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Post by podp on Mar 21, 2011 9:35:16 GMT 3
Dear All,
This is a subject dear to me and hence will attempt to shed some light and pardon me if I do not dwell too much on the political personalities of the past and present Minister of Energy.
Kenya joined the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in 1966. We signed and ratified the Nuclear Non proliferation Treaty in 1971. In 2009 we ratified (after having signed earlier) the Comprehensive Safeguards Agreement, the Additional Protocol and the Small Quantities Protocol. There are still a string of conventions that we need to be party to before we can obtain the necessary cooperation from vendors of nuclear technology.
Back in our region we (Kenya) have less than 20% electrification rate (47% in Nairobi and 3% in rural Kenya). Vision 2030 aims to have Kenya became a middle income economy implying we need to industrialize among other 'advances'. Current electricity generation is below 1,400 MW. We have a Least Cost Power Development Plan team led by the Energy Regulatory Commission and officers from Ministry of Energy, KPLC, KETRACO, Geothermal Development Company, Rural Electrification Authority, Kenya National Bureau of Statistics etc. who prepare 20 year rolling plans. The 2010-2030 factored 4,200 MW from nuclear. The 2011-2031 factors 4,000 MW nuclear against a total projected generation of above 16,000 MW. We estimate geothermal potential to be 7,000 MW. Assume we tap all that we still will have a deficit of above 7,000 MW in 2031. We aim to get 5,000 MW from coal. The three (coal, nuclear and geothermal) will provide firm power while co-generation (e.g. from sugar factories), hydro, wind, solar, thermal (from diesel generators) can provide peaking power. Industrial establishments that operate 24/7 round the year require firm power.
We are planning a national nuclear electricity conference on 5th and 6th April 2011 and we would welcome those of you able to attend so that we hear your views (for and against) the proposed nuclear option adding to our energy mix.
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Post by b6k on Mar 21, 2011 10:49:26 GMT 3
Podp, it's good to know we have an energy industry insider amongst us. Where's the conference venue?
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Post by mank on Mar 21, 2011 18:57:48 GMT 3
Dear All,
This is a subject dear to me and hence will attempt to shed some light and pardon me if I do not dwell too much on the political personalities of the past and present Minister of Energy.
Kenya joined the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in 1966. We signed and ratified the Nuclear Non proliferation Treaty in 1971. In 2009 we ratified (after having signed earlier) the Comprehensive Safeguards Agreement, the Additional Protocol and the Small Quantities Protocol. There are still a string of conventions that we need to be party to before we can obtain the necessary cooperation from vendors of nuclear technology.
Back in our region we (Kenya) have less than 20% electrification rate (47% in Nairobi and 3% in rural Kenya). Vision 2030 aims to have Kenya became a middle income economy implying we need to industrialize among other 'advances'. Current electricity generation is below 1,400 MW. We have a Least Cost Power Development Plan team led by the Energy Regulatory Commission and officers from Ministry of Energy, KPLC, KETRACO, Geothermal Development Company, Rural Electrification Authority, Kenya National Bureau of Statistics etc. who prepare 20 year rolling plans. The 2010-2030 factored 4,200 MW from nuclear. The 2011-2031 factors 4,000 MW nuclear against a total projected generation of above 16,000 MW. We estimate geothermal potential to be 7,000 MW. Assume we tap all that we still will have a deficit of above 7,000 MW in 2031. We aim to get 5,000 MW from coal. The three (coal, nuclear and geothermal) will provide firm power while co-generation (e.g. from sugar factories), hydro, wind, solar, thermal (from diesel generators) can provide peaking power. Industrial establishments that operate 24/7 round the year require firm power.
