bloomfield has given the number of constituencies where outright theft of elections took place. He cites 88 constituencies where the theft took place. He has given the net effect of those vote thefts. In fact the writer has offset what he said there were stuffing of votes in ODM areas and says the net effect gives Kibaki about 340,000 votes which is more than his "winning" margin. Now what I see here is that instead of the Kibaki people addressing those facts they simply come and repeat their opinions which we have heard for three years. They seem to think all they need to do is to repeat lies to support Kibaki and that will do it. Guess what in as much as you may be entitled to your opinions you are sure not entitled to your own facts. Argue with what has been presented and tell us how it is false if that is possible. The man has given the break down and how Kibaki closed 1 million deficit with just a few constituencies left. And the Wikileaks Kamale is talking about came with an interesting piece posted by tnk, on how people like Mr. Muttu Kihara (Kibaki's personal lawyer who was ECK vice Chair), Mr. Tumwa and other commissioners were being given money at KICC to later the results. So was Raila giving Kihara and co money? Go figure. Listen Kenyans know what happened and the more the facts come out the better. Who knows, some of these people may be held accountable. ICC is coming along and everything may very well be on the table. But let's deal with the facts. adongo Adongo, Unfortunately for Bloomfield, all he did was take in rumours circulating in mzungu bars and filed the story which was in keeping with the propaganda by the ODM machine then. I notice you completely ignore the effort by the analysts at the embassy who at least tried to look for scenarios on whether Kibaki or Raila won. This information was certainly very important in the subsequent engagement by Rice and Obama where their reactions were in deep contrast to the American reaction to the situation in Ivory Coast where our PM failed to help! Kamale,People are not dumb. This guys has talked about figures and numbers, that doesn't strike me as romours in "mzungu bars". But feel free to provide your own rumours from "mwafrica" bars. Usually they don;t have figures and numbers or do they? Let's not give "mazungu" bars so much credit. That makes our bars look terrible. Do you mean we can't even do rumours like these guys? No wonder Mututho is shutting them down and leaving the "mzungu" bars alone. Challenge the facts my friend.
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Post by miser on Mar 2, 2011 19:17:05 GMT 3
So all these is gospel truth....oh yeah its from a mzungu mouth! And they "run" the figures... whatever that means!!!And with this 'hard' evidence,no one went to the court...oh we never trusted the courts...but now we do; without anything having changed in those corridors!!And we killed and injured because the elections were stolen....whose votes?I was in kenya then and still am and I never hurt a fly....why?Coz am not a criminal!!You can not defend murderers and arsonists-criminals generally- in the name of stolen elections!!!And the violence was spontaneous....my foot!!!!Commissioners were bribed...any evidence?Nope!!! Conclusion:This all rubbish!!!
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 2, 2011 19:58:50 GMT 3
So all these is gospel truth....oh yeah its from a mzungu mouth! And they "run" the figures... whatever that means!!!And with this 'hard' evidence,no one went to the court...oh we never trusted the courts...but now we do; without anything having changed in those corridors!!And we killed and injured because the elections were stolen....whose votes?I was in kenya then and still am and I never hurt a fly....why?Coz am not a criminal!!You can not defend murderers and arsonists-criminals generally- in the name of stolen elections!!!And the violence was spontaneous....my foot!!!!Commissioners were bribed...any evidence?Nope!!! Conclusion:This all rubbish!!! miser,You are coming to this debate three years late. Nobody is interested in rehearshing stuff about oh so and so killed because elections were stolen, yadah yadah. We finished with that matter and gave it to Ocampo. He now has his list of six and we all know them. They include Kibaki's own chief of staff Mr. Francis Muthaura and the then chief of police. We know who we pay those people to work for, don't we? They used the tax payer money to kill the same tax payers and they thought they wopuld get away with it. Nope! Too bad. Of course we know what they did but that is an issue they have to take with Ocampo now. People can revise history until the cows come home but the process has taken its cause and even the electoral thieves never really got what they wanted. We are where we are for a reason. Kenyans stood up to reckless electoral thieves and the rest is history. I don't think anybody is going to try doing what Kibaki tried to pull in Dec. 2007. The country learnt its lessons. The hard way. What we have on this thread is a person, I don't know why the colour of his skin is an issue to some (may be that is because they do not know his tribe to insult him about), wrote a pretty good account of what happened in his view. Instead of those who think he is not telling theh truth coming up with any credible defense they are talking about "wazungus" and making no sense at all. If people have nothing to say, there is nothing wrong with doing just that, saying nothing. adongo
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 2, 2011 20:18:31 GMT 3
So all these is gospel truth....oh yeah its from a mzungu mouth! And they "run" the figures... whatever that means!!!And with this 'hard' evidence,no one went to the court...oh we never trusted the courts...but now we do; without anything having changed in those corridors!!And we killed and injured because the elections were stolen....whose votes?I was in kenya then and still am and I never hurt a fly....why?Coz am not a criminal!!You can not defend murderers and arsonists-criminals generally- in the name of stolen elections!!!And the violence was spontaneous....my foot!!!!Commissioners were bribed...any evidence?Nope!!! Conclusion:This all rubbish!!! That is how sad this whole thing was/is as designed and executed by these mzungus in cahoots with their shadowy figures in our midst. People had to kill, rape and destroy property to prove that they are electable. But guess what? The truth keeps crawling from the woods and I have never known any more harsh judgment than that of history.
