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Post by mzee on Apr 8, 2012 0:04:52 GMT 3
Its only today that I was discussing the issue of the many explosions that have occurred in Kenya in the past few weeks. I argued that the explosions have nothing with al shabaab to do. I thought that these was the work of our security agents bent on causing confusion as a precursor (read NSIS) to something big such as murdering a major political player. I insisted that the murder would have everything to do with The Hague and two of its main players. This story below confirms my fears. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joint Government Chief whip Jakoyo Midiwo shocked mourners, including Prime Minister Raila Odinga and his family, with claims of a plot to eliminate him ahead of the General Election. Jakoyo revealed the alleged plot to kill Raila at a funeral attended by Raila’s wife Ida and Cabinet ministers Anyang’ Nyongo, James Orengo, Dalmas Otieno, and Oburu Odinga. At one point Raila wiped tears, as Jakoyo said: "Jakom jogi dwa negi (chairman they want to kill you). You are about to die in few weeks to come. I am ready to record a statement even before Bondo OCPD to confirm the seriousness of the matter." The Gem MP further claimed that the plot had been finalised and what remained was how to deal with local and external pressure that could be occasioned by the death. "These people have finalised the plot to eliminate you. What they are now working on is how to deal with your absence and the external pressure," he claimed during the burial of A L Gondi in Bondo District. Jakoyo challenged Bondo DC and OCPD to ask him to a record statement over the matter. He claimed that plot was to be carried out in a few weeks. " I have decided to say this in the public without informing you in advance because you could have taken it lightly. Your life is in real danger and these people want to kill you at all costs. I have told Orengo and PS Carey Orege about this," he said. Speaking to mourners Raila said he was not afraid of death as everyone would eventually die. "You have been scared by the allegations. I am still alive and when I die you will come to mourn me. I will die when my time comes," he said. But his elder brother, Oburu did not take the allegations lightly saying in 2005 he made similar claims and called a press conference and nobody denied. The police never recorded a statement from him. "We cannot take this matter lightly. We as a family we are not treating it lightly. We thank Jakoyo for being brave to speak out," he said. Orengo admitted that Jakoyo had told him about the alleged plot and he was not treating it lightly because the silence of former Foreign Affairs Minister Dr Robert Ouko eventually led to his killing.But Nyong’o added a new twist to the allegations saying on Friday a man of Tanzanian origin was in his rural village asking about security set up of the area. "When we informed the Maseno OCS and area assistant chief about this at 2pm, they instituted investigation. They waited for me at home up to 10.30 pm, and told me. May be Al Shabaab have moved into the rural villages," he said. He said the claims should be taken seriously and Kenyans must unite to stop the alleged plot. Immigration Minister Otieno Kajwang’ said: "If anybody doubts Jakoyo’s claims let them ask the police to record a statement from him and conduct investigation." "Some people have panicked and want to do bad things, but we are certain that we will win and that Raila will be the next president of Kenya," he said. The leaders praised Dr Gondi, who was also The Standard On Sunday columnist, for his contributions to the country. Raila lauded Athletics Kenya for telling off politicians over Olympic Games boycott, saying it was for the national pride and cannot be destroyed by cheap politics. www.standardmedia.co.ke/news/InsidePage.php?id=2000055798&cid=159¤tPage=2
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Post by mank on Apr 8, 2012 0:58:01 GMT 3
Its only today that I was discussing the issue of the many explosions that have occurred in Kenya in the past few weeks. I argued that the explosions have nothing with al shabaab to do. I thought that these was the work of our security agents bent on causing confusion as a precursor (read NSIS) to something big such as murdering a major political player. I insisted that the murder would have everything to do with The Hague and two of its main players.
This story below confirms my fears.
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Joint Government Chief whip Jakoyo Midiwo shocked mourners, including Prime Minister Raila Odinga and his family, with claims of a plot to eliminate him ahead of the General Election.
Jakoyo revealed the alleged plot to kill Raila at a funeral attended by Raila’s wife Ida and Cabinet ministers Anyang’ Nyongo, James Orengo, Dalmas Otieno, and Oburu Odinga.
