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Post by Titchaz on Mar 12, 2012 0:59:32 GMT 3
Meanwhile somewhere in Central Kenya....Tension in Kirinyaga as Raila visits By GEORGE MUNENE gamunene@yahoo.com Posted Sunday, March 11 2012 at 18:47 Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Sunday took his campaigns to Kirinyaga County and addressed residents under tight security. There was heavy police presence as rumours went round that there were people planning to cause chaos over his recent remarks on the G7 prayer rallies. As Mr Odinga was addressing residents, armed police patrolled the area. Tension ensued when police intercepted a group of youths waving placards and chanting anti-Odinga slogans as they headed to the venue . The Prime Minister strongly criticised Mr Kenyatta and Eldoret North MP William Ruto for going round the country holding meetings 'disguised' as prayer rallies yet their charges were confirmed at the International Criminal Court. He said the suspects were worse than murderers and should be arrested. ODM supporters claimed that the demonstrators were hired goons whose demonstration did not have any impact. A police officer said he and his colleagues were anticipating chaos and were under orders to keep vigil Speaking at Kabare St Adrews Theological college in Gichugu constituency, during the inauguration of the Kenya Anglican University, Mr Odinga urged Kenyans to shun tribalism and engage in productive activities that would ensure speedy growth of the economy. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Tension+in+Kirinyaga+as+Raila+visits/-/1064/1364186/-/12s7dr9/-/index.htmlCancel all G7 rallies, Raila says The PM said the prayer rallies were plunging communities of the two leaders into confusion with the two leaders claiming that he was behind their indictment at the International Criminal Court (ICC). By PETER NG’ETICH pngetich@ke.nationmedia.com Posted Sunday, March 11 2012 at 13:43 The G7 Alliance should cancel all their prayer rallies, Prime Minister Raila Odinga said on Sunday. He said the rallies hosted by deputy PM Uhuru Kenyatta and Eldoret North MP William Ruto amounted to inciting the public. According to Mr Odinga, the rallies in which Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka, Transport minister Chirau Mwakwere and Saboti MP Eugene Wamalwa were present, had nothing to do with prayers. “The rallies being held by the two is under the disguise of prayers. A suspect who has committed a crime is not supposed to hold prayers in an open space but behind bars,” Mr Odinga said in an interview with Kass FM on Sunday. He said the cases of Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ruto were serious crimes against humanity and the two should not be allowed to walk freely as though nothing happened after the 2007 General Election. During the violence, about 1,333 people lost their lives and over 650,000 were displaced. The PM said the prayer rallies were plunging communities of the two leaders into confusion with claims that he was behind their indictment at the International Criminal Court (ICC). Mr Odinga said the recent document tabled in Parliament by MPs allied to Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ruto tabled was forged..... www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Cancel+all+G7+rallies+Raila+says/-/1064/1364022/-/4m96r3z/-/index.html
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 12, 2012 3:36:03 GMT 3
Besides, what moral authority does Raila Odinga have on this issue as the biggest beneficiary of the PEV. He should lead the way to the Hague as others follow. Mwalimumkuu, You can only feign ignorance so far but even that has its limit. Raila Odinga did not become prime minister courtesy of the violence, he became one because he had legitimately been elected by the majority of kenyans as their president but had his victory stolen. Then his supporters made sure that the rigged in president would not govern the country alone since he had stolen that victory and so a compromise had to be found. Now that you know the truth, please pass it to Ruto so he can stop his nonsense. Johns yours is news to me to be honest. If you know something some of us do not, please publish it here. In the meantime, Dominic Odipo has a penned what I would think could jog your memory, try to go through it polepole. www.standardmedia.co.ke/columnists/InsidePage.php?id=2000053856&cid=501&
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Post by deyiengs on Mar 12, 2012 3:36:57 GMT 3
I want Agwambo to state categorically that he wants Ouru and Ruto detained. Because they deserve it, no need to dilly-dally and let The PNU mouthpiece daily Nation do the talking for them. It's clear they wanted a response from Uhuruto who's plan now is to destabilize Kenya politically. They've started doing that by forging diplomatic documents. Nothing to fear Agwambo twende kazi. deyiengs,Welcome back ndugu... ;D ;D ;D ...habari za madayz? Ahsante ba-mdogo. ilibidi nitulize boli kwanza, lakini nimerudi kwa mshangao kweli. Jukwaa hili limegeukuwa kuwa kichinjio... lo! ******** Here is the full statement as it appeared on DN. Notice Ouru and Ruto never addressed the title on the statement. they instead addressed the title in the DN (their mouthpiece) headlines: "Uhuru and Ruto ought to be in jail, says Raila"Bure kabisa. Raila needs to keep pouncing on this topic.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 12, 2012 7:32:01 GMT 3
Well, Kamale is vindicated as this thing becomes even more interesting.
