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Post by chokoraa on Mar 24, 2012 12:54:27 GMT 3
Kamale,Stop playing the victim card here. It is uncalled for. If anybody is behaving like a cornered cat it is this GEMA so called leaders. They obviously don't know what to do. You have to feel sorry for them. They probably have never known such helplessness. Mara they are petitioning the ICC to postpone the cases. Mara they will take the case to the UN General Assembly. They need to wake up from such bad dreams before they become full blown nightmares which could be very soon. It is sad to see Kiraitu Murungi a lawyer by training making such absurd arguments. Jakaswanga refered to Uhuru as a person whose only claim to fame is organising thugs to kill and rape Luos. We all know what Jakaswanga is talking about. If you want to address that do so and deal with jakawanga instead of hiding behind the myth that such arguments are the gist of this thread. You know they are not. Talk to Jakaswanga and stop your usual tactic of turning things into arguments about Luo this and Luo that. Adongo Whilst I would not encourage a career change into comedy, that one of a cornered Gema did make me laugh!!! Why would Gema be a cornered cat and even if it was, why the overwhelming interest and condemnation from the Luo nation in Jukwaa against these Gema noisemakers in Limuru? It surely does shake some nerves for these reactions! Kamalet, The condemnation of RAO and the statement by uhuru that ''mimi adui wangu siyo kabila moja, ni mtu moja tu!'' is really backward and war mongering, to say the least. Why does he have to state that in a tribal grouping meeting and say his fight is against an individual? Is he pitting GEMA against RAO? Why did he not call a press conference and say that as an individual? UK is rallying a whole combination of three Mount Kenya tribes against RAO and he expects us to look aside? The Kale's have seen the trick and WSR has gone underground. I also do not understand how such a big group can come up with a resolution like the million x2 signatures to petition the ICC court to serve their selfish interests? Kwani I thought this was a convergence of intelligent people, how on Earth do you come up with such a dumb decision after spending a whole day? Their time is gone with the Kibaki era tribal leaders,and any ''young man'' preaching Gema today is like one dancing to kwasa kwasa. You must be in some comedy show to show that you are relevant. the rest of Kenya is soon going to do to them what the naija brothers have done to the ibo, or is happening to the baganda next door here. My advise to UK:- you can run now - look at how Gaddafi died, the issue was the ICC threat, he opted to die under a culvert than go to exile and be jailed in the hague. Look at Bashir, Gbagbo. If UK and GEMA thinks they have more influence than these three let them go on chest thumping. Meanwhile he should be building a bunker in one of the remote pieces of land he inherited from his father. That may be his salvation. Otherwise go to the Hague very quitely.... and hope that you can wiggle your way out of the dock.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 24, 2012 14:40:46 GMT 3
I think the GEMA meeting is very useful imagery for trial judges sitting at The Hague if they are wondering what sort of command and control hold Uhuru Kenyatta has over his ethnic community. Uhuru is extremely powerful; he is the King of the Kikuyu tribe and commands its rogue militia, the Mungiki
I wonder why the police did not disperse that meeting and investigate its leaders for subversive activities. For what does it mean for a tribe to meet and plot how NOT to follow the law of the land?
The GEMA meeting and its resolutions fall neatly into a pattern that inexorably leads us to two conclusions. Uhuru Kenyatta is NOT planning to face justice at The Hague. He will abscond. Are the guilty afraid? The forgeries, the attacks on Raila (as a scapegoat) and the UK (to invoke age old Kikuyu anti imperialism fervor of the 1950s when the older Kenyatta was in detention), the increasingly hardening positions regarding the ICC from both his lawyers and political henchmen suggest a carefully cultivated strategy that leads to non cooperation. The ICC may rue its decision not to arrest these suspects in Holland last year.
This path, though, is fraught with risk:
FIRST, the ethnic mobilization is counter-productive. Uhuru will be running for president on a GEMA platform. His clarion call will be ‘Impunity Forever’. Moderate Kikuyu’s, other tribes will be put off. The Kikuyu hegemony and nationalism that he has promoted revives the majimbo debate in terms of higher levels of County independence. People will be more understanding of groups such as the MRC in light of this Kikuyu revivalism. Most analysts will agree that the Kikuyu will lose most if Kenya went completely tribal and federal.
SECOND, Uhuru by accepting that he is in fact a tribal leader rather than a national leader has made defense at the ICC more difficult.
THIRD, Uhuru and GEMA have wrong-footed their political partners. It remains to be seen how he will explain the fact that decisions that have been made by the tribe at Limuru must somehow now be accepted in the groups they are building such as KKK, G7 etc. Further these alliances are now clearly exposed for what they are: alliances based on tribal leadership rather than any ideological or policy platforms.