We are planning a national nuclear electricity conference on 5th and 6th April 2011 and we would welcome those of you able to attend so that we hear your views (for and against) the proposed nuclear option adding to our energy mix. Podp, How does the "Least Cost Power Development Plan team" plan to deal with nuclear waste? How is the risk of nuclear radiation and the associated mitigation costs being accounted for in determining that the nuclear option would comprise part of our "least cost power development plan?" A national nuclear electricity conference on 5th and 6th April 2011 sounds rather abrupt. Who are the main minds and what is expected to be accomplished at this conference? I think Kenyans need to be involved in making a decision whether they want to engage in nuclear power generation. People should get educated on what nuclear power really is and the challenges it brings along with its promises. Then they should be asked to decide through a referendum whether to engage.
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Post by podp on Mar 21, 2011 19:17:10 GMT 3
Venue will be KICC Official notices of the accidents at the Fukushima nuclear power plants give insight into the challenges faced by power plant engineers in the aftermath of last week's natural disasters. www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Insight_to_Fukushima_engineering_challenges_1803112.htmlReading thro' that one can notice that what is happenning in Japan is clearly explainable and we need to build capacities (competencies and capabilities) so as to be able to launch nuclear power as per the Least Cost Power Development Plan i.e. 2022, 2026, 2029 and 2031. Our current situation is: Power supply capacity – 1358.7 MW. This is made-up of the supply capacity: - Hydro 742 MW under normal hydrology (Nominal 761MW) - Oil based Thermal 391 MW - Geothermal 198 MW (Nominal 203 MW) - Co-generation 26 MW (Mumias) - Wind 1.7 MW (Nominal 5.1MW) Reserve Margin under average hydrology is 13% Reserve Margin under dry hydrology is (-)24% To bridge demand-supply imbalance under dry hydrology, Kenya has since 2006 been operating expensive diesel fired emergency power. As a result of current good rainfall, 150MW of emergency power has been retired. Our current dam levels are: - Masinga 1051.64 metres above sea level (full capacity 1056.5 MASL) - Kamburu 1004.13 metres above sea level (full capacity 1006 MASL) - Kiambere 693.84 MASL (full capacity 700 MASL) - Turkwell 1120.10 MASL (full capacity 1150 MASL) There is an engeneering tool we call a Rule Curve (dam operators often use rule curves as a tool to regulate water releases and flows in rivers downstream from a dam). It is 1045 MASL for Masinga. Ordinarily, the dam should not be operated below this level. Because of inadequate generation capacity, Masinga has been operating below rule curve. Due to this operating scenario, we have continued to depend on emergency power to address ensuing supply-demand imbalance. Some ongoing power projects planned for commissioning by 2014 a total of 1599 MW is scheduled to be commissioned as follows: (a) 360 MW MSDs at Kipevu, Athi River and Thika (b) 62 MW Hydro at Tana, Kindaruma & Sangoro (c) 70 MW geothermal well head units (d) 280 MW Olkaria I & 4 geothermal (e) 52 MW Olkaria III (OrPower – IPP) (f) 25 MW Kengen Ngong wind (g) 150 MW Aeolus Wind (h) 300 MW Turkana Wind (i) 300 MW Mombasa Coal Plant This capacity addition will raise effective generation capacity under dry hydrology to 2211 MW relative to a demand of 2,888 MW. Please notice we will still be trailing behind expected demand by a deficit of above 600 MW. Geothermal and imports will have to be stepped up otherwise more emergency power will have to be availed! Some progress in mobilizing funds is presented below. Ministry of Energy has been able to fund raise more than US$ one billion for development of 280MW Geothermal power facility at OlKaria on the strength of 50% steam availability through the on-going GoK funded steam production drilling campaign. The sources of these funds are as follows: JICA ¥29.516 Billion AFD €150 Million EIB €120 Million World Bank US $ 130 Million KfW €71 Million EXIM Bank of China US $ 95 Million However, IPP funding is a major challenge due to lack of sovereign guarantees and Letters of Credits. Unless, a quick solution is found, we should brace ourselves for massive power rationing within the next two years. The Ministry of Energy’s 20 year Least Cost Power Development Plan covering the period 2010-2030, indicates that nuclear energy compares favourably with geothermal and coal. Indicative