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Post by b6k on Sept 19, 2011 18:41:58 GMT 3
Clearly domestic violence cuts both ways. But what would cause an MP (who happens to be an Assistant Minister from a "progressive" party) to beat her husband to the point of having him admitted to the HDU? For the record, I believe spousal abuse of any kind is reprehensible & should be condemned by all. When it gets physical, its time for the abused party to leave the abuser, no questions asked! www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/40870-ongoros-husband-admitted-after-wife-beating
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Post by Mr Defence on Sept 19, 2011 18:53:17 GMT 3
Is Maendeleo Ya Wanaume aware of this terrible transgression? By the way to become an MP in Nairobi you need to be tough...yaani hardened kabisa.....so what befell Mr. Ongoro is not entirely surprising
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Post by kamalet on Sept 19, 2011 19:28:36 GMT 3
....and quickly denied by the 'victim'
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Post by b6k on Sept 19, 2011 20:23:20 GMT 3
Mr Defence, Mwaendeleo ya mwana-who? Does such a thing exist in KE?
Kamale, I did see a retraction of sorts. It could've been a camera trick but the hubby looks much smaller than Liz. He was also quite starved, food wise, for someone who's been in hospital since Thursday. Purely based on footage as seen on the tube. I could be wrong...
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Post by mrembo on Sept 19, 2011 21:36:23 GMT 3
b6k,
The title of your thread is misleading.Just watched Mr Masha on teli and its obvious the lady is innocent.
Jaber & family Maseno.
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Post by Mr Defence on Sept 19, 2011 21:45:18 GMT 3
Mrembo Jaber!!,
I also watched the clip but where was the 'loving' wife to take his hubby home after discharge? Mr.Masha also doesn't seem remember how he got to hosi.......something is not adding up in this 'saga'! Plus most Kenyan men wouldn't admit being hammered after chewing a blackout from their spouses
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Post by b6k on Sept 19, 2011 22:30:55 GMT 3
Mrembo, as far as video footage I only watched it on the 19:00 news. As far as a write up on what happened I read that as per the link on Nairobi Star which matches the title of the thread. As it is alleged Ongoro refused to comment on the saga, the jury is still out on this. In my case, first source quote makes the title valid until proved otherwise.
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Post by einstein on Sept 19, 2011 22:58:33 GMT 3
b6k, The title of your thread is misleading.Just watched Mr Masha on teli and its obvious the lady is innocent. Jaber & family Maseno. If it is a man on the receiving end, gender based-violence (aka GBV) is a hoax ab initio. But if it were a woman, the whole story (GBV) would be gospel truth even without any investigation having been carried out! You can already see above the position taken by Jaber in solidarity with her gender. Good Heavens!! Bobby6Killer,There is something called Maendeleo Ya Wanaume in Kenya these days! It is supposed to checkmate Maendeleo Ya Wanawake! My friend, blame it on 'the battle of the sexes aka the gender wars' ;D ;D ;D
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Post by akinyi2005 on Sept 20, 2011 0:58:12 GMT 3
Not privy to the goings-on at the Ongoro residence but my hunch tells me that these two probably have a history of domestic violence. Unfortunately one of them ended up in hospital (this time) and the whole world now knows. obviously this is not a healthy situation especially for the children so let the man pack up and go.
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Post by phil on Sept 20, 2011 1:20:29 GMT 3
Mrembo, as far as video footage I only watched it on the 19:00 news. As far as a write up on what happened I read that as per the link on Nairobi Star which matches the title of the thread. As it is alleged Ongoro refused to comment on the saga, the jury is still out on this. In my case, first source quote makes the title valid until proved otherwise. b6k On this you are far out and obviously wrong. If you live in Kenya, its easy to establish whats factual and whats not. The fellow denied the story. You need to tell us what YOU know about it rather than publish sensational threads.