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Post by b6k on Mar 12, 2012 9:00:56 GMT 3
b6k, I have no problem with such an outcome. Let the law follow its course. But your scenario begs the question why Ruto has thusfar not been successful in trying to implicate Raila. If he has solid evidence why would he wait to present it until after the elections? I think he would want to present it as fast as he can, also in order to exonerate himself. Why has he not done so yet? If you have the answer, please let us know. And we have to bear in mind that there are four who according to Ocampo bear the greatest responsibility. They are now the Ekaterina 4. But there are many, many others who also bear responsibility and grave responsibility. While their crimes may fall short of the high treshhold of crimes against humanity, I hope and expect that the trial proceedings will expose them as participants who aided and abetted those now charged. And I think that is part of the reason for the present circus, the lies and fabrications. Many of those rallying around Uhuruto know what they did before and during PEV. They will go very far to try to stop the trials because they know that they themselves will also be exposed.And I expect that these will be folks in both the PNU and ODM camps. That is how it should be. And let the DPP and the judiciary get ready to try to these people locally with complete disregard for political affiliation. You are wrong to assume that everyone who contributes here is either pro PNU or pro ODM. Try to get used to the idea that for many of us seeing justice done is the overriding concern. furaha Furaha, it is possible that Ruto cannot out Raila because by doing so he will be incriminating himself. It wouldn't be wise for him to turn the fictional "movie" that is the ICC to a factual documentary unless, like a cornered animal it becomes clear to him that he's damned either way. You remain one of the few if justice is your goal. I happen to believe that there is no way justice will be served until the two principals assume political responsibility of the PEV irrespective of whether they are criminally responsible. The duo need to lead from the front & do a mea culpa to ALL the people of Kenya acknowledging the fact that their foot soldiers were overzealous & led us to the brink of the precipice. Only then can bygones be bygones....
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Post by b6k on Mar 12, 2012 9:11:44 GMT 3
Mwalimumkuu I like Odipo's analysis but the Nyanza figures can be a bit deceptive since Nyanza, unlike Central Province (GEMA-land), is not a tribal or cultural hegemony. There are large swathes of non-Luo Nyanza that can throw the figures off enough to give Raila less of a foothold in the entire region. If Kibaki enjoyed 97 support in Central, you can bet Raila enjoyed something like 99.5% in Luo Nyanza. I do agree that without the RVP & Luhya support, a Raila presidency is stillborn.
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Post by mangai on Mar 12, 2012 10:14:25 GMT 3
Here is the full statement as it appeared on DN. Notice Ouru and Ruto never addressed the title on the statement. they instead addressed the title in the DN (their mouthpiece) headlines: "Uhuru and Ruto ought to be in jail, says Raila"Bure kabisa. Raila needs to keep pouncing on this topic. Could somebody please tell me from this statement where Raila calls for the arrest of Uhuru and Ruto? Daily Nation deserve credit. They are very good at spinning stories to achieve their political goals.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 12, 2012 10:17:23 GMT 3
1. This is the Raila Odinga that we admire and respect. He speaks the truth as it is and not what some pedestrian political commentators expect. According to conventional wisdom promoted by the likes of Kamale and b6k, Raila should be an unfeeling political animal pretending that the top judges in the World presiding over an international court have not found substantial reasons to believe that 4 Kenyans are culpable for the worst crimes known to man. Crimes committed against fellow Kenyans. Let us repeat: It is an oddity of the ICC procedures and discretion that Uhuru, Ruto and co are roaming free when under prosecution for crimes that would NOT be bailable under Kenyan law. Facts are facts.
2. The cynical school of thought simply does not know Raila Odinga and his history. They will never comprehend the man. Most of them, are Moi political orphans who grew up thinking we should forever pander to tribal sentiment. Raila has never minced his words for such narrow political reasons. People ask why Raila is popular accross many segments of kenya's population? This here is a prime example. It is the consistent and unwavering fidelity to the greater good. And there have been many other examples: when Raila took the Goldenberg case to court in a private prosecution in the 1990s the whole country was surprised at the sheer courage. When he quit Ford-K on principle and offered himself for re-election on a new platform there were similar reactions. There many examples including the outing the Arturs, the Mau reforestation, the fight for multi-party democracy, etc. This is vintage Raila. If you do not like it, you can go and jump into a lake. Raila will NEVER sacrifice principle for short term political gain.
3. Raila Odinga could have been president today but for massive electoral theft and violence. Raila lost many supporters in the government sponsored violence. The tallying was a sham. Democratic protest was outlawed and clamped down by the State. The media was intimidated and shut off. Many Kenyans were shot dead in the back by a trigger happy police force at the command of politicians. Raila is a net looser of the events of 2007/ 2008. The democratic ideals that he had sacrificed for were being gand-raped right before his eyes. The real beneficiaries of PEV are those who stole IDP land and ensconced themselves in the farms of fleeing victims.
