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Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 15:29:33 GMT 3
Well, well Mr. Theorist. It does not matter that both statements came from and were signed by the same source, does it? It does not matter than one is a follow-up on the other; a response to reactions? RR, actually it doesn't matter. The former released after the G7's appeals failed seems to cast judgement on the duo, whether justifiable or not, before their court case has been heard. The latter was then hastily drafted to make political capital out of their predicament. Time will tell if Raila's "your either with us, or against us" moment works or comes back to haunt him. More correctly, the former - a reaction to the forgery: look at its heading, content and date for reference. The latter - a response to their reaction which included a falsehood. You are simply forgetting that it is Uhuru and Ruto who begun a campaign of impunity (ref - several Jukwaa discussions) as soon as their confirmations were read in January. Nobody expected their appeals to succeed. Not even their lawyers (ref to QC Kay's spinning in London). I am still waiting for the part where you side with victims exclaiming that if there is evidence as assessed by highly qualified judges, then Uhuru and Ruto must be jailed. |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 15:39:58 GMT 3
Tell that to the victims mowed down by his "kabila adui" policy taken to its extreme. Hundreds who weren't even members of the so called adui tribe were collateral damage in the ethnically chauvanistic attacks launched by ODM lieutenants & footsoldiers in '07 to '08. You are prone to baseless statements that have no basis or foundation. I suppose you think that with this sweeping statement you have explained PEV? In your dreams. Naturally, I will be content to remind you that Raila Odinga took 6 of 8 provinces and had wide cross-ethnic appeal in the last elections. The elections were peaceful. Not even a water glass was broken before KIbaki and his cronies started the theft. The long history of ethnic tensions and other grievances that some groups took advantage of is well known. You will not re-write history. Even Uhuru Kenyatta, a bitter man who keeps pushing this theory could not back it up when asked a direct question about Raila at the ICC hearings (oops, you said you were not listening to those carefully) Talk is cheap. |
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Post by mzee on Mar 13, 2012 15:41:49 GMT 3
Mr. Theorist, there you go again. You need to take a deep breath. Chill. It does not help to throw everything into a mix and jump into ridiculous conclusions without any evidence or analysis. Think for yourself - Kamale is not your mother. Why don't you try accepting the truth as is evident? A transparent forgery was brought by Uhuru and Ruto to parliament dragging the PM's name along with the President and the UK government. It was part of a wider strategy. The PM reacted and called them out. That is it. Sometimes it is as simple as that. No governments are being collapsed. Mudavadi still woke up this morning all rosy. Raila has been under 'siege' for many decades. It all has nothing to do with the price of beer or what Mutula Kilonzo had for breakfast. Sheesh! So if Kamale's my mother because I agree with him are we to take it Lincoln's your mother given your limp prophylactic addendum to his position? Forgeries aside, you need to wake up to the reality that Raila will never see the inside of State House except as he always has, as a guest of the president of the day. Raila has been under siege for many decades & will remain so until he comes to terms with the reality that as PM, a mere heartbeat away from the presidency, will be as good as it will ever get for him. Like father, like son. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride  Its not about SH but truth. Thats what matters, the rest are irrelevant. Don't be too obsessed with Raila becoming president or not. I think you must put effort on how to end impunity. It’s now apparent that the Ocampo boys have been boxed into a corner and are fighting for their very lives. If Raila is to continue this onslaught, I’m sure that the Ocampo boys would be so incensed that they would keep on breaking all the ICC rules that have so far kept them from being locked up. For these guys to end up behind bars, RAO just needs to keep up the pressure. I’m sure that the next weekend prayer rally will be dedicated to insulting Raila, ODM and other communities. What a way of giving one enough rope to hang? I’m loving it. The 04 thought that they had all Kenyans figured out and that nobody would talk about the atrocities they committed. They indeed believed that they had the sole right of attacking, insulting and humiliating everybody and whole communities in the country. This is what they have been doing for the past year or so. It seems to me that RAO has been waiting for the right moment to give these fellows a smack down. Now that the whack down has started, I wonder what cards the boys will pull. I kind of pity these fools. They are going down not knowing what hit them. |
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Post by b6k on Mar 13, 2012 15:50:10 GMT 3
