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Post by phil on Feb 3, 2012 18:52:33 GMT 3
Hii Nairobi yenu wajameni..........
Nairobi plans to legalise prostitution
Posted by BERNARD MOMANYI on February 3, 2012
NAIROBI, Kenya Feb 3 – The City Council of Nairobi is considering relaxing its by-laws to allow commercial sex workers work freely in the Kenyan capital.
Nairobi Mayor George Aladwa said on Friday that the council was working to harmonise by-laws with provisions of the new Constitution before allowing commercial sex workers to operate without restraint.
“We want to look at what the Constitution says about commercial sex work in the country. We will also look at the by-laws so that we help the commercial sex workers,” Aladwa said. halafu tena.............. Man tells court of ordeal in women’s cell
By RICHARD MUNGUTI rmunguti@ke.nationmedia.com
Posted Thursday, February 2 2012 at 22:30
The cells at Nairobi’s Central Police Station have been turned into brothels with women and men sharing lockups and police supplying condoms for a fee.
A remand prisoner, who begged the court to reject police request that he be remanded at the station, claimed the police had also been beaten and tortured him.
“All inmates are locked up together. There are no male cells nor female cells at Central Police Station,” said Mr Martin Kinoti |
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Post by b6k on Feb 3, 2012 19:14:38 GMT 3
When I heard Aladwa's relaxed curb-crawling bylaws on the radio I thought it was a unique ODM strategy to reel in some votes! It sounded to me like a radical strategy to top Uhuru's stay of execution on 14 seater matatus. Frankly speaking the one who rolls back the Mututho prohibition will be the one I hearken to  |
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Post by mzee on Feb 4, 2012 1:26:23 GMT 3
By the way, this is a good thing. We all know that there is prostitution in Kenya. Why not legalize it instead of pretending it exist.
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Post by foresight on Feb 4, 2012 5:35:34 GMT 3
O boy! As Nairobi considers LEGITIMIZING PROSTITUITION, I pray that those flirting with this kind of "rubbish"will have the eyes of their understanding opened to see that in legitimating prostitution, call it "empowering women" they are openning a HUGE DOOR for the silent nation killer A STRENGTHENED SEX INDUSTRY.
Nairobi or Kenya must be warned that shortly after Legalization of prostitution they must expect pimps, traffickers and the sex perverts to increase and be around for life.
Increased sex trafficking give birth to increases of clandestine, hidden, illegal and street prostitution. Crime, drugs,murder and violent sexual behaviors are all cultured and thrive in this kind of environment and atmosphere.
With it also comes delicate form of child prostitution, pornography and exploitation. Expect many more girls hitting the streets at the expense of education.
Increase in all kind of sex toys, porn clubs strange sexually orientations will follow and how about sexually transmitted diseases?
For me it's NO NO NO NO NO NO..
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Post by tnk on Feb 4, 2012 6:10:09 GMT 3
always wonder what kind of priorities our leaders have while crushing the hopes and dreams of these small scale entreprising folks such as these www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000051424&cid=4&they find it easier to legalize commercial sex wow, rather than work with creating more conducive business model with these informal sector business operators and generating much needed revenue for all around wonder where the brains of these fellows are located? |
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Post by amadain on Feb 4, 2012 6:40:25 GMT 3
legitimating prostitution, call it "empowering women" they are openning a HUGE DOOR for the silent nation killer A STRENGTHENED SEX INDUSTRY. You don't say!  Pole but your post doesn't make the slightest bit of sense at all. So you are saying that the legalization of prostitution will lead to an increase of illegal prostitution? Also, the "pimps" and "traffickers" that own the underworld now will have to transfer their power to the government, which should work out better for the women. I say the word should with some doubt, but if the European system is emulated, there's no reason why this can't be a legitimate, safe and crime free industry. |
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Post by marikopolitico on Feb 4, 2012 9:14:35 GMT 3
Prositution exists.Between this approach and having NCC askaris chase and extract bribes (corruption btw) from the ladies of the night I prefer this method since it is based on the European method.
