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Post by phil on Nov 19, 2012 13:01:42 GMT 3
I hope Nairobians are not going to elect WANJIRU as the governor, this should be a technocrat seat not a politician like Bishop Wanjiru, why announce it at church in the first place..... Exactly my thoughts. This must be a joke of the year. The 'dr. bishop' is now pushing her luck too far. Nairobi deserves better. Like you, I too did not understand why it had to be done in a church in the manner that it was done as if in a political baraza. You can see the politician in Wanjiru but see none in Mbaru or Waititu? You guys are so shameless at times. I shudder to imagine some of these clueless diasporans will be voting this time around. There are qualifications required for the governor and his/her running mate. If Wanjiru qualifies, then by all means let her run. It's Nairobians to decide if she fits the bill or not..
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Post by kamalet on Nov 19, 2012 13:13:32 GMT 3
Phil
Can you not see they are rooting for the guy you previously rooted for - Kidero - when they ask for a technocrat rather than a politician like Wanjiru?
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Post by phil on Nov 19, 2012 14:59:45 GMT 3
Phil Can you not see they are rooting for the guy you previously rooted for - Kidero - when they ask for a technocrat rather than a politician like Wanjiru? You and me know those to gents up there are not rooting for ANY ODM candidate. We will compare notes on this after nominations by political parties. Am informed that there is a BIG WIG who has his/her sights on the Nairobi gubernatorial seat.
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Post by joblesscorner on Nov 19, 2012 17:35:30 GMT 3
Phil, When it comes to Gubernatorial, I dont follow suit, Bishop Wanjiru is in for power and influence, not for Nairobi the economy hub of Eastern Africa. Phil Can you not see they are rooting for the guy you previously rooted for - Kidero - when they ask for a technocrat rather than a politician like Wanjiru? You and me know those to gents up there are not rooting for ANY ODM candidate. We will compare notes on this after nominations by political parties. Am informed that there is a BIG WIG who has his/her sights on the Nairobi gubernatorial seat.
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 19, 2012 19:18:48 GMT 3
I hope Nairobians are not going to elect WANJIRU as the governor, this should be a technocrat seat not a politician like Bishop Wanjiru, why announce it at church in the first place..... Do not be silly. The Nairobi office is too important to be left to technocrats. It is the training ground for future presidents of the republic. The most complicated governorship! a technocrat will not have the guts to tell the President that, because his motorcade causes traffic jams for hard working Kenyans, he has banned it. So the president can either travel three cars, or move from Nairobi! A politician governor looks at the president as another resident worker in the great city! Technocrats will assist the governor, and the best governor will know to recruit THE BEST TECHNOCRATS! That is the way the world works. Kidero can be employed by Wanjiru to to install and manage a new sewage system, and get rid of eye-sore dump-sights like the heap at Dandora!
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Post by joblesscorner on Nov 19, 2012 19:42:31 GMT 3
From world cities that have been successful and have failed are like Greece, Italy and cities that have been successful ran by technocrats are Singapore, Hongkong, Newyork. Being a Governor in Nairobi needs more than just brains and integrity. he/she needs a strong political backing, clear external constraint, widely accepted in karen, Muthaiga,kwa Njenga, kibera et cetera by both the public and other political parties. All am saying Bishop Wanjiru does not fit my Bill. I hope Nairobians are not going to elect WANJIRU as the governor, this should be a technocrat seat not a politician like Bishop Wanjiru, why announce it at church in the first place..... Do not be silly. The Nairobi office is too important to be left to technocrats. It is the training ground for future presidents of the republic. The most complicated governorship! a technocrat will not have the guts to tell the President that, because his motorcade causes traffic jams for hard working Kenyans, he has banned it. So the president can either travel three cars, or move from Nairobi! A politician governor looks at the president as another resident worker in the great city! Technocrats will assist the governor, and the best governor will know to recruit THE BEST TECHNOCRATS! That is the way the world works. Kidero can be employed by Wanjiru to to install and manage a new sewage system, and get rid of eye-sore dump-sights like the heap at Dandora!
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Post by raiswakesho on Nov 19, 2012 20:54:26 GMT 3
where is lady Passaris? Nairobi needs someone who's result oriented, well polished and an independent thinker.
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Post by joblesscorner on Nov 19, 2012 21:11:35 GMT 3
Rais wa Kesho,Please add Esther Passaris as a friend on your social media facebook account read her status, then let me know if you really think she is fit to be the Governor. Last time I check, some time last week, she is not interested for a seat and she regrets listening to her advisors on using her kikuyu name when vying for Embakasi, she believes that is why she lost. where is lady Passaris? Nairobi needs someone who's result oriented, well polished and an independent thinker.