Forgeries aside, you need to wake up to the reality that Raila will never see the inside of State House except as he always has, as a guest of the president of the day. Raila has been under siege for many decades & will remain so until he comes to terms with the reality that as PM, a mere heartbeat away from the presidency, will be as good as it will ever get for him. Like father, like son. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride b6k - i am of course quite silly to imagine that there will be an election to determine president. silly me. but all this is besides the point. Raila may not be president, that is what we have been trying to tell you. Certainly, not if you have to remain silent in the face of forgery, tribalism and impunity to 'live in state house' The presidency is not an end in itself. That is why we are smiling here. We have been slowly but surely achieving the objectives that we set out to achieve, regardless of Kibaki being president. That will continue irrespective of who is president in 2013. Still it may be Agwambo - progress will be faster in that case. BTW - I like this transparent b6k! I believe I was the first person to post on the forgeries thread as that. Kenyans will see through all the cloak & dagger stuff. Trust me. |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 15:52:18 GMT 3
Kamale, if i was getting a dollar for the many times 'Raila's strategy' was backfiring, I would be a millionaire. Seriously, I still do not see how Raila's strategy being 'dumb' and 'backfiring' is something that makes you so angry. I supposed you expect me to rolling in laughterand happiness at this goof. Unfortunately I get angry at anyone I expect not to act nso foolishly. Do grant me that ...kindly sir I have seen you 'rolling with laughter' at perceived goofs before. But ok - I will accept that you are angry that somebody you fervently dislike and hope will fail is doing something you consider dumb. Sometimes we have to live with contradictions. |
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Post by b6k on Mar 13, 2012 15:57:35 GMT 3
RR, actually it doesn't matter. The former released after the G7's appeals failed seems to cast judgement on the duo, whether justifiable or not, before their court case has been heard. The latter was then hastily drafted to make political capital out of their predicament. Time will tell if Raila's "your either with us, or against us" moment works or comes back to haunt him. More correctly, the former - a reaction to the forgery: look at its heading, content and date for reference. The latter - a response to their reaction which included a falsehood. You are simply forgetting that it is Uhuru and Ruto who begun a campaign of impunity (ref - several Jukwaa discussions) as soon as their confirmations were read in January. Nobody expected their appeals to succeed. Not even their lawyers (ref to QC Kay's spinning in London). I am still waiting for the part where you side with victims exclaiming that if there is evidence as assessed by highly qualified judges, then Uhuru and Ruto must be jailed. I have no problem with Ruto & Uhuru being jailed once they are proven guilty. However, I go a step further & call for Kibaki & Raila to also face some sort of "music" if for some reason they cannot face jail time as well. Otherwise the justice would be half-baked. Indeed I find the whole G7 alliance untenable because I am yet to understand just how Uhuru & Ruto intend to galvanize their constituents around them in a harmonious manner given how PEV played out between them. I may be wrong but I suspect that may be the reason the late Njenga Karume was actively pulling his community away from Uhuru before his timely demise. |
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Post by b6k on Mar 13, 2012 16:09:15 GMT 3
Tell that to the victims mowed down by his "kabila adui" policy taken to its extreme. Hundreds who weren't even members of the so called adui tribe were collateral damage in the ethnically chauvanistic attacks launched by ODM lieutenants & footsoldiers in '07 to '08. You are prone to baseless statements that have no basis or foundation. I suppose you think that with this sweeping statement you have explained PEV? In your dreams. Naturally, I will be content to remind you that Raila Odinga took 6 of 8 provinces and had wide cross-ethnic appeal in the last elections. The elections were peaceful. Not even a water glass was broken before KIbaki and his cronies started the theft. The long history of ethnic tensions and other grievances that some groups took advantage of is well known. You will not re-write history. Even Uhuru Kenyatta, a bitter man who keeps pushing this theory could not back it up when asked a direct question about Raila at the ICC hearings (oops, you said you were not listening to those carefully) Talk is cheap. If memory serves a couple of AP's lost their lives in Luo Nyanza during the polls. So glasses may not have broken, but the dying (& by extension, the killing) started early on. As for Raila taking 6 of 8 provinces, that's a fact. Even I was ODM leaning at the time, although for the first time since '92, I decided to abstain from voting because although I no longer believed in Kibaki, I wasn't fully sold on Raila either. There were just too many crooks & rogues (Kosgey, Kosgei, Ntimama, Ruto, Gumo, Okemo, Joho, etc) in his camp. It's a decision I have never regretted as I don't feel I own a part of the PEV debacle, be it the initial ODM attacks on innocents or the PNU counter attacks on innocents. |
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Post by b6k on Mar 13, 2012 16:18:18 GMT 3