4. Uhuru and Ruto have been running a campaign of lies, intimidation and falsehoods. They have been stoking tribal fervor. They have skillfully manipulated the media (see ICG reports), forged documents and peddled malicious propaganda. They have twisted state machinery and even used state resources in their ICC defense. It seems the prospect of jail has not deterred these two: they continue to champion and triumph impunity, indecorous and lawless behaviour of their Kanu pedigree. That is why they had the temerity to concoct an open forgery and display it in parliament as if it were open gospel truth. Kenyans were meant to meekly accept it and Raila, the target was meant to quietly acquiesce to the insanity. Well, it is time somebody took them on. Kenyans will not allow anymore lies to stand. The country is simply too important for that.
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Post by emali on Mar 12, 2012 14:11:50 GMT 3
Raila (or his ‘secretariat’) erred on this one...why stoop to the level of Ruto & Uhuru? Raila is obviously right in what he said after all its Uhuruto who have been preaching hate across the country but this is not a logic quiz or a black & white issue...Raila instead of being a Martin Luther King he can’t fight his instincts & steadfastly remains Malcolm X...
Why not wait till they are securely behind bars? And even then no need to dance on their graves...they were doing very well on their own!
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 12, 2012 15:24:12 GMT 3
Here is the full statement as it appeared on DN. Notice Ouru and Ruto never addressed the title on the statement. they instead addressed the title in the DN (their mouthpiece) headlines: "Uhuru and Ruto ought to be in jail, says Raila"Bure kabisa. Raila needs to keep pouncing on this topic. Could somebody please tell me from this statement where Raila calls for the arrest of Uhuru and Ruto? Daily Nation deserve credit. They are very good at spinning stories to achieve their political goals. mangai,It is obvious the Daily Nation is better at forgeries than the ICC crooks. For one thing the DN forgery had no spelling problems like the other guys who couldn't figure out any spellings and grammar. What heppened to spellcheck or they don't exist in neanderthal land where these guys operate. But the more astonishing accomplishment is that the DN fraudsters did their con job while at the same time carrying out the actual story by way of a paid advertisement. So they got Raila's money and carried out the actual story and then went ahead and cooked their own story claiming Raila had called for the jailing of Ruto and Uhuru knowing very well that there is no such statement in the story they got from the Secretariat. Secondly the DN assumed as they often do that Kenyans are complete idiots who will simply accept the lies from the DN printed on the front page even though they can see with their own eyes that the story is different from what what given to the DN. To a large extent the DN was very right from what we can see that in this very thread. The truth matters very little to a whole lot of people. The spin is more important to them. That is what the DN was banking on. They must know it works from their own experience. So essentially we are dealing with two fraudsters working in tendon. The ICC chaps are cooking stuff which can't pass the stink test and taking the same to parliament. Their friends in the DN are cooking up even more stuff to be fed to the masses to serve the exact same purpose. Good for them. But here is the nightmare. For one like I have said many of us are fed up with baby sitting of killers in the country. If they want a fight it is time they got one. If the DN wants to aid in that fight thinking it is good for the suspects let them bring it on. They are going to regret that option and now is the absolute worst time for the ICC mob to declare war on those who cannot stand their grandstanding. So we really don't care about the forgeries whether they are from the Daily nation or a group of M.Ps working with and for the ICC mob. We are simply tired of their games. Secondly, the forged documents that were brough to parliament by Ruto and Uhuru allies are toxic. This was like a bank robbery attempt gone bad. The bank robbers are cornered but they are still lurking in the building somewhere. If they want to come out blazing with their guns, they are more foolish than we thought. It will be their demise. They need to hide their tails between their legs and run before this thing explodes on them. If the DN wants to cheer them on to take a fight, great. Let them come out. No forgeries are going to help them in the open space. The idea that the ICC mob can come up with forged nonsense to blackmail the country when they are already busted is beyond foolish. Ruto claims Raila's forged statement from the DN about them provides proof beyond any reasonable doubt that it is Raila who is behind their nightmare for suspected mass murder. In other words, the DN forgery is supposed to prove the forged documents before parliament as we speak. Really? Try it and let's see which forgery crumbles first. They think this is a god send set of forgeries for them. I doubt it. Let's see how they proceed with this nonsense.
