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Post by kamalet on Feb 8, 2012 8:44:46 GMT 3
Not sure about that. Haugerud (The Culture of Politics in Modern Kenya) argues convincingly that barazas and such have been pretty important and durable—you might even say they have traction. Maybe barazas aren't exactly similar to town halls, but they're sufficiently similar to make life difficult for your claim.
Do you really think Jukwaa deserves ALL this baseless propaganda from Danielwaweru or don't you think that Jukwaa deserves better? I personally believe that Danielwaweru has enough fora in which to propagate his beliefs well apart from Jukwaa. Don't you sense in Danielwaweru a deeply deranged character who sternly believes that Jukwaa as a forum and ODM singularly as a party and by extension ODM members of Jukwaa, rather than individuals in Kenya, are the groups that are responsible for what he underwent through the PEV? I would not mind Danielwaweru's crusade if he attacked both sides of the political divide viz-a-viz PEV, but his constant heaping of blames on only one side of that divide is NOT acceptable to me especially after ICC proved that both sides of the political divide were involved in the mayhem! Now, your responsibility as the admin MUST be to decide on who is genuinely debating issues as opposed to who is out to spread propaganda courtesy of this esteemed board. If you asked me, I'm currently already considering my options as far as my Jukwaa membership is concerned. I refuse to be a party to a club of hate-mongers. I cannot accept to debate or read from repeat hate-mongers, intentional propagandists, pathological thread hijackers, and possibly hired and well-paid mercenary whose purpose is solely to disrupt meaningful discussions on fora that their paymasters would like to get crippled! Or is this the meaning of freedom of expression in our brand new constitution!? So, folks are free to say %&$§ everywhere they wanna say %&$§!!!  Really??? Folks have a very wide choice of fora out there, don't they? So why Jukwaa??? I pray and hope that you heard me!! Einstein, At what stage do you consider one a hate monger? When do you want to dispense with a propagandist? In actual fact have you been able to attack both sides of the political divide when it comes to matters PEV - and in this case we are not talking about the Ocampo way of distributing culpability? So what would make you want someone silenced by Oloo just because you are miffed that they are all these things you accuse DW of? You have the right to review your options in Jukwaa - but I do not think you can use your opinions of people to have them yanked out. Do the sensible thing and IGNORE DWaweru if you dislike his propaganda. |
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Post by phil on Feb 8, 2012 9:34:27 GMT 3
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Post by adongo23456 on Feb 8, 2012 18:02:26 GMT 3
IN LODWAR TURKANA COUNTY ON 7TH FEB 2012 - talking to ODM delegates directly in mashinani.    ODM is doing what they didn't do in 2007. They need to build roots and structures at the local level. We begegd them to do this, but they didn't bother in 2007. They relied too much on the big rallies and that can be deceptive. Big rallies are good for any political process after all politics is about numbers but you are going nowhere without structures at the grassroots. You build there, keep your presense there and the big rallies become a bonus to an end in themselves. I like what I am seeing. We have Raila in Turkana one day, Mudavadi in Mombasa the next day and it is the same message. That is how you build a strong party which could make a big difference from the politics of big egos and personal ambitions. This election may be very different from what we have seen before. ODM so far is way ahead of the pack. Let them keep it that way. It will pay off big time but they have a very long way to go. |
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Post by phil on Feb 8, 2012 18:23:03 GMT 3
phil,ODM is doing what they didn't do in 2007. They need to build roots and structures at the local level. We begegd them to do this, but they didn't bother in 2007. They relied too much on the big rallies and that can be deceptive. Big rallies are good for any political process after all politics is about numbers but you are going nowhere without structures at the grassroots. You build there, keep your presense there and the big rallies become a bonus to an end in themselves. I like what I am seeing. We have Raila in Turkana one day, Mudavadi in Mombasa the next day and it is the same message. That is how you build a strong party which could make a big difference from the politics of big egos and personal ambitions. This election may be very different from what we have seen before. ODM so far is way ahead of the pack. Let them keep it that way. It will pay off big time but they have a very long way to go. Even the delegates themselves have been very active attending workshops and establishing receiprocal links among counties. I too like what I am seeing. Today Raila starts Western counties tour which promises to be interesting. Public rallies can sometimes get charged and lose cannons like Midiwo can mess an entire afternoon with uncalled for utterances. Here's the deal today (images to follow later): Bungoma leaders set to meet Raila at Kibabii college today
Wednesday, 08 February 2012 00:19 BY SIMBI KUSIMBA
BETWEEN 700 and 1,000 influential people, among them Bungoma ODM party delegates, opinion leaders and elders will attend today's consultative meeting with Prime Minister Raila Odinga at Kibabii University College. Bungoma county ODM secretary Majimbo Okumu said each of the six constituencies-Kimilili, Sirisia, Webuye, Bumula, Kanduyi and Mt Elgon will send 60 delegates plus 50 opinion leaders to the interactive session with their party leader which kicks off at 10.00am this morning.
