why libya is a fake revolution

[nereah]

gaddafi and african community leaders photo courtesy

i am being reliably informed by western media that great britain and america may launch an offensive known as a coalition of the willing against the sovereign state of libya with a mission to oust gaddafi.

already usa naval warships are on the outer waters of libya while the youthful uk pm,david cameron who should know better after his predecessor blundered in iraq and afghanistan is beating the drums of war. he comes out as a man in haste and excitement about libyan" second revolution".so much so that that from the media constructs, i am forced to imagine that he is determine to by-pass un security council to enforce the no fly zone on libya under the guise of protecting the armed resistance against gaddafi's gunships.

hillary is quoted as saying, rather cheekily, that the american warships/naval troops massing oustside libya's territorial waters are merely logistical base for humanitarian effort in libya.my foot!

france has already dispatched plane loads of military cargo,said to be medical relief supplies to benghazi.

those who claim to know informs me that there is no guarantee that america and uk would have their way for military intervention in libya because russia and the good old china would veto such a move. which explains why uk and uncle sam are already in motion for a military strike,just marking time before we hear about the coalition of the willing.

david cameron.roots for 'arming libyan resistance'

one would have thought that nato would be the ideal foreign meddler in the libyan crisis but of course there is the leverage that gaddafi still holds which may muddy the waters and reduce would be key actors to mere spectators.

nereah is of the view that what is happening in libya must be allowed to run its course for the worse or better and no outside interference whatsoever as doing so would beg the dreaded question.

of course we know libya,no gaddafi, has a past but we also know that the man ronald reagan once described as a mad dog,has a way with the west.

what we must interrogate are the imperatives that makes libyan case distinct from say tunisia or yemen to warrant excitement from cameron and those who think like him.

nereah is also of the view that gaddafi is a problem of the libyan people:it is the libyans who created muamar.let the libyans sort themselves out;decide whether its the revolution that swept then 27 years old gaddafi to power that is gthe problem or its gaddafi's dictatorship?

we may also want to ask: to what extent are those defections that we are witnessing genuine? are these foreign diplomats and military officers mere opportunists or change agents? what is their raison d'etre; ideological underpinning? are they fed up with gaddafi or the "revolution"

i am amused to hear some western diplomats vouch for a swift resolution of the libyan crisis as a matter of concern and interest.meaning they want gaddafi to go and a new regime installed.

cameron,according to my informant at the uk gaurdian newspaper, is even planning to arm the libyan resistance to redress the asymmetry in the warfare!

the argument goes that prolonged conflict in libya is inimical to economic interest of foreign nations and the quicker it is resolved the better.but then you and i know that the black gold which gaddafi has used whimsically for the worst and more often than not for the common good of his constituency which traverses sub-sahara africa is the the real reason for meddling of foreign powers in libya.

of course there are millions who want to see the back of gaddafi,demanding for his resignation,overthrow or take-out. and gaddafi response, a jibe of sort,is rhetorical but urgent question that i demand answer to.

"this is a revolution,there is no post for gaddafi to resign from" is a standard refrain from the man whose economic shadows looms large in africa.

save for his counterpart in caracas who i learn has more twitter followers than president obama,no world leader is openly for gaddafi or vehemently outspoken against him.

i am saying that what we are seeing as a libyan crisis is fake and cannot pass for a revolution.it is copycat resistance that fails all the test of revolution and that which,as tunisians are now realizing,can herald a more worse dictator than the gaddafi we know.

i am also saying that any foreign country or groupings like un who are yet to fix the ivory coast crisis--- by allowing the democratically elected person rule----- have no moral authority to prescribe democracy for libyans least of all hijack the libyans quests for ulterior reasons. if they choose to do so successfully,then they must be held to account at the post-gaddafi dispensation and its ripple effects in sub-saharan africa where the libyan dictator's economic shadow looms large.

true revolution and revolutionaries can be smelt from afar of.they are not fake like the libyan one.

i may be wrong,as usual.

nereah of amadi,
hughligham,Nairobi

[politicalmaniac]

I dont know if its fake or not.
But Gadaffi is a marked man, he is going out for sure, I opined here come Easter he will be dead a la Saddam, for he is not about to go to exile in shame.

[kamalet]

Nereah


....another Somalia in the making! That is why some dictatorships are not bad at all! Libya could very easily degenerate into civil war and the result will be devastating.