Sheesh! So if Kamale's my mother because I agree with him are we to take it Lincoln's your mother given your limp prophylactic addendum to his position? Forgeries aside, you need to wake up to the reality that Raila will never see the inside of State House except as he always has, as a guest of the president of the day. Raila has been under siege for many decades & will remain so until he comes to terms with the reality that as PM, a mere heartbeat away from the presidency, will be as good as it will ever get for him. Like father, like son. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride Its not about SH but truth. Thats what matters, the rest are irrelevant. Don't be too obsessed with Raila becoming president or not. I think you must put effort on how to end impunity. It’s now apparent that the Ocampo boys have been boxed into a corner and are fighting for their very lives. If Raila is to continue this onslaught, I’m sure that the Ocampo boys would be so incensed that they would keep on breaking all the ICC rules that have so far kept them from being locked up. For these guys to end up behind bars, RAO just needs to keep up the pressure. I’m sure that the next weekend prayer rally will be dedicated to insulting Raila, ODM and other communities. What a way of giving one enough rope to hang? I’m loving it. The 04 thought that they had all Kenyans figured out and that nobody would talk about the atrocities they committed. They indeed believed that they had the sole right of attacking, insulting and humiliating everybody and whole communities in the country. This is what they have been doing for the past year or so. It seems to me that RAO has been waiting for the right moment to give these fellows a smack down. Now that the whack down has started, I wonder what cards the boys will pull. I kind of pity these fools. They are going down not knowing what hit them. Mzee, I agree impunity must end. Where our paths diverge is that you believe Raila is the man to end it whereas I believe he is part of the problem. That's the reason I don't want to see him in SH just as much as the thought of either Ruto or Uhuru winning the presidency is anathema to me. So just because I don't support Raila, doesn't mean I support Ruto or Uhuru. Raila is simply the wrong man fighting the right battles. |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 16:18:31 GMT 3
I have no problem with Ruto & Uhuru being jailed once they are proven guilty. Good. However, I go a step further & call for Kibaki & Raila to also face some sort of "music" if for some reason they cannot face jail time as well. Otherwise the justice would be half-baked. Just like Uhuru and Ruto, if there is evidence, they should face a process like the ICC. But we cannot condemn them without evidence. That is not how justice works. As of now the only people for whom evidence at international standards has been adduced are Uhuru and Ruto. I do not know what the G7 alliance stands for so I can't comment in-depth. |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 13, 2012 16:24:35 GMT 3
If memory serves a couple of AP's lost their lives in Luo Nyanza during the polls. So glasses may not have broken, but the dying (& by extension, the killing) started early on. Alas, you are right. The AP's were in plain cloth and were ferried by Citi Hoppa buses. I remember those reports. I should amend my statement to say this: the elections were generally credible and PNU attempts to rig were largely thwarted. Unfortunately a few of the state agents sent by PNU lost their lives to irate wananchi who resorted to mob violence.... |
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Post by justfacts on Mar 13, 2012 16:43:59 GMT 3
Uhuruto oft repeated line is RAO did it in 2007/8, or He should also be with us in the Dock. I would bet most of the witnesses against them are their 'own people.' So cunningly they do not bother to challenge the substance of the accusation against them but only try to milk mileage out of it by playing victim and scapegoating on RAO.
But it has been said before a potential Jambazi is not excused by mere fact that other jambazis who should have been in the dock are not there.
A major grievance in RV is LAND. Kenyatta senior and his cronies grabbed some from their neighborhood peasant who were then trans located to RV. Kenyatta junior is a major beneficiary of the same by inheritance. In RV the residents in turn sought to right the 'wrong' by returning the 'migrants' to their 'original homes.' One of these tracts is allegedly being offered back to an IDP.....by Ruto.
This put the 2 on opposite sides of the LAND question. The reason they never touch on this issue is because outside of ICC they will not agree on this major issue of 'their people.' So they would rather we talk of foreigners and RAO to mask the fact that theirs is a union of personal convenience in which community interest take a back seat.
To support them blindly is not equal to support for a commonality of interest but support for their personal cause- which is to defeat the prospect of a long jail term which is the real glue in the Uhuruto camp and a strong one indeed.
Legally speaking culpability of RAO is beside the point. If the court deems it fit to call on him one day to answer for the same then so be it. Meanwhile the 2 have already been called to have their day in court and should honor it instead of whipping up emotions to make their personal predicament a national one.