FOURTH, Uhuru’s image internationally is now in tatters. He is veering towards the Mugabe caricature.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 24, 2012 16:37:56 GMT 3
Adongo Whilst I would not encourage a career change into comedy, that one of a cornered Gema did make me laugh!!! Why would Gema be a cornered cat and even if it was, why the overwhelming interest and condemnation from the Luo nation in Jukwaa against these Gema noisemakers in Limuru? It surely does shake some nerves for these reactions! Kamalet, The condemnation of RAO and the statement by uhuru that ''mimi adui wangu siyo kabila moja, ni mtu moja tu!'' is really backward and war mongering, to say the least. Why does he have to state that in a tribal grouping meeting and say his fight is against an individual? Is he pitting GEMA against RAO? Why did he not call a press conference and say that as an individual? UK is rallying a whole combination of three Mount Kenya tribes against RAO and he expects us to look aside? The Kale's have seen the trick and WSR has gone underground. I also do not understand how such a big group can come up with a resolution like the million x2 signatures to petition the ICC court to serve their selfish interests? Kwani I thought this was a convergence of intelligent people, how on Earth do you come up with such a dumb decision after spending a whole day? Their time is gone with the Kibaki era tribal leaders,and any ''young man'' preaching Gema today is like one dancing to kwasa kwasa. You must be in some comedy show to show that you are relevant. the rest of Kenya is soon going to do to them what the naija brothers have done to the ibo, or is happening to the baganda next door here. My advise to UK:- you can run now - look at how Gaddafi died, the issue was the ICC threat, he opted to die under a culvert than go to exile and be jailed in the hague. Look at Bashir, Gbagbo. If UK and GEMA thinks they have more influence than these three let them go on chest thumping. Meanwhile he should be building a bunker in one of the remote pieces of land he inherited from his father. That may be his salvation. Otherwise go to the Hague very quitely.... and hope that you can wiggle your way out of the dock. Chokoraa I would have had major issues if the statement had been one where Uhuru or the group were against a "kabila" as that would be plainly wrong. However being against and "mtu moja" is fair game to any one in politics. So if Uhuru has a problem with Raila as an individual, I am not sure why you would be whining that such a statement is wrong! People do daft things that are totally unhelpful and this one of 2 million signature ranks quite high in the stupidity index not disimilar to the stone throwing Gor Mahia fans as in both cases it is pointless....the signatures will not release Uhuru as did the stone throwing not beat Ingwe on the pitch! You Gadaffi analogy is rather misplaced...No one will be killing Uhuru for failing to go to the Hague. He will perhaps be president and just like Bashir will show the finger to the ICC and no one can do anything about it apart from whine!
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Post by OtishOtish on Mar 24, 2012 16:52:17 GMT 3
He will perhaps be president and just like Bashir will show the finger to the ICC and no one can do anything about it apart from whine! There is another possibility: He will perhaps be found guilty and just like Lubanga will be shown a finger by his victims and no one can do anyhing about it apart from whine about the 30-to-life sentence!
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Post by stibin on Mar 24, 2012 16:58:34 GMT 3
How Bishop becomes a chairman of tribal grouping (GEMA) is unfathomable, this is so nauseating and sick, how far will this old people divide Kenyans into tribal groupings and fear of “our tribe is victimized”. GEMA (Gikuyu,Embu,Meru and Akamba) has today graduated into an official party of warlords planning how to finish this country of Kenya…I am very worried about this The tribal ""Bishop" : www.methodistmessage.com/mar2006/peaceaward.htmlThe main reason the old Bishop in the name of Imathiu (he hails from Meru) is the chairman is to allow the Agikuyu to keep on fooling their Meru cousins, who have always played second fiddle in matters political, that they are part of the journey to state house. The truth is that GEMA is purely an agenda of a few misguided kikuyu elites who for some historical reasons think that the country’s leadership is theirs to keep.
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Post by job on Mar 24, 2012 18:45:55 GMT 3
Kamale’s comparative analogy of this particular GEMA with the Luo Council of Elders is misplaced. These are incomparable apples and oranges. To put things in context, Otondi’s Luo Council of Elders is a monolithic cultural formation representing a single tribe. Imathiu’s GEMA is a tripartite political entity mobilizing the three tribes of Agikuyu, Aembu and Ameru; along the political doctrine of “widening the tent”. The latter is analogous to Moi’s KAMATUSA mobilization of the Kalenjin, Maasai, Turkana, and Samburu into one political unit. Whereas Otondi’s Council would be concerned with matters such as enshrining Kit Mikayi, building cross cultural friendships, or putting up a mausoleum for Lwanda Magere; Imathiu’s Association would be passing resolutions on how to petition the ICC or mobilize GEMA to vote for Uhuru Kenyatta.