At one point Raila wiped tears, as Jakoyo said: "Jakom jogi dwa negi (chairman they want to kill you). You are about to die in few weeks to come. I am ready to record a statement even before Bondo OCPD to confirm the seriousness of the matter." The Gem MP further claimed that the plot had been finalised and what remained was how to deal with local and external pressure that could be occasioned by the death. ..........
www.standardmedia.co.ke/news/InsidePage.php?id=2000055798&cid=159¤tPage=2 When does he record the statement? He speaks as if from an inside perspective.
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Post by OtishOtish on Apr 8, 2012 2:56:35 GMT 3
What now.
"Jakoyo challenged Bondo DC and OCPD to ask him to a record statement over the matter."
I suppose just going to their offices (or any others, and one can think of far better offices) to make his statement will not do. Let's see if they take up the "challenge".
Even Miguna's stunt was a bit "better".
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Post by einstein on Apr 8, 2012 3:40:31 GMT 3
Its only today that I was discussing the issue of the many explosions that have occurred in Kenya in the past few weeks. I argued that the explosions have nothing with al shabaab to do. I thought that these was the work of our security agents bent on causing confusion as a precursor (read NSIS) to something big such as murdering a major political player. I insisted that the murder would have everything to do with The Hague and two of its main players.
This story below confirms my fears.
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Joint Government Chief whip Jakoyo Midiwo shocked mourners, including Prime Minister Raila Odinga and his family, with claims of a plot to eliminate him ahead of the General Election.
Jakoyo revealed the alleged plot to kill Raila at a funeral attended by Raila’s wife Ida and Cabinet ministers Anyang’ Nyongo, James Orengo, Dalmas Otieno, and Oburu Odinga.
At one point Raila wiped tears, as Jakoyo said: "Jakom jogi dwa negi (chairman they want to kill you). You are about to die in few weeks to come. I am ready to record a statement even before Bondo OCPD to confirm the seriousness of the matter." The Gem MP further claimed that the plot had been finalised and what remained was how to deal with local and external pressure that could be occasioned by the death. ..........
www.standardmedia.co.ke/news/InsidePage.php?id=2000055798&cid=159¤tPage=2 When does he record the statement? He speaks as if from an inside perspective.[/size][/color][/quote] Man K,Is this really all you can say about this? Midiwo has said he is willing to record statements with whom ever cares! Man, are you still the son of Jah, He whom does not take sides? Who said an insider cannot come out? All said and done, nothing is gonna harm our beloved country for Jah is no respecter of human beings who are just but his very own creation! Praise be unto Jah over Easter this year and forever!
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Post by patriotism101 on Apr 8, 2012 4:06:20 GMT 3
Jakoyo Midiwo is an idiot.
You learn of a plot to kill the PM, you do not warn the PM wait until you are at a funeral to publicly state that there is a plot to eliminate the PM soon.
Now, if this guy understood the ramifications and implications of what he just said at a funeral he would have approached the whole matter with the seriousness it deserved. With such buffons as advisors/kitchen cabinets to the PM- you dont need the Ngunyis and the Migunas to remind you the sheneniganism that goes on at the PM office.
Now, dont get me wrong, the lives of the PM or the GSU scrotum squashed boy in Turkana ( is it Trans Nzoia) are precious and any threats to them or any other Kenyan should be treated seriously. But to have a government chief whip talk about the life of the PM so casualy on National TV is stupid to say the least. Jakoyo got his 5 minutes of wow- now he needs to come up with details of the who, where, how and when of the plot.
Before Jokoyo (hehehehe what happened to the K- street saga)-there are many on this forum- jump on me let make some things clear. I am not denying/confirming a plot against the PM, however Jakoyo is a governement chief whip, he should therefore have treated the information with the seriousness it deserves. If he has, then he should have told us the steps he took when he learnt of the plot. Telling Orengo and Nyong'o does not cut. It sounds so silly that he did not warn RAO of the plot (Jakom would have lied low as an envelope) untill the cloud passed.
Sound alot like local politics.
5 senti.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 8, 2012 9:51:42 GMT 3
Lord help us!!!!
This idiot half brain of a party chief whip waits for a funeral to announce a foreign plot to assassinate the PM and we now even can draw conspiracies with innocent Kenyans being murdered by grenades! Is there a plot to kill the PM? The only reason the PM has such a heavy security presence is for no other reason than the existing fear that some lunatic would want to kill him.
