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Post by reporter911 on Apr 20, 2012 0:04:07 GMT 3
When an intelligence service of a country is controlled by rogues, such Mishaps happen: A series of precise, targeted political assassinations Jomo Kenyatta Era: 1.Pio Gama Pinto in 1965, Political Assassination 2.Tom Mboya in 1969, Political Assassination 3.JM Kariuki in 1975) Political Assassination This enabled Jomo Kenyatta to gain Political control of the country ( so where are this stated NSIS said to have been protecting the political individuals?mmmm.. in the shadows? or were they the same bunch used to cover up..
come Arap Moi Era
Robert Ouko was murdered in 1990 Political Assassination Muge, Alexander Kipsang On August 14, 1990- Political assassination 1992 and 1997 witnessed much worse cases of ethnic violence a state-sponsored phenomenon where the government killed whom it wanted, through the agency of its own paramilitary forces, Kibaki- Era 2007-2008 clashes many innocent Kenyans murdered Mellitus Mugabe Were (August 9, 1968 – January 29, 2008) Oscar Kamau Kingara (2009), human rights activist John Paul Oulo (2009), human rights activist
some OtherKenyans whose misterious deaths have never been resolved Dr. Muthiora, MP - Dagoretti, poisoned on his way to India. Masinde Muliro, died suspiciously Maybe the NSIS who are said to use other channels to inform the public should use those same channels to inform the public about all the previous assassinations and deaths that are unsolved to date!
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Post by morimax on Apr 20, 2012 9:15:14 GMT 3
MwalimuApparently after following your trend, the only source of info that you can refer to, here in jukwaa, is Daily nation. Do you have any other source? You know we know how NMG serves your masters and for you to convince us, refer to a variety of sources.
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Post by omundu on Apr 20, 2012 11:14:46 GMT 3
Bwana reporter, i hear you...
What we may be missing is that it is not the job of NSIS to inform the public of such matters. Their job is to inform the Powers that be (president and PM) who get daily intelligence briefings (thats why i am surprised when Midiwo says the president didnt know about it. If it is a credible threat as some opine, then both PM and President were briefed about it) and i am sure there is a plethora of assanination plots that land on their desks. Its their work to determine the cridibility e.t.c. We also get some threats that go below their radar. I have no example locally but the kennedy assasination is one example.
Where human nature comes into the picture is how the powers that be use the intelligence they have been given. Some may use it for political gain and some may direct the NSIS to make the issue go away. In other instances, the NSIS may go against their masters interests and using other means that may not be traced to them, nip the plot in the bud.
As to past assasinations, reporter, it is my opinion that they knew about some if not most of them. it is also my opinion that the powers that be were briefed on them. But i do not see why they should inform the public. It is not their job, it is the work of the politicians in power.
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Post by phil on Apr 20, 2012 16:38:50 GMT 3
DPP Keriako Tobiko orders police to arrest and charge Gem MP Jakoyo Midiwo for giving false information that there was a plot to kill PM Raila Odinga
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Post by mank on Apr 20, 2012 18:18:52 GMT 3
DPP Keriako Tobiko orders police to arrest and charge Gem MP Jakoyo Midiwo for giving false information that there was a plot to kill PM Raila Odinga Its no surprise that the claim is found to be false ... what's surprising is that the dishonorable MP is now to be charged. That's a break from tradition. Midiwo and supporters could not have seen it coming. It got to be embarrassing.