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 19, 2012 21:47:47 GMT 3
From world cities that have been successful and have failed are like Greece, Italy and cities that have been successful ran by technocrats are Singapore, Hongkong, New york. Being a Governor in Nairobi needs more than just brains and integrity. he/she needs a strong political backing, clear external constraint, widely accepted in Karen, Muthaiga,kwa Njenga, kibera et cetera by both the public and other political parties. All am saying Bishop Wanjiru does not fit my Bill. Singapore and Hongkong I doubt. The mayors/governors of those cities were under direct rule by despots who had given very concise plans of what was to be done. [Kew Yuan of Singapore even organised sex dates for his top bureaucrats I am told! --he discovered sex as bonus motivates more than cash-bonus at certain salary scales]. The HongKong fellow was under the boot of Beijing, at least after the re-unification. But yes, those two cities have boasted very competent administrations, but under determined political supervision! New York? I do not remember anybody who ever became mayor of governor of that city or state who did not entertain presidential ambitions! Even this Bloomberg fellow is positioning himself! --that is how they read his endorsement of how Obama handled Sandy, the watery girl who came calling just before the elections. The Great Mario Cuomo never ran coz word was he was cosy with the Mafia. Cosy was code for he was in their pocket. Nobody in his right mind would want to end his career in New York ;D. Even Hillary came just to use NY as a stepping stone!That is how I see Nairobi. That is how I see Mexico city! But it is the season of feeble breeds in Kenya, so a technocrat will do for Governor. Wanjiru is not my choice neither. My heart was with Peter Kenneth on this one. But anyway I wont be voting in Nairobi county. Tell me more about Esther [Pessaris]! ;D
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Post by raiswakesho on Nov 19, 2012 22:53:18 GMT 3
Who still remembers Moi's DREAM TEAM? Dr. Leakey is probably old by now, what of Martin Oduor-Otieno? The CEO of Equity Bank Dr. James Mwangi? I'm craving for someone with a proven record, one who is ready to put in the hours needed to get the job done not the everyday politician who prefers to be popular in bars and clubs. I'm looking for someone who has no problem sitting behind a desk for long hours transacting the people's business, someone who hates corruption like we hate death, someone with a vision second to none... i'm not sure I've seen that person yet!
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Post by Mukwhasi on Nov 20, 2012 1:07:13 GMT 3
I don't think we need a county in a Metropolitan city like Nairobi! From a public Administration background, we have City,Town,Municipal and County councils, Since Nairobi already has a City Govt., why would you want to replace it with County? If you look at other world class city they are run by Mayor's. eg Chicago, NewYork, Brisbane, Calgary, Dubai, Mexico City et cetera.They should have left the City alone to be managed by a mayor,just like other world capitals, but elect him directly. www.citymayors.com/sections/mayors_content.html Think broadly and beyond the CBD and close proximity ,remember NBO used to be a province and that is the heirachy that is being replaced by county government.We do not have to copy everything from the west we can come up with our own customized structures for as long as service is delivered.
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Post by joblesscorner on Nov 20, 2012 1:19:38 GMT 3
Mukwasi, Have you read any Party Manifesto on Nairobi county, please do, it is a Zerox from the west. I don't think we need a county in a Metropolitan city like Nairobi! From a public Administration background, we have City,Town,Municipal and County councils, Since Nairobi already has a City Govt., why would you want to replace it with County? If you look at other world class city they are run by Mayor's. eg Chicago, NewYork, Brisbane, Calgary, Dubai, Mexico City et cetera.They should have left the City alone to be managed by a mayor,just like other world capitals, but elect him directly. www.citymayors.com/sections/mayors_content.html Think broadly and beyond the CBD and close proximity ,remember NBO used to be a province and that is the heirachy that is being replaced by county government.We do not have to copy everything from the west we can come up with our own customized structures for as long as service is delivered.