The problem with the Midiwo exclusive funeral revelation is that he did not go to the police prior to the announcement and his invitation to anyone wanting a statement from him was not only childish, but perhaps a warning to the PM on some of the charlatans that surround him.
Jinga hii!
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Post by mank on Apr 8, 2012 12:02:11 GMT 3
When does he record the statement? He speaks as if from an inside perspective. [/size][/color][/quote] Man K,Is this really all you can say about this? Midiwo has said he is willing to record statements with whom ever cares! Man, are you still the son of Jah, He whom does not take sides? Who said an insider cannot come out? All said and done, nothing is gonna harm our beloved country for Jah is no respecter of human beings who are just but his very own creation! Praise be unto Jah over Easter this year and forever![/quote] Einstein, seriously, what would you want me to say? What say you, on the same? I seriously look forward to hearing details from Midiwo. What more can I say?? Jah is my shield, my protection. What sides have I taken?
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Post by emali on Apr 8, 2012 12:51:05 GMT 3
Midiwo seems to have been an avid reader of the Kenya Times newspaper or had his apprenticeship in politics as a KANU youth winger...anytime he speaks a cockerel appears on my screen accompanied by a Tawala Kenya soundtrack! Really who does he help with such utterances…
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Post by mzee on Apr 8, 2012 14:21:08 GMT 3
When bishop muge was warned not to travel to Busia many people took the warning as a joke. We all know what happened.
Jakoyo might be a big mouth but it does not mean that he is lying.
Dismissing his claims outright is just silly to say the least
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 8, 2012 14:52:00 GMT 3
When bishop kigen was warned not to travel to Busia many people took the warning as a joke. We all know what happened. Jakoyo might be a big mouth but it does not mean that he is lying. Dismissing his claims outright is just silly to say the least It is the way he has handled this grave matter that qualifies him as patriotism101 and kamalet have inisisted, and I too underline, jinga extraordinaire! rombe opong'o ODM!
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Post by Omwenga on Apr 8, 2012 17:35:50 GMT 3
When bishop kigen was warned not to travel to Busia many people took the warning as a joke. We all know what happened. Jakoyo might be a big mouth but it does not mean that he is lying. Dismissing his claims outright is just silly to say the least Mzee, I agree with you and have said as much on the blog Midiwo's Claim Must Be Taken Seriously, omwenga.com/2012/04/08/midiwos-claim-must-be-taken-seriously/. The ODM Chief Whip Hon. Jakoyo Midiwo is not without any number of critics who either trash or don’t care about much of anything he says. Among those close to the PM, the man gets a fair share of name-calling not worth repeating here. While this may be deemed to be part of politics, there is a time even someone like Midiwo must be taken seriously and one such time is recent saying that there is a plot afoot to eliminate Prime Minister Raila Odinga. Midiwo even offered to make a statement to the OCPD to this effect. No amount of political sarcasm can or should lead one to saying Midiwo said this for other than the reason he believes in what he said being true. I have heard people start theorizing, others saying this is a distraction for ongoing ODM internal wrangles, others saying Midiwo is payukaring and so on. I doubt Midiwo was payukaring and neither is this politicking as usual. A good source tells me that in recent times, people have been overheard discussing plans to ostensibly ‘kweheria miigua’ (remove thorns) which are said to be those people against certain declarations made by a well known group. There is a real concern among those so targeted all Kenyans must condemn and remain vigilant against. Let’s be our brother’s keeper when it comes to this. These comments are not dissimilar in tone and objective to those made in the 70’s where it was said there being a need to ‘kumunya githuki kimuragoini gitindaga gigigutega’(uprooting a stake stuck to the front of one’s house that keeps tripping you as you go in). This comment is said to have been made shortly before JM Kariuki was murdered. Indeed, my source postulates it may have been in this climate or winds of whispers and talk along this lines that reached Midiwo and thus his declaration. It could something even more concrete. Whatever the case may be, when the stakes are this high and you hear people saying things like this, everyone who loves peace and cares about our country must first take these things seriously and, secondly, be proactive in doing something to prevent us from going down this dark road again. The least one can do, is to condemn violence in all its forms and reject its continued use in the political arena. That starts from lowering the temperatures in discussing politics even in these fora to the point we can agree on at least a basic format of debating where no matter how much we disagree, there should never come a time one wishes to reach over and kill another merely because of politics. We should also simply learn to love one another even as we disagree politically or otherwise. Some may think this is impossible but it actually is possible. Above all, let’s just do away with the politics of tribalism fueled by hate and meaningless divisiveness. If Kenyans of goodwill and those who put our country first put up our guard in this fashion or better, we shall defeat the forces of evil and build the kind of prosperous and peaceful Kenya we shall all be proud of in perpetuity. Let’s just do that. My Turn, omwenga.com/2012/04/08/midiwos-claim-must-be-taken-seriously/
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Post by mank on Apr 8, 2012 18:15:24 GMT 3
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This story below confirms my fears.
