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Post by kamalet on Apr 8, 2011 18:53:31 GMT 3
Here is the final shortlist for the post of DPP:
Keriako Tobiko Okong’o Mogeni John Oriri Onyango Dorcas Oduor Patrick Kiage Ms Wambui Njogu Mathews Nderi Nduma Wilfred N. Nderitu Alice Osebe Ondieki Richard Bush Obwocha Onsongo Justus Momanyi Bwonwonga John Nyaga Gacivih Paul Muriithi Mwangi
Notable failures to make the cut were former COE member Otiende Omollo and the only applicant Judge Justice Nicholas Ombija.
Those keen on counting numbers will have noticed that only 2 women made the cut out of the 13 shortlisted. And for the tribal statisticians, note that there are 4 kisiis, 6 kikuyus, 2 luos and 1 maasai.
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 8, 2011 19:02:34 GMT 3
Here is the final shortlist for the post of DPP: Keriako Tobiko Okong’o Mogeni John Oriri Onyango Dorcas Oduor Patrick Kiage Ms Wambui Njogu Mathews Nderi Nduma Wilfred N. Nderitu Alice Osebe Ondieki Richard Bush Obwocha Onsongo Justus Momanyi Bwonwonga John Nyaga Gacivih Paul Muriithi Mwangi Notable failures to make the cut were former COE member Otiende Omollo and the only applicant Judge Justice Nicholas Ombija. Those keen on counting numbers will have noticed that only 2 women made the cut out of the 13 shortlisted. And for the tribal statisticians, note that there are 4 kisiis, 6 kikuyus, 2 luos and 1 maasai. Anything about there qualifications other than their tribes?
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Post by kamalet on Apr 8, 2011 19:04:23 GMT 3
Here is the final shortlist for the post of DPP: Keriako Tobiko Okong’o Mogeni John Oriri Onyango Dorcas Oduor Patrick Kiage Ms Wambui Njogu Mathews Nderi Nduma Wilfred N. Nderitu Alice Osebe Ondieki Richard Bush Obwocha Onsongo Justus Momanyi Bwonwonga John Nyaga Gacivih Paul Muriithi Mwangi Notable failures to make the cut were former COE member Otiende Omollo and the only applicant Judge Justice Nicholas Ombija. Those keen on counting numbers will have noticed that only 2 women made the cut out of the 13 shortlisted. And for the tribal statisticians, note that there are 4 kisiis, 6 kikuyus, 2 luos and 1 maasai. Anything about there qualifications other than their tribes? ....I did not realise that qualifications matter in this country!
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 8, 2011 19:09:13 GMT 3
Anything about there qualifications other than their tribes? ....I did not realise that qualifications matter in this country! I understand. Thank you.
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Post by mosop on Apr 8, 2011 20:17:01 GMT 3
John Oriri Onyango is a man of integrity and has vast experience as public prosecutor. I hope he gets to be the new DPP. It also helps that he is from a minority tribe (Suba).
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Post by gachquota on Apr 8, 2011 20:19:36 GMT 3
Wat iz it with tribes yawa...sitop it
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Post by job on Apr 8, 2011 20:23:34 GMT 3
Here is the final shortlist for the post of DPP: Keriako Tobiko Okong’o Mogeni John Oriri Onyango Dorcas Oduor Patrick Kiage Ms Wambui Njogu Mathews Nderi Nduma Wilfred N. Nderitu Alice Osebe Ondieki Richard Bush Obwocha Onsongo Justus Momanyi Bwonwonga John Nyaga Gacivih Paul Muriithi Mwangi Notable failures to make the cut were former COE member Otiende Omollo and the only applicant Judge Justice Nicholas Ombija. Those keen on counting numbers will have noticed that only 2 women made the cut out of the 13 shortlisted. And for the tribal statisticians, note that there are 4 kisiis, 6 kikuyus, 2 luos and 1 maasai. On a very serious note, I'm completely disappointed at the quality of this list. Forget Kamale's obsession with tribes. The Johhny-come-lately water-melons and Reds are bamboozling the implementation of the new constitution...clogging all job applications and appointments - to continue with business as usual! This is a shameful travesty! The new DPP shall be independent of the Attorney General, and will be the one required to investigate all crimes (including serious ones like drug trafficking, corruption and - in PNU's dream, even the PEV including the ICC cases). I already see grid-lock and a stolen dream, regarding the aspiration to reform the Judiciary. This is a lost opportunity! It's not yet time for reform in the Judiciary!
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Post by destiny on Apr 9, 2011 9:53:26 GMT 3
I use the services of Bwana Nderitu whenever I need legal services. I'm not surprised he's come this far. What a guy! What a professional! You simply can't make these stuff up!