Kanduyi MP Alfred Khang'ati was the head of team that identified the venue after plans to have the forum held at Bungoma County Hall were dropped. Majimbo said the PM "will not address a public rally at Posta grounds in Bungoma town after the consultative session" as earlier expected. There was no doubt among a cross section of delegates interviewed by the Star that the candidature of Mudavadi for the ODM presidential ticket against Raila is causing jitters and will be at the back of the PM's mind during his tour of the four Western Kenya counties of Bungoma, Busia, Kakamega and Vihiga. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Feb 8, 2012 19:13:41 GMT 3
Not sure about that. Haugerud (The Culture of Politics in Modern Kenya) argues convincingly that barazas and such have been pretty important and durable—you might even say they have traction. Maybe barazas aren't exactly similar to town halls, but they're sufficiently similar to make life difficult for your claim.
Einstein, To be honest with you my friend, personally, I will not miss you. So fair thee well my friend just in case you turn your threat into a reality. OO,If you asked me, I'm currently already considering my options as far as my Jukwaa membership is concerned. I refuse to be a party to a club of hate-mongers. I cannot accept to debate or read from repeat hate-mongers, intentional propagandists, pathological thread hijackers, and possibly hired and well-paid mercenary whose purpose is solely to disrupt meaningful discussions on fora that their paymasters would like to get crippled! Or is this the meaning of freedom of expression in our brand new constitution!? So, folks are free to say %&$§ everywhere they wanna say %&$§!!! Really??? Folks have a very wide choice of fora out there, don't they? So why Jukwaa??? I pray and hope that you heard me!! To be honest with you my friend, personally I will not miss you. So fair thee well my friend just in case you decide to make your threat a reality. |
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Post by b6k on Feb 8, 2012 19:30:28 GMT 3
Public rallies can sometimes get charged and lose cannons like Midiwo can mess an entire afternoon with uncalled for utterances. I think the accurate description provided by Adongo earlier was "buffoon" (although he may have used spelling more common in Canada than the rest of the realm). Glad to see the article you posted confirms, AGAIN, the jitters running through Raila's camp courtesy of Mudavadi's push for the high office. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 8, 2012 20:29:40 GMT 3
[ The history seems considerably more complicated than you're letting on. First, the fear of bigger tribes was not a free-standing motivation. It was very carefully nurtured by the colonial order (see p. 50ish of I Say To You for interesting discussion of the role of colonial propaganda in the creation of Kalenjin identity.) Second, the fear-of-big-tribes reasoning doesn't explain the composition of KADU very well: if membership was for small tribes, then what was Masinde Muliro doing as a key member of KADU? Nor does it explain the ethnic groups we have now. Why form a Kalenjin grouping, rather than amalgamate the Nandi-speaking tribes—as they were sometimes called in the past—with the Luhya? The Luhya were a marginally older ethnic constituency, weren't they? One sensible reply to that question is that having a dependable ethnic constituency was a mighty boon to Moi's career. ODM is doing as it does because it's a bunch of Kenyan politicians. Remember that almost as soon as FORD formed, they put together a national delegates conference, national steering committee, national executive committee etc. In short, they replicated the structure of KANU. Likewise, ODM is doing what comes naturally. [/font][/quote] Danielwaweru,When, all in one paragraph, I handle ethnic nationalisms in Kenya, crisis and identity in the light of power struggles in the post-colonial era, I am not going to claim an exhaustive and conclusive treatise. Masinde Muliro could simply have been ideologically inclined toward a looser, federal state. Ethnicity does not motivate everybody's behaviour. There are exceptions who think, and obey that thinking even if it offends 'tribal common sense'! [Maybe this ... was the lesson Raila was emphasizing with his Bildad Kaggia-Jaramogi example!] Actually the Kalenjin is a