[/b] Having deposed Riaga Ogallo, the former Luo Council Chairman who politicized that formation, Otondi’s Luo Council of today is largely a cultural entity. Forget the counterfeit replicas such as the one that crowned William Ruto an “elder”. Riaga Ogallo’s addiction to frequent patronage trips to Gadaffi, Museveni, Moi and others (who could dole out largess) turned the Luo Council into a political lobby – virtually singing pro-Gadaffi or pro-any-politician that could dish out cash. That era ended with Riaga. Make no mistake, Uhuru Kenyatta’s fervent and expensive effort to revive GEMA is premised on nothing but political numbers. With the assumption he already has most of the Agikuyu vote in the bag, his is now a hurried need to solidly consolidate the Meru and Embu communities also behind him. The fishes being baited for political hoodwinking here are the Embu and Meru. Tactically, the GEMA Chairmanship of Lawi Imathiu, a revered & retired Bishop of the Methodist Church ( one of the dominant Churches in the greater Meru region) is based on this premise. Use of paid political handymen like Kareke Mbiuki for Igembe youth mobilization also falls along the plot. The biggest sub-story to come out of this is Uhuru Kenyatta’s metamorphosis from an urbane, youthful nationalist (back in 2002); into a passionate ethnic Kingpin. This may have been precipitated by the ICC conundrum; and partly, by the fear that Ruto may pull in a surprise number 2 in the first round (don't laugh - this is serious). In essence there’s an intra-G-7 race to consolidate ethnic blocs. If Ruto can consolidate a good chunk of the KAMATUSA who voted NO at the referendum; and get a few more; and should the Embu go with say Karua; and the Meru vote scatter; these could spell trouble for Uhuru’s own prospects for an automatic second round ticket. Don't think GEMA honcos haven't noticed the often whispered clarion about "Kikuyu's should support a non-Kikuyu this time" emanating from Ruto's allies at the Coast (Mwakwere) and North East (Duale). A little diversion - it's as if the latter have also not heard the bigger clarion whispered in grapevine, about " both Kikuyus and Kalenjins should support a non-Kikuyu and non-Kalenjin this time". I look at this Limuru conference as a campaign platform in the race for the number 2 slot – ticket for run-off. This whole plan is entirely premised without consideration of the ICC factor (brazen denial). It’s no wonder the GEMA delegates at Limuru were led to believe they could actually influence the ICC court calendar. They had the temerity to launch a 2-million signature petition to the court. Since Uhuru is likely reasoning without ICC in mind, let’s interrogate his thinking. Uhuru may be thinking the ICC cases won’t affect his or Ruto’s political chances in a first round presidential election. Ruto may actually be dreaming he could use his NO referendum credentials to pull in a surprise number 2 – ticket for run-off. To ensure there is indeed a run-off, both Uhuru and Ruto are likely propping Eugene Wamalwa to scatter the Bukusu vote and deny Raila a possible consolidated Luhya vote. Bolstering Musalia’s ODM primary challenge falls along this tactic of scattering, or turning-off the Luhya against Raila (don’t be surprised Musalia makes a solo run after losing the ODM primary). In all these, the advantage for number 2 remains a tussle between Uhuru and Ruto. Thus the likely assumptions at the Limuru conference: If Uhuru consolidates the GEMA vote, and Ruto fails to consolidate the KAMATUSA vote, Uhuru automatically gets to the run-off. Kalonzo had hoped to “inherit” both Uhuru and Ruto’s constituencies to secure either an outright 1st round victory or sure ticket into the run-off. But with both Ruto and Uhuru in the first round, Kalonzo is relegated to either number 3, 4, or 5 thus inconsequential in as far as the run-off goes. Thus in this dreamers world, where ICC is a “non-issue”, the contest being anticipated is one that ultimately has Uhuru and Raila in a run-off. The Limuru delegates of GEMA actually think that should there be a run-off between Uhuru and Raila, the BOSS would win, thanks to GEMA alliances with Kalenjin (Ruto), Luhya (Eugene, & possibly a fallen Musalia), Kamba (Kalonzo &/or Ngilu) and others. All this, with the nation holding collective amnesia, and/or complete disregard of the ICC and the international community! That’s the fantasy. But then we have reality. The ICC calendar will run simultaneously with presidential campaigns. Whether there is absconding(non-cooperation), warrants, orders for asset freezes, or arraignment with further emergence of horrific tales and details of mass murder,; the ICC will have some influence on the presidential vote, period! The truth is, there’s a reason why Uhuru is crawling back to his GEMA cacoon. After the gory details of BOSS Uhuru’s masterminding of Mungiki PEV retaliatory murders, rapes, and persecution during the ICC Pre-Trial, it has become harder for Uhuru to convince non-Agikuyu of his nationalist or statesman credentials. Voters don’t usually run to support mass murderers; they tend to run away from them. Uhuru is slowly finding out that enthusiasm for his Presidency is only high amongst his kin; who actually hold him up for a hero of sorts. By solidifying this support, especially among the peripheral Embu and Meru, Uhuru sees a chance of being among the top-two in a first round election – giving him a sure ticket for a run-off. This is the bloc most likely to turn a blind eye to ICC proceedings; giving him the run-off ticket. By simultaneously demonizing Raila Odinga (the other likely second-round contender) and painting him as a poodle of the West (Brits and Americans), Uhuru hopes the rest of the nation will simply follow him, giving the BOSS the Presidency. I could be wrong, but me thinks he is smoking some very potent leaf of a psychotropic plant. Finally, Jakaswanga made a very important remark regarding GEMA’s business elite, particularly those partnering with Uhuru, and even those banking big cash in Uhuru’s institutions during this season of Uhuru’s anti-Western & anti-ICC rhetoric. Should ICC’s asset forfeitures, asset freezes come calling; should targeted international sanctions come; be prepared to see an entire elite class going down hard alongside Uhuru; ala Gadaffi and allies in Libya or Gbagbo and allies in Ivory Coast. I am yet to be convinced majority Kenyans will come out rebelling when ICC freezes Uhuru Kenyatta’s or William Ruto’s assets – anticipating restitution and compensation to poor victims. Will anyone be shocked if instead, there’s an outpouring of celebratory/victory laps to honour justice! If I still had a penny in Uhuru’s bank, it’s one I surely won’t need. If I still kept joint-shares with Uhuru in a corporation, they must be stocks I’m willing to leave for charity. The writing is clearly on the wall.