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Post by joblesscorner on Feb 4, 2012 10:24:09 GMT 3
I don't think it should be Legalized, but I'll wait to hear what Jukwaa's minds on this
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Post by kasuku on Feb 4, 2012 13:31:40 GMT 3
In fact legalizing prostitution is empowering the sex-workers and giving them the rights like every other citizen.
Plus the economy will at last earn from this multimillion shillings sector.
Prostitution in kenya is hidden under legal services like escort service, modeling agency, Hostess Agency, Wellness club, private parties, etc. And Pimping is heavily involved - Pimping is a big crime which must be purnished badly.
In that case legalizing prostitution one will be exposing other crimes that are new in our country like pimping, minor prostitution, etc. One will regulate who is doing the prostitution because every prostitution joint will have to register at the revenue and if one is found doing the business illegally will be immediately closed and get jailed for Pimping.
And the independent Prostitutes will have to each register themselves to the Tax man and they should be forced to carry a health card which is regularly stamped by a doctor working under the ministry of Health. In all, Legalizing Prostitution is a positive thing indeed.
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Post by stibin on Feb 4, 2012 15:45:34 GMT 3
kasuku, two things. First, I refuse to believe that legalizing prostitution is empowering women for simple reason that it’s not the right thing to do and also prostitution business is not sustainable. In fact, this business ‘dispowers’. Two, I do not understand why you think it’s a woman’s business.
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Post by kasuku on Feb 4, 2012 15:57:39 GMT 3
kasuku, two things. First, I refuse to believe that legalizing prostitution is empowering women. Yes the first point was the wrong expression. It was meant to be "Empowering the Sex-worker", and not women. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 4, 2012 18:09:59 GMT 3
Legalizing prostitution must be seen in the context of a regime desperate for new sources of income. Prostitutes and brothels will now be brought in the tax regime which, if we are serious [which I doubt], must include a pension scheme. Nairobi has been a ho-house just like most other cities anywhere, and has been living a clean lie.
The empowerment argument of Kasuku escapes me. What I know is that the oldest profession will continue to thrive, and it is time we faced the tough questions, came up with policies to regulate it and humanize the [often degrading and unsafe] labour conditions of especially the female workers. Legalization alone does not do that.
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Post by kasuku on Feb 4, 2012 22:43:19 GMT 3
The empowerment argument of Kasuku escapes me. What I know is that the oldest profession will continue to thrive, and it is time we faced the tough questions, came up with policies to regulate it and humanize the [often degrading and unsafe] labour conditions of especially the female workers. Legalization alone does not do that. Legalizing Sex-work and exposing the Sex-workers to information, for example, through self-help groups, Sex-workers NGO’s or organization like www.africansexworkeralliance.org/ is empowering them to manage their lives positively. They learn all about the sicknesses that come with their job, how to protect themselves and do diagnoses, prevention, psychology of the sex work, their rights, and marketing in the sex work, money management, etc. -------------------- Sex workers are subjected to widespread human rights abuses, including police violence and unequal access to health care, in Botswana, Namibia, and South Africa. Despite enormous challenges, they are organizing to protect their rights and demand an end to violence and discrimination. A report published by the Open Society Institute, Rights Not Rescue, is based on a series of interviews and focus groups with sex workers and advocates throughout the three countries. In this animated short film, sex workers who participated in the research tell their personal stories and collectively call for hope and change. www.soros.org/initiatives/health/focus/sharp/articles_publications/publications/rights_20090626------- Botswana wants to legalize Prostitution www.news24.com/Africa/News/Legalise-prostitution-Mogae-says-20111108 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 6:21:26 GMT 3
Oh my Lord! 72 hours is all it takes to back track from a sound decision. All because some pressure has been brought to bear by religious zealots with no better solutions to offer up. Now the mayor is saying that the Johns will be taken to task. Ya right. Tell that to the birds. At least the Mayor tried for a sum total of 72hrs. Oh Kenya we've got so far to go. *sigh*
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Post by kamalet on Feb 6, 2012 14:33:09 GMT 3
Oh my Lord! 72 hours is all it takes to back track from a sound decision. All because some pressure has been brought to bear by religious zealots with no better solutions to offer up. Now the mayor is saying that the Johns will be taken to task. Ya right. Tell that to the birds. At least the Mayor tried for a sum total of 72hrs. Oh Kenya we've got so far to go. *sigh* For someone as sensitive to matters feminist, I am surprised that the issue of commercial sex workers is something to support! If I had suggested that a woman uses what is between her legs for whatever reason, I would be accused of sexism and be promptly told that women have a brain and hands they can work with just like men!!! It is on this basis that I think prostitution must remain banned for it is nothing more than exploitation of women by men for money. |
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Post by nok on Feb 6, 2012 17:16:14 GMT 3
A nation , a country, a people in Self denial.