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Post by Titchaz on Sept 20, 2011 2:11:52 GMT 3
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Post by einstein on Sept 20, 2011 3:02:44 GMT 3
;D ;D ;D ;D! Okay, then let's blame it on the consumption of too much mnazi by bwana Masha in his Nairobi city residence! Beware, mnazi also causes black-outs like told by bwana Jamnazi while describing his own escapades in his song 'I'm not sober Odiero'!! Jamnazi: I Am Not Sober
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Post by akinyi2005 on Sept 20, 2011 3:27:18 GMT 3
aii, thought i would see a man all black and blue and bandaged from head to toe.....b6k please apologize to all those offended by what phil calls a sensational thread.
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Post by palaver on Sept 20, 2011 3:47:23 GMT 3
Haha......why are you guys shooting the messenger? b6k just posted what was on the star and all of a sadden he has to apologize for sensationalism? We all know that city mp's are tough and if any one of you followed the 2007 nominations process, and saw how she fought for the seat literally,then you will appreciate that these accusations are not out of the blue!
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 20, 2011 5:42:29 GMT 3
The fellow does not seem to have a home for himself and has to recant the story or go on the streets. Which Luo man wants to leave such opulence for Phil's Kisumu ndogo?
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Post by einstein on Sept 20, 2011 5:51:45 GMT 3
The fellow does not seem to have a home for himself and has to recant the story or go on the streets. Which Luo man wants to leave such opulence for Phil's Kisumu ndogo? Mwalimumkuu,Please stop displaying your level of ignorance to the whole public! Mr. Masha is no Luo!!
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Post by b6k on Sept 20, 2011 6:09:06 GMT 3
Phil/Akinyi, last time I checked I neither work for The Star nor am I one of their editors. If The Star got it wrong the onus is on them to retract the story & post those tiny two sentence apologies that the papers usually write once the damage is done. Someone can then post that on Jukwaa & debunk the link I posted above.
Why should I bother fact checking a story that's in the public domain? Allow me to quote from The Star:
"“The first item, a vase, missed him when he ducked. But the second object hit him and he rolled down the staircase. By the time he reached down the stairs, he was unconscious. The bodyguards were called in to rush him to hospital,” said the sources."
As you can see, they are also quoting "sources". The way that story reads it's as if a CCTV system is installed in the Ongoro household capturing all the fracas. The only thing that fits the bill of CCTV in a Kenyan household is a househelp. These are the people who "leak" your business to all & sundry.
Rather than attack me, the messenger, as clearly stated by Palaver, why not ask Elizabeth Ongoro to conduct her own damage control & talk to the press with her version of events?
Einstein, indeed I have heard of Maendeleo ya Wanaume. Thing is, going by gender posts on Jukwaa one would imagine men in KE do not need any such organization. Kudos to Elizabeth Ongoro for showing that we do need it.
Akinyi, also note that according to Citizen TV news last night, Masha has been admitted since last Thursday. That's plenty of time for a reconciliation of sorts to have taken place. As to his lack of bruises; maybe Ongoro needs to take better aim next time.
As Mwalimumkuu states, this Mr Masha fellow looks every bit the "kept husband". Let Ongoro come clean & prove she's not a Masha basher.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Sept 20, 2011 7:19:59 GMT 3
The fellow does not seem to have a home for himself and has to recant the story or go on the streets. Which Luo man wants to leave such opulence for Phil's Kisumu ndogo? If you are a male just look at the mirror and there you have your answer to your dammed stupid question. Who gave you permission to invoke Phils name in this saga? So what if the man is 'kept'? How is that your shauri? Again Its not about Phil!! Talk about Kisumu (ndogo) without mentioning the name of wana Jukwaa hovyo hovyo Who the heck are you! sheesh..
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Post by destiny on Sept 20, 2011 10:52:48 GMT 3
Did you see how the guy was munching his food on that hospital bed as if he has not eaten for ages? I really felt sorry for him. From his body language and the look in his eyes, he didn't seem to believe a word he was saying. Something is obviously very wrong in that homestead, not that I care that much. But anyone who is in public domain and gets a fat cheque as our leaders should not complain about public scrutiny.
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Post by phil on Sept 20, 2011 16:21:45 GMT 3
The problem with Ruto surrogates like Mwalimumtukutu is that they are easily excitable and very primitive. They sometimes call themselves warriors, sometime grab public land and engage in other acts of fraud.