What RAO secretariat said is factual and is what many fear to address just like the land issue. It is about time the innuendo parade was called to sobriety. Rants at a dozen 'prayers' and anointing oil maketh not one innocent, a courts process may.
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Post by tom on Mar 13, 2012 18:38:42 GMT 3
RR After hiding for a considerable period I see you are back to help salvage the ship.....lol Seriously the anger I have is that anyone can let Raila take this route as a political strategy. It is seriuosly dumb! dumb!!. It will back fire on him if he is not careful...that is all I can say That is exactly RR's point. You should be infinitely celebrating that the PM has employed a dumb!, dumb! political strategy, instead of going ballistic. That the same strategy will back fire on him, should with all intent, send all your lids erupting with steam-like valour. Just enough to get Kengen thinking about tapping it into the national power grid. |
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Post by deyiengs on Mar 13, 2012 19:20:37 GMT 3
Kudos RR for dedicating you time and effort to respond to these crazy PNU agents.
Sometimes I feel that Ruto and Ururu are among these Jukwaist contributing in this forum.
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Post by mangai on Mar 13, 2012 19:31:51 GMT 3
If the story below is to be believed, then one can understand why Team Raila is reacting the way they are doing................ www.mm.co.ke/?p=6097For the last three days, three people have managed to keep their names in the headlines. Raila, Ruto and Uhuru are having a ‘Mine is bigger’ moment and it’s playing out in the media. On Sunday night, a show on Kameme Fm hosted by a chap called Gatonye wa Mbugua decided to discuss the Prime Minister and his many many shortcomings, at one point Uhuru Kenyatta called into the show. The discussion took a tragic turn when one of the guests in studio called the prime minister an enemy to the Kikuyu community ‘cause of his ‘Double speak’ brought on by his ‘Five mouths’ . On Social media, one of the CHAPS on the station doesn’t waste time telling us which camp he eats from. Let me not repeat everything they said, but you get the drift. Uhuru Kenyatta has relations to MediaMax and he (or his people) are already using MediaMax to ‘waste’ their opponents. Kameme is very popular in Central, for folks who CONSUME nothing but Kameme Fm, will they ever ever respect the PM? NO! They know he’s a monster that’s destroying ‘their people’ Where the .... is Mzalendo Kibunja?? Politicians are going HAM on each other and he’s busy talking about ‘Burrogs and the social media’ when the ICC topics were all over the damn place in January, MM had to shut down for a few weeks ‘cause someone told us our website was being monitored for hate speech. Yeah, because we have a larger audience than the vernacular radio stations. We’re only in March and this ...... is already on gear number 2, because we can’t track everything … MM is adding one page to the website. We’re calling the page ‘Speech Tracker’ if you stumble upon any talk show that is obviously crossing the lines with its discussions, please tell us (and the rest of the community) on that page. We’ll then email CCK and Kibunja’s people (and pray they take action) if you’d like to email any clips, the email is info@mm.co.ke Shame on you Kameme Fm. |
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 14, 2012 1:53:16 GMT 3
mangai,The ethnic hate and incitement going on with the ICC devil worship rallies are incredible. I mean prayer meetings. I watched one TV clip where Kiema Kilonzo, the one whose name will now be forever linked to forged documents in parliament was screaming like a lunatic with all sorts of tribal incitement where he said Ocampo is a Luo, Obama is a Luo and they are all working for Raila. I mean stupidity is fine with me but some of this stuff is off the wall. This was being aired on TV. That is how crazy the ICC suspects have been. Basically what is going on in the country today is outright ethnic incitement by the ICC suspects and the assumption it seems is that they are just attacking one community anyway and they can deal with the consequences very safely. Strangely enough that is the exact same game plan with the presidential election fraud in 2007. It never worked. Who knows where the current incitement by the ICC mob will lead. But I have one question to ask. Does anybody know what the crooks did with their forged documents in parliament. I saw a clip in parliament where some ODM M.Ps were claiming since the documents were forged they should not be discussed in parliament. In my view that is a wrong move. Just give the fraudsters enough rope to hang themselves. They are already in a lot of trouble with that piece of junk. Let them present it. In fact encourage