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Post by justfacts on Mar 24, 2012 19:22:18 GMT 3
RR,
You nailed it.
The 'Tuko Pamoja' phrase means naught if Uhuru was behind this Limuru thing. It would only then apply to the group. The rest justifiably end up feeling like tenants in their country who have to make do being subservient to the ethnic triumvirate.
Uhuru has declared he will do anything to protect 'his people' was he referring to the Kenyan people? The 'people's' opinion leaders are now busy galvanizing (they have numbers) to trash OUR laws to unchain their 'hope'
But for how long? self determination is the clarion call of real democracy. Majimbo debate has been informed by the same thinking. Minorities are increasingly saying 'you can keep your superior numbers in your back yard, we are calling it quits'.
The logic here is if a group feels it cannot be effectively represented in leadership because of such 'numerical gerimandering' then they will seek to have their own domain. With plastic democracy, why even bother voting when such ganging makes a joke of the process.
We should think Kenya not GEMA......... and if choose to do so then we should not expect every one else to sit and watch and not counter the move.
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Post by Mr Defence on Mar 24, 2012 20:29:51 GMT 3
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Post by akinyi2005 on Mar 25, 2012 3:04:10 GMT 3
maina njenga undoubtedly commands respect and admiration from certain members of his community. question is, does he feature in the grand plans? Here he is. Former mungiki leader Maina Njenga has come out in defence of the youth who disrupted Friday's GEMA convention in Limuru and blamed organisers of the event for causing the chaos that disrupted the meeting ...Njenga says the wrangles among Mount Kenya region leadership are motivated by succession battles following the passing on of former cabinet ministers Njenga Karume and John Michuki ...Njenga who was prevented from addressing the gathering Friday also cautioned deputy prime minister Uhuru Kenyatta over his frequent tirades against ODM leader Raila Odinga. ktnkenya.tv/
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Post by moesha on Mar 25, 2012 4:44:10 GMT 3
The gema community in a meeting dubbed Limuru II has endorsed Uhuru as the community's flag bearer in the forth coming elections. Among other resolutions, the community will collect upto 2 million signatures to petition the ICC to drop the cases facing Uhuru and three others.
A very interesting develop as the race to state house moves into the second gear. More to follow... I thought this was a joke. Two million signatures to petition ICC to drop the cases, and allow for a peaceful election? Really. That sounds more like a threat; that if Uhuru's name doesn't appear at the ballot box, there will be consequences. According to one Mutula Kilonzo, that is wishful thinking. Those advising UK to skip the ICC trials are really not doing him a favor. “Warrants of arrest would be issued in case of defiance and the prosecutor (Luis Moreno-Ocampo) will demand the cooperation of the Kenya government to arrest and hand over the suspects,” cautioned Mr Kilonzo.
The minister also pointed out that assets of the accused may be seized as spelt out in the Rome Statute."www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/You+cant+postpone+Hague+trials+Uhuru+men+warned+/-/1064/1373198/-/63awjq/-/index.html
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Post by kamalet on Mar 25, 2012 8:08:56 GMT 3
Kamale’s comparative analogy of this particular GEMA with the Luo Council of Elders is misplaced. These are incomparable apples and oranges. To put things in context, Otondi’s Luo Council of Elders is a monolithic cultural formation representing a single tribe. Imathiu’s GEMA is a tripartite political entity mobilizing the three tribes of Agikuyu, Aembu and Ameru; along the political doctrine of “widening the tent”. The latter is analogous to Moi’s KAMATUSA mobilization of the Kalenjin, Maasai, Turkana, and Samburu into one political unit. Job You are trying to be clever by a quarter here. So just because GEMA is a meeting of three tribes it cannot be equated with the Luo Union which is monolithic!!! You perhaps needs to look for the history or GEMA before it was banned and why it took these three communities and even left out the Kamba for instance. What you are trying to do is what Moi tried when thought that breaking down the Meru community would make the community smaller in the political arithmetic of communities. GEMA does not get together to make political numbers (they have them already and show it in the polls without an organisation!), they come together for no other reason by to counter the stupidity of statements by Raila of 41 vs 1. I will not even bother about the work of the new Ker for we all know that Riaga was kicked out for political reasons when he questioned the dominance of a single family and immediately his days as Ker became numbered. So yes the new Ker will work to get Kit Mikayi made a heritage site as GEMA will lead in getting key gikuyu sites get similar attention! Bottom line...they both are political Job. Get used to it!