formidable merger including all the nandi-speaking subsets, and more. Moi the Tugen, by some accounts, did not want to surrender leadership to the Nandi 'clan' which had always had the leadership role! And that this is part of the explanation why the 'conciousness name' became Kalenjin and not Nandi --Recognizing too that the Kipsigis could acquiesce to being called Kalenjin but not Nandi! Amalgamating the Kalenjin with the Luhya? Daniel I think that would have beeen an ideological impossibility for Moi. The Luhya, while internally loose, have a pretty much distinct identity from the Kalenjin, and would be more concerned unifying themselves more effectively [From the Kisa and Bunyore to the Bukhusu and the what have yous]. --------- FORD replicating the structures of KANU, was indeed a testimony to their difference being the same, leading to 'structural mimicry'! therefore organisational twins... It is like the current standard packet of 'reforms' heralded by liberal economists to every economy in trouble. Whether the individual economists are graduated from Tokyo, or Taiwan or Princeton or Oxford, and belong to whatever thinktank, They are all KANU so to speak, that is the so called Harvard-Yale [axis] replicas! I will take a larger swipe at this axis when am minded to tackle the euro crisis in Greece! |
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 8, 2012 21:33:10 GMT 3
[jakaswanga, Calm down. It is always good to read multiple sources of information before making "authoritative" statements. This story has been out since yesterday in all media. I am sure since there was no statement about "Luo Kikuyu" vote most of you ignored it. Now the Star sensationally talks about "Luo/Kikuyu" vote which Raila actually never mentioned and we have folks jumping out of the wood works with all sorts of theories and skewed history lectures. Raila actually talked about the fact that he has no personal enemity towards Kikuyus and his father Jaramogi whom many percieve as an enemy of Kikuyus never had any tribal differences with Kenyatta. They differed on land issues. Try accessing the story from different sources and you will see the folly of being duped by the Star. Of course that was the whole idea of the Star writer. Get some people worked up and to hell with the facts of what happened at the meeting. Adosh, You reckon my whole missive is single source?  ahuh, ahuh! It is a spirited attempt at divergence from you. But useless. That quote by Otieno Dalmas, a jostler in the Raila sucession, reveals it all. Except of course to you. This is abc Kenyan political code and one need not be seasoned to understand it. Perhaps you have grown a bit rusty up there in Canada sir, so it appears it has to be spelled to you in capital letters! And I put it to you have no idea of Otieno Dalmas as a political theoritician and strategist from the Nyayo era. This is a KLA pitch, and for those convinced the ethnic arithmetics is the magic formula, a sure winner. Onyango Midika used to refer to is as the unstoppable locomotive! And Onyonka would quip, it will blow itself up and run its course! But, for the young amongst you, Dalmas Otieno used to be refered to as KANU Damu. And he was a theorist in the Moi court. Dalmas is the the fixer who assembled a group of Luo and Kalenjin historians as Moi became increasingly besieged, and developed the theory of.... [the dual lineage I call it because its popular name was too horrible!] More on the products of Dalmas Otieno's political think-tanks through the years, on request! But at the risk of annoying tnk who once warned me ostriches do not exhibit that behaviour they are famous for, you are free, adongo, to burry your head in sand like an O! |
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Post by phil on Feb 10, 2012 21:20:54 GMT 3
 Prime Minister Raila Odinga addresses the crowd in Kitale Town after opening Trans Nzoia County ODM Party office in Kitale Town.
Prime Minister Raila Odinga addresses the crowd in Kitale Town after opening Trans Nzoia County ODM Party office in Kitale Town. Prime Minister Raila Odinga hand shakes Hon, Mark Too former nominated MP when bumped on him at Kitale club befofe meeting with elders from Trans Nzoia and West Pokot. Prime Minister Raila Odinga hand shakes Hon, Mark Too former nominated MP when bumped on him at Kitale club befofe meeting with elders from Trans Nzoia and West Pokot.