Thus it is not a surprise that when they find a forum to air their frustrations, you will find them personalizing every other line they write because their ability to integrate with civilized and progressive minds is a great challenge.
Bure kabisa hii watu.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Sept 20, 2011 17:27:19 GMT 3
The problem with Ruto surrogates like Mwalimumtukutu is that they are easily excitable and very primitive.
Thus it is not a surprise that when they find a forum to air their frustrations, you will find them personalizing every other line they write
Bure kabisa hii watu. One thing I wont standis ad hominem attacks on my person. I will respond hard and often and it wont be pretty. I aim my attacks at the few idiots in power and their lickspittles (water carriers and what have you), and not at specifis names participating on this prestigious board. Talk about kisumu ndogo in whatever disparaging terms you want but dont get personal. I repeat dont get personal.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 20, 2011 17:50:32 GMT 3
The problem with Ruto surrogates like Mwalimumtukutu is that they are easily excitable and very primitive. They sometimes call themselves warriors, sometime grab public land and engage in other acts of fraud. Thus it is not a surprise that when they find a forum to air their frustrations, you will find them personalizing every other line they write because their ability to integrate with civilized and progressive minds is a great challenge. Bure kabisa hii watu. Habari ndugu yangu. Why all the blazing guns? Ni mbuzi ya nani nimekula? I have told you many times on this board that I hold no brief for any politician, they do not add any value to my life. If you find my views converging with some of the politicians' views, it is sheer coincidence. Not that it is bad to be anyone's surrogate, but it is bad if such motives are imputed on you based on a falacious premise and very creative imaginations. The less said about the other charlatan(s) the better.
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Post by Mr Defence on Sept 20, 2011 17:51:57 GMT 3
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Post by einstein on Sept 20, 2011 18:41:30 GMT 3
;D ;D ;D ;D! Okay, then let's blame it on the consumption of too much mnazi by bwana Masha in his Nairobi city residence! Beware, mnazi also causes black-outs like told by bwana Jamnazi while describing his own escapades in his song 'I'm not sober Odiero'!! Jamnazi: I Am Not Sober Okay, okay, so my drift was after all in the 'Bingo' direction! Check this out: www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/41021-ongoros-husband-denies-family-fightBut be it that as it may, next year we are confronted with an election year where morals and integrity of the contestants will be the hurdles to jump to qualify! Now, assuming Elizabeth had clobbered her husband silly, it would mean she can't be cleared to contest her parliamentary seat based on morals and integrity tests! So for Elizabeth to solve the problem, it means Mr. Masha had to be gagged. The gagging would be Mr. Masha's contribution toward putting food on the table for the children! This of course assumes that Mr. Masha's hitherto business was just for window-dressing purposes!! Life can be cruel jameni! But you can still express yourselves, so say some black guys with an attitude! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 20, 2011 19:10:51 GMT 3
Mrembo, as far as video footage I only watched it on the 19:00 news. As far as a write up on what happened I read that as per the link on Nairobi Star which matches the title of the thread. As it is alleged Ongoro refused to comment on the saga, the jury is still out on this. In my case, first source quote makes the title valid until proved otherwise. b6k, Mate, you are being aired out to dry, and I wonder why! Usually critical Jukwaa --look at the way the story of Kabogo and the would-be college call-girl was disected!-- is very coy and soft tread on this... did you say ODMer? Such that a man wakes up from a coma of four days and somebody is ready to take his word for gospel??? ah?! And the wife too busy to appear at the death-bed! hmmm. You posted a link, the original source! [usual Jukwaa etiquette] and your apologies are being called for! ah!? I cannot remember this ever happening in the meantime I have been here! hmmm The truth is there is a big human interest story in this clipping. What I wanted to blast you about is this: tabloidisation of Jukwaa! Unless you can think of a big reason why we should know about an attempted spousal killing by a legislator. I think a hard object thrown which on connection outs a man cold for several days, had intent to inflict grievous bodily harm, possibly as in kill.
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