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Post by kasuku on Oct 4, 2011 11:52:34 GMT 3
There is something going on here in Jukwaa since Uhuru’s defence started that i have only seeing during the Election fiaskos. Just like in the thread of Nguyais Driver there is the same characteristic of postings which are aggressive and personalized as if made to kill the thread.
Is it a systematically induced confusion and chaos in the discussions? Is it Impunity at work (for impunity is known to behave like that when caught with the pants down?
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Post by politicalmaniac on Oct 4, 2011 17:25:55 GMT 3
Let me tell Jakaswanga a short tale. This Aug I had many visitors from pwani, amongst them my nephews, two bickering 8/9yr old brothers. They loved to fight over everything. During one of their fights, they started raining blows upon each other, the mother raised an alarm, the dad held her arm and told her, let nature take its course. They soon ran out of energy and stopped the bickering and fighting and decided to coexist within certain parameters. I am so glad the moderators and Admin have inhaled deep, and kept away from this issue, so far. Its a tough job they have. Because this imbroglio, in the end, is gonna come down in one of two ways. Either jakaswanga decides on his/her own to apologize for calling me a mother fu.cker and ordering me to shut the F..K up or I up the ante to a level where the moderator will intervene by either banning me or forcing jakaswanga to apologize, and if not s/he is outta here. Having slept on it, at this juncture, I am ready for either eventuality. But I wont have jakaswanga hurling abuse at me for no good reason. Yaani this jakaswanga fellow came to Jukwaa, went through all the 1600 names and found mine fit to hurl abuse of that nature at? uh? Am I missing something here? Jakaswanga I am telling you now, its gonna go down like 4 flat tires. You claim eti I am Your fellow, and in the same, same sentence, in the same breathe, you tell me to shut the F..K up? kie kie kie talk of being disingenous. Only a moron would spin such a foolish tale. Then being the sungura mjanja you are, you deleted the offensive post, thinking that would be the end of the story. Hapana!! No, no no. Its the beginning, you started it and it is you will end it. If you have any decency (and some measure of courage) left, you will apologize for calling me a mother fu,cker and this will end immediately. Or else every time you log on you will be reading from me. Na hii ni mwanzo tuu. Lets sort this out before the moderators step in. I dont think either one of us want to clutter jukwaa with mashada or bowen style bickering. The ball is in your court.
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 4, 2011 19:34:21 GMT 3
PM, You insist I called you mother something? I deny it. You have made a common mental mistake: Intertaining a preconcieved notion, then developing a fanatical attachment to it. By conjecture you have become pathologically adamant that MF can ONLY HAVE ONE MEANING! Fixations can only be dispelled by therapeutic sessions, not the the dry, clinical and hair-splitting logic on semantics as I will herald. So, My Fellow, spare yourself further fits, which surely shall escalate into epilectic excesses, should you continue to expose your sensitive mind to my verbose, hyperbolic, convoluted, toxic and sepentine posts!
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Post by nok on Oct 4, 2011 21:53:30 GMT 3
b6k,There is a thread started by the appropriately named NOK [nation of kenya] I think, which seeks to duel on the consequences of the ICC show. To date I have been scared of posting my thoughts on that thread because [...] but now you have mentioned two things in one paragraph which forces me to face up to my fears. 1. After attending a celebration of the Yoruba nation in London some years ago, I reached the conclusion TRIBE wont do. But the moment I reached that conclusion, I occurred to me that the African states, as they exist now with their 1884 Berlin constructed borders, can not contain these various nationalisms. [For instance Yoruba and Igbo and Fulani would rather exist as confederates than in nation state federal Nigeria.] Now as I watch the ICC, and deduce UK is no villain in his Mount Kenya nation, but a monster to the fish-lovers from the gulf of Kavirondo, I think this is a tale beyond resolution within the confines of the new Kenya [reborn with a new constitution!]. Add that to the de facto segregation of Counties [as you have noted], my analysis of THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES SCARE ME! So I am avoiding nok's thread [as I still screw up my head gears for a lighter take!] SADIKI hope you are wrong about being bludgeoned for not always bleeting ODM good PNU bad like some well-trained sheep in [Opoda] Animal Farm near Bondo! I assure you for the last three years I have been living in the ODM paradise of Nyanza, and I have become cured! It is a pre-historic regime! Obsolete like Pharao Mubarak's dungeon of yester year! M......F...... Jakaswanga 1.NOK= Native of Kenya not Nation of Kenya. My ego is bloated but not that much. 2. Enter the Mugithi train and stop having your tail between your legs. Post what's troubling your soul. As they say the truth can sometimes free oneself! This thread has good intentions and spirits so if that can guide you, i will appreciate. But don't call me a well trained sheep from Bondo farm. Am a well trained Bull from some other place that I will not disclose to you. But I will forgive your juvenile ways, for I was taught to show restrain with those who have a bad soul. Life is the best teacher that they will ever have! Peace!