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Post by b6k on Mar 12, 2012 16:12:17 GMT 3
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 12, 2012 16:58:49 GMT 3
b6kYou obviously haven't understood what I am talking about. Let's take it step by step. 1. Adongo has not said anywhere that the DN forged the UK dossier which has turned into a heap of rubbish as we speak. That is a forgery from the con artists themselves, namely the ICC mob and their allies. 2. The DN on their first page run a story headed "Uhuru and Ruto ought to be in jail says Raila". Now you tell me by reading the actual statement from the Raila Odinga Secretariat also published in the DN where exactly Raila made such a statement. I may be slow in this foreign language but I am absolutely sure no such declaration exists there. If there is please enlighten us. This is an obvious fraud from the DN. Does Raila have to stand on some roof top to help us understand that by denying this or that? No because we can see the statement from the Raila Odinga Secretariat with our own eyes. The DN owes the PM an apology but that cannot happen because the falsehood was obviously meant to achieve certain political objectives which must be greater than telling the truth as far as the DN is concerned. We understand that. 3. We are not aware that Raila called the Daily Nation to make any statement to merit the heading from the Daily Nation. If any such thing happened the DN would have pointed that out. 4. What adongo says and what Raila says are not the same. We are two different people. So where is the contradiction. adongo says it is about time the suspected mass killers were told they cannot keep lying and forging piles of rubbish and just be left alone to peddle their lies. adongo says leaders should have the guts to call out these suspects without the opportunism of bemberezaring them and baby sitting them eti to harvest votes from their supporters. That is my position. What is wrong with that? That has nothing to do with the DN manufacturing stories for the percieved benefit of the ICC mob. 5. I found it astonishing that the DN had the temirity to publish the actual advertised piece from the Odinga team and at the same time manufacture a whole lie for their front page for political shock purposes. I have no other choice but to conclude that is a political choice for the publication. It is a despicable act of partisan bias in news coverage from the largest newspaper in the country and it stinks. I stand by those sentiments. These things can be costly. That is where impunity starts.
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Post by mzee on Mar 12, 2012 17:39:32 GMT 3
If we as a people and a country refuse to call these thugs, the Ocampo boys, for what they are we will be in trouble for ever. Obviously there are people who are of the opinion that RAO is committing political suicide by telling the truth. For such people I say go to hell. Railas presidency is not the most important thing in Kenya today. I would rather see the Ocampo four behind bars than Raila president. Thousands of people are still hurting from the heinous acts they orchestrated yet they are running around the country praying for themselves.
This issue of kubembereza rapists and murderers must stop. I’m happy that RAO has once and for all decided to answer fire with fire. He has been giving these guys too much of an easy time lately.
How can Uhuruto continue insulting the intelligence of Kenyans on a daily basis yet expecting nobody to say a thing? It looks as if the arrest of these chaps is imminent. I won’t be feeling sorry for them in case it happens, my thoughts will be with the victims of PEV.
Those cheering the gang are not doing them any favor, in fact they are speeding up the process of having these chaps behind bars.
RAO should keep the attack up for those who have decided that they are not going to vote for RAO are not going to do so whether he embraces the Ocampos boys or not.
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Post by Omwenga on Mar 12, 2012 18:24:03 GMT 3
5. I found it astonishing that the DN had the temirity to publish the actual advertised piece from the Odinga team and at the same time manufacture a whole lie for their front page for political shock purposes. I have no other choice but to conclude that is a political choice for the publication. It is a despicable act of partisan bias in news coverage from the largest newspaper in the country and it stinks. I stand by those sentiments. These things can be costly. That is where impunity starts. Adongo,I echo this sentiment 100%.
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 12, 2012 19:49:51 GMT 3
5. I found it astonishing that the DN had the temirity to publish the actual advertised piece from the Odinga team and at the same time manufacture a whole lie for their front page for political shock purposes. I have no other choice but to conclude that is a political choice for the publication. It is a despicable act of partisan bias in news coverage from the largest newspaper in the country and it stinks. I stand by those sentiments. These things can be costly. That is where impunity starts. Adongo,I echo this sentiment 100%. omwenga,What the DN did yesterday was a sin. It was a complete fraud and it bothers me that they can stoop that low when we have the evidence of their fraud. They published the evidence by way of a paid ad. Just like the spelling challenged fraudsters they provided a how to bust kit with their con job. But that is scary partisan agitation from the DN. Mr. Defense,The new statement has been posted by phil on a new thread. Check it out.