Are we a secular state or are we not ?
Tupende ama tusipende; prostitution is there , will be there, has
been there.
sasa ?
Food for thought !
Marriage is the most expensive form of prostitution that exists
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it's more or less gender insensitive !
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 6, 2012 21:12:48 GMT 3
Oh my Lord! 72 hours is all it takes to back track from a sound decision. All because some pressure has been brought to bear by religious zealots with no better solutions to offer up. Now the mayor is saying that the Johns will be taken to task. Ya right. Tell that to the birds. At least the Mayor tried for a sum total of 72hrs. Oh Kenya we've got so far to go. *sigh* After the lumbering and hoggish-gaited Aladwa has blasted the press for misreporting him etc, the journalist then rubs it in again, showing us Aladwa clearly talking legalization and more! Nairobi is a ho-house, and mayor Aladwa is more a pimp protesting his innocence in the sunday church! Arrest prostitutes in Nairobi? the female ones only are more than 70 thousand [If I remember a 2008 figure correctly!] Does anybody remember the city council STD clinic in the 70s and 80s which used to offer FREE TREATMENT TO ALL WITH STD?It was the idea of a colonial whiteman from england. A parting shot! He reasoned in the early sixties. Prostitution will be big business here, public healthcare and national interest in the city must include a free STD [sexually transmitted diseases] clinic! You would wish your black city mayor had that kind of thinking brain! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2012 7:32:29 GMT 3
A nation , a country, a people in Self denial. Are we a secular state or are we not ? Tupende ama tusipende; prostitution is there , will be there, has been there. sasa ? Food for thought ! Marriage is the most expensive form of prostitution that exists
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it's more or less gender insensitive !"nokI'm with you. Thanks for the clarity you bring to bear on this issue. Sadly, this clarity is beyond the grasp of most here on this forum, and for the Kenyan population at large. The exception being the sex workers themselves who are victimized on the daily; and their allies who understand what needs to happen at this juncture on this particular grotesque manifestation of the patriarchy buttressed by the economic marginalization of millions of our sisters and sometimes brothers. Victimized at every stage, by the men who desire to buy human bodies for sex, by law enforcement, the courts, and even health care providers. We need to interrogate why men behave in these ways. But that is a conversation for another day. I hate hypocrisy which is now part of our county's cultural expression. Here's a video from one of the local dailies that demonstrates the conditions that force women into unwanted marriages, and other forms of prostitution. |
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Post by foresight on Feb 7, 2012 9:23:06 GMT 3
The Song of Solomon describes two kinds of women. One is like a “wall”; the other is like a “door” (8:9).
The woman who is pictured as a wall has built her life on convictions. She has established her life on divine truths of GOD WORD.
The one pictured like a door is the kind of woman that can be easily swayed.
She is “the foolish one” vulnerable to temptation and may well become a temptress herself.
She is “loose and open to anything”; like a door she sways to any direction and is available in all ways… she has “turned aside” from a life of purity and integrity.
She is a foolish woman. She even calls herself “Christian” but places herself in places, situations, and relationships where the potential for wrongdoing exists.
If you are “The fool- ish woman” you will tear down your house with your MOUTH, your conduct and behavior AND IGNORANTLY WITH YOUR OWN HANDS.
The destructive influence of foolish women is readily apparent in the caliber of women being released in our midst nowadays.
Women who tear down and destroy the moral sensitivities and fiber of their own lives and by extension an entire family.
I hardly hear words like wholesome, modest, discreet and chaste etc used in describing women nowadays.