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Post by miser on Mar 2, 2011 22:24:16 GMT 3
"We finished with that matter and gave it to Ocampo. He now has his list of six and we all know them...."really?Only six and you believe it!Never knew criminality could be delegated!!! And as a result of copious litres of blood we created a new seat....premiership!So violence pays!!!
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Post by job on Mar 2, 2011 23:35:32 GMT 3
"We finished with that matter and gave it to Ocampo. He now has his list of six and we all know them...."really?Only six and you believe it!Never knew criminality could be delegated!!! And as a result of copious litres of blood we created a new seat....premiership!So violence pays!!! These maiden postings of yours fantastically reveal the tone you intend to bring on this board. Welcome, (or welcome back in your disguised handle) but please come in "silowly"(sic).You're right, violence pays! It pays a lot of misery...as Muthaura, Uhuru and Ruto can today attest to you...
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 3, 2011 4:28:33 GMT 3
So all these is gospel truth....oh yeah its from a mzungu mouth! And they "run" the figures... whatever that means!!!And with this 'hard' evidence,no one went to the court...oh we never trusted the courts...but now we do; without anything having changed in those corridors!!And we killed and injured because the elections were stolen....whose votes?I was in kenya then and still am and I never hurt a fly....why?Coz am not a criminal!!You can not defend murderers and arsonists-criminals generally- in the name of stolen elections!!!And the violence was spontaneous....my foot!!!!Commissioners were bribed...any evidence?Nope!!! Conclusion:This all rubbish!!! The same bazungu also said that the Rt Hon Prime Minister was in middle the maize scandal what say you? Again we are not going to re litigate who did what and why. Thats territory already covered. We have those most responsible. Hawo wengine we shall deal with once the local courts are up and running.
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Post by sunday on Mar 3, 2011 8:31:45 GMT 3
I spent some times combing on the Wikileaks and I could not help noticing the names of these individuals with US visa bans! So far, and surprisingly, William Ruto does not feature in any of these names! Could this mean the guy is clean?(NB: Not all Nairobi cables have been released, not even 10% of them) ------ SUBJECT: KENYA: LINKING VISAS TO VIOLENCE Classified by: Ambassador Michael E. Ranneberger for reasons 1.4 (B) and (D). ¶1. (C) To follow up on recent statements by Assistant Secretary Jendayi Frazer and the Ambassador indicating that the Department will review the visa eligibility of Kenyan politicians and businessmen suspected of supporting, inciting, or perpetrating violence in Kenya, Post delivered eight letters on February 5, signed by the Ambassador, to the following individuals: -- Richard Ngatia, businessman with PNU links suspected of funding Kikuyu youth groups engaged in violence. -- Njenga Karume, former minster with PNU ties suspected of having links to the Mungiki (Kikuyu mafia) and other related criminal organizations. -- John Mututho, PNU MP for Naivasha suspected of funding Kikuyu youth engaged in ethnic violence. -- Joshua Kullei, businessman with ODM ties suspected of financing Kalenjin youth groups engaged in ethnic violence. -- Henry Kosgei, ODM MP for Tinderet suspected of supporting Kalenjin youth groups engaged in violence. -- William ole Ntimana, ODM MP for Narok North, suspected of inciting inter-ethnic violence. -- Zakayo Cheruiyuot, ODM MP for Kuresoi, suspected of inciting inter-ethnic violence. -- Kabando wa Kabando, ODM MP for Mukurweini, suspectd of organizing and inciting inter-ethnic violence. ¶2. (C) Text of the letter to the above eight individuals follows below: February 4, 2008 Dear (Name): This is to notify you that indications you may be involved in supporting, inciting, and perpetrating inter-ethnic violence in Kenya are relevant to your and your family's eligibility for U.S. visas. The U.S. Immigration and Nationality Act provides for the denial of visas to individuals for a variety of reasons. The U.S. Department of State reserves the right to make such a determination and reserves the right to suspend action on a visa application until such time that a determination of an individual's visa eligibility can be made. We request any and all information from you in writing detailing your efforts to promote an end to violence and the achievement of political and ethnic reconciliation in Kenya. Sincerely yours, Michael E. Ranneberger Ambassador ¶3. (C) Post will convey identical letters to additional individuals in Kenya as warranted. Ranneberger And some more: Mostly ECK folks who blatantly erected the "duly" elected president!