Why do these guys never learn....or is it in their case one size fits all even when it is hopeless as is the situation in Afghanistan and Iraq? Regime change for the sake of regime change is never the solution!

[nok]

nereah , kamalet, jukwaa

Am no expert in Geo-politics, nor war expert.

But I just want to say Rwanda-> No intervention approx. Millions died

If the west didn't take on al qaeda would the world be a better place ?

If the west thru AU hadn't intervened in Kenya 2008 would we be hear chatting with each other ?

Gaddafi and his son's say; they are willing to go down with Libya: Should the world just watch?

Am of a different opinion.

The UN's mandate forbids intervening in the internal politics of any country unless the crime of genocide is being committed

IS THE CRIME OF GENOCIDE BEING COMMITTED IN LIBYA ? UN SC HAS UNANIMOUSLY VOTED YES

[kamalet]

Mar 1, 2011 17:38:21 GMT 3 nok said:

nereah , kamalet, jukwaa

Am no expert in Geo-politics, nor war expert.

But I just want to say Rwanda-> No intervention approx. Millions died

If the west didn't take on al qaeda would the world be a better place ?

If the west thru AU hadn't intervened in Kenya 2008 would we be hear chatting with each other ?

Gaddafi and he Son's say they are willing to go down with Libya: Should the world just watch?

Am of a different opinion.

The UN's mandate forbids intervening in the internal politics of any country unless the crime of genocide is being committed

IS THE CRIME OF GENOCIDE BEING COMMITTED IN LIBYA ? UN SC HAS UNANIMOUSLY VOTED YES

Where is the west or the UN in the genocide that is Somalia? We cannot keep praising double standards by the west!

I say let us kill one another and at the tipping point sense will prevail!

[nok]

Mar 1, 2011 17:46:46 GMT 3 kamalet said:

Mar 1, 2011 17:38:21 GMT 3 nok said:

nereah , kamalet, jukwaa

Am no expert in Geo-politics, nor war expert.

But I just want to say Rwanda-> No intervention approx. Millions died

If the west didn't take on al qaeda would the world be a better place ?

If the west thru AU hadn't intervened in Kenya 2008 would we be hear chatting with each other ?

Gaddafi and he Son's say they are willing to go down with Libya: Should the world just watch?

Am of a different opinion.



IS THE CRIME OF GENOCIDE BEING COMMITTED IN LIBYA ? UN SC HAS UNANIMOUSLY VOTED YES

Where is the west or the UN in the genocide that is Somalia? We cannot keep praising double standards by the west!

I say let us kill one another and at the tipping point sense will prevail!

kamalet

I thought The AU Troops are there; Uganda, Ethopians, Kenyan support as puppets of the west.
Isn't there a government there? Who do you think is billing the actions there? Kenyan taxpayer or is taxes from the piracy sector of somalian GDP economy ?

[tnk]

Mar 1, 2011 17:46:46 GMT 3 kamalet said:

Mar 1, 2011 17:38:21 GMT 3 nok said:

nereah , kamalet, jukwaa

Am no expert in Geo-politics, nor war expert.

But I just want to say Rwanda-> No intervention approx. Millions died

If the west didn't take on al qaeda would the world be a better place ?

If the west thru AU hadn't intervened in Kenya 2008 would we be hear chatting with each other ?

Gaddafi and he Son's say they are willing to go down with Libya: Should the world just watch?

Am of a different opinion.



IS THE CRIME OF GENOCIDE BEING COMMITTED IN LIBYA ? UN SC HAS UNANIMOUSLY VOTED YES

Where is the west or the UN in the genocide that is Somalia? We cannot keep praising double standards by the west!