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..... Jakoyo challenged Bondo DC and OCPD to ask him to a record statement over the matter.
He claimed that plot was to be carried out in a few weeks.In fact he should be challenged to record a statement. However it is not clear why he feels he has to be challenged so as to make the report. He could just as easily be ignored as a nuisance and not be challenged to record the statement. Statements on crime are typically recorded when people with something to report present themselvees at reporting offices - am not sure why in this case it is Bondo DC and OCPD to pursue Midiwo. It is not an allegation to be dimissed, but Midiwo's attitude leaves a lot to be desired, in my view. Perhaps the OCPD should start with arresting Midiwo.
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Post by akinyi2005 on Apr 8, 2012 18:23:47 GMT 3
Here we go again, ignoring the message and vilifying the messenger. Does anyone honestly believe Raila doesn't know he's a 'high value target' (where have i heard that ?) especially now? Had Raila himself revealed this plot the reaction would be the same.
Who exactly wants to snuff out the life of the PM and why?
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Post by mank on Apr 8, 2012 18:44:32 GMT 3
Here we go again, ignoring the message and vilifying the messenger. Does anyone honestly believe Raila doesn't know he's a 'high value target' (where have i heard that ?) especially now? Had Raila himself revealed this plot the reaction would be the same. ... What do you do you mean with "ignorning the message and villifying the messenger?" The quoted phrase has two allegations, neither of which is factual. Midiwo's message is not being igored on this thread, and neither is Midiwo being villified. What everyone should be asking is this .... Who exactly wants to snuff out the life of the PM and why? ... and only Midiwo would reasonably be expected to answer the question. Saying that cannot be villifying the messenger or ignoring the message.
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Post by marikopolitico on Apr 8, 2012 18:52:39 GMT 3
Its only today that I was discussing the issue of the many explosions that have occurred in Kenya in the past few weeks. I argued that the explosions have nothing with al shabaab to do. I thought that these was the work of our security agents bent on causing confusion as a precursor (read NSIS) to something big such as murdering a major political player. I insisted that the murder would have everything to do with The Hague and two of its main players. This story below confirms my fears. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joint Government Chief whip Jakoyo Midiwo shocked mourners, including Prime Minister Raila Odinga and his family, with claims of a plot to eliminate him ahead of the General Election. Jakoyo revealed the alleged plot to kill Raila at a funeral attended by Raila’s wife Ida and Cabinet ministers Anyang’ Nyongo, James Orengo, Dalmas Otieno, and Oburu Odinga. At one point Raila wiped tears, as Jakoyo said: "Jakom jogi dwa negi (chairman they want to kill you). You are about to die in few weeks to come. I am ready to record a statement even before Bondo OCPD to confirm the seriousness of the matter." The Gem MP further claimed that the plot had been finalised and what remained was how to deal with local and external pressure that could be occasioned by the death. "These people have finalised the plot to eliminate you. What they are now working on is how to deal with your absence and the external pressure," he claimed during the burial of A L Gondi in Bondo District. Jakoyo challenged Bondo DC and OCPD to ask him to a record statement over the matter. He claimed that plot was to be carried out in a few weeks. " I have decided to say this in the public without informing you in advance because you could have taken it lightly. Your life is in real danger and these people want to kill you at all costs. I have told Orengo and PS Carey Orege about this," he said. Speaking to mourners Raila said he was not afraid of death as everyone would eventually die. "You have been scared by the allegations. I am still alive and when I die you will come to mourn me. I will die when my time comes," he said. But his elder brother, Oburu did not take the allegations lightly saying in 2005 he made similar claims and called a press conference and nobody denied. The police never recorded a statement from him. "We cannot take this matter lightly. We as a family we are not treating it lightly. We thank Jakoyo for being brave to speak out," he said. Orengo admitted that Jakoyo had told him about the alleged plot and he was not treating it lightly because the silence of former Foreign Affairs Minister Dr Robert Ouko eventually led