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 25, 2012 18:09:45 GMT 3
Kamale’s comparative analogy of this particular GEMA with the Luo Council of Elders is misplaced. These are incomparable apples and oranges. To put things in context, Otondi’s Luo Council of Elders is a monolithic cultural formation representing a single tribe. Imathiu’s GEMA is a tripartite political entity mobilizing the three tribes of Agikuyu, Aembu and Ameru; along the political doctrine of “widening the tent”. The latter is analogous to Moi’s KAMATUSA mobilization of the Kalenjin, Maasai, Turkana, and Samburu into one political unit. Job You are trying to be clever by a quarter here. So just because GEMA is a meeting of three tribes it cannot be equated with the Luo Union which is monolithic!!! You perhaps needs to look for the history or GEMA before it was banned and why it took these three communities and even left out the Kamba for instance. What you are trying to do is what Moi tried when thought that breaking down the Meru community would make the community smaller in the political arithmetic of communities. GEMA does not get together to make political numbers (they have them already and show it in the polls without an organisation!), they come together for no other reason by to counter the stupidity of statements by Raila of 41 vs 1. I will not even bother about the work of the new Ker for we all know that Riaga was kicked out for political reasons when he questioned the dominance of a single family and immediately his days as Ker became numbered. So yes the new Ker will work to get Kit Mikayi made a heritage site as GEMA will lead in getting key gikuyu sites get similar attention! Bottom line...they both are political Job. Get used to it! hehehehehehehe Kamale,This is not working very well, is it? Check this one. It is from the Daily Nation not the Raila secretariat. Oh my! www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/You+cant+postpone+Hague+trials+Uhuru+men+warned+/-/1064/1373198/-/63awjq/-/index.html
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Post by hannali on Mar 26, 2012 2:21:40 GMT 3
UHURU ANASEMA.....NATAKA KURA YENU, PIGIA MIMI KWASABABU MIMI KABILA YENU ILI NIKUE RAIS, SIJUI NITASIMAMA CHAMA GANI, NITATAFUTA.................NIPE MWEZI MOJA
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Post by morimax on Mar 26, 2012 4:57:00 GMT 3
Uhuru is a scared and worried man, having been brought up in golden plate and had never faced a magnitude of court case. He has been used to having his say and way, but this time round.. KIMEUMANA!, thus running a moth to tribal backyard. 2) The Boss is acquainted to use and damp ....... he used maina Njenga et al in 2007/08 and damped them and started eliminating them...... words on the ground says that even the Limuru II , MN was a key player in mobilizing the group but was damped last minute and was not allowed to address his crowed.... hence the immediate fallout from MN. 3) The statements so far attributed to the speakers at Limuru..... " elections will only be peaceful if UK is in the ballot".... if UK is summoned to ICC let him come back here and we will tell him what to do"...... and many others are all recipe for chaos. It seems UK is real scared and is willing if not checked to go down with his community and i'm afraid with Kenya.... Gadafi style. 4) Surely this man needs to be told the truth and to be cautioned to stop his theatrics and that is why all leaders who love Kenya need to condemn his ill selfish intended activities. He needs to be stopped before far. We would like to see more Maina Njengas, the Meru leaders, the Railas, the Mutula Kilonzos and even the Mudavadis coming out to condemn this ill driven activity. There should be more of this: Gema leaders accused of fanning tribalism www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Gema+leaders+accused+of+fanning+tribalism+/-/1064/1373678/-/vn6gwg/-/index.html
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Post by roughrider on Mar 26, 2012 9:48:08 GMT 3
No political party. No development ideology. No nationalism. Nothing. Yes. Uhuru Kenyatta is saying vote for me simply because I am a Kikuyu and because we are the largest tribe in this country. Nothing could be more retrogressive. Nothing more unacceptable. Prof Peter Kagwanja – he whose arguments helped ‘fix’ Uhuru at the Hague - in a Sunday Nation article laced with some propaganda makes a plaintive appeal to his kinsmen ‘…but on the road to the watershed election in March 2013, the region’s choices are stark: return to enlightened politics of reason and nationhood or perish in the dynastic ghetto’He was only half right; for the central Kenya region has never really enjoyed the ‘enlightened politics of reason and nationhood’. Not at any point in our history. The politics of central Kenya have been and continue to be driven by one and only one imperative: nyooba. The Kikuyu, in general, continue to suffer from a misplaced sense of entitlement borne of a belief that they ‘won independence for other Kenyans’; this is a ghastly misreading of history and a study in communal self-delusion.
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Post by mintos on Mar 26, 2012 11:40:21 GMT 3
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 26, 2012 12:18:08 GMT 3
Its evident from reactions and news reports that Uhurus endorsement has sent shivers accross the board . This is good news not only to Uhurus handlers but also to the G.E.M.A. community just like Ruto was able to unite the Kalenjins using the 2010 referendum Uhuru has managed to unite G.E.M.A. using the God sent I.C.C. Prior to I.C.C. back in 2010 most of the people supporting him now were scattered either supporting Kibaki, Karua , Kimunya Peter Keneth e.t.c. actually Uhuru was humbled in his own background when his buddy George Thuo and P.N.U governements Chief Whip he rallied during Juja by elections was defeated by Karuas Nark Kenya's William Kabogo . allafrica.com/stories/201009170001.htmlUhuru was able to overturn the tables months later after the I.C.C. summons when Uhurus preferred candidate who ran on a P.N.U. ticket Joseph Gitari won the Kirinyaga Central MP seat by defeating Nark Kenyas Karua supported candidate Daniel Karaba . Put the Kamukunji consituency by elections in the equation too . Uhuru was able to rally the G.E.M.A. community in that region to vote for a non G.E.M.A. Hassan who against ODMs John noting that ODM in the 2007 elections were able to win the few MP seats in Nairobi due to non unity of the Gema folks www.standardmedia.co.ke/print.php?id=2000032000&cid=289This was the end of supremacy wars in the G.E.M.A. community and from that day henceforth the community fully supports Uhuru. The endorsement was a welcome call to Uhuru and the G.E.M.A community because previously under the leadership of Njenga Karume and the wealthy G.E.M.A.s they were leaning towards Railas presidential ambitions . Imagine if G.E.M.A. had endorsed Raila instead of Uhuru ......The Kajwangs , Midiwos and Railas would be singing their voices hoarse as to how G.E.M.A. are a good lot.