them to present it. Then ask for it to be verified which is a normal procedure in parliament. As it is the documents are already in the custody of parliament and will be handed over the Parliamentary Defense Committee which will also meet with the British Undersecretary. The documents will also be the subject of discussions between the Undersecretary and the president as well as the PM. So they are no longer the private property of the ICC fraudsters. My question is where are the forged "gems"? The other matter of interest to me is the issue Raila raised about who are the beneficiaries of the PEV. Ruto had been going all over the place telling us how Raila is the beneficiary. Raila responded by saying that Ruto is known to have grabbed 100 acre land from an IDP which he is struggling to give back after he takes off his fences and cons the IDP further by refusing to pay for compensation. Raila was clear that Ruto is trying to return grabbed land to avoid legal problems of being one of those who was grabbing land as people were forced to flee with their lives. Ruto's problem is that here he is being charged with organising and facilitating mass murder and displacement of "wrong" folk in the Rift Valley. He has denied that and balmed Raila for it. Now here is concrete evidence that he was actually grabbing their land as they were forced to flee and that he has held on to that land until today and now wants to negotiate his way out of the mess. Imagine Raila did anything like that. Some people here would be screaming through their eyeballs to tell us how Raila was uprooting people to grab their land. So far I have not heard any of the Uhuruto supporters and their apologists coming in the many forms that they do, address this outright evidence of Ruto robbing land from people fleeing the violence. To me it is a very important piece of the puzzle of the PEV. It is not a footnote or a romour like some of the stuff some people gobble endlessly. It is real. No wonder none of the apologists for the ICC suspects want to touch that hot potato.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 14, 2012 6:41:53 GMT 3
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Post by b6k on Mar 14, 2012 7:55:42 GMT 3
Ouch! Mwalimumkuu you should've added that the hard hitting article above is from the office of DPM Uhuru Kenyatta. It's interesting how both camps have adopted the strategy of fighting through their secretariats or PR point men. Looks like the goodwill they briefly had when Uhuru & his family shared a goat with Raila at his Karen home after his brain surgery is long forgotten. The gloves are surely off! |
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Post by samson on Mar 14, 2012 8:30:15 GMT 3
Those who were in kenya from 05 to 07 know what happened, who preached hatred and tribalism that eventually exploded early 08.no amount of preaching will change that
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 14, 2012 23:22:33 GMT 3
b6k and mwalimuWhen it comes to the contention that Raila in anyway can influence that court at the Hague, i advice you guys to read how those judges reason and defend their legal decisions at jurisprudence. tnk posted the latest rulings in which they made mince-meat of the latest appeals. There is a display of careful thinking, reasoned shifting of angles, comparative references which I must admit, have left me feeling a bit insulted as a Kenyan, for the kind of muddled thinking our lawyers are usually upto. --i re-read Warsame's judgement on Miguna and Kiplagat [TJRC], and I just felt sorry for myself! because of the total contempt I felt at Warsame, a fellow black, and the respect the majorly caucasian board was forcing me to grant them. It makes me feel very uncomfortable. Like we Kenyans are so used to substandard services, pseudo judges and dim lawyers and a corrupt legal system, we think that is the rule in the world! And we cannot believe otherwise! Raila cannot influence the thinking in that ICC drama in a million years. So to have a section of educated Kenyans intertaining that notion, one of them refering to himself as a leading presidential candidate, is once more a low point. And Munene at UK's office, I see UK is still DPM, is plane warped. UK must hire a better thinking propagandist. A man accused of crimes against humanity continues to hold a state office, and he is talking about others lowering their stature??? Must learn to use the same tape [moral] measure so well on the opponent as your man, or you are a dead man on the job. This is giving propagandists a bad name! quadrupled renumerations, but worse service than medical staff at a provincial hospital in kenya!
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Post by deyiengs on Mar 15, 2012 8:27:56 GMT 3
Adongo, meanwhile vintage Gado is at it again: Don't you all love this dude? 