You see if you do not know the PURPOSE OF MARRIAGE then it is foolish FOR ANYONE TO EXPECT YOU TO FUNCTION perfectly in it. You may even call it a form of prostitution.
I have said it before elsewhere "IF YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT CONDOMS ARE FOR... THEN I cannot blame you, if you use them as balloons to decorate your house.
The best response to ignorance is forgiveness "FOR THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING"
I am appalled at the level of ignorance over matters THAT TOUCH ON FAMILY VALUES even to the extent that someone can actually equate and classify marriage with prostitution.
Here is a small lesson on the purpose of marriage- I will let someone else lecture me on prostitution..
Marriage involves you and your husband being fitted together for the purposeful function of -
• Mutual fellowship. [It is not good for man to be alone] mankind has a natural desire for companionship to fulfill that need marriage had to be created
• Encouragement and understanding. mankind has a natural desire and need for partnership to fulfill that need marriage had to be created
• Reproduction of children. [Go ye and multiply] mankind has a natural/spiritual reason for the proliferation of its kind and marriage is the legitimate avenue.
• The physical and spiritual aspects of sexual satisfaction. Mankind has sexual needs which must be met and marriage had to be designed to prevent sin.
So the purpose of marriage apart from being functional is also to display THE COVENANT-KEEPING LOVE between Christ and his church.
In other words, marriage was designed by God most deeply, most importantly, to be a PARABLE or AN ACTED DRAMA of the way CHRIST LOVES his church and the way the CHURCH LOVES AND FOLLOWS CHRIST.
What this means is simply this, marriage which is a covenant that involves leaving father and mother and being united with a spouse, is patterned after Christ’s commitment to HIS CHURCH
Christ DESCRIDBED Himself as the bridegroom coming for his bride, the church.
The highest purpose of marriage is the transformation dimension.
Did ever you stop to think that the intention for your marriage goes beyond
• Your comfort.
• Your happiness.
• Your desires.
What if God designed marriage to make us holy more than to make us happy?
Entering into the covenant of marriage with another sinful, desperately depraved human being forces one to face character issues that they could possibly never run into elsewhere. And if you are unwilling to change marriage is not for you.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Feb 7, 2012 11:47:58 GMT 3
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Post by hannali on Feb 7, 2012 18:21:13 GMT 3
Oloo, Uliona mbali mapema
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Post by foresight on Feb 8, 2012 0:17:12 GMT 3
OO, I read the essay, you tell your story well, from Kisumu to Mombasa and Nairobi. It is also laced with memories of growing up in Kenya, in very simple and modest days, the 70s and 80s. Its funny and nostalgic...
Your essay reveals that huge research and am sure resources have gone down into trying to create a comfortable environment for prostitutes to do their thing...
The comments from Ndugu were based on experience of someone who has actually worked with these woman way back. Little has changed and the debate is here again' In the end both you and Ndugu come to the same conclusion-- NO CONCLUSION!
That I think is because this issue already has an answer. A verdict has already been passed and issued concerning prostitution. Thats why for me, its really not something to debate about, no GREY AREAS EXIST for me as far as PROSTITUTION is concerned, but thats personal.
I cringe when I read the views of those who are still groping and searching for answer. I wish them well!
Thank you for the link.