I say let us kill one another and at the tipping point sense will prevail!

says the guy sitting in his lounge sipping coffee

[reporter911]

Libya is a true oppressed peoples revolutions no doubt about that unless we in the world are blind to what is happening on the ground to the people of Libya, all human life must be held preciously - Dictators, thugs & thieves should not be allowed to mass murder their citizens and that is why an intervention is very key at this stage irregardless of who goes in to intervene politics aside.. the people of Libya have spoken.. just like the people of Kenya have asked for Help through the ICC to bring justice to the thousands of Innocent Kenyans slaughtered during the 2007-2009 clashes.. Ocampo 6 are on the way to Hague "good Riddance"

[nereah]

Mar 1, 2011 17:38:21 GMT 3 nok said:

nereah , kamalet, jukwaa


IS THE CRIME OF GENOCIDE BEING COMMITTED IN LIBYA ? UN SC HAS UNANIMOUSLY VOTED YES

nok,

i wish madiba was still the president of south africa especially now that s.africa is being elevated to the second top tier of the global family(the so called bric nations) in league with such countries as brazil,india and china.remember madiba would tell america and uk to go throw themselves in the pool whenever they frown upon his dalliance with gaddafi's libya,then a pariah state.

how i wish to hear mandela's view on the happenings in libya especially orchestration for gaddafi's ouster by the very powers that were just the other day laundering libya's image.remember that the un human rights body gave a nod on libya's human rights standing to the dismay of such countries as israel.but how fast things change.talk of hypocrisy.


note:by the way,let it go on record that i have no time nor respect for gaddafi not because of he never stood with the kenyan progressives in the 2007 elections but because he sides with the conservative wing of kenyan political class who are for impunity and icc deferrals.

refer>www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-10-16-libya-un_N.htm

[tnk]

Mar 1, 2011 22:43:48 GMT 3 nereah said:

Mar 1, 2011 17:38:21 GMT 3 nok said:

nereah , kamalet, jukwaa


IS THE CRIME OF GENOCIDE BEING COMMITTED IN LIBYA ? UN SC HAS UNANIMOUSLY VOTED YES

nok,

i wish madiba was still the president of south africa especially now that s.africa is being elevated to the second top tier of the global family in league with such countries as brazil,india and china.

i would have wished to hear mandela's view on the happenings in libya especially orchestration for gaddafi's ouster by the very powers that were just the other day laundering libya's image.remember that the un human rights body gave a nod on libya's human rights standing to the dismay of such countries as israel.but how fast things change.talk of hypocrisy.


note:by the way,let it go on record that i have no time nor respect for gaddafi not because of he never stood with the kenyan progressives in the 2007 elections but because he sides with the conservative wing of kenyan political class who are for impunity and icc deferrals.

nereah

ghaddafi has turned heavy artillery on unarmed citizens of libya.

no doubt you have seen the graphic footage slowly surfacing from the country.

if there is sufficient reason to believe international conspiracy or espionage, then ghaddafi should pursue those foreigners not turn his guns, airforce etc on protesting civilians. there is no excuse for that. in any case he's been at the helm for 40 years, what more can he do for the country, step aside and let someone else run the country

[nereah]

tnk i hear you loud and clear but where i think we wont agree is this idea that foreign intervention is the ultimate solution. if the west wont fix the ivory coast mess,where a victor is a captive of a loser,then surely what business does it have in another african country with similar tendency?

i am worried that the alternative to gaddafi is not what it ought to be. again, i may be wrong.

[nok]

Published on 26/02/2011
by my former .........Hassan Omar Hassan

Dear Mr President, the effects of the seismic revolution of the Arab world are likely to be felt across Africa. The fanatical temptation to replace the old order and hold us accountable is contagious.

Our reports indicate that these uprising can be blamed on Osama bin Laden and Barack Obama aka bin Hussein. Twenty five per cent of Americans believe that bin Hussein is a Muslim. Corroborating this with information from our sources, there is reason to believe that these Muslims are working together.

Libyan intelligence informed us that bin Laden is behind the demonstrations in the Arab world. Our brother Muaamar Gaddafi has restated this fact. Reliable sources tell us that it is possible that Obama persuaded Osama to renounce violence, restrategise and unleash demonstrations to demand democracy.

You must dispatch Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka to reaffirm our support to defer any cases that may arise out of the Libyan uprising. We must not support any international intervention in Libya. Like the International Criminal Court’s intervention in Kenya, the Libyan uprising is replete of foreign interference especially by Osama. Any intervention would undermine Libya’s sovereignty and in fact promote impunity. The killing of Libyans is a domestic affair. With due fairness, what options did the authorities have?

Bin Hussein has been inciting the Muslim youth. He has been asking them to demand political participation and liberty and reach out to others to build the bridges of understanding and tolerance. He incited them during his speech to the Muslim world delivered in Cairo in 2009. Look at what befell our friend Hosni Mubarak soon after. Our sources shared with us a soft copy of the speech, which we have carefully analysed.