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Post by b6k on Oct 4, 2011 22:45:34 GMT 3
Anyone remember Mission Impossible, the TV series, not the Tom Cruise movies? I'm just waiting for someone to say "this thread will self-destruct in 5 seconds".
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Oct 4, 2011 23:20:02 GMT 3
PManiac
You have said your piece, and have made your point well-known. It is time to let go, and move on.
Jakaswanga
Not everything is clear cut, so margin of appreciation is wise way to interact. As my nephew would say, allow it and apologise to curtail this drama.
Peace!
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Post by moesha on Oct 4, 2011 23:47:15 GMT 3
This is starting to sound very childish. Grown men/women going on and on about a non-issue. Can we just agree to get along and be civil with each other. I agree with Sadik, Kill the thread PM, Jaka has already explained himself for the umpteenth time.
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Post by subsaharanite on Oct 5, 2011 0:15:02 GMT 3
Back in the days when I was growing, I remember you could not use any vulgar language against someone who went through a rite of passage earlier than you. So they could cajole you, abuse you, call you all sorts of names and you wouldn't say a thing. This was the norm. As I interacted with other people from other communities, I realized that not all of them followed what seems to be the norm in my community. So I took a couple of abuses from folks much younger than me and I dished out more to older folks. Factoring in the western influence made me realize that vulgar language is relative. African Americans for example call each other black person, but a white person cannot use that word. White people use all sorts of vulgar terms mostly in private and when drunk. We use all use these words to describe whomever we do not like. So whomever who feels like being called MF is way off is probably stuck in the old norms. In a rapidly synchronizing world, old customs and ethics are slowly giving way to one uniform society that does not care so much about tongue lashings. So long us that term does not kill you or injure you, shelf your emotions, keep them in check, soldier on, there are many more worse things that people can do to you other than calling you 'MF'
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Post by tnk on Oct 5, 2011 2:47:01 GMT 3
wow wonder how i missed this volcanic / toxic episode jakaswanga, out of curiosity if pmaniac had not called this out, in your opinion how many of our fine jukwaaists would have interpreted the m....f as you state? how many would have intepreted it otherwise and would you then have cared to correct this later? just out of curiosity. meantime IMO, lately the debate and language is degenerating fast, ironically at the same time that yet another jukwaaist came up with the brilliant idea of jukwaaist of the year and its associated honors. such amazing contrasts in composition. maybe OO should introduce walevi corner, kids corner, for grown ups only etc, anyway generally speaking this reminds me, sometime back i got curious as to how a similar action (or words) deployed differently can be cause of much anguish (to some) imagine some overfed goon in a room is forced to expel some air through the mouth in an action commonly known as burping. a few pretenders in the room will give knowing smiles an dgive the typcal excuses of too much tusker, choma etc yaani ameshiba now if same fellow chose to "burp" with the other end of the alimentary canal ...... if you are standing on the moon observing both phenomena this is an object expelling excess gas out of one of either choices, however try explaining that to the folks in the room.... oh yeah .... caution .... this post is graphic / explosive
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 5, 2011 3:17:14 GMT 3
Back in the days when I was growing, I remember you could not use any vulgar language against someone who went through a rite of passage earlier than you. So they could cajole you, abuse you, call you all sorts of names and you wouldn't say a thing. This was the norm. As I interacted with other people from other communities, I realized that not all of them followed what seems to be the norm in my community. So I took a couple of abuses from folks much younger than me and I dished out more to older folks. Factoring in the western influence made me realize that vulgar language is relative. African Americans for example call each other black person, but a white person cannot use that word. White people use all sorts of vulgar terms mostly in private and when drunk. We use all use these words to describe whomever we do not like. So whomever who feels like being called MF is way off is probably stuck in the old norms. In a rapidly synchronizing world, old customs and ethics are slowly giving way to one uniform society that does not care so much about tongue lashings. So long us that term does not kill you or injure you, shelf your emotions, keep them in check, soldier on, there are many more worse things that people can do to you other than calling you 'MF' subsaharanite I guess you and Jakaswanga can call each other "MF" if that is acceptable to you, but take it else where not here on Jukwaa where members respect each other.. Jakaswaga owes PM an apology period! but if those who support him and his insults against other members should start their own blog and go abuse each other there using deranged language like "MF and sh----- t up.." Here on Jukwaa members are advised to respect each other!!
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Post by politicalmaniac on Oct 5, 2011 6:09:05 GMT 3
Jakaswanga. Na mambo bado
I am happy and elated and gratified that the moderators have not yet weighed in. Perhaps they want the option of self moderation to advance itself here.