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Post by b6k on Feb 8, 2012 7:31:01 GMT 3
The Song of Solomon describes two kinds of women. One is like a “wall”; the other is like a “door” (8:9). The woman who is pictured as a wall has built her life on convictions. She has established her life on divine truths of GOD WORD. The one pictured like a door is the kind of woman that can be easily swayed. She is “the foolish one” vulnerable to temptation and may well become a temptress herself. She is “loose and open to anything”; like a door she sways to any direction and is available in all ways… she has “turned aside” from a life of purity and integrity. She is a foolish woman. She even calls herself “Christian” but places herself in places, situations, and relationships where the potential for wrongdoing exists. If you are “The fool- ish woman” you will tear down your house with your MOUTH, your conduct and behavior AND IGNORANTLY WITH YOUR OWN HANDS. The destructive influence of foolish women is readily apparent in the caliber of women being released in our midst nowadays. Women who tear down and destroy the moral sensitivities and fiber of their own lives and by extension an entire family. I hardly hear words like wholesome, modest, discreet and chaste etc used in describing women nowadays. You see if you do not know the PURPOSE OF MARRIAGE then it is foolish FOR ANYONE TO EXPECT YOU TO FUNCTION perfectly in it. You may even call it a form of prostitution.I have said it before elsewhere "IF YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT CONDOMS ARE FOR... THEN I cannot blame you, if you use them as balloons to decorate your house. The best response to ignorance is forgiveness "FOR THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING" I am appalled at the level of ignorance over matters THAT TOUCH ON FAMILY VALUES even to the extent that someone can actually equate and classify marriage with prostitution. Here is a small lesson on the purpose of marriage- I will let someone else lecture me on prostitution.. Marriage involves you and your husband being fitted together for the purposeful function of - • Mutual fellowship. [It is not good for man to be alone] mankind has a natural desire for companionship to fulfill that need marriage had to be created • Encouragement and understanding. mankind has a natural desire and need for partnership to fulfill that need marriage had to be created
• Reproduction of children. [Go ye and multiply] mankind has a natural/spiritual reason for the proliferation of its kind and marriage is the legitimate avenue.
• The physical and spiritual aspects of sexual satisfaction. Mankind has sexual needs which must be met and marriage had to be designed to prevent sin.
So the purpose of marriage apart from being functional is also to display THE COVENANT-KEEPING LOVE between Christ and his church.
In other words, marriage was designed by God most deeply, most importantly, to be a PARABLE or AN ACTED DRAMA of the way CHRIST LOVES his church and the way the CHURCH LOVES AND FOLLOWS CHRIST.
What this means is simply this, marriage which is a covenant that involves leaving father and mother and being united with a spouse, is patterned after Christ’s commitment to HIS CHURCH
Christ DESCRIDBED Himself as the bridegroom coming for his bride, the church.
The highest purpose of marriage is the transformation dimension.
Did ever you stop to think that the intention for your marriage goes beyond
• Your comfort.
• Your happiness.
• Your desires.
What if God designed marriage to make us holy more than to make us happy?
Entering into the covenant of marriage with another sinful, desperately depraved human being forces one to face character issues that they could possibly never run into elsewhere. And if you are unwilling to change marriage is not for you.
Foresight, thanks for the classic balanced view of marriage. Celebrate the spiritual covenant not the physical bond or act for that matter. The notion that marriage is prostitution is based on an ultra-feminist world view. It may work for some, but would definitely undermine society in the longterm if adopted (or believed in) wholesale. It's already altered family values in the west to such an extent a child can have several step fathers, step mothers, & half siblings as these "liberated" people seek their soul mate. Sometimes I wonder why they just don't drop marriage altogether & start some sort of spouse library or chamaa for flavour of the season roommate. A good point for anyone who thinks marriage is prostitution to ponder is to start right at home with their own mother. Unless one was born in a brothel or in an extremely flawed household which sadly does happen, the Foresight model is more appealing than that touted by NOK & KK. |
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Post by nok on Feb 8, 2012 13:58:43 GMT 3
jukwaaTolerance Tolerance and again ToleranceIt's a Virtue that any society must embrace so as to live harmoniously. If you cannot tolerate Prostitution then you will not tolerate others; be they of a different ethnie, race, sex, political-, cultural-, social- or sexual-background. foresight and 6bkThe ideology of Marriage ( which I also adore ) and the Pragmatism of Marriage which surrounds me is the quintessence of my thoughtful food. And more than often, I have been proved more right than wrong, never denying an acquaintance with wrong  @kkAm with you on this one
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Post by b6k on Feb 8, 2012 15:22:47 GMT 3
Nok, I'm also with you on legalized prostitution. Having lived in a European country which had an organized red light district I can say it works (& no I wasn't a client ). I'm for removing the criminal element that may be behind prostitution, getting the gals (& guys) a Sex Workers' Union, cleaning up the industry (mandatory health checks, drug testing for those who use narcotics), the works. Let's replace the criminals with the biggest racketeers in town....Government. Tax it accordingly to make it top the sin tax list. Just don't bash the institution of marriage & the family while your at it |
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