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Post by tnk on Apr 20, 2012 19:48:42 GMT 3
MwalimuApparently after following your trend, the only source of info that you can refer to, here in jukwaa, is Daily nation. Do you have any other source? You know we know how NMG serves your masters and for you to convince us, refer to a variety of sources. its a hamster cycle first imagine and create news then publish in the media then liberally quote the media as reference/source after which imagine and create some more news ....... and so on ...... and the hamster runs on and on
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Post by johns on Apr 20, 2012 20:05:26 GMT 3
DPP Keriako Tobiko orders police to arrest and charge Gem MP Jakoyo Midiwo for giving false information that there was a plot to kill PM Raila Odinga Its no surprise that the claim is found to be false ... what's surprising is that the dishonorable MP is now to be charged. That's a break from tradition. Midiwo and supporters could not have seen it coming. It got to be embarrassing. Mank, Before you break into a jig in your celebration, let me inform you that Midiwo is being charged not because the plot never existed but due to his non compliance to offer into details the scheme of the plotters. The useless Kenya police investigators wanted to find everything Midiwo know and have in his possession but he wont give them. And being the lazy bunch they are, pretended to be carrying some useless and baseless investigations leading to no where. The decision Tobiko has arrived at, is what Midiwo has been looking forward to, so he can lay everything before the court and the public. Muthamaki and his killer squad should be very afraid!!! Unedited
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 20, 2012 20:35:23 GMT 3
Its no surprise that the claim is found to be false ... what's surprising is that the dishonorable MP is now to be charged. That's a break from tradition. Midiwo and supporters could not have seen it coming. It got to be embarrassing. Mank, Before you break into a jig in your celebration, let me inform you that Midiwo is being charged not because the plot never existed but due to his non compliance to offer into details the scheme of the plotters. The useless Kenya police investigators wanted to find everything Midiwo know and have in his possession but he wont give them. And being the lazy bunch they are, pretended to be carrying some useless and baseless investigations leading to no where. The decision Tobiko has arrived at, is what Midiwo has been looking forward to, so he can lay everything before the court and the public. Muthamaki and his killer squad should be very afraid!!! Unedited Johns,There will be a problem here, I hope you see it and will clarify. The police have as much as indicated it was the information Midiwo gave, that led to the questioning --or asking of Uhuruto to record statements with the CID, and also prof. Ongeri of foreign affairs. So Midiwo did give information, and Tobiko's office says it was false information. I think non compliance to offer into details would be a different charge. Delliberately withholding information [from the state] about a serious felony, in the rank of a terrorist plot, yet to occur, or something like that.
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Post by akinyi2005 on Apr 20, 2012 20:56:40 GMT 3
so who determined that midiwo's information wasn't truthful....tobiko?
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Post by johns on Apr 20, 2012 21:06:19 GMT 3
Mank, Before you break into a jig in your celebration, let me inform you that Midiwo is being charged not because the plot never existed but due to his non compliance to offer into details the scheme of the plotters. The useless Kenya police investigators wanted to find everything Midiwo know and have in his possession but he wont give them. And being the lazy bunch they are, pretended to be carrying some useless and baseless investigations leading to no where. The decision Tobiko has arrived at, is what Midiwo has been looking forward to, so he can lay everything before the court and the public. Muthamaki and his killer squad should be very afraid!!! Unedited Johns,There will be a problem here, I hope you see it and will clarify. The police have as much as indicated it was the information Midiwo gave, that led to the questioning --or asking of Uhuruto to record statements with the CID, and also prof. Ongeri of foreign affairs. So Midiwo did give information, and Tobiko's office says it was false information. I think non compliance to offer into details would be a different charge. Delliberately withholding information [from the state] about a serious felony, in the rank of a terrorist plot, yet to occur, or something like that. Jakaswanga, You are alluding to a state where laws are strictly adhered to, not our kenya where interpretation of law is subjective - always based on whose side it serves and then the sleuth take it from there. Midiwo was asked to provide names of those he said were in the loop and he did, and he also told the police where the meeting took place and who the attendants were ... he hoped they would carry their investigations from there. What he would not give them was his source and materials he had in his possesion to back up his claims. He knew they would be destoyed, afterall what do you think the unknown goons who raided his rural house were looking for?
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Post by euonyi on Apr 20, 2012 21:08:05 GMT 3
so who determined that midiwo's information wasn't truthful....tobiko? The news item on capitalfm website says:
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Post by akinyi2005 on Apr 20, 2012 21:48:29 GMT 3
so who determined that midiwo's information wasn't truthful....tobiko? The news item on capitalfm website says: euonyi, what i have heard (through the grapevine) is exactly what johns has explained in one of his posts. given tobiko's past record (he hasn't given me enough reason to trust his decisions) i choose to treat his statement with caution and look forward to an interesting case in court.
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Post by bob on Apr 20, 2012 23:24:43 GMT 3
How efficient is our police force when it comes to criminal investigations? What do statistics tell us? I have a feeling the DPP will not be having a field day as he may ave been made to believe by our police. It is quite interesting that they have managed to complete investigation so fast yet they are unable to unravel the mystery behind the dossier which was touching on the pork. This guy Midiwo as clownish as he may sound & look ,he is no fool. He definitely must have sort legal advice from the likes of Orengo & others, who by any standards are good lawyers,so let the drama begin. There is definitely more than meets the eye.