to his killing.But Nyong’o added a new twist to the allegations saying on Friday a man of Tanzanian origin was in his rural village asking about security set up of the area. "When we informed the Maseno OCS and area assistant chief about this at 2pm, they instituted investigation. They waited for me at home up to 10.30 pm, and told me. May be Al Shabaab have moved into the rural villages," he said. He said the claims should be taken seriously and Kenyans must unite to stop the alleged plot. Immigration Minister Otieno Kajwang’ said: "If anybody doubts Jakoyo’s claims let them ask the police to record a statement from him and conduct investigation." "Some people have panicked and want to do bad things, but we are certain that we will win and that Raila will be the next president of Kenya," he said. The leaders praised Dr Gondi, who was also The Standard On Sunday columnist, for his contributions to the country. Raila lauded Athletics Kenya for telling off politicians over Olympic Games boycott, saying it was for the national pride and cannot be destroyed by cheap politics. www.standardmedia.co.ke/news/InsidePage.php?id=2000055798&cid=159¤tPage=2What utter rubbish
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 8, 2012 19:46:41 GMT 3
What!! can those calling Midiwo names and insults tell Kenyans why they are protesting too much on here? A THREAT ON ANYONE'S LIFE IS STILL A THREAT REGARDLESS TO WHOM THE THREAT IS DIRECTED AT.
If someone announced to you and the world that there is a plot to Kill you.. would you ignore it or act to protect yourself?
isn't better to announce to the whole world that someone is out to get your friend or family so that those that are planning to eliminate you are made aware that their plans have been discovered instead of Keeping quiet trying to protect yourself quietly and when they finally Kill you the world will still be clueless on who was behind the plot!!
woooooow!!!!! those who come on here abuses midiwo, discrediting him ...... might be on some key information that most Kenyans are not aware of or why else do they come on here with vengeance and abuses disclaiming the warning that Raila's life is in Danger? WHY PROTEST STRONGLY WITH VENGEANCE AS IF THEIR PLOT WAS DISCOVERED? ;D
QUESTION IS - are they sure that the PM's life is not in Danger and there is no said Plot announced by Midiwo to assassinate the PM?
If so then let them raise their hands on here and state their case with facts.. or else ALLOW the government " COALITION" GOVERNMENT" investigate this threat ON the PM's life.. allow Midiwo to table what information he has in regards to the said plot, so that Kenyans can be well informed on what group of people out there are hiring thugs to eliminate politicians !!
NOTE: THAT KENYAN POLITICIANS HAVE BEEN ASSASSINATED BEFORE... J.M KARUIKI, Tom Mboya , OUKO e.tc SHRUGGING OF A SERIOUS THREAT ON ANY KENYANS LIFE IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 8, 2012 20:24:56 GMT 3
OK !!! NOW DENIALS ARE RUSHING IN! ONE DOWN MORE TO GO.....Foreign Affairs Minister Sam Ongeri has dismissed claims made by ODM chief whip Jakoyo Midiwo that he is part of a plot to assassinate Prime Minister Raila Odinga. “Allegations made by Mr Midiwo are wild and baseless. If he has anything to tell Kenyans, he should come clear and say it,” said Porf Ongeri. The Nyaribari Masaba MP said he had instructed his lawyers to get the television clip that captured Mr Midiwo's claims made on Saturday in Bondo taking further legal action. He said that he will not let the matter rest, adding that he was keen to take action. Prof Ongeri said he had no intentions as alleged by the Gem MP. He said he was among the team of prominent personalities who spearheaded the Serena talks on how to save the country after the disputed presidential polls in 2007. “I am always a crusader of peace and not a crusader of discontent and that is what I always preach whenever I am,” said Prof Ongeri. Prof Ongeri said that remarks of similar nature are what ignited the 2008 post-election violence in the last elections. He further singled Mr Midiwo as a perpetual detractor dating back to his tenure at the Ministry of Education. “I am only eight days old in the Foreign Affairs Ministry and they have already started labelling me. Can they give me time to work,” said Mr Ongeri. He was speaking at Ichuni Catholic Church in his constituency where he attended the Sunday Easter celebrations. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Ongeri+denies+involvement+in+plot+to+kill+PM/-/1064/1382418/-/rh5uugz/-/index.htmlYUP! THE TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE! I WONDER WHETHER THERE IS A TAPE SOMEWHERE OF THE ALLEGED PLOT? MIDIWO SEEMED VERY SURE OF HIS STATEMENT!! LETS WATCH IT PLAY OUT... WHERE THERE IS SMOKE FIRE USUALLY FOLLOWS....