Prime Minister Raila Odinga addressing Elders from Tans Nzoia and West Pokot at Kitale Club. |
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Post by Omwenga on Feb 13, 2012 19:48:10 GMT 3
RAILA SET FOR A TOUR OF THE COUNTRYSIDE TO MEET ODM DELEGATES.Prime Minister Mr. Raila Odinga is this Saturday 4th Feb. 2012 scheduled to meet over 1,200 ODM delegates from across Ukambani region in Machakos Town. The meeting which will be held at the Machakos Sports Club will be strictly for elected party delegates with whom they will share ideas of a winning formula for the party in this year’s General Election. During the meeting, which is the first one of a series of scheduled meetings with the party delegates from across Kenya, the Prime Minister who is also the Party Leader of the ODM will use the occasion to sell the party policies to the delegates, exchange ideas on how to market the party to the masses and ask for the delegates’ support during the party’s presidential nomination exercise. The delegates to the Machakos meeting will be drawn from Kitui, Makueni and Machakos Counties comprising all the elected officials in the Youth and Women League and the Mainstream. The delegates shall be drawn from Machakos Town, Kathiani, Kangundo, Yatta, Mwala, Mbooni, Makueni, Kaiti, Kilome, Kibwezi, Kitui Central, Kitui West, Kitui South, Mutito, Mwingi North and Mwingi South. Earlier before the meeting, the Prime Minister will preside over the opening ceremony of the party’s Orange House for Machakos County in Machakos town. On Sunday the 5th of February 2012, the Prime Minister will meet party delegates from Kajiado, Narok and Laikipia Counties in Kajiado Town. The delegates shall be drawn from Kajiado Central, Kajiado North, Kajiado South, Narok North, Narok South, Kilgoris, Lakipia East and Laikipia West Sub-Branches. On Tuesday the 7th of February 2012, the Prime Minister will be in Lodwar Town for a session with delegates from all the three Sub-Branches of Turkana County namely, Turkana Central, Turkana North and Turkana South. On Wednesday the 8th of February 2012, Mr. Odinga will be in Bungoma town meeting delegates from all the five Sub-Branches of Bungoma County namely, Kanduyi, Bumula, Sirisia, Webuye, Kimilili and Mt. Elgon. On Thursday the 9th of February 2012, the Premier will meet delegates from all the Sub-Branches of Transnzoia and West Pokot Counties namely, Cherang’any, Saboti, Kwanza, Kapenguria, Sigor and Kacheliba. The meeting will be held in Kitale town. On Friday the 10th of February 2012, Mr. Odinga will be the guest of delegates from all the Sub-Branches of Kakamega, Vihiga and Busia Counties namely Lurambi, Ikolomani, Shinyalu, Malava, Lugari, Khwisero, Butere, Mumias, Matungu, Nambale, Funyula, Bundalang’i, Butula, Amagoro, Emuhaya, Sabatia, Vihiga and Hamisi. The meeting shall be held at the Gold Hotel Kakamega. Ends… Raila is on the right track here with what he must do to be reelected president. In Wars Raila Must Simultaneously Fight and Win, omwenga.com/2012/02/13/wars-raila-must-simultaneously-fight-and-win/, I explore this issue. In the business world, the ability to effectively perform multiple tasks at the same time otherwise referred to as “multi-tasking” or MT is a very desirable quality one to have and often distinguishes the super-achievers from the above average, let alone the mediocre. Multi-tasking is distinguishable from successfully carrying out one’s assigned tasks in their job descriptions which by definition must be more than multiple but the expectation and general tendency is to have these duties done one at a time, even though most employees think or believe they are multi-tasking at all times. In politics, the concept does not neatly fit in evaluating performance except when it comes to assessing the performance of the president or leader of a country who in essence is the CEO of the country. In warfare, multi-tasking takes on a different meaning altogether. Any military General must always have contingency war plans ready to be executed concurrently and sometimes on many fronts. In theory, fighting multiple wars at the same time looks good on paper than actually executing the war such that the general who does and emerges victorious in all fronts has his place cut in history and earns their place among the great generals remembered long after the wars they fought are forgotten. Generals like Genghis Khan, Napoleon Bonaparte, Hannibal Barca and in recent time the controversial George Patton of WWII come to mind. Before entering the ring to prove his CEO multi-tasking skills, which he and others can plausibly and convincingly argue he has already proven, Prime Minister Raila Odinga must first prove his political warfare skills beyond what he has undoubtedly and unquestionably proven to everyone’s satisfaction. However, all that he has proven either as CEO or master of politics and strategic survival will be for naught and merely an asterisk in his otherwise illustrious life, if he does not get reelected and sworn as president. The skillful politician he is, Raila must now put on his Military General hat and fight a war on three fronts he must fight and win before being