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Post by mank on Apr 20, 2012 23:41:01 GMT 3
Its no surprise that the claim is found to be false ... what's surprising is that the dishonorable MP is now to be charged. That's a break from tradition. Midiwo and supporters could not have seen it coming. It got to be embarrassing. Mank,
Before you break into a jig in your celebration, let me inform you that Midiwo is being charged not because the plot never existed but due to his non compliance to offer into details the scheme of the plotters. The useless Kenya police investigators wanted to find everything Midiwo know and have in his possession but he wont give them.
And being the lazy bunch they are, pretended to be carrying some useless and baseless investigations leading to no where. The decision Tobiko has arrived at, is what Midiwo has been looking forward to, so he can lay everything before the court and the public.
Muthamaki and his killer squad should be very afraid!!!
UneditedJohns, Thanks for your wise pro bono counsel. I will put off celebration for now. Please let me know when everything is concluded so I can flag off the celebration. Hope it will not be later than the harves from the crop I am going to plant after I post this.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 21, 2012 0:23:53 GMT 3
SHOCKING!!SHOCKING!! THAT SOME KENYANS CAN STAND BEHIND A REPORT BY THE POLICE CLAIMING THAT MIDIWO GAVE FALSE INFORMATION!! BULL-S
LET THE POLICE SHOW KENYANS THEIR FACTS ON THE CARRIED OUT INVESTIGATION WHERE THEY CAN SHOW WITHOUT REASONABLE DOUBT THAT MIDIWO GAVE FALSE STATEMENTS!!
2. IF I WERE MIDIWO I WOULD SEEK COURT ORDER AGAINST THE SAME POLICE FOR DOING A SHODDY INVESTIGATION.. 3. IF I WERE MIDIWO'S LAWYER I WOULD NOT ALLOW MY CLIENT TO FALL IN THE HANDS OF THE SHODDY DUBIOUS POLICE FORCE.. HE MIGHT END UP LIKE MULIRO " INJECTED WITH A SLOW DEATH SUBSTANCE OR FINISHED OFF IN POLICE CUSTODY "ASK THE MINGIKI YOUTH WHO MANY HAVE ENDED UP DEAD WHILE IN POLICE CUSTODY!!
RAILA BETTER SPEAK UP!! THERE IS SOMETHING NOT RIGHT WITH THE POLICE SAGA ATI ARREST MIDIWO!!! WHAT HORSE MANUA!!!
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Post by johns on Apr 21, 2012 1:17:29 GMT 3
As i had mentioned this earlier somewhere, Midiwo knew all along Tobiko would come to the rushed conclusion as he did, read here; By CYRUS OMBATI Police have been directed to arrest and charge Gem MP Jakoyo Midiwo with giving false information over claims of a plot to assassinate Prime Minister Raila Odinga. This even as the MP named several other people he says can give evidence to support his sensational allegation. Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Keriako Tobiko says he has looked at the evidence police gathered on the matter and agreed with them that Midiwo was lying and had committed a crime. "I concur with the police recommendations on the probe and have directed that the MP be arraigned for giving false information on the issue," he told The Standard On Saturday. Midiwo is in South Africa and may be taken to court next week police said Friday. Contacted by phone, the Gem MP said he is ready to go to court, insisting that what he told the police is the truth. Midiwo said other witnesses had corroborated what he said and challenged police to make public the statements they recorded from all those he mentioned. He argued that the police had recommended charging him because he had mentioned powerful individuals in high offices. Untouchable "To (the police) it is a lie when some people, who are untouchable, are mentioned," he said. "I knew that would be their conclusion. I challenge them to make public all the statements submitted by the people I mentioned." The MP did not speculate on why the DPP, whose office enjoys independence under the Constitution, would agree with the police. He said the police’s work is to confirm if information given to them is true or false. In this case, however, he insists the police are taking instructions from politicians. The MP claimed that Kisumu Town MP