costs are shown in the following table: ( sorry unable to paste the table) Based on these costs and the need to have a robust generation mix with a low carbon footprint, it is proposed that nuclear energy be made part of the power generation mix. The least cost power generation plan entails generation capacity of 12980MW from 2015 to 2030, comprising: CAPACITY COST(US$ Bn) Geothermal 4,480 MW 23.40 Nuclear 4,200 MW 14.70 Coal 3,900 MW 7.85 Wind 400 MW 0.88 Total 46.83 Bn What do you think of planned GoK support, (?) especially on:- (a) Sovereign Guarantees and letters of credit Essential for private sector participation in power generation. (b) Sovereign Bond to Finance Geothermal Development Need to float external sovereign bonds for long term financing of Geothermal Power at a pace consistent with rising demand for power. (c) 10 to 15 years of Tax Holidays to investors in energy sector An incentive to attract competitive IPP generation tariffs. To launch a nuclear power programme we need to consider:- Nuclear power is an attractive option for Kenya, but only under the right conditions 1. Institutions are established to ensure (a) Independent and effective regulatory agency (b) Proper safety protocols (c) Nuclear non-proliferation 2. Sufficient skills are developed 3. Right technology is selected i.e.Right reactor and appropriate size for the East Africa Power Pool grid. Your constructive criticisms will be most welcome on the above plus positive observations.
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Post by podp on Mar 21, 2011 19:45:49 GMT 3
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Post by b6k on Mar 25, 2011 12:15:44 GMT 3
Podp, so as the EU meet to have a quick rethink over their nuclear energy policy, & Germany shuts down 7 of her older reactors after public protests, Kenya (a third world country) forges ahead with its plans to go nuclear. www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,14912184,00.html Meanwhile in Japan, Tokyo's water supply is now said to be uncontaminated (a ban for giving kids under 12 months tap water was imposed for a day or two) but farmers in the northeast who supply milk, fruit & vegetables to the capita have had their produce banned for human consumption. www.edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/25/japan.nuclear.disaster/?hpt=T2Granted the authorities in KE will learn from this & past nuclear disasters & improve plant designs. However, 2 out of 3 of the largest nuclear disasters were due to human error. You may keep mother nature at bay by improving design (as the Japanese thought they had), but you can't design against the weakest link in a nuclear plant.....human nature. www.wilderutopia.com/environmental-health/human-hubris-fuels-nuclear-catastrophe/
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Post by nalinali on Apr 1, 2011 4:05:06 GMT 3
1) Ambitious but great idea that needs to be supported by all Kenyans. If we are to leap from a Third World to developed status, we need lots and lots of energy...cheap energy...that will be the fuel to spur manufacturing, industry and commerce - to create jobs for our languishing youth. 2) Since we don't fall along any of the world's geological/tectonic fault lines, like Japan...earthquakes shouldn't be the first thing on our minds... 3) What we must critically think about is the idiocy of planners thinking they can store nuclear waste in the densely populated Kisii District, when we have an eternity of a vast uninhabited desert lying idle in a portion of the country. [/b] In the USA, they store nuclear waste in the sparsely populated Yuma mountains in Arizona desert.Why do people ruin good plans with such rudderless decisions? If it's mountains these guys were looking for, they can find them elsewhere, not the densely populated hills around Kisii! www.nation.co.ke/News/UN+clears+Kenya+nuclear+energy+project+/-/1056/1136774/-/15lk6a7z/-/index.html A 50km shaft will be dug into the ground at Oborimo, Urongo in Kisii Central District to store the nuclear waste. [/quote] Job Great idea but this seems to be an April fools joke. I believed in it at first until doubts were planted in my mind by a similar observation on another forum.
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Post by job on Apr 1, 2011 7:14:58 GMT 3
Darn these reporters, looks like they pranked me! Can't blame the time zone difference.
I'll yank off my earlier post. Darn!!!
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Post by kamalet on Apr 1, 2011 8:13:52 GMT 3
And the author was Angij arap Kusi.....reverse Angij and you get Jinga!