This brouhaha is perhaps a very significant teaching moment in this very esteemed board. It may establish engagement parameters in a very clear unambiguous way, of just how NOT to address a fellow member.
There are sharp sisters and brothers here who have clearly seen and correctly interpreted, without any equivocation, what jakaswanga wrote, despite him/her trying to fudge and obfuscate the issue. At first he deleted the offensive post, but NOT before it was cached.
Then he tried a miserable pathetic attempt at being sungura mjanja to spin the heinous insults eti, MF meant 'My Fellow'. My Fellow what jakaswanga, hebu let me ask you, My Fellow what? MF? Jeez!! Was that meant to be an affectionate endearing term? How then did she segue to ordering me to shut the F..K up? This can only make sense to a demented mind.
Jakwaswanga, pole pole you are gonna start to feel the heat. I will turn on the pressure subtly at first, but with more ferocity as time goes by.
Jakawanga, As I told you earlier on, this incident has made me sad. Why? because I am planning to hit back at you very hard and frequently. I am sad because while doing that I will for sure violate the terms of the contract I agreed to when I joined this board. I am sad that the last 24-36hrs I have been thinking a lot about life after Jukwaa. I am afraid the owner of this board and other members wont like it. Why? because its gonna be doggone dirty, and drawn out war of attrition.
Jakaswanga you messed with the wrong guy. I aint backing down.
Consider this a lull before the storm, before the sh!t hits the fan. There is a thread or two I wanna start before hell break loose.
Each and every time you log on there, this thread (and others where you post) will stare you straight in the face. It wont make for a happy visit here I can assure you. You will be bloody miserable I say.
Eti calling me a mother fu,cker, and ordering me to shut the F .. K up. Kwani wewe ni nani?
Jakaswanga I am not your bloody lame cuckold of a husband that you boss around. Damn am I getting warm or am I getting warm!
As long as I can post here, ni mimi na wewe.
Wait for my new thread ( a rather inconsequential one by the way, about musings that went through my head as I was watching teevee last weekend) to be posted and then let the fireworks then begin.
And as I have said I am sad, for I just know my days here are numbered, but I just cant let this go. No way, no how!!
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Oct 5, 2011 11:12:45 GMT 3
I always get jittery when I see postings titled with Jukwaa members' names.
The other day I almost jumped in to yank the "Kamale" thread only to quickly, sheepishly, cut myself short when I realized that it was a reference to the "REAL" Kamale- the Congolese band of the mid- 1970s featuring the great vocalist Nyboma.
Now, this thread reveals a lot:
1. That some of us PREFER personal exchanges to substantive deep debates on issues rather than personalities.
2. That some members do not UNDERSTAND the focus and purpose of Jukwaa as a forum- we have a clear focus on Kenyan politics.
3. That people are not familiar with the buttons on the Jukwaa board. One such button is labelled "report post" which you can do directly and it comes to me as the Administrator for action without dragging the rest of the Jukwaa populace into your beefs. There are five such reported posts that I am dealing with at the moment.
4. Jakaswanga I have received SEVERAL private complaints and even phone calls about your language use here on Jukwaa. So far, I have stepped back; I have been watching you, giving you the benefit of the doubt. The complaints are from people who, to my knowledge do not know each other- men as well as women.
5. Political Maniac it was wrong of you to INVENT or MISATTRIBUTE a quote from me when I did NOT utter a word on that thread. In fact I am reading this thread for the VERY FIRST TIME.
I have several options to me-and you all know that some of these options can get rather nasty.
For now, I urge you all to MOVE ON from this.
That does NOT MEAN THAT I WILL DO NOTHING ABOUT THIS INCIDENT, now or in the very near future.
Onyango Oloo Administrator
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 5, 2011 19:16:12 GMT 3
wow wonder how i missed this volcanic / toxic episode jakaswanga, out of curiosity if pmaniac had not called this out, in your opinion how many of our fine jukwaaists would have interpreted the m....f as you state? how many would have intepreted it otherwise and would you then have cared to correct this later? just out of curiosity. tnk, I have a high opinion of Jukwaa minds. Some I think are top lawyers used to litigations where outcomes hang on hair thin technicalities. As such, if there is an ambiguity, their training and instinct must first be to investigate what it is exactly. And biochemists would know the horrors of mistaking an isomer for a twin. So I expected to be called to clarify if discordant. The truth, which is nolonger important now, is that my first choice of word was My Friend. But I thought Fellow was more highbrow! As it is, some usual suspects have not failed to dissappoint.
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 5, 2011 19:23:52 GMT 3
PM, You say as long as you can post here it will be mimi na wewe? In other words you will be stalking me! Sawa, but first you need a strong course on how to navigate meandering, multifaceted, convoluted verbose posts! Otherwise I fear for your mental state reading all my missives! But if Olooo yanks me off fast, you are saved! and must conseder him your god to the grave! Is the second part of your name really a handle? or is it a diagnostic aid?