Olago-Aluoch is among the witnesses who are privy to the plot, but insisted police had not talked to him. He also mentioned a Mr Ochiel and the late Mary Onyango, as other witnesses aware of the plot, and those involved. private office of a powerful individual. I am ready to go to court and I will inform them (as much) when I arrive at the airport," he added. On Friday, Tobiko commended police for covering their investigations well as he returned the file back to the CID for action. Tobiko received the file on the investigations on Thursday morning. He now says prosecutors believe they can prove Midiwo’s story is made up. Police interviewed a number of individuals Midiwo named as having met to plan the alleged assassination. The detectives, led by CID director Ndegwa Muhoro, spoke to Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta, Finance Minister Njeru Githae, and his Foreign Affairs counterpart Sam Ongeri. Trade Permanent Secretary Karanja Kibicho, President Kibaki’s Personal Assistant Nick Wanjohi, and a senior security official also recorded statements on Monday. Also questioned was Eldoret North MP William Ruto. Midiwo made the claim of a plan to kill the Prime Minister at a funeral in Bondo on April 7. He later recorded a statement at the CID headquarters, Nairobi, on the basis of which detectives questioned those mentioned. Tobiko had directed the police to speed up the investigation leading to the questioning of Midiwo and other persons he mentioned as being privy to the alleged conspiracy. At the funeral, Midiwo mentioned Prof Ongeri and his ministry as he asked for an investigation into the role of foreign mercenaries in the plot. It was not clear why he chose to mention the Foreign Ministry rather than the Immigration Ministry, which controls who comes in through various ports of entry. Midiwo first spoke in the presence of the PM and Cabinet ministers Nyong’o (Medical Services), Dalmas Otieno (Public Service), and James Orengo (Lands) during the burial of Dr Leah Gondi in Bondo District. "I am willing to testify under oath because if I don’t say it now, nobody would," said the MP. Midiwo alleged that a meeting was held, which brought together two ministers, a senior security officer, and a permanent secretary during, which elimination of the PM was discussed as the last option in swinging the Kibaki succession race. He said the President was not in the picture about the plot. It is on the basis of the allegations that Tobiko ordered police to probe the matter. Ongeri has denied the claims by Midiwo and demanded an apology from the MP. The minister wrote a demand letter to Midiwo saying the MP’s claims that he attended a meeting at Serena Hotel, Nairobi with a Minister from central Kenya to plan the assassination of the PM had depicted him as an assassin. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000056724&cid=4&ttl=Tobiko%20orders%20Midiwo%E2%80%99s%20arrest%20as%20MP%20names%20new%20witnesses
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Post by stibin on Apr 21, 2012 12:30:03 GMT 3
This comment by a Daily Nation reader 'mohanmathew' got me thinking- Not that I expected the comedians known as Kenya Police to do better.
"Look at the irony. Two gentlemen tabling a fake document in the sanctum of people's power, touching on the president is as free as birds. One gentleman who stated what he came to know about an assassination plot touching on the PM is in court. The police have no clue, or they say so, whether the British HC-ICC doc is fake or not, but they discovered the assassination plot is just fake. Oh, Kenya Police !"
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Post by kamalet on Apr 21, 2012 13:50:38 GMT 3
If anything people should be congratulating the DPP for his action.
Kenyans now have the opportunity of getting the details of the information that Midiwo had (if did have any!!) when he denies the charge of giving false information and proves that the information that he had was true...with witnesses to boot!
Lambasting the DPP is just silly!