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Post by man on Apr 9, 2011 11:16:26 GMT 3
I'm rooting for Mr. Okong’o Omogeni to be the new DPP.
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Post by commes on Apr 9, 2011 11:34:19 GMT 3
I'm rooting for Mr. Okong’o Omogeni to be the new DPP. I am interested to know why you are rooting for Mr. Okong'o just appreciate some of your reasons.
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Post by man on Apr 9, 2011 13:47:36 GMT 3
I'm rooting for Mr. Okong’o Omogeni to be the new DPP. I am interested to know why you are rooting for Mr. Okong'o just appreciate some of your reasons. Other than being an upright lawyer, Mr. Omogeni has a very successful stint as the LSK chair. You will also remember the time when Kibaki uilaterally re-appointed Justice Ringera for another term at KACA without the board approval. Mr Omogeni was the chairman of the KACA board at the time and he led the revolt against Kibaki which ensured that the Director of KACA was appointed in a transparent and competitive manner. With thsi brief background at KACA I think he can complement the efforts of PLO Lumumba in prosecutieng corruption cases if the is selected as the next DPP
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Post by tom on Apr 9, 2011 15:06:36 GMT 3
Keriako Tobiko Okong’o Mogeni John Oriri Onyango Dorcas Oduor Patrick Kiage Ms Wambui Njogu Mathews Nderi Nduma Wilfred N. Nderitu Alice Osebe Ondieki Richard Bush Obwocha Onsongo Justus Momanyi Bwonwonga John Nyaga Gacivih Paul Muriithi Mwangi On a very serious note, I'm completely disappointed at the quality of this list. Forget Kamale's obsession with tribes. The Johhny-come-lately water-melons and Reds are bamboozling the implementation of the new constitution...clogging all job applications and appointments - to continue with business as usual! This is a shameful travesty! The new DPP shall be independent of the Attorney General, and will be the one required to investigate all crimes (including serious ones like drug trafficking, corruption and - in PNU's dream, even the PEV including the ICC cases). I already see grid-lock and a stolen dream, regarding the aspiration to reform the Judiciary. This is a lost opportunity! It's not yet time for reform in the Judiciary! Job I like the way you grace this forum with your informative contributions. I have also read your detailed dismissal of Kili10 and Tobiko here. But I think your statement today was a sweeping one. It portrays a very sad future. May you should let board know why you are reluctant and resigned over the the list above. By the Way the PM is said to have spoken well of Patrick Kiage. What do you guys know about him? And how about the rest of the Characters in that list.
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Post by job on Apr 9, 2011 19:05:49 GMT 3
Tom,I appreciate your comments but before I get to them, I'll deviate a bit. In a parallel thread on shortlisted candidates for the Chief Justice position, I expressed similar concern – that with the exception of Dr Willy Mutunga - the rest of the candidates were either establishment protégés of the business-as-usual mode or middle-ground outsiders likely to bulk to the executive's manipulative force. With guarded optimism therefore, I left some little hope for real change from that specific office of the CJ. I’m alive to the possibility that conservative status quo forces (in power) are very nervous at the possibility that Willy Mutunga becomes the next Chief Justice – he who previously declined a Kibaki offer for Judicial appointment into the old (still existing) rotten Judiciary. I can particularly predict that Kibaki will singularly stonewall this only hope (Mutunga) that progressives in Kenya can bank on to reform our Judiciary. I won’t be surprised at such lost opportunity since we are still stuck with Kibaki at the gate of these appointments. Could the PM (against all odds) negotiate for such an appointment? We shall see. In general – I've already seen that one of the problems besieging Judicial reforms is the preponderance of long-standing establishment nominees (re-applicants) who’ve faithfully served in the same rotten Judiciary for a long time. They're using the fallacious notion that - they have the right experience required for the job. Trouble is – it is a bad experience in the wrong system. You can’t teach an old dog, new tricks! Coming to the DPP short-list, I similarly saw other establishment candidates (starting with none other than the current DPP Keriako Tobiko) who were molded through the same rotten department. How many years have we heard about these Oriri Onyangos (Asst. DPP), John Gacivihs, Justus Bw’Onwongas (former DPP), Wambui Njogus, Dorcas Oduors, Alice Ondiekis and such in that same department? Will they suddenly find courage to start prosecuting what they’ve always known never to touch for decades? Chances are, they all have the wrong experience in a rotten system. That may sound quite a sweeping statement but in my opinion, it’s the sad reality. Even Patrick Kiage whom the Prime Minister is whispered to be rooting for has been in the same system. I’m told of a story that Patrick Kiage (as a private lawyer) used to be one of Amos Wako’s strongest public critics until Wako did the unprecedented. Wako appointed him (Patrick Kiage) four years ago to work under him as a Special Public Prosecutor ( on anti-corruption) – then handed him all the politically sensitive anti-corruption cases. Kiage has therefore acted and held brief for Wako for at least 4 years – he is even the one handling the Henry Kosgey corruption case. A friend tried to convince me that like Mutunga, Kiage is progressive Kenya’s last hope for the DPP, but I can’t find evidence (beyond doubt) of successful prosecutions from his 4 year record as a government Special Prosecutor. When we blame Amos Wako for not appealing the ruling on Saitoti’s Goldenberg case, shouldn’t the blame extend to Kiage as well? That was the basis of my reservation - I will however reluctantly give him the benefit of doubt (if picked) only because of out of that entire list, he appears the most vocal against corruption.The new constitutionally created DPP office needs a strong start to correct this lingering perception that it was a weak institution.