Bin Hussein said in his speech that his father was Muslim. Through a "Top Secret" dossier, we informed the CIA that his father was also Luo. Imagine the combination! That’s a lot of violence and incitement wrapped up together. We must not allow Obama or his Ambassador Michael Ranneberger to incite peaceful Kenyan youth.

We therefore strongly advise against Obama’s visit to Kenya. We must at all times opt for stability over democracy and human rights.

Too much democracy is a threat to our stability. Africans too are not yet ready for democracy. The words of the police spokesman exude wisdom. "Human rights to an African is like giving maize to an infant". Therefore Africans must first grow up before being allowed to ‘chew and digest’ democracy or have their rights respected.

More democracy in Kenya might also accord the Al-Shabab and other outlawed groups an opportunity to takeover power. This will immerse the region into terrorism and give rise to Islamic extremism. We have appraised the CIA and FBI of this threat. We are also copying this report to them to shed more light on the threat democracy and human rights presents to the security and stability of the Middle East and Africa.

Credible intelligence indicates that Obama is a project of the CIA. This early warning is instructive on the need to wind up this project come the 2012 US Presidential elections. We must also closely align ourselves with the right wing in the US. Like us, they believe in security over liberties for Muslims who are overwhelming terrorists.

As for your own hold on power, there is no cause for alarm. Unlike Mubarak, our people are with us, and the US and the West needs us. We have also successfully turned to China. What is now required is to attract more Chinese tourists.

Yours faithfully and truthfully,

Mr Insider,

P.O. Kitchen Cabinet

—The writer is a commissioner with KNCHR

[kamalet]

Mar 2, 2011 14:30:39 GMT 3 nok said:

Published on 26/02/2011
by my former .........Hassan Omar Hassan

Dear Mr President, the effects of the seismic revolution of the Arab world are likely to be felt across Africa. The fanatical temptation to replace the old order and hold us accountable is contagious.

Our reports indicate that these uprising can be blamed on Osama bin Laden and Barack Obama aka bin Hussein. Twenty five per cent of Americans believe that bin Hussein is a Muslim. Corroborating this with information from our sources, there is reason to believe that these Muslims are working together.

Libyan intelligence informed us that bin Laden is behind the demonstrations in the Arab world. Our brother Muaamar Gaddafi has restated this fact. Reliable sources tell us that it is possible that Obama persuaded Osama to renounce violence, restrategise and unleash demonstrations to demand democracy.

You must dispatch Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka to reaffirm our support to defer any cases that may arise out of the Libyan uprising. We must not support any international intervention in Libya. Like the International Criminal Court’s intervention in Kenya, the Libyan uprising is replete of foreign interference especially by Osama. Any intervention would undermine Libya’s sovereignty and in fact promote impunity. The killing of Libyans is a domestic affair. With due fairness, what options did the authorities have?

Bin Hussein has been inciting the Muslim youth. He has been asking them to demand political participation and liberty and reach out to others to build the bridges of understanding and tolerance. He incited them during his speech to the Muslim world delivered in Cairo in 2009. Look at what befell our friend Hosni Mubarak soon after. Our sources shared with us a soft copy of the speech, which we have carefully analysed.

Bin Hussein said in his speech that his father was Muslim. Through a "Top Secret" dossier, we informed the CIA that his father was also Luo. Imagine the combination! That’s a lot of violence and incitement wrapped up together. We must not allow Obama or his Ambassador Michael Ranneberger to incite peaceful Kenyan youth.

We therefore strongly advise against Obama’s visit to Kenya. We must at all times opt for stability over democracy and human rights.

Too much democracy is a threat to our stability. Africans too are not yet ready for democracy. The words of the police spokesman exude wisdom. "Human rights to an African is like giving maize to an infant". Therefore Africans must first grow up before being allowed to ‘chew and digest’ democracy or have their rights respected.

More democracy in Kenya might also accord the Al-Shabab and other outlawed groups an opportunity to takeover power. This will immerse the region into terrorism and give rise to Islamic extremism. We have appraised the CIA and FBI of this threat. We are also copying this report to them to shed more light on the threat democracy and human rights presents to the security and stability of the Middle East and Africa.