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Post by Mr Defence on Mar 12, 2012 20:44:56 GMT 3
Mr. Defense,The new statement has been posted by phil on a new thread. Check it out. Thanks for pointing it out i hadnt seen the earlier post. i will pull mine down
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Post by b6k on Mar 12, 2012 21:24:11 GMT 3
b6kYou obviously haven't understood what I am talking about. Let's take it step by step. 1. Adongo has not said anywhere that the DN forged the UK dossier which has turned into a heap of rubbish as we speak. That is a forgery from the con artists themselves, namely the ICC mob and their allies. 2. The DN on their first page run a story headed "Uhuru and Ruto ought to be in jail says Raila". Now you tell me by reading the actual statement from the Raila Odinga Secretariat also published in the DN where exactly Raila made such a statement. I may be slow in this foreign language but I am absolutely sure no such declaration exists there. If there is please enlighten us. This is an obvious fraud from the DN. Does Raila have to stand on some roof top to help us understand that by denying this or that? No because we can see the statement from the Raila Odinga Secretariat with our own eyes. The DN owes the PM an apology but that cannot happen because the falsehood was obviously meant to achieve certain political objectives which must be greater than telling the truth as far as the DN is concerned. We understand that. 3. We are not aware that Raila called the Daily Nation to make any statement to merit the heading from the Daily Nation. If any such thing happened the DN would have pointed that out. 4. What adongo says and what Raila says are not the same. We are two different people. So where is the contradiction. adongo says it is about time the suspected mass killers were told they cannot keep lying and forging piles of rubbish and just be left alone to peddle their lies. adongo says leaders should have the guts to call out these suspects without the opportunism of bemberezaring them and baby sitting them eti to harvest votes from their supporters. That is my position. What is wrong with that? That has nothing to do with the DN manufacturing stories for the percieved benefit of the ICC mob. 5. I found it astonishing that the DN had the temirity to publish the actual advertised piece from the Odinga team and at the same time manufacture a whole lie for their front page for political shock purposes. I have no other choice but to conclude that is a political choice for the publication. It is a despicable act of partisan bias in news coverage from the largest newspaper in the country and it stinks. I stand by those sentiments. These things can be costly. That is where impunity starts. I still don't get you. How is it that Raila, having NOT said Uhuru & Ruto should be arrested, is taking the duo head on?
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Post by einstein on Mar 13, 2012 0:37:08 GMT 3
1. This is the Raila Odinga that we admire and respect. He speaks the truth as it is and not what some pedestrian political commentators expect. According to conventional wisdom promoted by the likes of Kamale and b6k, Raila should be an unfeeling political animal pretending that the top judges in the World presiding over an international court have not found substantial reasons to believe that 4 Kenyans are culpable for the worst crimes known to man. Crimes committed against fellow Kenyans. Let us repeat: It is an oddity of the ICC procedures and discretion that Uhuru, Ruto and co are roaming free when under prosecution for crimes that would NOT be bailable under Kenyan law. Facts are facts. 2. The cynical school of thought simply does not know Raila Odinga and his history. They will never comprehend the man. Most of them, are Moi political orphans who grew up thinking we should forever pander to tribal sentiment. Raila has never minced his words for such narrow political reasons. People ask why Raila is popular accross many segments of kenya's population? This here is a prime example. It is the consistent and unwavering fidelity to the greater good. And there have been many other examples: when Raila took the Goldenberg case to court in a private prosecution in the 1990s the whole country was surprised at the sheer courage. When he quit Ford-K on principle and offered himself for re-election on a new platform there were similar reactions. There many examples including the outing the Arturs, the Mau reforestation, the fight for multi-party democracy, etc. This is vintage Raila. If you do not like it, you can go and jump into a lake. Raila will NEVER sacrifice principle for short term political gain.3. Raila Odinga could have been president today but for massive electoral theft and violence. Raila lost many supporters in the government sponsored violence. The tallying was a sham. Democratic protest was outlawed and clamped down by the State. The media was intimidated and shut off. Many Kenyans were shot dead in the back by a trigger happy police force at the command of politicians. Raila is a net looser of the events of 2007/ 2008. The democratic ideals that he had sacrificed for were being gand-raped right before his eyes. The real beneficiaries of PEV are those who stole IDP land and ensconced themselves in the farms of fleeing victims. 4. Uhuru and Ruto have been running a campaign of lies, intimidation and falsehoods. They have been stoking tribal fervor. They have skillfully manipulated the media (see ICG reports), forged documents and peddled malicious propaganda. They have twisted state machinery and even used state resources in their ICC defense. It seems the prospect of jail has not deterred these two: they continue to champion and triumph impunity, indecorous and lawless behaviour of their Kanu pedigree. That is why they had the temerity to concoct an open forgery and display it in parliament as if it were open gospel truth. Kenyans were meant to meekly accept it and Raila, the target was meant to quietly acquiesce to the insanity. Well, it is time somebody took them on. Kenyans will not allow anymore lies to stand. The country is simply too important for that. RR,Thanks for that! One can't put it any better. Your statement above should be a pointer to many of Railaphobes out there to the fact that Raila is not trying/going to be PORK at all costs. There is no day Raila will sacrifice his principle just for the sake of becoming PORK. I think the gloves are now off!