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Post by mank on Apr 1, 2011 9:08:50 GMT 3
And the author was Angij arap Kusi.....reverse Angij and you get Jinga! Nice catch. Further, arap backwards is para, which means "of" or "for" in spanish. Kusi is Siku. Full backwards read: Siku ya Jinga. Nobody should feel too fooled though. I think the article is a good call to a critical consideration of the nation's desire to go nuclear. Podp makes a case for it, and we need to debate this and educate each other here and beyond. Personally I better go back to cave energy than civilize with nuclear energy. The Japan crises will win over many a believer to my side by the time it is forgotten. Hopefully we are a generation that will see the day when it is forgotten - I fear we are not, because long after the facilities are contained, health problems will be endemic that can only be explained by what is going on in Japan now.
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Post by madgf on Apr 1, 2011 14:23:04 GMT 3
Maybe. If another world is possible, these green scientists better present their plan quick. www.nation.co.ke/News/Kenyan+lamp+likened+to+CNN+and+Internet++/-/1056/1136190/-/7epq9lz/-/index.htmlThe lamp has become a clean, healthy alternative to wood fires as a source of light and has transformed the lives of thousands of Africans.
His desire to provide sustainable energy to communities was borne while studying electrical engineering at Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology.
The awards have been organised into three categories reflecting reforms Gorbachev undertook as the Soviet leader, CNN reported.
Berners-Lee was given the award for perestroika, or reform, for inventing the World Wide Web in 1989, changing the way the world shares information.
The award for glasnost, or openness, was given to Turner, who helped transform the world’s media with his 24-hour global news operation.
Mr Wadongo, 25, won the award for contributions to modern science and technology, or uskoreniye. A Kenyan entrepreneur, Evans Wadongo, has made history again after he is named one of three winners of the inaugural Gorbachev awards March 30, 2011.
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Post by mank on Apr 12, 2011 12:42:29 GMT 3
Now the Japanese have admitted "Nuclear incident as bad as Chernobyl". if you saw the snow-balling of this stance you will suspect that the crisis is actually worse than Chernobyl. When they used to report the severity by concentration of radiation there were often some disclaimers indicating that the number reported was the maximum that can be detected by the technology used. This time too, it is probably only "as bad as Chernobyl" because there is nothing worse than Chernobyl to speak of. With time they will come to terms with "worse than".
Recently they released contaminated water into the ocean and then the next day they were jubilant about how the facilities were no longer leaking radiated water. Simple fix - dump the contaminated water into the ocean intentionally, watch and confirm that there is no contaminated water leaking out of the facility you just releaved of such water, then call the world and celebrate. A little honesty would be the only favour to give the world right now. Then those who think nukes are the place for easy power might think harder.
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Post by b6k on Apr 12, 2011 13:07:38 GMT 3
Mank you beat me to it. The Japanese are trying to downplay a very grave situation. They've now ranked the disaster at a level 7, at par with Chernobyl but they still insist only 10% of Chernobyl leakage levels have been attained to date. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13045341A little further down they admit that as the reactors are still leaking, they may in fact exceed Chernobyl's leekages before the crisis is over. This is worse than speaking from both corners of their mouths. They're talking from all orifices...
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Post by b6k on Apr 16, 2011 9:37:38 GMT 3
So it's finally official. Germany has decided...again...to totally abolish nuclear power by 2020/22. Coincidentally, we want to start our foray into nuclear energy by 2020. www.canadianbusiness.com/markets/market_news/article.jsp?content=D9MK64P01So what's bound to happen if KE goes nuclear? The obsolete/unsafe technology will be sold to us at exhorbitant rates by the Germans who will also send their soon to be unemployed nuclear techies as expatriate nuclear management experts...with full perks.
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Post by madgf on Apr 16, 2011 18:57:51 GMT 3
i think they got the point.