rewarded with the greatest political prize of all in Kenya and that is the presidency. The first front Raila must successfully fight and win, is the problematic small force gathering in the West by way of the slowly brewing skirmish within his own party and that is Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi’s declared intention to challenge Raila for the nomination as ODM flag-bearer. On the surface, this may look as though it’s a minor skirmish or none at all but let no one make no mistake as to believe that’s all there is to it as there is more to this than actually meets the eye. And therein lurks some danger for Raila and ODM. To be sure, Mudavadi’s quest is not all about openness and transparency or even democratization of the parties for that matter. If Mudavadi’s quest were simply a desire to have a healthy debate as to which one of the two gentlemen is better suited to lead the ODM forces to victory, then all those who are pro democratization of our processes would be rooting unreservedly for such a debate. What is clearly at play are two unmixable condiments and if mixed successfully, the end product would be nothing but toxic concoction for anyone to swallow, let alone Raila and these are: Mudavadi’s quest—genuine or not, to seek ODM nomination on the one hand, and Raila’s enemies quest to use the opportunity to knock Raila out as the leading presidential contender he is while positioning Mudavadi squarely on a seat from which to sink him so fast in the general elections, he wouldn’t know what happened. Mudavadi is like the employee who hardly ever gets in trouble not because he or she is not conniving or doesn’t do anything wrong, but because he or she is clever in disguising the mischief and when others report him or her to the boss for wrongdoing, the boss is always dismissive of them as haters because he or she has done a good job of having the boss believe he or she can do no wrong. When the boss suddenly finds himself booted or transferred to some remote post in the countryside where he is struggling to even cope with the strange environment and this same employee is now promoted to his or her position, the boss can only but wonder if he or she has not all along been schemed by this clever but ruthlessly calculating understudy. Invariably, however, the evidence will start trickling in that the boss has, indeed, become the victim of his or her total trust and believe in a person who has never had any intention of reciprocating. The ones LOL silly in all of these are none other than the very co-workers who the now former boss routinely ignored their warnings this person is up-to no good but that’s not to say the person did not get their on their own merit; they could have and there is nothing wrong with that. The trick is, knowing when the person is trying to get there by hook or crook and nipping both. This is akin to a black person trying to decipher whether he or she is being discriminated against because of being black. Sidney Potier put it best in saying when he got bad service in a restaurant, he always wondered whether it was because of racism or because the waiter was simply lousy and incompetent such that the color of his skin didn’t matter all that much in what service he received. In that situation, the only thing the black person can do, is go with his or her instincts and not only scream racism the loudest he or she can, if the instincts and tell tales tell him or her its racism, but he or she must also do something about so that the racist is held to account. How Raila and ODM manages this “little” Mudavadi issue will either put him closer to reelection and even assure him of it or it’ll cause turbulence dangerously perilous for his journey to State House. The second front Raila must successfully fight, is purging ODM of his enemies and distractors while at the same time ensuring their exit does not cause the same perilous turbulence on his way to State House. Although a case can be made that the only enemy within ODM for Raila is Ruto and the handful of MPs allied to him, one can also make a convincing case there are a few stealth enemies within the camp and the sooner Raila identifies these, if he has not already, and neutralizes, purges or at least exposes them, the better. It is said politics is always full of strange bedfellows and in the ODM context this would constitute those who are openly against Raila as Ruto or and those openly supporting Raila but secretly plotting with outsiders to derail his presidency in the guise of supporting Mudavadi with his quest to challenge Raila as a matter of democracy they know its anything but. Then there is the mother of all battles Raila must fight and defeat on his way to State House and these are the anti-Raila forces coming at him from all different directions be that PNU, G7 or whatever tribal grouping emerges as the forces to “stop” Raila from being reelected as president. No politician this writer knows that must face and deal with so many known knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknowns, to borrow from Donald Rumsfeld, the perennial but now former US Secretary of Defence, than our own Raila Amolo