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Post by topnotch on Mar 26, 2012 12:36:48 GMT 3
Its evident from reactions and news reports that Uhurus endorsement has sent shivers accross the board . This is good news not only to Uhurus handlers but also to the G.E.M.A. community just like Ruto was able to unite the Kalenjins using the 2010 referendum Uhuru has managed to unite G.E.M.A. using the God sent I.C.C. Prior to I.C.C. back in 2010 most of the people supporting him now were scattered either supporting Kibaki, Karua , Kimunya Peter Keneth e.t.c. actually Uhuru was humbled in his own background when his buddy George Thuo and P.N.U governements Chief Whip he rallied during Juja by elections was defeated by Karuas Nark Kenya's William Kabogo . allafrica.com/stories/201009170001.htmlUhuru was able to overturn the tables months later after the I.C.C. summons when Uhurus preferred candidate who ran on a P.N.U. ticket Joseph Gitari won the Kirinyaga Central MP seat by defeating Nark Kenyas Karua supported candidate Daniel Karaba . Put the Kamukunji consituency by elections in the equation too . Uhuru was able to rally the G.E.M.A. community in that region to vote for a non G.E.M.A. Hassan who against ODMs John noting that ODM in the 2007 elections were able to win the few MP seats in Nairobi due to non unity of the Gema folks www.standardmedia.co.ke/print.php?id=2000032000&cid=289This was the end of supremacy wars in the G.E.M.A. community and from that day henceforth the community fully supports Uhuru. The endorsement was a welcome call to Uhuru and the G.E.M.A community because previously under the leadership of Njenga Karume and the wealthy G.E.M.A.s they were leaning towards Railas presidential ambitions . Imagine if G.E.M.A. had endorsed Raila instead of Uhuru ......The Kajwangs , Midiwos and Railas would be singing their voices hoarse as to how G.E.M.A. are a good lot. Nowahahaha The silliness of it all is not in the endorsement. I personally did not expect anything else. It is in the collective stupidity displayed by the GEMA creme de la creme when they proclaimed for the whole world that they would collect 2Million signatures for ICC to be postponed until after the elections. OR else the elections will not be free and fair.
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 26, 2012 13:01:24 GMT 3
Its evident from reactions and news reports that Uhurus endorsement has sent shivers accross the board . This is good news not only to Uhurus handlers but also to the G.E.M.A. community just like Ruto was able to unite the Kalenjins using the 2010 referendum Uhuru has managed to unite G.E.M.A. using the God sent I.C.C. Prior to I.C.C. back in 2010 most of the people supporting him now were scattered either supporting Kibaki, Karua , Kimunya Peter Keneth e.t.c. actually Uhuru was humbled in his own background when his buddy George Thuo and P.N.U governements Chief Whip he rallied during Juja by elections was defeated by Karuas Nark Kenya's William Kabogo . allafrica.com/stories/201009170001.htmlUhuru was able to overturn the tables months later after the I.C.C. summons when Uhurus preferred candidate who ran on a P.N.U. ticket Joseph Gitari won the Kirinyaga Central MP seat by defeating Nark Kenyas Karua supported candidate Daniel Karaba . Put the Kamukunji consituency by elections in the equation too . Uhuru was able to rally the G.E.M.A. community in that region to vote for a non G.E.M.A. Hassan who against ODMs John noting that ODM in the 2007 elections were able to win the few MP seats in Nairobi due to non unity of the Gema folks www.standardmedia.co.ke/print.php?id=2000032000&cid=289This was the end of supremacy wars in the G.E.M.A. community and from that day henceforth the community fully supports Uhuru. The endorsement was a welcome call to Uhuru and the G.E.M.A community because previously under the leadership of Njenga Karume and the wealthy G.E.M.A.s they were leaning towards Railas presidential ambitions . Imagine if G.E.M.A. had endorsed Raila instead of Uhuru ......The Kajwangs , Midiwos and Railas would be singing their voices hoarse as to how G.E.M.A. are a good lot. Nowahahaha The silliness of it all is not in the endorsement. I personally did not expect anything else. It is in the collective stupidity displayed by the GEMA creme de la creme when they proclaimed for the whole world that they would collect 2Million signatures for ICC to be postponed until after the elections. OR else the elections will not be free and fair.TopNotch, As Ruto says somewhere else they are exercising their constitutional rights and freedom of expression. Ruto argued Uhuru’s supporters who are planning to petition the International Criminal Court to delay the Kenyan case through collection of signatures were exercising their constitutional rights and freedom of expression. standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000054910&cid=4&When the ODM leaning team of Coalition collected signatures in support of ICC back in 2011 the Uhuruto supporters never cried foul. Why the double standards ? A million-signature drive to back ICC www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000028416&cid=424&
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 26, 2012 15:40:56 GMT 3