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Post by mank on Apr 24, 2011 17:42:40 GMT 3
Here's an impressive pitch for nuclear power - Very informative.Why I Still Support Nuclear Power, Even After FukushimaCoal plants must be fed by a 100-car freight train arriving every 30 hours. .It's not easy being a supporter of nuclear energy these days. The events in Japan have confirmed many of the critics' worst predictions. We are way past Three Mile Island. It is not quite Chernobyl, but the possibilities of widespread radioactive contamination remain real. Still, other energy technologies are not without risk. In 1944 a natural gas explosion in Cleveland leveled an entire neighborhood and killed 130 people. Yet we still pipe gas right into our homes. Coal mining killed 100,000 workers in the 20th century, and still kills an average of six a day in China, but we haven't given up coal. A hydroelectric dam collapsed in Japan during the earthquake, wiping away 1,800 homes and killing an undetermined number of people, yet nobody has paid much attention. But talk about the risks of other energy sources really doesn't cut to the issue. The obvious question people are asking is, "Why do we have to mess with this nuclear stuff in the first place? Why do we have to risk these horrible accidents when other better technologies are available?" The answer is that there are no better alternatives available. If we are going to maintain our standard of living—or anything approximating it—without overwhelming the earth with pollution, we are going to have to master nuclear technology. Consider: Uranium fuel rods sit in a reactor core for five years. During that time six ounces of their weight—six ounces!—will be completely transformed into energy. But the energy produced by that transformation will be enough to power a city the size of San Francisco for five years. A coal plant must be fed by a 100-car freight train arriving every 30 hours. A nuclear reactor is refueled by a fleet of six trucks arriving once every two years. There are 283 coal mines in West Virginia and 449 in Kentucky. There are only 45 uranium mines in the entire world. Russia is offering to supply uranium to most of the developing world with the output from one mine. That is why the environmental impact of nuclear is infinitely smaller. What about natural gas? Huge reservoirs of shale gas have been unlocked by hydrofracking. But "fracking" has been able to proceed so rapidly only because it has been exempted from federal regulations governing air and water pollution. Now that concern has arisen about damaged aquifers, natural gas production may slow as well. So what about hydro, wind and solar? These energy sources will not bring about utopia. The only reason we don't object to the environmental effects of these renewables is because we haven't yet encountered them. The amount of energy that can be derived from harnessing wind or water is about 15 orders of magnitude less than what can be derived from uranium. Thus a hydroelectric dam such as Hoover must back up a 250-square-mile reservoir (Lake Mead) in order to generate the same electricity produced by a reactor on one square mile. Windmills require even more space, since air is less dense than water. Replacing just one of the two 1,000-megawatt reactors at Indian Point in Westchester County, N.Y., would require lining the Hudson River from New York to Albany with 45-story windmills one-quarter mile apart—and then they would generate electricity only about one-third of the time, when the wind is blowing. Solar collectors must be built to the same scale. It would take 20 square miles of highly polished mirrors or photovoltaic cells to equal the output of one nuclear reactor—and then only when the sun shines. Such facilities may one day provide supplementary power or peaking output during hot summer afternoons, but they will never be able to supply the uninterrupted flow of electricity required by an industrial society. It will be impossible to meet the consumer demands of a contemporary society without a reliable source of energy like nuclear. Other countries have already acknowledged this. There are 65 reactors under construction around the world (far safer and more advanced than the 30-year-old technology at Fukushima Daiichi), but none in the U.S. The Russians' sale of uranium to the world comes with an offer to take back the "nuclear waste" and reprocess it into more fuel, at a profit. The Chinese have commercialized their first Integral Fast Breeder, a reactor that can burn any kind of "waste" and promises unlimited quantities of cheap energy. We have become the world's predominant industrial power because our forebears were willing to take the risks and make the sacrifices necessary to develop new technologies—the steam engine, coal mining, electricity, automobiles, airplanes, electronics, space travel. If we are not willing to take this next set of risks, others will. Then the torch will be passed to another generation that is not our own and our children and grandchildren will live with the consequences. Mr. Tucker is author of "Terrestrial Energy: How Nuclear Power Will Lead the Green Revolution and End America's Energy Odyssey" (Bartleby Press, 2010).