Credible intelligence indicates that Obama is a project of the CIA. This early warning is instructive on the need to wind up this project come the 2012 US Presidential elections. We must also closely align ourselves with the right wing in the US. Like us, they believe in security over liberties for Muslims who are overwhelming terrorists.

As for your own hold on power, there is no cause for alarm. Unlike Mubarak, our people are with us, and the US and the West needs us. We have also successfully turned to China. What is now required is to attract more Chinese tourists.

Yours faithfully and truthfully,

Mr Insider,

P.O. Kitchen Cabinet

—The writer is a commissioner with KNCHR

Hassan Omar should keep his day job. This attempt at humour unfortunately falls flat on its face!

[politicalmaniac]

Mar 2, 2011 14:30:39 GMT 3 nok said:

Published on 26/02/2011
by my former .........Hassan Omar Hassan



P.O. Kitchen Cabinet

—The writer is a commissioner with KNCHR

kie kie kie ;D ;D ;D

You should post this also in the political humor and satire thread!! ;D ;D

Satire always beats hubris like that of jomo jnr calling folks kehee and talking about Hague ni wa nina or

[nereah]

Mar 1, 2011 17:15:17 GMT 3 kamalet said:

Nereah

....another Somalia in the making! That is why some dictatorships are not bad at all! Libya could very easily degenerate into civil war and the result will be devastating.

kamale, it is like you are being vindicated.

[jakaswanga]

Mar 1, 2011 15:36:30 GMT 3 nereah said:

gaddafi and african community leaders photo courtesy

i am being reliably informed by western media that great britain and america may launch an offensive known as a coalition of the willing against the sovereign state of libya with a mission to oust gaddafi.

already usa naval warships are on the outer waters of libya while the youthful uk pm,david cameron who should know better after his predecessor blundered in iraq and afghanistan is beating the drums of war. he comes out as a man in haste and excitement about libyan" second revolution".so much so that that from the media constructs, i am forced to imagine that he is determine to by-pass un security council to enforce the no fly zone on libya under the guise of protecting the armed resistance against gaddafi's gunships.

hillary is quoted as saying, rather cheekily, that the american warships/naval troops massing oustside libya's territorial waters are merely logistical base for humanitarian effort in libya.my foot!

france has already dispatched plane loads of military cargo,said to be medical relief supplies to benghazi.

those who claim to know informs me that there is no guarantee that america and uk would have their way for military intervention in libya because russia and the good old china would veto such a move. which explains why uk and uncle sam are already in motion for a military strike,just marking time before we hear about the coalition of the willing.

david cameron.roots for 'arming libyan resistance'

one would have thought that nato would be the ideal foreign meddler in the libyan crisis but of course there is the leverage that gaddafi still holds which may muddy the waters and reduce would be key actors to mere spectators.

nereah is of the view that what is happening in libya must be allowed to run its course for the worse or better and no outside interference whatsoever as doing so would beg the dreaded question.

of course we know libya,no gaddafi, has a past but we also know that the man ronald reagan once described as a mad dog,has a way with the west.

what we must interrogate are the imperatives that makes libyan case distinct from say tunisia or yemen to warrant excitement from cameron and those who think like him.

nereah is also of the view that gaddafi is a problem of the libyan people:it is the libyans who created muamar.let the libyans sort themselves out;decide whether its the revolution that swept then 27 years old gaddafi to power that is gthe problem or its gaddafi's dictatorship?

we may also want to ask: to what extent are those defections that we are witnessing genuine? are these foreign diplomats and military officers mere opportunists or change agents? what is their raison d'etre; ideological underpinning? are they fed up with gaddafi or the "revolution"

i am amused to hear some western diplomats vouch for a swift resolution of the libyan crisis as a matter of concern and interest.meaning they want gaddafi to go and a new regime installed.

cameron,according to my informant at the uk gaurdian newspaper, is even planning to arm the libyan resistance to redress the asymmetry in the warfare!

the argument goes that prolonged conflict in libya is inimical to economic interest of foreign nations and the quicker it is resolved the better.but then you and i know that the black gold which gaddafi has used whimsically for the worst and more often than not for the common good of his constituency which traverses sub-sahara africa is the the real reason for meddling of foreign powers in libya.

of course there are millions who want to see the back of gaddafi,demanding for his resignation,overthrow or take-out. and gaddafi response, a jibe of sort,is rhetorical but urgent question that i demand answer to.