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Post by danielwaweru on Oct 5, 2011 20:19:40 GMT 3
PM, You say as long as you can post here it will be mimi na wewe? In other words you will be stalking me! Sawa, but first you need a strong course on how to navigate meandering, multifaceted, convoluted verbose posts! Otherwise I fear for your mental state reading all my missives! But if Olooo yanks me off fast, you are saved! and must conseder him your god to the grave! Is the second part of your name really a handle? or is it a diagnostic aid? Jakaswanga, Are you the Jukwaaite with whom I had a couple of beers a few weeks ago?
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 5, 2011 20:45:56 GMT 3
Jakaswanga. Na mambo bado I am happy and elated and gratified that the moderators have not yet weighed in. Perhaps they want the option of self moderation to advance itself here. This brouhaha is perhaps a very significant teaching moment in this very esteemed board. It may establish engagement parameters in a very clear unambiguous way, of just how NOT to address a fellow member. There are sharp sisters and brothers here who have clearly seen and correctly interpreted, without any equivocation, what jakaswanga wrote, despite him/her trying to fudge and obfuscate the issue. At first he deleted the offensive post, but NOT before it was cached. Then he tried a miserable pathetic attempt at being sungura mjanja to spin the heinous insults eti, MF meant 'My Fellow'. My Fellow what jakaswanga, hebu let me ask you, My Fellow what? MF? Jeez!! Was that meant to be an affectionate endearing term? How then did she segue to ordering me to shut the F..K up? This can only make sense to a demented mind. Jakwaswanga, pole pole you are gonna start to feel the heat. I will turn on the pressure subtly at first, but with more ferocity as time goes by. Jakawanga, As I told you earlier on, this incident has made me sad. Why? because I am planning to hit back at you very hard and frequently. I am sad because while doing that I will for sure violate the terms of the contract I agreed to when I joined this board. I am sad that the last 24-36hrs I have been thinking a lot about life after Jukwaa. I am afraid the owner of this board and other members wont like it. Why? because its gonna be doggone dirty, and drawn out war of attrition. Jakaswanga you messed with the wrong guy. I aint backing down. Consider this a lull before the storm, before the sh!t hits the fan. There is a thread or two I wanna start before hell break loose. Each and every time you log on there, this thread (and others where you post) will stare you straight in the face. It wont make for a happy visit here I can assure you. You will be bloody miserable I say. Eti calling me a mother fu,cker, and ordering me to shut the F .. K up. Kwani wewe ni nani? Jakaswanga I am not your bloody lame cuckold of a husband that you boss around. Damn am I getting warm or am I getting warm! As long as I can post here, ni mimi na wewe. Wait for my new thread ( a rather inconsequential one by the way, about musings that went through my head as I was watching teevee last weekend) to be posted and then let the fireworks then begin. And as I have said I am sad, for I just know my days here are numbered, but I just cant let this go. No way, no how!! PM No need, you are above getting involved with such nonsensical classless people, the individual as you can see through their posts here is not worth two cents.. it like those people who shout loudest and when asked to enter the boxing ring they hide behind other peoples skirts, inferiority complex ;D ;D no need to say more!!
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Post by mrembo on Oct 5, 2011 21:10:35 GMT 3
The truth, which is nolonger important now, is that my first choice of word was My Friend. But I thought Fellow was more highbrow! As it is, some usual suspects have not failed to dissappoint. Thanx Jakaswanga for letting us know that MF shld be a Jukwaa word for My Friend.
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Post by tnk on Oct 5, 2011 22:13:47 GMT 3
wow wonder how i missed this volcanic / toxic episode jakaswanga, out of curiosity if pmaniac had not called this out, in your opinion how many of our fine jukwaaists would have interpreted the m....f as you state? how many would have intepreted it otherwise and would you then have cared to correct this later? just out of curiosity. tnk, I have a high opinion of Jukwaa minds. Some I think are top lawyers used to litigations where outcomes hang on hair thin technicalities. As such, if there is an ambiguity, their training and instinct must first be to investigate what it is exactly. And biochemists would know the horrors of mistaking an isomer for a twin. So I expected to be called to clarify if discordant. The truth, which is nolonger important now, is that my first choice of word was My Friend. But I thought Fellow was more highbrow! As it is, some usual suspects have not failed to dissappoint. well said i hope therefore it wouldnt be too much to ask that this matter be resolved and jukwaa moves forward.
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Post by mzalendo on Oct 6, 2011 8:28:13 GMT 3
OO, I plead with you to Ban any more exchanges on this thread you can as well delete it. Thanks.
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