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Post by phil on Nov 22, 2012 20:11:59 GMT 3
Thank you very much TNA, we are already registered and looking forward to defeating you guys at the ballot. For a strategic county like Nairobi, is this the best TNA can offer? Surely....ODM may as well be handed the seats. My DNA is NOT TNA
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Post by Fahari on Nov 25, 2012 8:27:57 GMT 3
JUST IN : Starehe MP Bishop Margaret Wanjiru announces her intention to run for Nairobi governorship on an ODM ticket. Wanjiru now joins Evans Kidero and Philip Kisia among others as candidates aspiring for the coveted ODM ticket. Haha! the daily nation has withdrawn a long article which analysed the ethnic composition of Nairobi, and how the strategists in all parties plan to coin up the winning summation!There was even a inside look at the House of Mumbi intrigue: Kirinyaga-Muranga Nyeri and Kiambu-Nairobi coalitions, respectively Mbaru, Muriuki and Waititu! and how Wanjiru's entry complicates the Gikuyu ethnic math! And how the kingmakers are the Kamba, at 19% Nairobi! It was, if true, a revelatory look into the minds of the ideologues of the current political big five. And really why their time is gone! A Balkanised Nairobi! = Beirut city! Was someone scared of the picture painted? www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Wanjiru-joins-race-for-Nairobi-governor-seat/-/1064/1623178/-/jb63o7z/-/index.htmlThe nation ethnic math was spot on but its the elephant in the room when it comes to nairobi politics. Its those calculations, done in smoke filled back rooms, that inform ODM to shun the well educated kidero for a charlatan like wanjiru and that's how sonko got to pitia kati kati. When it comes to Nairobi, the party or ethnicity is a paramount. Now, if kidero was in TNA, he would probably be seating pretty. My dream president is PK but barring a miracle it 'ain't happening' so I'm hoping he gets to be governor of either muranga or nairobi i am sure he will do wonders and the presidential race afterwards will be forever changed!! For the benefit of those who didn't see my earlier post please check out this story on security and mull over this, people are operating businesses till 10.30 PM and walking home safely in deep muranga while others are dying of insecurity in the neighboring constituency.
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Post by kamalet on Nov 26, 2012 11:03:13 GMT 3
Who still remembers Moi's DREAM TEAM? Dr. Leakey is probably old by now, what of Martin Oduor-Otieno? The CEO of Equity Bank Dr. James Mwangi? I'm craving for someone with a proven record, one who is ready to put in the hours needed to get the job done not the everyday politician who prefers to be popular in bars and clubs. I'm looking for someone who has no problem sitting behind a desk for long hours transacting the people's business, someone who hates corruption like we hate death, someone with a vision second to none... i'm not sure I've seen that person yet! ....and John Gakuo is your man. In the meantime, here is Kidero making the usual mistakes:
Nairobi governor aspirant Evans Kidero has picked John Kiarie popularly known as KJ to be his running mate. Kidero made the decision after consulting with key advisers and campaigners. According to sources, the choice was made based on the need for regional balance, demographics and professional competences. KJ's choice has drawn a lot of attention from the social media with majority of those airing their views praising Kidero for giving a young person a chance to serve. "We believe KJ will bring in a lot of value and since Kidero wants to be a mentor KJ will certainly be one of the people who will benefit from that mentor ship programme," said Kidero's chief campaigner George Wainaina. KJ who rose to fame as a comedian, contested and lost the Dagoretti parliamentary seat to cabinet Minister Beth Mugo in the 2007 general elections. "Young people need to be represented in the leadership of the country especially because older politicians are scheming to make the senate their retirement home," said KJ yesterday when contacted. Kidero has also brought to his team Regional Development minister Fred Gumo. Gumo is yet to officially announce the seat he will vie for. For the position of women representative the former MD of Mumias has picked Judith Atsyiao, the ODM women league chair. It is also understood that Kidero is talking to a lady Muslim lawyer based in the city and only identified as a miss Asha to be the county speaker. Kidero is battling to be the first governor of the city on an ODM ticket. His challengers for the party ticket are former Nairobi town clerk Philip Kisia and Starehe MP Margaret Wanjiru. From the TNA side Kidero is facing competition from Businessman Jimnah Mbaru, Nairobi central Business district chairman Timothy Muriuki and Embakasi MP Ferdinand Waititu. www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-96943/nairobi-governor-hopeful-kidero-picks-kj-deputyIf his campaign manager is George Wainaina a former nominated councillor in Kiambu following his mad campaign for Uhuru in 2002 and whose commercial and integrity record is rather well known, then your man Kidero is doomed! KJ is even the wrong message to send to Nairobians trying to forget the other comedian called Sonko. People need to be serious about leadership!
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Nov 26, 2012 11:07:25 GMT 3
Kamale: I moved this posting from the other thread you had started on John Gakuo. That thread has been taken down:The best news of the weekend was the announcement that John Gakuo, the former town clerk of Nairobi will be contesting the Governors post and that his campaign launch will be sometime today. Gakuo is perhaps the best performing city administrator in nearly 30 years! He ismy definite first choice for the post as he is a proven quality! I am disappointed that he is being linked with TNA as I would have preferred an Independent running Gakuo that is not tied down by the political party stupidity we see in the mainstream parties. Kamalet PS. Apologies for not adding this to the already running Nairobi County thread.