SUBJECT: KENYA: MORE VISA WARNING LETTERS SENT REF: NAIROBI 378 Classified By: A/DCM John F. Hoover for reasons 1.4 (B) and (D). ¶1. (C) Reftel reports on the February 5 conveyance of eight letters to Kenyan individuals warning the latter that indications they may be involved in supporting, inciting, and perpetrating inter-ethnic violence in Kenya are relevant to their eligibility for U.S. visas. ¶2. (C) On February 8, Post conveyed letters to an additional five individuals, as follow. Text of the letters sent was similar or identical to the text reproduced reftel. -- Kihara Muttu, Deputy Chairman, Electoral Commission of Kenya, suspected of accepting bribes to fix election results tally at ECK Headquarters. -- Jack Tumwa, Commissioner, Electoral Commission of Kenya, suspected of accepting bribes to fix election results tally at ECK Headquarters. -- Joseph Dena, Jack Tumwa, Commissioner, Electoral Commission of Kenya, suspected of accepting bribes to fix election results tally at ECK Headquarters. ( I just feel like shedding a tear when I read this! so painful that these folks would go to these heights to shred Kenya for Kibaki) -- James Viscount Kimathi, former Member of Parliament with PNU ties, suspected of having links to Mungiki (Kikuyu mafia) and other related criminal organizations. -- Musa Cherutich Sirma, former Member of Parliament with ODM ties suspected of inciting and organizing inter-ethnic violence in Rift Valley Province. RANNEBERGER Where the hell is William Ruto? ------- On this cable: DID KIBAKI REALLY STEAL THE ELECTION?, Ranneberger details how nasty things were. He point's out and correctly so, that both sides (ODM & PNU) stole elections. but he's got a very interesting conclusion: --------------------------------------------- -- Connecting Two Very Fuzzy Dots: Advantage Raila --------------------------------------------- -- ¶12. (SBU) Finally, if we combine the four estimates of stolen votes at the central level (paras 7-11) with our estimate of stuffed ballots at the local level (paras 4-5) and then subtract these grand totals from the official ECK results, the scenarios change slightly. Either Raila or Kibaki wins, depending on how the votes are apportioned. Using a conservative assumption that apportions according to the percentage of votes won in each constituency by each candidate, the margins of victory are between 30,331 and 114,130 votes. All of these scenarios assume extensive cheating on both sides. In all cases, the margin of victory for either side is slim and ultimately unknowable. +++++++ Very interesting indeed folks!
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 3, 2011 8:53:36 GMT 3
Assumes extensive VOTE cheating on both sides? How?
But what is the REALITY?
The lame duck P.O.R.K appointed his OWN bloody lawyer to oversee the fixing the election returns.
Thats where the election was stolen not at the periphery.
However much they try to draw a case or moral equivalency, it wont wash. Panua fixed and stole the elections. It is them they who controled the process.
As for the Visa bans why is jomo jnr NOT on the list? he was in the US a few months ago. I think ruto by now must be on the visa ban list.
One interesting thing emerges straight away from the names of those banned. Look at them again.
Isnt it ironical that these fellows were at each others throats in 2007, and now they have fallen under the spell of the jomo jnr/ruto hypothetical/wishful KK+/-k axis?
What do they NOW have/share in common? A primal need to survive, and in order to do that they must deflect attention from themselves and blame the Rt Hon Prime Minister for their travails.
I am glad they are feeling the heat.
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