Nowahahaha,The silliness of it all is not in the endorsement. I personally did not expect anything else. It is in the collective stupidity displayed by the GEMA creme de la creme when they proclaimed for the whole world that they would collect 2Million signatures for ICC to be postponed until after the elections. OR else the elections will not be free and fair. TopNotch, As Ruto says somewhere else they are exercising their constitutional rights and freedom of expression. Ruto argued Uhuru’s supporters who are planning to petition the International Criminal Court to delay the Kenyan case through collection of signatures were exercising their constitutional rights and freedom of expression. standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000054910&cid=4&When the ODM leaning team of Coalition collected signatures in support of ICC back in 2011 the Uhuruto supporters never cried foul. Why the double standards ? A million-signature drive to back ICC www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000028416&cid=424& Nowayhaha, I was personally surprised at the vitriol from the Kibera rally directed at Uhuru and GEMA. It is the kind of language that one would expect the PM to direct the 'Pwani si Kenya' crew and not GEMA. GEMA is not saying that it wants to secede from the rest of the republic, NO. They are only saying that as a community, they find Uhuru to be the best suited to champion their interests. If you listen to this clip carefully, you realize that Raila is actually saying nothing. He really wants to attack Uhuru but has no content safe for raw anger against the man. I personally find absolutely nothing wrong with a community or a group with a shared interest or heritage including language and culture nominating a representative at the national stage. After all charity begins at home. But then, you have to understand where the ODM and Raila are coming from. They know too well that ODM is increasingly becoming a Luo Nyanza party, and if everyone is to stand behind their own, ODM has no leg to stand on, their numbers don't add up. They therefore want to scare everyone else from seeking support from their own regions in the hope that Raila can become another arap Mibei everywhere in the country. I am afraid, this may not work this time.
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Post by roughrider on Mar 26, 2012 16:10:56 GMT 3
Its evident from reactions and news reports that Uhurus endorsement has sent shivers accross the board . This is good news not only to Uhurus handlers but also to the G.E.M.A. community just like Ruto was able to unite the Kalenjins using the 2010 referendum Uhuru has managed to unite G.E.M.A. using the God sent I.C.C. Prior to I.C.C. back in 2010 most of the people supporting him now were scattered either supporting Kibaki, Karua , Kimunya Peter Keneth e.t.c. actually Uhuru was humbled in his own background when his buddy George Thuo and P.N.U governements Chief Whip he rallied during Juja by elections was defeated by Karuas Nark Kenya's William Kabogo . allafrica.com/stories/201009170001.htmlUhuru was able to overturn the tables months later after the I.C.C. summons when Uhurus preferred candidate who ran on a P.N.U. ticket Joseph Gitari won the Kirinyaga Central MP seat by defeating Nark Kenyas Karua supported candidate Daniel Karaba . Put the Kamukunji consituency by elections in the equation too . Uhuru was able to rally the G.E.M.A. community in that region to vote for a non G.E.M.A. Hassan who against ODMs John noting that ODM in the 2007 elections were able to win the few MP seats in Nairobi due to non unity of the Gema folks www.standardmedia.co.ke/print.php?id=2000032000&cid=289This was the end of supremacy wars in the G.E.M.A. community and from that day henceforth the community fully supports Uhuru. The endorsement was a welcome call to Uhuru and the G.E.M.A community because previously under the leadership of Njenga Karume and the wealthy G.E.M.A.s they were leaning towards Railas presidential ambitions . Imagine if G.E.M.A. had endorsed Raila instead of Uhuru ......The Kajwangs , Midiwos and Railas would be singing their voices hoarse as to how G.E.M.A. are a good lot. Nowahahaha The silliness of it all is not in the endorsement. I personally did not expect anything else. It is in the collective stupidity displayed by the GEMA creme de la creme when they proclaimed for the whole world that they would collect 2Million signatures for ICC to be postponed until after the elections. OR else the elections will not be free and fair.Topnotch; I look forward to the utter incredulity on the ICC judges face when accosted with boxes of documents containing 2 million signatures from one tribe in Kenya seeking the unilateral and unconditional postponement of confirmed charges to allow their son undetake some private biz. What cheek! And what article or statute wiill the British pair, Kay and Gillian, be quoting to wrangle this miracle? Frankly, I think it was all political gas arising from mounds of free boiled goat meat. The reaction by William Ruto was interesting. He is of course no authority on constitutional freedoms or democracy, and shares the dock with Uhuru. Still I would like to see the missing groundswell of public and cosmopolitan support for the GEMA machinations. William Ruto's public persona aside, he is privately musing about this one. Uhuru has gone openly and deeply tribal. GEMA fully and unconditionally expect Ruto to mobilise the Kalenjin to support Uhuru. That is the only plausible path for cooperation. There is no alternative path for GEMA to vote overwhelmingly for William Ruto. Or is there? Time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2012 16:40:13 GMT 3
How Bishop becomes a chairman of tribal grouping (GEMA) is unfathomable, this is so nauseating and sick, how far will this old people divide Kenyans into tribal groupings and fear of “our tribe is victimized”. GEMA (Gikuyu,Embu,Meru and Akamba) has today graduated into an official party of warlords planning how to finish this country of Kenya…I am very worried about this The tribal ""Bishop" : www.methodistmessage.com/mar2006/peaceaward.html hannaliAkamba people are not a part of the GEMA.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2012 18:09:54 GMT 3