Odinga. However, the one thing Raila has going for him against all these forces he must fight, is he is a tested and proven survivor in many a skirmish, small and great. He was a frequent guest of Moi in places few have ever been let alone experienced the horror and pain of being there. He survived not without steeliness, fortitude, agility and discipline—all essentials of a good general in leading men and women to war that must have the same—he lived another day to become instrumental in the final defeat of Moi and his regime. When Kenyans went to the polls and gave him the nod for the presidency but only to find himself stopped at the gatehouse by Kibaki and Co telling him, “no; not this time!,” Raila went back to the drawing board and emerged with the half loaf he now holds and this was nothing but the application of the above skills and more. Now, the man also known as “the Enigma” must once again draw from these skills and more to successfully fend off the enemies from all these warfronts and emerge victorious in the collective war and likely last of his political life. When Jaramogi said of Moi being a giraffe that saw far, not even Moi saw or thought Raila getting to where he is today against all odds as he has and, even though the human nature is for someone in Moi’s shoe to want to exact revenge against Raila for 2002 by rooting for or even backing his enemies, as compared to getting him elected, if Moi is the giraffe Jaramogi credited him to be, he will see that getting this Son of Jaramogi elected president is the wiser of the two and ditto for Kibaki as Raila’s election will bring to a close an end to the old politics of conniving, scheming and outright theft to get elected or maintain office while ushering in a new era of honest politicking—at least to the extent possible and competition of ideas and won’t that be a legacy either of these presidents would want to be forever associated with should that, indeed, come to pass, namely, their helping Raila get elected? Doing otherwise for either would be no different than putting their stamp of approval on schemes and machinations by those merely ganging up against Raila for no other reason other than they don’t want him reelected president for reasons that have nothing to do with whether or not he is qualified or has the leadership skills necessary to govern as president, which the latter should be the only measure by which we should elect our leaders and the sooner we get there, the better for the country. Otherwise, status quo, continued bad and disjointed governance and wallowing in the politics of stagnation in all fronts it shall be. |
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Post by phil on Feb 13, 2012 21:29:10 GMT 3
OmwengaPersonally, I do not see Mudavadi as a threat to Raila within ODM. As far as I can see, ODM must have a succession plan in place. Perhaps more importantly in politics everyone must have a plan B and a place C. Mudavadi has for the last 5 years been Raila's student. Mudavadi has a political future. If Raila could give Maina Njenga books, get him released from false imprisonment and go further as to counsel him on being a national political player, can you imagine the kind of political lessons he has imparted on Mudavadi? And talking about Moi..........when I saw Moi at Raila's son wedding, it was enough to tell me that Moi was basically getting fed up of Uhuru. Now that the ICC has hammered the final nail on the coffin of Uhuru, I see Moi warming up to ODM because of Mudavadi. He is not just a distant blood relative, he is also a student of the Moi KANU University apart from being a business partner. For the umpteenth time, Mudavadi is not Raila's political adversary. The so called rivalry is the best thing that could have happened to our fledgling democracy. Let ODM continue setting political trends and I can assure you all will fall naturally in place. I will be generous with the other side. G-7 are where LDP was in 2002, and they are not even as ideological or as united as the Rainbow Alliance was then. Even more challenging for them, the new constitution did not exist in then and is now apparently on the side of ODM as the most constitutionally compliant of all political parties. Rainbow alliance was never led by land oligarchs, court hoppers, jail birds and political hypocrites. Neither did Rainbow Alliance have ICC fugitives spearheading their quest for political power, yet they single handedly whitewashed Moi's KANU, with Mudavadi being karangwad by Mose Akaranga at constituency level. Like I said in the other thread, these elections are for ODM to lose.
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Post by b6k on Feb 13, 2012 22:16:09 GMT 3
You see Phil, Omwenga simply confirms that even at the heart of ODM ranks there are those who perceive Mudavadi as a credible threat. Whether that is true or not remains for the delegates to decide. Personally I think he stands a good enough chance in counties realing from Raila fatigue that ODM would be nuts not to consider him a viable replacement. As to the elections being ODM's to lose, that's accurate. A victory or a loss boils down to who the flag-bearer will be.