In my view, it needs fresh and bold blood. Complete independence and strong will (the kind that folks like John Githongo and Maina Kiai possess) are all that’s required for this crucial office if we are for instance to curb corruption and stop the continued slide into structural inequalities, extreme poverty and a distorted economy. [/color] We are plagued by big time corruption, impunity, massive and chronic land grabbing, drug trafficking and unprecedented violence (including extrajudicial executions) and the role of this office in curbing all these can’t be understated. In this office, we don’t need middle-ground, half-hearted prosecutors. That is exactly what Amos Wako was – always playing the “middle ground politics” in an attempt to please both sides. Wako said he would appeal the Goldenberg ruling sanitizing Saitoti (what the public wants to hear), but never did it (what the rotten establishment wanted). So whereas Kiage may be the better one in the list, I have reservations about having another middle-grounder in the DPP office. Lest I’m accused of brushing aside the “outsiders” from the private practice who’ve never worked at the State Law Office – Mathews Nduma, Richard Onsongo, Paul Muriithi Mwangi, and Wilfred Nderitu. To even think that an active PNU politician and 2007 contestant for Runyenjes parliamentary seat, Mathews Nduma, is a great idea for a DPP is a big joke. Paul Muriithi Mwangi, is a very active pro-PNU conservative political commentator who's never tired in expressing Raila-phobia and lately, Ocampo-phobia. [/b]He was very active during the 2007 election cycle. video.google.com/videoplay?docid=501092861057117182#I don’t prefer hot-blooded and partisan political junkies like Mwangi entering sensitive offices like the DPP. What I remember about former ICJ local chapter Chairman Wilfred Nderitu is that he wasn’t in favour of passing a new constitution – which has ironically created this new position (DPP) he’s applying for. My one minute search from news archives yielded me this below (I definitely know there’s more on his minimum-reforms, no Katiba stance). www.marsgroupkenya.org/multimedia/cache/cache_c21f969b5f03d33d43e04f8f136e7682_e320f4278f4087abababc0da1711152dYou know what – I suspected filling this DPP position was lost the moment I saw the nominating panel – Chaired by the “learned” Francis Atwoli {COTU's Atwoli, PS Kimemia, PS Amina Mohamed, Caroli Omondi, LSK’s Kenneth Akide and Florence Kajuju}. What more were we expected to get if not pro-establishment faces and middle-grounders in the short-list? That nominating panel was dominated by pro-establishment status-quoists, only dotted by ONE progressive Kenyan. Do you think they could have time for independent minded progressives like Otiende Amollo? I hope you get the gist of my grouse.
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Post by man on Apr 10, 2011 15:19:08 GMT 3
Tom,What more were we expected to get if not pro-establishment faces and middle-grounders in the short-list? That nominating panel was dominated by pro-establishment status-quoists, only dotted by ONE progressive Kenyan. Do you think they could have time for independent minded progressives like Otiende Amollo? I hope you get the gist of my grouse. I was also very suprised that a distinguished lawyer like Otiende Amolo failed to make the shortlist. ThenI remembered that I may have read somewhere that members of the Commitee of Experts are barred from vying for any constitutional offices in the new dispensation that they helpled usher in. If my recolletion is true then that provides a perfect explanation as to why Otiende Amolo did not make the cut. It also brings in the question as to why he even applied for the positon in the first place knowing too well that the new dispensatiion barred him from holding the postion.