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Post by OtishOtish on Apr 8, 2012 20:32:51 GMT 3
To those concerned about Midiwo's statement: What is to be done now? Clearly he himself, beyond making the announcement does not intend to do anything unless he is challenged, by the police force of a small town, to record a statement. What of the challenge is not forthcoming? After all, it seems reasonable for police to expect that a person with such information will go and make appropriate statements instead of issuing a challenge (at a funeral!) for them to challenge the person. What's with the challenging business?
I'm very interested to know what people think should happen next.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 8, 2012 20:43:27 GMT 3
To those concerned about Midiwo's statement: What is to be done now? Clearly he himself, beyond making the announcement does not intend to do anything unless he is challenged, by the police force of a small town, to record a statement. What of the challenge is not forthcoming? After all, it seems reasonable for police to expect that a person with such information will go and make appropriate statements instead of issuing a challenge (at a funeral!) for them to challenge the person. What's with the challenging business? I'm very interested to know what people think should happen next. My question to you would be do you trust the Kenya police force especially the investigation unit? looking at their past history? to-date no killers have been found in regards to all previous political assassinations! adding to the obstruction of any cold case being opened in regards to the said politicians.. Do Kenyans ( politicians or ordinary Kenyans) feel comfortable giving statements to the Police? and do they trust that the investigations will be handled as stated by law? that is what to ponder on..
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Post by furaha on Apr 8, 2012 21:03:11 GMT 3
To those concerned about Midiwo's statement: What is to be done now? Clearly he himself, beyond making the announcement does not intend to do anything unless he is challenged, by the police force of a small town, to record a statement. What of the challenge is not forthcoming? After all, it seems reasonable for police to expect that a person with such information will go and make appropriate statements instead of issuing a challenge (at a funeral!) for them to challenge the person. What's with the challenging business? I'm very interested to know what people think should happen next. In cases like this the last place in Kenya to turn to is probably the police. Who trusts them? Have they given us reason to receive trust? If you want to know how bad it is read the December 2011 Human Rights Watch report 'Turning Pebbles' about police investigations into PEV. I guess we all knew that the investigations by police, Tobiko and others left a lot to be desired, but when you see it all laid out in front of you on the basis of credible research, you emerge shocked. At least I did. www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/kenya1211webwcover_0.pdfNo, if you are aware of a serious threat or even the possibility of one, the best defense is to shout it from the roof tops. Let as many folks as possible know about it. I have no idea where Jakoyo Midiwo got his information from and whether it is credible but, generally, going to the police is likely to yield the opposite of the desired outcome.
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Post by OtishOtish on Apr 8, 2012 21:04:08 GMT 3
To those concerned about Midiwo's statement: What is to be done now? Clearly he himself, beyond making the announcement does not intend to do anything unless he is challenged, by the police force of a small town, to record a statement. What of the challenge is not forthcoming? After all, it seems reasonable for police to expect that a person with such information will go and make appropriate statements instead of issuing a challenge (at a funeral!) for them to challenge the person. What's with the challenging business? I'm very interested to know what people think should happen next. My question to you would be do you trust the Kenya police force especially the investigation unit? looking at their past history? to-date no killers have been found in regards to all previous political assassinations! adding to the obstruction of any cold case being opened in regards to the said politicians.. Do Kenyans ( politicians or ordinary Kenyans) feel comfortable giving statements to the Police? and do they trust that the investigations will be handled as stated by law? that is what to ponder on.. I won't comment on the Kenyan police; I shall leave such matters to the senior politician who has challenged their small-town representatives. If he shares the view you have, then the challenge seems rather pointless. My question is intended to those here who have shown concern or excitment about the announcement. I repeat: What do you think should be done now? (Note that my question is actually quite general and makes no mention of the Kenyan police.) Once that question has been answered, those who still have some time on their hands should try this one: What do you think has been achieved by Midiwo's announcement and the manner and place in which it was done?Note that my questions do not involve any evaluation, on my part, as to the plausability of Midiwo's claims. In fact, for the purposes of answering the questions, one may assume, according to one's inclinations, that they are either abomisogynist slamely true or are a complete joke.