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Post by Omwenga on Feb 13, 2012 23:16:03 GMT 3
OmwengaPersonally, I do not see Mudavadi as a threat to Raila within ODM. ... Like I said in the other thread, these elections are for ODM to lose. I, too, do not believe Mudavadi is a threat in the strictest meaning of that word. All I am trying to say is, yes, let Mudavadi challenge Raila as he has declared but his motives must be and remain pure as he says they are and even though some may find reason to doubt or not believe him, not the least is purely human nature "why not me," the best thing to do is to give him the benefit of doubt and help him help us all ODMers in building and popularizing the party. It is said when your enemy is self-destructing, you don't help him. It may as well be said in this context when your friend's enemies are after his jugular to do some harm, you don't help them. I agree with you this elections are for ODM to lose. |
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Post by Omwenga on Feb 13, 2012 23:18:32 GMT 3
You see Phil, Omwenga simply confirms that even at the heart of ODM ranks there are those who perceive Mudavadi as a credible threat. Whether that is true or not remains for the delegates to decide. Personally I think he stands a good enough chance in counties realing from Raila fatigue that ODM would be nuts not to consider him a viable replacement. As to the elections being ODM's to lose, that's accurate. A victory or a loss boils down to who the flag-bearer will be. "Threat" is too strong a word for what I have in mind. Please see my response to Phil. |
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Post by phil on Mar 16, 2012 17:35:40 GMT 3
ODM Party Leader Mr. Raila Odinga is scheduled to meet party delegates from Nyamira and Kisii Counties this Sunday 18th March 2012.
The meeting will be held in Kisii town from 10.00.am.
On Monday 19th March 2012, the Prime Minister will be in Murang’a County to meet party delegates from the greater Central region. The counties are Murang’a, Kiambu, Nyandarua, Nyeri and Kirinyaga.
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Post by phil on Apr 20, 2012 9:11:05 GMT 3
After disruption of Limuru 2b meeting by police, the threat to Gitobu Imanyara's life and that of his family, the prime minister heads to Mount Kenya region this weekend, Meru county to meet the people..
PM TO MEET MERU ODM DELEGATES
On Saturday, April 21, 2012, the Prime Minister will hold a leader's meeting in Imenti North, then proceed to meet Meru ODM delegates.
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Post by phil on Apr 20, 2012 13:23:01 GMT 3
PM tour of Eastern begins in earnest, met with Archbishop David Gitari in Mwea where the PM personally apologised to retired Archbishop David Gitari for the chaos that erupted in Limuru after cancellation of Limuru 2b meeting. PM's convoy arrives in Embu market tumultus welcome by wananchi from all walks of life and impromptu public rally brings life to standstill at Embu market   And convoy heads on to Chuka market  |
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Post by Titchaz on Apr 20, 2012 20:00:29 GMT 3
Wacha niweke zangu hapa.... ;D |
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Post by akinyi2005 on Apr 20, 2012 20:31:50 GMT 3
that is vintage agwambo meeting the people. what's it with the 'opposite iko toilet' billboard message? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 20:49:45 GMT 3
KARIBU NYUMBANI BWANA ODINGA!!!
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Post by OtishOtish on Apr 21, 2012 2:36:43 GMT 3
Raila is definitely in his element when it comes to this sort of thing, but, as one might say, there's room for improvement. Regardless of what one might think of Wikileaks and the various people peddling stuff therein, they are sometimes accurate: In one of them some person (a Western diplomat, if I recall correctly) is quoted as stating that Raila has achieved a lot through the sheer force of personality and will-power but that he needs more than that. The "more" referred to in this case is an on-the-ball prime-ministerial office and a higher calibre of advisor.
Sometimes the shortcomings alluded to are simply too embarrassing, especially when it boils down to public fisticuffs. One such case is the Miguna matter. For all his faults, Miguna did not deserve to be be seen off like an old dog that has never emitted even a single bark in its lifetime or been of any use at all; even some who support Raila remain uncomfortable and unhappy about that matter. On the positive side, Mwangi is actually a better person for that position than Miguna. That in no way excuses the very shabby way in Miguna, regardless of his faults, was treated. And, of course, nothing excuses Miguna's jilted-schoolgirl behavior when it gets as far as consorting with known enemies of black people. But Raila is a leader, and he should lead.