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Post by kamalet on Nov 26, 2012 11:24:56 GMT 3
Kamale: I moved this posting from the other thread you had started on John Gakuo. That thread has been taken down:The best news of the weekend was the announcement that John Gakuo, the former town clerk of Nairobi will be contesting the Governors post and that his campaign launch will be sometime today. Gakuo is perhaps the best performing city administrator in nearly 30 years! He ismy definite first choice for the post as he is a proven quality! I am disappointed that he is being linked with TNA as I would have preferred an Independent running Gakuo that is not tied down by the political party stupidity we see in the mainstream parties. Kamalet PS. Apologies for not adding this to the already running Nairobi County thread. Oloo Rather impolite for not asking my reasons of starting a new thread especially since I was aware of a thread running on the topic and after I made an apology! This thread you are forcing me into is already polluted by partisan issues which I was hoping we can ran away from in discussing John Gakuo the person as opposed to rubbish on TNA/ODM candidates that is all over this thread. Thanks for killing it! Kamalet
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Post by phil on Nov 26, 2012 21:27:29 GMT 3
One important part of Gakuo's launch was the omission of which party he would be running on.
Gakuo is far much a candidate to consider than the likes of Waititu and Sonko. Am told Sonko is now targetting the Senate and Uhuru does not know whether to abandon ailing Beth Mugo or support Mbuvi Sonko.
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Post by jakaswanga on Dec 20, 2012 21:02:42 GMT 3
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 2, 2013 20:24:22 GMT 3
www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Parties-face-nominations-fall-out-/-/1064/1651974/-/3dhj70/-/index.htmlBarely a month then, has the retired army colonel lasted in this hot seat. Here is his ascendancy on comminique on Sept 20 2012. www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-1497/former-soldier-head-odm-elections-baordwww.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000073804&story_title=We%E2%80%99ve-no-sacred-cows-in-ODM,-leaders-assure The infighting reported here, between the ODM secretariat and her NEB, which led to the replacement of Maj. Dr. Henry Muthee Kathurima by Minister Franklin Bett can not be understated.--(In the shadows too was the elevation of MEDIA MOGHUL SK MACHARIA AND OLD CHARLES NJONJO to command posts, where they will join the ranks of big shots Githunguri and Kuguru in the Raila shadows). But this infighting is an affliction whose symptoms are only too obvious in the other parties too; as we saw in a riot in TNA's backyard, Kiambu, the other day. [you-tube video available on jukwaa, courtesy of no one other than the hawk-eyed reporter who keeps vigil thereabouts!] One of the perils these high-speed pre-election alliance and coalitional boats have to negotiate, especially in the huge urban areas with cosmopolitan constituencies, is the sharing out of spoils, seats, that is commonly called ' barwabar' in some part of the country. The lateness with which these coalitions have come, means in many cases they severely contradict the schemes of long-term planners who hit the ground long ago, and have already heavily invested in their campaigns, to seats of choice. Losses can be huge, financially. Take for instance Nairobi county. Kalonzo is under pressure from his backyard to, in exchange for his public endorsement of Raila, and agreeing to be the humble VP, demand a dowry in good faith. That is a quid pro quo, where ODM throws her weight behind a wiper, (Kamba) candidate for Nairobi county governor. (At a reputed 19% city population, you could say they have a point, mathematically speaking in ethnic monotone that is). This position/demand is a bomb. It would mean the neutralisation of heavyweights Wanjiru and Kidero, whose disgruntlement would surely lead to the seat being even more swing. A compromise would of course then be Mutinda as the running mate to Wanjiru. But it is also noted, that to keep Kidero in fold if it is decided to automatically grant Wanjiru the baton, the possibility of him being the bishop's running mate has been floated. Others on the other hand have opted that Kidero is overrated and insignificant, therefore Wanjiru's running mate must be a Luhya, to secure the Western block, to prevent a pro-Mudavadi haemorhage. Trying issues. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000073805&story_title=Kidero-gets-Raila%E2%80%99s-assurance-on-fair-party-nominations [Kidero's misfiring nerves needed soothing ] [But the school of technocracy seems to think Kidero and Muriuki [former chair of CBD] would have been the dream team, as far as competent goes.] 2. The other trouble is, If ODM insists on Governorship by virtue of the electoral pull of Bishop Wanjiru or other reasons, then the senate seat must go to Wiper as a consolation price, and as per the pact. Where does that leave city tough-man Fred Gumo who is expected to grind to dust bad-gal Elizabeth Ongoro at the nominations? Perhaps back to MP for Parklands constituency, or Wanjiru's running mate? A maze or a puzzle of infinite pieces. Trying issues. In the boardrooms, tensions have emerged that must lead to fall-outs. Do you 'tag' [reserve seats] for a party and a person or not? If so, where and where not? Nairobi Nakuru Mombasa yes? But Kisumu and Machakos not? [explain yourself!] Which blocks are then declared agreed monopolies safe from the co-wife's interference? And which counties are the free for alls where may the best be elected holds sway? Sensitive sensitive stuff. ---Let us assume civic seats is a low intensity conflict for the moment. This are the gory details of ethnic calculus once it becomes the primary mathematical aid for conjuring up wins. This is the practice in the kitchen where eggs are broken to make omelets; the abattoir where certain careers will have to be sacrificed at a late hour, to become beef for some political sausage. This meat-grinder is the undeniable reality, where the party leaders have their pet projects, the party machinery too with their vested interests, and, not to forget the most important, the money men (who for instance forced Kalonzo to join CORD over Jubilee) want their pound of flesh, all meet in an attempt to hoodwink the populace that the national interest is the meal in recipe, will throw up some very odious stenches as the kitchen heats up! And the doctorate spotting colonel Kathurima bites the dust. But he wont tell us why he was so hopelessly inadequate, will he? For Jubilee we now know, for instance, that Ruto told Mudavadi point blank that his backyard would only field URP candidates even if UDF was in the coalition. Lakwet nyo [or something like that] would have to support the first house, always. But that is just for starters. The recent poll that Waititu is the fellow to give Wanjiru a real run, has raised a headache of sorts for the court fixers of TNA.
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Post by raiswakesho on Jan 2, 2013 22:22:10 GMT 3
Thank you very much TNA, we are already registered and looking forward to defeating you guys at the ballot. For a strategic county like Nairobi, is this the best TNA can offer? Surely....ODM may as well be handed the seats. My DNA is NOT TNA Hon. Waititu & Hon. Sonko, seriously? Have these guys been endorsed by Hon. Uhuru Kenyatta? What kind of future do we expect to have under the leadership of these two gentlemen?
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 7, 2013 20:30:46 GMT 3
After the hullabaloo about the suspected bogus degrees of Bishop Wanjiru, I was thinking a major headache for ODM was sorting itself out unexpectedly. That Wanjiru would get the hint IEBC would disqualify her anyway, and bow out well ahead of time, to allow for a soft landing to be arranged for her by the party.
BUT NAY, YOU CANNOT RIG ME OUT THAT EASY, she more or less declared this weekend. RIGGED OUT, not disqualified because of sub-standard degree! SIGNS OF TROUBLE IF YOU ASK ME! Very high-stakes language.
To be rigged out smacks of the old KANU days when the party would find some excuse to bar the undesirables!
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 7, 2013 20:55:56 GMT 3
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 9, 2013 21:19:05 GMT 3
SMOOTHIES PLOTTING TO COOK FERDINAND WAITITU'S GOOSE
They say sometimes class conflict wears a disguise, even that of a benign and retiring country-club robe, but the clock and daggers tool-box underneath, which are her stock in trade, are perpetually on ignition mode. So whatever the appearance, the intense combat simply goes on by other means, usually a question of price dictated by economics.
And so we come to Uhuru Kenyatta's little Nairobi headache. His heart is to reserve it for Mbaru and kill off Waititu. His pledge is for fair and square contest! And heart and pledge may not produce the same requred result. What to do for a prisoner of his time?
When Ferdinand Waititu was arrested (for disowning Masai's in Kayole Nairobi), he seemed to have done himself in and sorted the issue out, and jubilation was loud in some quarters of TNA. The men who met in posh hotels to fund-raise and organise to unleash Mungiki on murder sprees in political reprisal, thought Waititu is not the man for the Nairobi gubernatorial ticket. That he is dirty, a thug, and lowly! Good for throwing stones like his fellow Luo Gor supporters, and that is just about all the use one can have for him! --Goes the snob's nose.
Now there is the beauty of politics too; the pot calling the kettle black with no sense of irony! Or like in Old Rome, hypocrisy is the blood that flows in the body of politics. {And occasionally needs wars to drain too much of it out. And so the preponderance of war and bloodletting in history, as a corrective mechanism. [So that hypocrisy is reduced to the grease that oils the wheels of politics].}
But now for the power-brokers of TNA, what to do in an open and square fight, if their own secret polls confirm Waititu is no public walk-over?
If Kamalet (who may or may not know) takes his fifth amendment in concordance with the famous oaths within the house of Mumb ;Di, we will just have to rely on periscopal perusing of the horizon, to get a glimpse of what is cooking in the kitchen, that must count for Ferdinand's goose being cooked!
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