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Post by mzee on Apr 13, 2012 11:17:25 GMT 3
These guys are stealing every penny we have. Is this fraud or what. Seems a little stinky to me. www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Nuclear+power+team+seeks+an+additional+Sh300m+per+year++/-/1006/1385398/-/h4ng5n/-/index.htmlThe team mandated to develop the country’s nuclear power plant is seeking an additional Sh300 million every year in budgetary allocation, to fund staff training. This will bring the amount allocated annually to the Nuclear Electricity Project Committee to Sh500 million. The committee has a secretariat of 42 staff, and is in the process of increasing the number to 53. The Government expects to have an operational nuclear power plant to provide 1,700MW by 2022. “The additional funds will go into various training institutions like University of Nairobi to increase scholarships for those to be trained in various aspects of operating nuclear plants,” the Nuclear committee chairman, Mr Ochilo Ayako, told the Parliamentary Committee on Energy, Transport and Communications on Thursday.
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Post by podp on Apr 13, 2012 16:33:29 GMT 3
The committee has a secretariat of 42 staff, and is in the process of increasing the number to 53. Mzee, It may be of interest to know the criteria for such small staff? Why and what is the logic for the below expressions for interest adverts when no one makes a law without a policy in place? (EOI) FOR CONSULTANCY SERVICES FOR THE ESTALISHMENT OF A COMPREHENSIVE LEGAL AND REGULATORY FRAMEWORK FOR NUCLEAR ELECTRICITY GENERATION IN KENYA EXPRESSION OF INTEREST FOR PROVISION OFCONSULTING SERVICES FOR THE PREPARATION OF A FIFTEEN (15) YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN www.kplc.co.ke/index.php?id=126Now I understand Kamale saying the guy promised Kenya hosting Olympics in 2003 and now ten years later he is not an expert in sports but in nuclear!
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Post by kasuku on Apr 13, 2012 16:51:22 GMT 3
I, Kasuku's comments are in Blockquote Business News Nuclear power team seeks an additional Sh300m per year The team mandated to develop the country’s nuclear power plant is seeking an additional Sh300 million every year in budgetary allocation, to fund staff training. I knew this theatrical will cost Kenyan Tax payers money that will go down the drain This will bring the amount allocated annually to the Nuclear Electricity Project Committee to Sh500 million. A very good Sum of pocket money for some Individuals The committee has a secretariat of 42 staff, and is in the process of increasing the number to 53. And who are those and what for are they paid for?
The Government expects to have an operational nuclear power plant to provide 1,700MW by 2022. Mhm…does that mean that till 2022 they will still pay the secretariat the sh500 (plus 25% annually) inclusive another 25% every 3 years, or so, for the Nuclear agency consultation...not to mention the costs of the Nuclear powerplant turnkey, Experts from the International nuclear plant Agency and for the costs of building nuclear waste plants, etc.?
“The additional funds will go into various training institutions like University of Nairobi to increase scholarships for those to be trained in various aspects of operating nuclear plants,” the Nuclear committee chairman, Mr. Ochilo Ayako, told the Parliamentary Committee on Energy, Transport and Communications on Thursday. Why do they need more funding for education when we (as stated below) already have so many MASTERS and EXPERTS trained with the money already allocated to them? The MPs had summoned the nuclear committee to interrogate them on their workings, funding, and safety in light of the developed countries shifting to other sources of energy. And they got Bull-dung for an answer, I hope they know this and will stop this embarrassing thing going on shamelessly sucking the Taxpayers pockets dry.
Mr. Ayako said there are already 15 master’s degree students at University of Nairobi and another six undertaking advanced nuclear-related studies at Korea International Nuclear Graduate School, South Korea in partnership with the government at a cost of Sh140 million. The master degree isn’t experience to rely on as if it was in garden-landscaping and which of the two Government is paying the sh140 million…actually can somebody get a report with facts and figures of all what the committee told the parliament?