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Post by furaha on Apr 8, 2012 21:13:27 GMT 3
My question is intended to those here who have shown concern or excitment about the announcement. I repeat: What do you think should be done now? (Note that my question is actually quite general and makes no mention of the Kenyan police.) Otishotish, Why do you yourself fail to give the beginning of an answer? I think you probably realize that in a system that has shown itself to be rotten, it does not pay to use the official channels and the risk of them working against you is high, whether you go to the police, parliament, the minister responsible, the NSIS or anywhere else in offiicialdom. The real tragedy is that the messenger has to take unacceptable risks. Now what do you yourself suggest as a next step?
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Post by OtishOtish on Apr 8, 2012 21:22:16 GMT 3
Furaha: Please note that my questions are directed, as stated, at "those here who have shown concern or excitment about the announcement". I am not one of those, so, "by definition", I am excluded. I also have to pay for a roof over my head, put food on the table, get a shirt on my back, dot dot dot; so I am quite busy.
So, will you stop being clever and answer the questions?
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 8, 2012 21:33:47 GMT 3
My question to you would be do you trust the Kenya police force especially the investigation unit? looking at their past history? to-date no killers have been found in regards to all previous political assassinations! adding to the obstruction of any cold case being opened in regards to the said politicians.. Do Kenyans ( politicians or ordinary Kenyans) feel comfortable giving statements to the Police? and do they trust that the investigations will be handled as stated by law? that is what to ponder on.. I won't comment on the Kenyan police; I shall leave such matters to the senior politician who has challenged their small-town representatives. If he shares the view you have, then the challenge seems rather pointless. My question is intended to those here who have shown concern or excitment about the announcement. I repeat: What do you think should be done now? (Note that my question is actually quite general and makes no mention of the Kenyan police.) Once that question has been answered, those who still have some time on their hands should try this one: What do you think has been achieved by Midiwo's announcement and the manner and place in which it was done?Note that my questions do not involve any evaluation, on my part, as to the plausability of Midiwo's claims. In fact, for the purposes of answering the questions, one may assume, according to one's inclinations, that they are either abomisogynist slamely true or are a complete joke. The police must be mentioned! after-all they are paid by Kenyan Tax payers to protected all Kenyans citizens.. the sad issue is they don't seem to be doing their jobs well looking at previous history.. What should be done? Midiwo did the right thing by calling it out as he seems to believe there is a threat on the PM's life.. Maybe like many Kenyans he feels Police shoddy work leaves little to be desired hence the public announcement. If there was indeed a plot to assassinate the PM then Midiwo has told the public and that in it self is a warning to those if any planning the assassination.. that they have been discovered.. if in indeed it were to happen you tell us what reaction will Kenyans have after Midiwo's public announcement? Those who don't think that Midowo achieved anything by announcing publicly the plot being planned against the PM must know more than the rest of the Kenyan citizens.. why keep silent if one hears of a plot against any Kenyan citizens?
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 8, 2012 21:41:25 GMT 3
Furaha: Please note that my questions are directed, as stated, at "those here who have shown concern or excitment about the announcement". I am not one of those, so, "by definition", I am excluded. I also have to pay for a roof over my head, put food on the table, get a shirt on my back, dot dot dot; so I am quite busy. So, will you stop being clever and answer the questions? So why ask the question when you are not interested in the outcome as you stated you have no concern in regards to Midiwo announcement, I think you should go back to your busy life and let those Kenyans citizens who are concerned with Midiwo's announcement ponder on why he made it and it's validity ama? ;D Kenyans should take not take such threats lightly... most Kenyans are aware of previous political assassinations that are still cold cases.. Sometimes things are planned in such a way to destabilize countries and remove current pressing serious issues from the lime-light!!
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