"this is a revolution,there is no post for gaddafi to resign from" is a standard refrain from the man whose economic shadows looms large in africa.

save for his counterpart in caracas who i learn has more twitter followers than president obama,no world leader is openly for gaddafi or vehemently outspoken against him.

i am saying that what we are seeing as a libyan crisis is fake and cannot pass for a revolution.it is copycat resistance that fails all the test of revolution and that which,as tunisians are now realizing,can herald a more worse dictator than the gaddafi we know.

i am also saying that any foreign country or groupings like un who are yet to fix the ivory coast crisis--- by allowing the democratically elected person rule----- have no moral authority to prescribe democracy for libyans least of all hijack the libyans quests for ulterior reasons. if they choose to do so successfully,then they must be held to account at the post-gaddafi dispensation and its ripple effects in sub-saharan africa where the libyan dictator's economic shadow looms large.

true revolution and revolutionaries can be smelt from afar of.they are not fake like the libyan one.

i may be wrong,as usual.

nereah of amadi,
hughligham,Nairobi

Posted by kamalet Mar 1, 2011 at 3:15pm
Nereah

....another Somalia in the making! That is why some dictatorships are not bad at all! Libya could very easily degenerate into civil war and the result will be devastating.


Why do these guys never learn....or is it in their case one size fits all even when it is hopeless as is the situation in Afghanistan and Iraq? Regime change for the sake of regime change is never the solution!

Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/post/62887/quote/5059#ixzz3BcGszUn3

Now, I will post an upgrade below!

NB: Nereah and Kamalet, your visions and moments of introspective skepticism deserve some pats on the back in retrospect. --of course patting backs is a bit awkward for a guy like me. Honetly it would more be squeezing Nereah's butt and throwing a bottle of good scotch across at Kamalet's table. But since Oloo insists on good manners in Pyong Yang, slaps on the back it will be!

[jakaswanga]

NOW, THE LATEST TWIST IN LIBYA

For those who have missed it, the usual things which denote a failed state have been happening in Libya. Libya currently has two parliaments, and two prime ministers, none of which sit at the official capital city Tripoli.

Libya ends up with two prime ministers

(Reuters) / 30 May 2014

Acting premier refuses to yield to successor

Libya’s acting prime minister, Abdullah Al Thani, on Wednesday refused to hand over power to a newly elected premier after questioning his legitimacy in a deepening confrontation among the Opec nation’s rival factions.
The North African state, struggling with unrest since a 2011 war ended Muammar Gaddafi’s rule, now has two prime ministers and a parliament deadlocked by splits among conservatives, anti-hardliners and regional adversaries.

The apparent battleline seems to be between secular-oriented nationalist forces, and Islamist or Jihadist leaning groups on the other hand. Those with an intricate understanding of the delicate tribal politics of Libya which the desert-born Moamar Khadaffi seemed to have had such an instinctive understanding of, can throw their insights into the mix. Misrata, Zintan brigades?

Apparently there was a post regime change game-plan, and it involved the disarming and marginalisation of the Islamist groups, to set the stage for the CIA asset Gen. Khalifa Hafter to take over Libya, in an Iraqi-Chalabi re-run.

Once a U.S. asset, Gen. Hafter recruited Libya’s entire military command with Egypt’s backing
Special to WorldTribune.com
CAIRO — Egypt has been deemed a leading supporter of this week’s mutiny within the Libyan military.
Diplomatic sources said renegade Gen. Khalifa Hafter was receiving guidance and military support from Egypt.

The sources said Hafter, who led an offensive against Islamist militias in eastern Libya, was also receiving money through Egypt from Gulf Cooperation Council states.