Last month, the government also entered an agreement jointly with the International Atomic Energy Agency to fund a 2.3 million euros (Sh252 million) training programme for the required experts. JA sure…What for do they need extra training when they are being trained in Universities and have masters? As I mentioned above I want to see facts and figures. The language they are using here isn’t understandable…Mara, they have scholarships…Mara they have masters from them…lakini Mara they need extra money to train the masters to be even more mastery….Ala! My Conclusion…through this baby explanation from the kenya nuclear team, you see how Kenya has being dubbed, yet again into another fiction Project....An Atomberg?
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Post by podp on Aug 9, 2012 10:16:30 GMT 3
birds of a feather.... www.mwakilishi.com/content/articles/2012/08/08/raila-odinga-nairobi-planning-to-bid-for-2024-olympics.htmlRaila Odinga: Nairobi Planning to Bid for 2024 Olympics By Mwakilishi | Wed, 08/08/2012 03:46PM -0400 . Kenya's capital Nairobi is planning to bid for the 2024 Olympics and become the first African city to host the Games, the prime minister said on Wednesday. "Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga, speaking at the Kenya National House today, announced that the Republic of Kenya will be starting the process of pitching to host the Games of the 33rd Olympiad in 2024," a Kenya House announcement said. "If successful, these Games will be the first ever held in Africa." The International Olympic Committee will elect the 2024 host city in 2017, with official campaigning to start two years earlier. There have been African bids in the past, most recently with Egypt's Cairo unsuccessfully bidding for the 2008 Olympics that were awarded to Beijing. South Africa's Cape Town had also bid for the 2004 Games, staged by Athens. The country did, however, host the 2010 soccer World Cup, the first to be held on the African continent. The 2016 Olympics will be held in Rio de Janeiro - the first in South America - while Tokyo, Madrid and Istanbul are bidding for the 2020 Games, with a decision to be taken next year.
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Post by kasuku on Aug 9, 2012 12:52:36 GMT 3
I wish we could stay on one energy thread. This should have been posted in "This is not a joke..."
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Post by roughrider on Aug 9, 2012 17:28:49 GMT 3
This is the thread where it is safe to call people 'idiots'. In fact an earlier interlocutor used the phrase 'porridge head'. Anyway, it is not without some reluctance that I beg permission to post the views of another 'idiot' here:Bring the next games to KenyaBy Muchiri Waititu
The writer is a director at AIA and Vice-chair of the AAK’s Chapter of Construction Project Management.www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000063635&pageNo=3“The Olympics are the most significant generator of investment and private equity in the world today”.?— Andrew Young, leader of the successful Atlanta Olmpics bid. No news is bigger currently than the Olympics news. After four years of wondering what the English could do to top the ‘out of this world’ experience of the Beijing Olympics, the answer was surprising and reassuring in equal measure. Beijing needed to announce its arrival as a world superpower and had brought out its superstars; high technology, order and ancient history. The opening ceremony showcased the invention of gunpowder and rocket technology and used the backdrop of the Beijing National Stadium dubbed the ‘Bird’s-nest’ to show the world that they were now in the league of superpower states. To do this, a ceremony full of technological feats was achieved with the now iconic Li Ning flying through the stadium to light the Olympic flame. London’s answer to Li Ning’s gravity defying feat was very telling. Instead of doing a sci-fi movie, the London games brought in Mr Bean and made us laugh. The organisers played on the strong points of the English, a rich history as the originators of the Magna Carta and the creators of the Industrial age and the Internet. Just to remind us that London was still inventing stuff and remains relevant, the opening ceremony also showcased its status as a premier cultural centre as well as a melting pot of various cultures. Where else do you get nationals with surnames such as Ofuoma, Jones and Singh flying the same flag (apart from Kenya)? National prideBuildings, just like the opening ceremony, are an expression of who we are. Together with art, theatre and literature, they tell our story only that they are in brick and mortar and that we actually have to live in them. This is why we take such great pride when we build our own houses. This is also why whenever we want to show how we are advancing as a nation, we talk about the latest skyscrapers