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Post by b6k on Mar 15, 2012 8:28:43 GMT 3
Raila cannot influence the thinking in that ICC drama in a million years. So to have a section of educated Kenyans intertaining that notion, one of them refering to himself as a leading presidential candidate, is once more a low point. Jakaswanga, I don't subscribe to that school of thought. If anything, Raila is as likely as any Kenyan leader to find himself embroiled in the ICC morass, hence his passionate push for a local process where all sins could've been forgiven. |
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Post by phil on Mar 15, 2012 9:03:49 GMT 3
Raila cannot influence the thinking in that ICC drama in a million years. So to have a section of educated Kenyans intertaining that notion, one of them refering to himself as a leading presidential candidate, is once more a low point. Jakaswanga, I don't subscribe to that school of thought. If anything, Raila is as likely as any Kenyan leader to find himself embroiled in the ICC morass, hence his passionate push for a local process where all sins could've been forgiven. On the contrary, when the ICC takes over judicial processes then the country can be adjudged to be a failed state. Moreover, a local special tribunal - as projected in by Waki Commission - makes it easy to charge most of the perpatrators and facilitates easy participation of many victims, unlike the ICC which has only charged four persons when it is known hundred of people took part in the PEV. That is why you have prominent people - including those who crafted the NARA which gave birth to AGENDA-4 themselves - flip flopping from tribunal to ICC to TJRC and at times to let by-gones be by-gones. Raila has remained steadfast in seeking justice for all the victims, even including those who did not vote for him. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 15, 2012 20:49:22 GMT 3
Raila cannot influence the thinking in that ICC drama in a million years. So to have a section of educated Kenyans intertaining that notion, one of them refering to himself as a leading presidential candidate, is once more a low point. Jakaswanga, I don't subscribe to that school of thought. If anything, Raila is as likely as any Kenyan leader to find himself embroiled in the ICC morass, hence his passionate push for a local process where all sins could've been forgiven. I mean influence in the sense of having some covert capacity to fix Uhuruto, as in co-write the possible sentence at the Hague! UK's claims seem to suggest he thinks Raila is in a position to manipulate the court [either through his own agwambo powers or the help of his other two cousins Obama and Okambo]. I think this is hotsh!t. There is a whole battery of watchful international lawyers who would make the court effectively moribund. But there is an elephant in the room which I think You have pointed at. 1. It is on record [seems the best source was Kenyan intelligence files] that Kibaki facilitated a meeting of the Mungiki group at State House]. During the full trial, I think Kibaki will be summoned to shed more light on these events, unless he pleads mental incapacity, due to old age or total amnesia. It possible Kibaki's statements are what could absolve the son of Jomo. 2. In Luo there is something called 'atho kodi', loosely translatable as 'I die with you'! The genesis of this statement is the chaotic, life and death situation in which a boat full with a disproportionate number of non-swimmers capsizes. As the competent swimmers try to float and swim to salvation, the non-swimmers grab any part of their body or clothing and pull them down to the sea bed --I die with you! And if there is one rubber buoy, tens of people in frenzy fight for it, that they all end up sinking with the thing to the bottom --atho kodu!This, I discern, will be Ruto's mental frame during the trial. And no prices for who he will die with, or tho godo. So Obako and Agwambo may still have their day before that scary court, even if only to clarify a few points raised by either the defendants, or the OTP. |
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Post by b6k on Mar 15, 2012 23:53:20 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, I don't subscribe to that school of thought. If anything, Raila is as likely as any Kenyan leader to find himself embroiled in the ICC morass, hence his passionate push for a local process where all sins could've been forgiven. I mean influence in the sense of having some covert capacity to fix Uhuruto, as in co-write the possible sentence at the Hague! UK's claims seem to suggest he thinks Raila is in a position to manipulate the court [either through his own agwambo powers or the help of his other two cousins Obama and Okambo]. I think this is hotsh!t. There is a whole battery of watchful international lawyers who would make the court effectively moribund. But there is an elephant in the room which I think You have pointed at. 1. It is on record [seems the best source was Kenyan intelligence files] that Kibaki facilitated a meeting of the Mungiki group at State House]. During the full trial, I think Kibaki will be summoned to shed more light on these events, unless he pleads mental incapacity, due to old age or total amnesia. It possible Kibaki's statements are what could absolve the son of Jomo. 2. In Luo there is something called 'atho kodi', loosely translatable as 'I die with you'! The genesis of this statement is the chaotic, life and death situation in which a boat full with a disproportionate number of non-swimmers capsizes. As the competent swimmers try to float and swim to salvation, the non-swimmers grab any part of their body or clothing and pull them down to the sea bed --I die with you! And if there is one rubber buoy, tens of people in frenzy fight for it, that they all end up sinking with the thing to the bottom --atho kodu!This, I discern, will be Ruto's mental frame during the trial. And no prices for who he will die with, or tho godo. So Obako and Agwambo may still have their day before that scary court, even if only to clarify a few points raised by either the defendants, or the OTP. Indeed, Jakaswanga. "I die with you" nails it. Citizen Kibaki would be "invited" to testify from retirement if he hasn't sauntered off to the green pasture in the sky by then, while President Odinga (God forbid) would have the ignominious distinction of testifying as a sitting head of state. Yikes! |
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