“The Arab states see Hafter as the only hope to provide stability in Libya,” a diplomat said.
The sources said Hafter succeeded in recruiting virtually the entire Libyan military. They said the military, despite statements by the General Staff, has not stopped operations by troops loyal to Hafter.
Hafter, said to have worked with the CIA for more than 20 years, has long been seen as a supporter of the United States. But the sources said Egypt and the GCC groomed Hafter for a takeover of Libya after they determined that the United States was protecting the Islamist militias connected to the Muslim Brotherhood.
www.worldtribune.com/2014/05/23/egypt-gcc-support-libyan-mutiny-led-renegade-gen-hafter/

Well, islamic militias, looking over their shoulders and across at Egypt, where the secular generals were murdering off Muslim Brotherhood militants and incarcerating thousands of sympathisers in desert prison caves, decided to take their chances for what it was worth.
The result has been governments and parliaments exiled from the capital city, civil war in cities, and the battle for the international airport at Tripoli, just concluded several days ago, has suddenly thrown a big spanner in the mix. Because the wrong :-Xguys now control the airport, and the capital city.

The nationalist and pro-secular forces have been routed in the battle for Tripoli, and, remembering that the special forces compound and barracks in Benghazi, loyal to the CIA asset hafter, had been overrun weeks ago by the Islamic militants, the situation in Libya called for a divine or INVINCIBLE hand of providence.

It came to pass. But first, a suspect. Here is a worried Egypt, weighing the odds.
www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/24/egypt-concern-libya-tensions

As Libya's eastern neighbour, Egypt is worried about the unrest spilling over the border. Thousands of Egyptian expat workers have already fled home from Libya, exacerbating Egypt's unemployment problem. Now officials fear something far worse may follow. An unruly Libya could provide a safe haven for Egyptian militants, who have launched hundreds of attacks on Egyptian security forces throughout the past year.
Back in July, 21 Egyptian soldiers were killed in a skirmish near the Libyan border, in what some considered a premonition of what may be to come. Soon afterwards, Amr Moussa – one of Egypt's elder statesmen, and a Sisi ally – labelled the tumult in Libya "a major concern for Egypt", and called for a public debate about the possibility of military intervention.

And so the Egyptians colluding with the United Arab Emirates have been bombing on behalf of the CIA asset. But they forgot to inform the USA! And that, folks, is cause for some hilarious mumblings. The Americans just can not seem to come to terms with the New World.

5 Ironies of US Reaction to Egypt/UAE Bombing of Libya
By Juan Cole | Aug. 26, 2014 |

The diplomatic angst issuing from Washington around the United Arab Emirates and Egypt bombing of weapons depots belonging to the Qatar-backed fundamentalist militia of Misrata holds many delicious ironies:

1. According to the BBC, “the US, France, Germany, Italy and the UK issued a joint statement denouncing “outside interference” in Libya.” Seriously, guys? Except for Germany, these are the NATO countries that intervened in Libya in the first place, in large part at the insistence of an Arab League led by Egypt and the UAE! It is true that the UAE and Egypt don’t have a UN Security Council Resolution, which authorized NATO involvement (I supported the then no fly zone on those grounds). But the newly elected Libyan House of Representatives has openly called for international intervention against Libya’s out-of-control militias and it is entirely possible that the Libyan government asked, behind the scenes for these air strikes. In any case, “outside interference” isn’t the issue!

2. The US is said to have been “caught off guard” by the air strikes. But the US bombed Tripoli in 1986 without coordinating with most of its Middle East allies. Or then there was that sudden invasion of Iraq for no good reason in 2003. The US is always catching the Middle East off guard.

3. The US is said to be concerned that the UAE used US military equipment in ways not authorized by Congress. But Israel does this all the time and there is no such expression of concern then.

4. The US is planning unilateral air strikes on Syria, the sort of operation that the UAE and Egypt are imitating.

5. The US Congress has been obsessing for years about the September 11, 2012 attack on the US consulate in Benghazi by extremist militias of the sort the UAE and Egypt are now weakening in Libya. Are the Republicans in the House just interested in making political hay with the deaths of the US ambassador and 3 other Americans, or do they really want to roll back extremist forces and lawless militias in Libya? If the latter, they have given no sign of it except carping.

Of course Netanyahu requested and received permission from Washington before bombing Gaza to smithereens.

These guys in Washington live in their own fantasy world.

[jakaswanga]

Mar 24, 2011 13:24:13 GMT 3 nereah said:

Mar 1, 2011 17:15:17 GMT 3 kamalet said:

Nereah

....another Somalia in the making! That is why some dictatorships are not bad at all! Libya could very easily degenerate into civil war and the result will be devastating.

kamale, it is like you are being vindicated.

Atherere Kamale wuod Okuyo! oyawore omera! --any translations b6k!??