and take visitors on a ride on Thika Super Highway. The local example to all this is our very own Kasarani Stadium, which was built specifically for the 1987 All African Games. Also built for these games were the Nyayo Stadium Basketball and Handball arenas as well as the swimming pool and the City Park Hockey Pitch. I do not know how much architectural expression went into the projects, but they still serve as great sporting arenas to date. The greatest legacy of all these great sporting occasions is always going to be the athlete’s village. Long after the flame has been doused and the mursik has been offered at the airport, the villages remain as the most memorable legacy of any games. This is why I like the ring of ‘All African Games, Nairobi 2019’, ‘World Student Games/ Universiade 2019’ or ‘2022 Commonwealth Games’. These games each bring about 9,000 and 19,000 athletes to the host nation. I won’t bore you with the marketing issues the games bring to the host nation or the excitement of watching our athletes strut in a world arena. Mine is more mundane brick and mortar. Host goodiesA quick glance at former Olympics host cities, Vancouver, Beijing, Athens and Sydney tells a story not usually told. A typical Olympic village will hold at least 18,000 people. To house them, the host city usually constructs a Village, which usually reverts to public use after the games. In most cases, the village is usually in the form of apartment complex, which is sold to the public after fulfilling its initial mandate. In Vancouver, the city turned them into rental units run by the city whilst the Beijing apartments were sold off to the public. The Vancouver Village also presented the City with its chance to transform a neglected part to give it some vibrancy. Game spectacles give the host nation what the management gurus call ‘tunnel focus’. You announce to the world that you will have a great tournament in a certain date in the future and thereupon use up all your energies meeting this deadline. You cannot postpone the date, you cannot fail to deliver on your promise (please don’t remind me that the 1987 games were supposed to be held in 1983) and delivery failure to on any component of the games leaves you open to ridicule (ask any Indian about the Delhi Commonwealth Games). It’s like having Vision 2030 with a guest list of VIPs ready to show up on January 1, 2030. You simply cannot fail to deliver!So, say if Nairobi were to host any of the games listed above, we would already have an excuse to do an urban renewal of the entire old Eastlands. Here we would put up modern high-rise apartment structures with world-class infrastructure and in a masterstroke, double the entire annual housing stock whilst creating employment. In another masterstroke, we could also build another world-class stadium (and then lease it to my beloved Gor Mahia) with the ability of hosting concerts and other cultural activities. All these would be achieved within a defined time frame. There are many great things happening in this country; we have discovered oil, we have a new Constitution and we have greatest athletes in the world. Let us now give them a tournament that shows our rebirth. It will give us a great party as well as a great place to live in thereafter.
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Post by podp on Aug 9, 2012 17:53:44 GMT 3
I wish we could stay on one energy thread. This should have been posted in "This is not a joke..." seconded so as to preserve this thread for idiot
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Post by einstein on Aug 9, 2012 20:27:43 GMT 3
I wish we could stay on one energy thread. This should have been posted in "This is not a joke..." seconded so as to preserve this thread for idiot Nope, I think all discussions about nuclear energy should be posted on the thread below since that is where it all started! jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2668But I understand, everyone wants discussions to take place ONLY on threads generated by oneself even if that amounts to multiplicity of threads on the same subject! How shallow!!
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Post by podp on Sept 7, 2012 14:03:45 GMT 3
seconded so as to preserve this thread for idiot Nope, I think all discussions about nuclear energy should be posted on the thread below since that is where it all started! jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2668But I understand, everyone wants discussions to take place ONLY on threads generated by oneself even if that amounts to multiplicity of threads on the same subject!How shallow!! how is the whispering campaign progressing? who is after who? explain in simple words instead of telling me to read tea leaves i.e. join the dots when I am blind and need a good guide like you at whispering directions
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