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Post by job on Apr 10, 2011 15:53:49 GMT 3
Tom,What more were we expected to get if not pro-establishment faces and middle-grounders in the short-list? That nominating panel was dominated by pro-establishment status-quoists, only dotted by ONE progressive Kenyan. Do you think they could have time for independent minded progressives like Otiende Amollo? I hope you get the gist of my grouse. I was also very suprised that a distinguished lawyer like Otiende Amolo failed to make the shortlist. ThenI remembered that I may have read somewhere that members of the Commitee of Experts are barred from vying for any constitutional offices in the new dispensation that they helpled usher in. If my recolletion is true then that provides a perfect explanation as to why Otiende Amolo did not make the cut. It also brings in the question as to why he even applied for the positon in the first place knowing too well that the new dispensatiion barred him from holding the postion. Members of the CoE are barred from holding positions in Constitution Commissions like the CIC but are free to apply for other State positions such as the DPP. That's in the 6th schedule.
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Post by gachquota on Apr 10, 2011 18:23:30 GMT 3
Kilo 10 hayuko kwa list.....mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Post by Titchaz on Apr 10, 2011 20:40:27 GMT 3
Kilo 10 hayuko kwa list.....mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm He has his hands full at the Hague na unajua hio kitu ya Hague haishi leo!
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Post by dola121945 on Apr 10, 2011 20:45:32 GMT 3
Kilo 10 hayuko kwa list.....mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm He has his hands full at the Hague na unajua hio kitu ya Hague haishi leo! Ndugu Tichaz, Umenena ukweli, maneno ya Hague haitaisha hivi karibuni. Aache kuwa fisi, ambaye hutaka apitie kwa njia zote mbili, heri ajikaze aliko sasa hivi na kazi hiyo aiachie wenzake wajijaribie. It will be interesting to see who finally lands this job. As has been mentioned by Job et al, the persons who take up these very important roles need to be of high integrity and with moral conviction. We all know that in Kenya it is not easy taking up such roles. There are mighty BIG fish that need to be fried for the good of the Nation.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 11, 2011 9:54:53 GMT 3
Tom,You know what – I suspected filling this DPP position was lost the moment I saw the nominating panel – Chaired by the “learned” Francis Atwoli {COTU's Atwoli, PS Kimemia, PS Amina Mohamed, Caroli Omondi, LSK’s Kenneth Akide and Florence Kajuju}. What more were we expected to get if not pro-establishment faces and middle-grounders in the short-list? That nominating panel was dominated by pro-establishment status-quoists, only dotted by ONE progressive Kenyan. Do you think they could have time for independent minded progressives like Otiende Amollo? I hope you get the gist of my grouse. ....and the one and only "progressive Kenyan" on the panel is? ...Francis Atwoli??
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Post by owuorb on May 14, 2011 17:08:40 GMT 3
Lawyers Keriako Tobiko, Dorcas Oduor and Patrick Kiage nominated for the position of Director of Public Prosecution.
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Post by roughrider on May 14, 2011 17:37:20 GMT 3
Lawyers Keriako Tobiko, Dorcas Oduor and Patrick Kiage nominated for the position of Director of Public Prosecution. Now this is another one. Why haven't they organised televised interviews for us to watch? The premier league is effectively over and Man U has won. Man U vs. Barcelona is still a long way off. Ekaterina Trendafilova is rejecting all and any applications as a single judge. We need excitement! Will George Kegoro write coruscating pieces on each of these three? Kibaki must be writhing in embarrassment that his nominee Kioko Kilokumi was not even given serious thought. And just what is wrong with Keriako Tobiko. He could not even win a simple theft case against Ruto et al., and he still wants the job? No way! That narrows it all down to a two-horse race.
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Post by adongo23456 on May 14, 2011 17:39:25 GMT 3
Lawyers Keriako Tobiko, Dorcas Oduor and Patrick Kiage nominated for the position of Director of Public Prosecution. I saw the story. Who nominated these folks? The JSC? When did they conduct the interviews? Anyway personally I have very little expectation for the prosecutorial aspect of our legal reforms. It will take a very long time. I don't care about any of those folks. Nobody there will make any difference. The presecutorial aspect will start with police reforms which is still a mirage at best. That is a war that is yet to start. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1162452/-/7s1gia/-/index.html
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Post by roughrider on May 14, 2011 17:53:16 GMT 3
Lawyers Keriako Tobiko, Dorcas Oduor and Patrick Kiage nominated for the position of Director of Public Prosecution. I saw the story. Who nominated these folks? The JSC? When did they conduct the interviews? Anyway personally I have very little expectation for the prosecutorial aspect of our legal reforms. It will take a very long time. I don't care about any of those folks. Nobody there will make any difference. The presecutorial aspect will start with police reforms which is still a mirage at best. That is a war that is yet to start. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1162452/-/7s1gia/-/index.htmlOn second thought, there may be something to be gained by appointing the woman among the three. Such jobs have been turned into male fiefdoms. Perhaps, by so doing, young girls will aspire to be prosecutors... this has nothing to do with the professional qualifications of Ms. Dorcas Oduor.