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Post by mzee on Mar 13, 2012 11:12:14 GMT 3
In this war or words, there is no way Uhuru and Ruto will win. In my humble opinion, this might be the last nail in their ICC coffin.
Being foolish, Uhuruto can’t see that the more they shout from the rooftops about Raila Odinga, the more the political temperatures rise. This rise in temperature might be interpreted by the ICC judges, rightly, as incitement and fanning of animosity between various factions and parties in the country. In other words, the ICC might just lock these men up once they appear at The Hague again. For it would be the only way to avoid clashes come the elections. If I were the O-4 I would actually shut. Attacking RAO by falsifying/forging papers is plain stupid if you ask me.
The Uhuruto camp might be talking to the local audience, with the hope of scuttling RAO presidential ambitions, while RAO, on the other hand is talking to both national and international audience which, obviously, includes the ICC. This has a very serious implication for the thuggish mob.
The issue of Uhuruto having sympathy from the public is highly misplaced and a figment of imagination of some in this forum. To me and many Kenyans these bunch in more of a comic relief than anything else. Majority of Kenyans have washed their hands off this mob. Infact their lock up will not surprise anybody.
RAO must now gear up and sustain the attack on this bunch until the elections day. The more he drives them crazy the better. They have been having a field day for too long. Kibaki who could have helped them has reached the end of the road. He can only steal state funds to support the ICC process on behalf of the Ocampo four but apart from that he is also walking on thin ice. One misplaced word from his boys and he might find himself in deep mud, perhaps at the Hague
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Post by mugabe on Mar 13, 2012 20:41:32 GMT 3
mzee
I agree fully. Raila has to take the war to this guys. Anyway you question their tactics well I am almost reminded of the adage those who the gods wish to destroy the first make mad. From the word go the uhuruto group has been making mistakes. It is almost like they are being driven to their destruction.
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 13, 2012 22:51:08 GMT 3
Prime Minister of Kenya, Raila Amolo Odinga speaks during a press conference on March 8, 2012 at the EU Headquarters in Brussels. EU Council President Herman Van Rompuy (R) welcomes Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga (L) on March 7, 2012 before a working session at the EU Headquarters in Brussels. EU Council president Herman Van Rompuy (R) and Prime minister of Kenya Raila Odinga (L) give a joint press conference after their working session on March 7, 2012 at the EU Headquarters in Brussels. European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso (R) and Prime Minister of Kenya, Raila Amolo Odinga (L) give a joint press conference after their working session on March 8, 2012 at the EU Headquarters in Brussels. Prime Minister Raila Odinga and President of European Council Mr Herman Van Rompuy after a joint press briefing at the Justus Lipsius Building in Brussels, Belgium on March 7, 2012. There are currently three imperial capitals. DC, Brussels and Beijin. In the shadows is a fuming Moscow and a plotting Delhi [Dilli], but these two have a limited global reach. For the moment in any case. It is customary in every epoch, that top pretenders to governorships and prefectorates of some remote provinces of the empire, come to the capital to interviewed and to pledge their loyalty in search of the commission. [That is an old word for a high ranking political post.] There are interests to safegaurd, and empires like continuity. This does not always go according to plan though. On the extreme side of pretenders from hell is Patrice Lumumba. Visiting DC, he was articulate and indomitable. The congolese people wanted an independence with content, where they could exploit their natural resources for their own prosperity. He did not want to be anybody's puppet, neither did he want the Congo to be some vassal state of some external power. This was a declaration of independece far at variance with imperial codes and dictates. A will that had to be crushed. And it was the cream of Havard ---men like Obama-- of that generation that authored Lumumba's murder; of course in concert with their local allies. It was this same Havard cream that did Allende of Chile, Diem of South Vietnam and a host of other third world leaders in, in the so called CIA blackop files. Fidel Castro seems to be the solitary cat with many lives. Imperial capitals then, have a robust if invicible hand of imposing their will if met with resistance. On the ones from heaven, at least from the perspective of imperial power, Anwar Sadat [Egypt] and Boigny [Ivory Coast] may be the leading candidates form the Africa of yester years. It is with this background in mind that I view Raila's last trip to Brussels. It