Another case is these endless "assassination plots". I have no doubt that there are more than a few who have thought about "solving the Raila problem once and for all", but some of these alleged plots and the manner in which they are revealed set new standards in silliness. One considers these, and the first thing that comes to mind is, "surely, they could have thought of something that seemed more intelligent", "surely, the PM can't have this sort flake that close to him". The only "positive" thing in such matters is that people seem to be following a known (if not publicized script), so no useful neural energy is expended anywhere: accusations are made, the authorities "investigate", the accusers and follower respond as expected, the authorities do this, the accusers and followers do that. And so on, and so forth, dot dot dot.
Raila has personally fought for the freedom that many Kenyans enjoy today, as have many other heroic Kenyans whose names do not appear in the newspapers every day. He has been beaten, tortured, and jailed while his "leading" opponents were doing well on the other side (proving that "multi-partyism doesn't work" or enjoying life in the land of the free, finding out the exact percentage of silver in the proverbial spoon). Neverthless, at some point he needs to start looking at the people around him---the close advisors, the people he really listens to---and he should not assume that only his detractors say this.
PS. Midiwo should be asked to at least do one or two small things for his Gem people and to spend less time globe-trotting or rehearsing for a part in a circus
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Post by mzee on Apr 21, 2012 3:32:37 GMT 3
Titchaz wa Kisauni and Phil,
Thanks for those nice pics. That is Raila Odinga Amollo a man of the people at his best.
He should not fear talking to the kikuyu. He must explain to them his agenda, then let them decide if he is the right person to vote for or not.
The man already broken the k.hii myth. It time he also broke the the myth that kikuyus can only vote for their own.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 3:38:28 GMT 3
Titchaz wa Kisauni and Phil, Thanks for those nice pics. That is Raila Odinga Amollo a man of the people at his best. He should not fear talking to the kikuyu. He must explain to them his agenda, then let them decide if he is the right person to vote for or not. The man already broken the k.hii myth. It time he also broke the the myth that kikuyus can only vote for their own. The man was in Meru not Kikuyu land! |
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Post by mzee on Apr 21, 2012 4:05:09 GMT 3
Titchaz wa Kisauni and Phil, Thanks for those nice pics. That is Raila Odinga Amollo a man of the people at his best. He should not fear talking to the kikuyu. He must explain to them his agenda, then let them decide if he is the right person to vote for or not. The man already broken the k.hii myth. It time he also broke the the myth that kikuyus can only vote for their own. The man was in Meru not Kikuyu land! I agree, I know that there is a difference but to most kenyans, Meru, Embu and Kikuyu are put in one basket called "kikuyus" (which is wrong). Just in the same manner we call some people Luhya yet such a tribe does not exist. But I will try to be more exact next time. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 6:13:07 GMT 3
mzeeThe man was in Meru not Kikuyu land! I agree, I know that there is a difference but to most kenyans, Meru, Embu and Kikuyu are put in one basket called "kikuyus" (which is wrong). Just in the same manner we call some people Luhya yet such a tribe does not exist. But I will try to be more exact next time. , Embus, Kikuyus, Mberee peoples have lived next to each other for thousands of years. They knew the differences between each other in as much as they were cognizant of the similarities between their communities. Also, they mixed all the time in terms of reproduction as do all neighboring communities then and now. The notion that Kenyans can't differentiate one from the other is a social construct less than 50yrs old of misrule by elites who stood and stand to gain from that confusion. As you've said, I'm sure that was the case with the Luhya communities and as we've seen the Kalenjin communities as well. They've reduced Kenyans into people who can't rely on their traditional knowledge; and have no access to information that would encourage a national consciousness. Such consciousness will enable Kenyans to beat the elites at their own game. Because it is only them who've gained and stand to gain over and over again from dividing and thus ruling us. |
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Really???
ahuh, ahuh! It is a spirited attempt at divergence from you. But useless. That quote by Otieno Dalmas, a jostler in the Raila sucession, reveals it all. Except of course to you. This is abc Kenyan political code and one need not be seasoned to understand it. Perhaps you have grown a bit rusty up there in Canada sir, so it appears it has to be spelled to you in capital letters! And I put it to you have no idea of Otieno Dalmas as a political theoritician and strategist from the Nyayo era. This is a KLA pitch, and for those convinced the ethnic arithmetics is the magic formula, a sure winner. Onyango Midika used to refer to is as the unstoppable locomotive! And Onyonka would quip, it will blow itself up and run its course!