NOT IN MY NAME!! I borrow the notion from the Jewish anti-Zionist Movement. This movement of Jews acts and wants to be counted in opposition to the atrocities commited by the State of Israel against the Palestinins in the name of Jews. As a Meru woman I'm here to say that GEMA doesn't speak or act for me or for many other folks who are from these three ethnic groups GEMA! I have no interest in being associated with an organization whose main mandate is to maintain power and privileges over other Kenyan ethnic groups. This closing of ranks against the majority of the Kenyan population is revolting. Many others from GEMA communities have spoken up against the tone that the organization takes, as well as the lie that it speaks for all of us. GEMA speaks for a very particular segment of the three ethnic groups. Most pertinently, it speaks and acts at the behest of the rich and powerful within these communities. Those within the communities opposed to this outrage must figure out the most effective ways of reaching the ordinary folks; raising their consciousness about how the likes of Uhuru, Mbarire, Murungi and Mirugi are taking them for a ride as they laugh all the way to the bank. Did you see Mbarire? Tough mama eh working hard for the devils! I suppose she thinks that she was representing the whole Embu community. Mbarire and Mirugi must have felt so special being part of a handful of women at this "esteemed" gathering. Apparently Karua and Kenneth are too smart to be seen anywhere near such a gathering. Were they even invited? If they know what is good for their long term political careers they will steer clear of people like Uhuru whoes day of reckoning has come! Karua rolled with the thugs during and after the rigged election '07/'08. I think that she has since come to her senses realizing that you can only roll with the devil if your destination is hell! It seems to me that she has big political ambitions and those can't be found in hell. The powerful men of GEMA call her all sorts of misogynist names; but a friend whose opinion I value thinks that if she stands firm, and holds her own by doing the right thing despite opposition she will prevail. I tend to agree with this analysis. In the political sense she is young and has time to iron things out. She must start and end by always standing with the people and their interests. The people here doesn't mean GEMA. (I almost spit saying that word) Rather it means the nation of people known as Kenyans. According to news reports 5 out of 7 Meru MPs have come out strongly against Limuru 2. Those were refreshing voices. They have made clear that Limuru 2 doesn't represent or speak for them or their communities. They have also rightfully declared that they are elected leaders of the Meru communities and as such will voice our concerns. And for this I thank them.
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Post by job on Mar 26, 2012 18:45:38 GMT 3
NOT IN MY NAME!! I borrow the notion from the Jewish anti-Zionist Movement. This movement of Jews acts and wants to be counted in opposition to the atrocities commited by the State of Israel against the Palestinins in the name of Jews. As a Meru woman I'm here to say that GEMA doesn't speak or act for me or for many other folks who are from these three ethnic groups GEMA! I have no interest in being associated with an organization whose main mandate is to maintain power and privileges over other Kenyan ethnic groups. This closing of ranks against the majority of the Kenyan population is revolting. Many others from GEMA communities have spoken up against the tone that the organization takes, as well as the lie that it speaks for all of us. GEMA speaks for a very particular segment of the three ethnic groups. Most pertinently, it speaks and acts at the behest of the rich and powerful within these communities. Those within the communities opposed to this outrage must figure out the most effective ways of reaching the ordinary folks; raising their consciousness about how the likes of Uhuru, Mbarire, Murungi and Mirugi are taking them for a ride as they laugh all the way to the bank. Did you see Mbarire? Tough mama eh working hard for the devils! I suppose she thinks that she was representing the whole Embu community. Mbarire and Mirugi must have felt so special being part of a handful of women at this "esteemed" gathering. Apparently Karua and Kenneth are too smart to be seen anywhere near such a gathering. Were they even invited? If they know what is good for their long term political careers they will stir clear of people like Uhuru whoes day of reckoning has come! Karua rolled with the thugs during and after the rigged election '07/'08. I think that she has since come to her senses realizing that you can only roll with the devil if your destination is hell! It seems to me that she has big political ambitions and those can't be found in hell. The powerful men of GEMA call her all sorts of misogynist names; but a friend whose opinion I value thinks that if she stands firm, and holds her own by doing the right thing despite opposition she will prevail. I tend to agree with this analysis. In the political sense she is young and has time to iron things out. She must start and end by always standing with the people and their interests. The people here doesn't mean GEMA. (I almost spit saying that word) Rather it means the nation of people known as Kenyans. According to news reports 5 out of 7 Meru MPs have come out strongly against Limuru 2. Those were refreshing voices. They have made clear that Limuru 2 doesn't represent or speak for them or their communities. They have also rightfully declared that they are elected leaders of the Meru communities and as such will voice our concerns. And for this I thank them. How refreshing! I'm sure the Limuru delegates and muthamaki aren't amused by this kind of "rebellion" from folks they assume would automatically toe their line.
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Post by johns on Mar 26, 2012 22:29:31 GMT 3
A part from being born a Kikuyu and being a son of the land grabber, can anyone tell me what Uhuru kenyatta has put forth before Kenyans which should merit him being elected Kenyas fourth president, am i missing something here?
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