was a job interview. Of course he is not the only candidate, and the imperial bareaucrats at the foreign and colonial office will be interviewing all of them in various disguises, if only to have a careful impression of the thinking of the elite of that distant and far flung provice called Kenya. That a nice playground where royalties may ask their girls for their hand. Chaps like Karua and Kenneth will sure have their day at ther grill before officials from one or all three capitals. For some reason, the propaganda department of the PM botched up the spin, letting the state visit be subsumed by the furore over the response of a forged letter about the ICC indictees. Raila's visit to Brussels has thus been reduced to a private lobbying affair to fix Uhuruto ahead of the elections! courtesy of his bumbling PR machine. ----------- Herman van Rompuy is an unassuming bareaucrat. His nodescript figure is a perfect decoy for one of the EU's deadliest operators. A mean machine. The president of Europe. [Europe has many 'presidents', if you recall Donal Rumsfeld's irritation in the run to the Iraq war: hell, what is the number you call when you want to speak to the person who speaks for Europe!] Well, currently between Barroso, van Rompuy and whichever head of whatever state that occupies the rotating presidency, van Rompuy has emerged during the financial crisis as the guy on top of the game. Merkozy went on holiday leaving the stable door open, Barroso was witless and confused, but van Rompuy, who had gotten the job because he was a rat of no consequence in the eyes of the tribal chieftains of Germany and France, had the best presence of mind to bolt the stable doors and contain the crisis. He holds the job which Tony Blair was tipped to have, and it is a great story for another day [how Blair lost to him]. This wily fox sized up Raila. And I am still waiting for Dennis Onyango's version. The following account is based on titibits in the corridors, since nobody will be quoted in public, even if the stuff does not fall under the official secrets act! Not surprisingly [it is a usual trait in Kenyan politicians. Remember the new Finance minister's first meeting with the IMF last month] Raila was not well briefed on the tenacity of the fellow he was going to face. The Belgian, who never repeats his questions, giving his guests the opportunity to reveal they have no answer to them by pretending they have not heard him, inquired if all was going well with the implemetation of the new constitution, and the preparation for the elections. Yap, replied the Kenyan. And then his buttocks started to cook. [That is continental for being in a hot seat that increasingly heats up.] 2. Has the election date been agreed then? And the electoral commission, they have everything in place, foolproof? Is the head of that body in your delegation, that he can brief us more... see how rigging can be prevented in advance, such that we do not have a repeat of... PEV 2007... 3. That loan with the IMF negotiated by the last finance minister. Is the new finance minister okay with it? ... He kind of fixed the value of the shilling to the dollar without reserves.. was that a cabinet decision.... Christine Lagard's office says... your govet are barely solvent.. 4. Western oil companies are monopolising Libyan oil in the new Libya. Can we count on you if there is a surge in african nationalism in the AU, led by South Africa, against european cannibalism? 5.If the war against Iran comes... is there a problem Kenyan airspace being NATO airspace? and so too Kenyan waters... 6. You are a major oil importer, facing expensive elections. Iran is under severe sanctions and looking. If they gave you the deal of your life, would you resist? 7. You support Sachs for the World Bank! And you do not know the EU position, and you are asking Holland on behalf of your farmers to re-legalise Kat? ... not very discreet don't you think! 8. That Lamu deep port. The financing chinese want a clause that restricts millitary ships calling, to theirs only. So near the oil shipping lane, NATO finds Lamu must be a free port! we welcome a frank exchange of views! 9. The idea of a United Somali nation dies. What do you think? If we recognize Somaliland independence... Kibaki in London had no idea where.... 10. In your opinion, can the ICC indictees run for the presidency with their cases on, given your your parliament passes a law okaying it? Now, that last, the Belgian forced or smoked Agwambo out a bit. Not sure if he asked for a public indication of one way or another. Triggering the chemical exchange of the last days. ------------- I wish our politicians would learn the need to publicly account for their numerous state visits abroad. They keep the contents secret from Kenyans, while in those countries the contents are not that classified. NB: In London on the sides of the Somali conference, Kibaki could not keep his appointments, and when he did, he was incoherent and his concentration wanting. If you ask me, that is a walking corpse as the excellency your president.