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Post by mzee on May 14, 2011 18:26:07 GMT 3
Why does the field not impress me. Seems that they went for the safe path of retaining those who were already there. I cant see these people making any meaningful changes, after all they have been in the business all along and have not realized anything tangible. Did someone (job?) not tell us of how Tobiko and kilokumi manupulate justice? I think that we have a bad choice here.
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Post by job on May 14, 2011 18:26:11 GMT 3
Lawyers Keriako Tobiko, Dorcas Oduor and Patrick Kiage nominated for the position of Director of Public Prosecution. The much celebrated progress in Judicary (Mutunga and Baraza's march towards office) had to be shortlived. Here comes the bitter after-taste.The biggest joke is that, heading the DPP short-list is the long-standing, lacklustre, establishment protégé called Keriako Tobiko who has never prosecuted any serious case of corruption since he assumed office many years ago. Tobiko is a well-known Tango-partner of Kioko Kilukumi - his former University room mate. This is how the corrupt system kills prosecution of big cases. In prosecuting corruption, a Kingpin criminal lawyer like Kioko Kilukumi - representing the crème de la crème of land grabbers, mega corruption dons, and drug traffickers, needs an insider partner at Sheria House (like Tobiko) to play the Tango of 'killing' cases. That is how we end up with absentee witnesses, hostile witnesses, weak prosecution arguments, dissapearing evidence, evidence tampering, and boy, even dissapearing witnesses. Isn't this exactly how William Ruto won his Ngong land fraud case?So while we voted for change - via a new constitution - we are hereby being given yet another dose of status quo in the form of Tobikos, Oduors, and Kiages. What a shame?Am I surprised at this shortlist? Absolutely not! Looking at the mediocre & conservative panel that presented these names (COTU's Francis Atwoli, PS Kimemia, PS Amina Mohamed, Caroli Omondi, LSK’s Kenneth Akide and Florence Kajuju) what more do we expect? This panel weeded out capable progressives of integrity, like Otiende Amollo and other similar calibre candidates even before this stage! That's where the disparity in performance between this panel (above) and the professional JSC comes out. This is a case where we've been presented with; the bad, the worse and the worst. The best we can end up with is the bad. It disturbs the mind a great deal to imagine that these three long-standing establishment nominees - Tobiko, Oduor, and Kiage - who’ve faithfully served in the same rotten Prosecution Department will spearhead the kind of reforms envisaged by Kenyans under the new constitution.Kibaki must be delighted this time, at least he has three conservative old hands who can ride under the fallacious notion - they have the right experience required for the job. Trouble is – it is a bad experience in the wrong system. Comparatively, between the three bad, worse and worst nominees, probably Patrick Kiage may be the better one, that is - the bad candidate. In my view, veteran insider Dorcas Oduor is worse, and obviously Keriako Tobiko the worst.We are frankly screwed up at this DPP office. In my opinion, I'm afraid all the three will not suddenly find courage to start prosecuting what they’ve always known never to touch. Even Patrick Kiage whom the Prime Minister is whispered to be rooting for has been in the same system. As I said earlier in this thread, for four long years, Patrick Kiage has been the AG's Special Public Prosecutor specializing on anti-corruption. Despite being vocal against corruption, what does Kiage have to show tangibly in anti-corruption prosecution? Have we heard of any major corruption prosecutions? Did he succeed in fronting a genuine Appeal on Saitoti's Goldenberg ruling? Isn't this another PLO Lumumba hoax in the making? So, whereas I reluctantly hope Kiage (the better of the trio) gets it, I frankly think the DPP will need a better driver for reforms during the transition. This is exactly what I said of KACC during PLO Lumumba's appointment. Like the KACC, change is nowhere near the DPP. This (DPP office) will remain unfinished business into the future.Unlike the Chief Justice and Deputy, where we seem to be heading in the right direction, this new constitutionally created DPP office, will need very strong-willed leadership for us to complete reforms we envisage. Let's remember it's no longer the AG who will be heading prosecutions, it is the DPP. In this office, we needed (in my view), fresh and bold blood leadership from the outside. Complete independence and strong will, the kind possessed by fellows like John Githongo and Maina Kiai -folks who will not hesitate to prosecute big time corruption, land grabbing, drug trafficking and unprecedented extrajudicial executions. Folks who aren't afraid of the William Rutos of this world. Folks who can stand up to the Presidency without budging. The role of this DPP office can’t be understated.
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