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Post by b6k on Mar 14, 2012 0:24:42 GMT 3
Heavy stuff, Jakaswanga
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Post by phil on Mar 14, 2012 12:06:06 GMT 3
"It is most unfortunate for the Prime Minister to make such uncalled for remarks during this sensitive time in the country. We must not allow him to polarize our country in this way. It is such reckless talk that led us to the 2007/8 crisis which led to loss of lives and property. I will issue a comprehensive statement on this soon." Uhuru Kenyatta, Sunday 11th March 2012 That was 'statesman' Uhuru Kenyatta rebuking Raila Odinga for calling him and his political surrogates out on the matter of forged ICC/UK letters being tabled in parliament. Three days later, despite daily shameless distortions from mainstream media in Kenya, we still await Uhuru's comprehensive statement. He seem to have taken a sabatical after being imposed in the limelight as MC at both Michuki and Karume funerals. An ill-advised, ill-timed and ill-informed marketing strategy of Project Uhuru II. In the meantime, Raila Odinga Secretariat has did not waste time and has gone ahead and released a further statement re-emphasizing on the 2012 general elections and his feelings on the ICC trials. That statement has since been supported by the ODM NEC and even though Musalia is pretending not to have heard it, he feels deeply agrieved by the onslaught of his former disastrous running mate. Team Uhuru has yet to find an answer to these two statements. The normally vocal William Ruto has also taken a back seat and is unable to substantiate his claims that Raila Odinga was the chief benefitiary of the Post Elections Violence especially since RAS actually clarified that the Prime Minister was the biggest loser and Mr. William Ruto had self incriminated himself by grabbing land from an IDP and then proceeding to offer to settle with the victim out of court; after realising justice was catching up with him. Both Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto will never find subtanstive answers to Raila Odinga on those two statements, especially on the unequivocal declaration by Raila Odinga Secretariat that the forthcoming elections are actually a referendum between IMPUNIST and those WHO RESPECT RULE OF LAW. Impunity seems to be the trademark of the G-7. Who can forget their shuttle diplomacy missions? Perhaps another G-7 hate rally will do, this time at Uhuru Park. Why not hire even bigger crowds to come and chant anti-Raila songs? Or better still, a last minute 'mass defection' of Ruto, Mudavadi and others from ODM. But will it make a difference in the eyes of long oppressed and long suffering Kenyan voters? I doubt it!!!
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Mar 14, 2012 12:44:10 GMT 3
Team Uhuru has yet to find an answer to these two statements. The normally vocal William Ruto has also taken a back seat and is unable to substantiate his claims that Raila Odinga was the chief benefitiary of the Post Elections Violence especially since RAS actually clarified that the Prime Minister was the biggest loser There is no need to substantiate the obvious (with apologies to Seroney). The Prime Minister was the biggest beneficiary of the violence. Without it, he would not now be in office; and nor would his office possess the powers it now does. No one else carved out such an important office for themselves on the back of the violence.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 14, 2012 12:44:19 GMT 3
"It is most unfortunate for the Prime Minister to make such uncalled for remarks during this sensitive time in the country. We must not allow him to polarize our country in this way. It is such reckless talk that led us to the 2007/8 crisis which led to loss of lives and property. I will issue a comprehensive statement on this soon." Uhuru Kenyatta, Sunday 11th March 2012 That was 'statesman' Uhuru Kenyatta rebuking Raila Odinga for calling him and his political surrogates out on the matter of forged ICC/UK letters being tabled in parliament. Three days later, despite daily shameless distortions from mainstream media in Kenya, we still await Uhuru's comprehensive statement. He seem to have taken a sabatical after being imposed in the limelight as MC at both Michuki and Karume funerals. An ill-advised, ill-timed and ill-informed marketing strategy of Project Uhuru II. In the meantime, Raila Odinga Secretariat has did not waste time and has gone ahead and released a further statement re-emphasizing on the 2012 general elections and his feelings on the ICC trials. That statement has since been supported by the ODM NEC and even though Musalia is pretending not to have heard it, he feels deeply agrieved by the onslaught of his former disastrous running mate. Team Uhuru has yet to find an answer to these two statements. The normally vocal William Ruto has also taken a back seat and is unable to substantiate his claims that Raila Odinga was the chief benefitiary of the Post Elections Violence especially since RAS actually clarified that the Prime Minister was the biggest loser and Mr. William Ruto had self incriminated himself by grabbing land from an IDP and then proceeding to offer to settle with the victim out of court; after realising justice was catching up with him. Both Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto will never find subtanstive answers to Raila Odinga on those two statements, especially on the unequivocal declaration by Raila Odinga Secretariat that the forthcoming elections are actually a referendum between IMPUNIST and those WHO RESPECT RULE OF LAW. Impunity seems to be the trademark of the G-7. Who can forget their shuttle diplomacy missions? Perhaps another G-7 hate rally will do, this time at Uhuru Park. Why not hire even bigger crowds to come and chant anti-Raila songs? Or better still, a last minute 'mass defection' of Ruto, Mudavadi and others from ODM. But will it make a difference in the eyes of long oppressed and long suffering Kenyan voters? I doubt it!!! Phil - maybe the diatribe by a 'Johnson Munene' sent by Team Uhuru is the 'comprehensive statement'. My take is that Uhuru should first sit down with his ICC lawyers before determining how he wants to engage the public on PEV issues and impunity in general. The prayer rallies were probably designed by political advisors and have been a disaster for the case, without necessarily improving the political outlook. The forgery has also backfired and paying Semelango and Khamati to issue statements seems like an exercise in futility. I am sure there is a back and forth. I heard the clueless Tony Gachoka claim that only Paul Muite can extricate Uhuru from the ICC 'problem'. How interesting. perhaps he has a point.
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