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 21, 2012 16:04:42 GMT 3
If anything people should be congratulating the DPP for his action. Kenyans now have the opportunity of getting the details of the information that Midiwo had (if did have any!!) when he denies the charge of giving false information and proves that the information that he had was true...with witnesses to boot! Lambasting the DPP is just silly! Kamale, I don't know whether what Jakoyo said is true or not. We will find out but I will say this. The Police Commissioner Mr. Iteere who has been ordered to arrest Midiwo is a man in tatters. He is in deep shit after the fiasco in Limuru and other activities which seem to suggest he is a big part of political gangsterism in Kenya. The mess in Limuru has backfired big time. We told them exactly that. They didn't listen. Now they have it. Good. As for Midiwo, he may as well just bought himself a free ticket to another electoral office. He is going to be a hero to some for standing up to the goons. Watch this space. Jakoyo should pray that he gets arrested as soon as he lands back in Kenya.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 21, 2012 17:33:25 GMT 3
If anything people should be congratulating the DPP for his action. Kenyans now have the opportunity of getting the details of the information that Midiwo had (if did have any!!) when he denies the charge of giving false information and proves that the information that he had was true...with witnesses to boot! Lambasting the DPP is just silly! Kamale, I don't know whether what Jakoyo said is true or not. We will find out but I will say this. As for Midiwo, he may as well just bought himself a free ticket to another electoral office. He is going to be a hero to some for standing up to the goons. Watch this space. Jakoyo should pray that he gets arrested as soon as he lands back in Kenya.Adongo, And this is what is ailing Kenyan politics , majority of Kenyans are living below the poverty line because of such type of politics and not issue based politics which can better their life.Its very unfortunate least to say for people like you who have been blessed to know better are celebrating the "heroism of Midiwo" .If this is not the real definition of misplaced activism then ......
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Post by job on Apr 21, 2012 17:36:58 GMT 3
This comment by a Daily Nation reader 'mohanmathew' got me thinking- Not that I expected the comedians known as Kenya Police to do better. "Look at the irony. Two gentlemen tabling a fake document in the sanctum of people's power, touching on the president is as free as birds. One gentleman who stated what he came to know about an assassination plot touching on the PM is in court. The police have no clue, or they say so, whether the British HC-ICC doc is fake or not, but they discovered the assassination plot is just fake. Oh, Kenya Police !"
The handling of this Jakoyo Midiwo exposé by Police and DPP is the clearest proof of POLICE IMPARTIALITY due to lack of independence and political manipulation. I agree with Mohan Mathew's sentiments above. Let's compare how police handled the Midiwo dossier (a plot to assassinate the PM) on one hand, versus the forged UK dossier (a plot to arrest & charge the President for crimes against humanity) on another. 1) Speed: On Jakoyo's statement, it took just a matter of hours for police to forward an arrest-and-charge-file to the DPP. As for the UK dossier that NSIS boss publicly proclaimed was a forgery - the police are still dragging their feet; haven't even interrogated Duale and Kiema Kilonzo; are openly dodging Parliamentary committees; simply refused to 'investigate' what the NSIS has already declared a forgery. 2. Statement recording: Jakoyo was literally forced to record a statement with the CID. Cops even visited his rural home trying to force him to record the statement in the nearest station. On the other hand to date, no statement or 'clarification' has been sought from Duale and Kilonzo. 3. Sources: Whereas police have harrased Jakoyo to reveal his secret source of information (even turning his rural home upside down), establishing the 'source' of Duale and Kilonzo's explosive claim doesn't seem to bother the police. 4. Questioning named persons: There is no evidence that police have questioned 'big persons' named by Jakoyo (despite the police spokesman's claim). On the other hand, the police didn't bother to find out the basis from which NSIS boss Gichangi ruled the UK dossier a forgery. Iteere and CID boss Muhoro both claimed they failed to authenticate the document - an open admission of ineptitude and incompetence for any police investigation body worth its name. All these things remind us about the rot in the current police force. The current Kenya Police Force is shamelessly inept, incompetent, tribalized, impartial, lacking independence, and grossly manipulated by known politicians. This police is screaming for an entire overhaul. Real police reforms! A new force, new NPSC and brand new police oversight authority. The Iteeres, Muhoros, Mbuguas, and Gichangis must go! Enough is enough!
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Post by marikopolitico on Apr 21, 2012 17:59:14 GMT 3
Smart tactic by Midiwo to get himself in the good graces of the voters. Can't say the same for the fellow facing Mt.Kenya. The quality of Kenyan leaders is merely a vivid reflection of the quality of Kenyan citizens' decision making.
Pisspoor.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 21, 2012 18:18:48 GMT 3
Some people really like to twist things....!
Just when did the issue of the UK dossier become a crime and even worse, when the NSIS director "publicly" claim it was a forgery when he has declined to attend the parliamentary hearing?
According to the argument by Job, police have no business investigating or even charging Midiwo for any crime if they do not do the same for other!!!
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Post by bob on Apr 21, 2012 18:53:26 GMT 3
Its absolutely pointless to cheer & commend the DPP & the boys in blue because any right thinking Kenyan can see read between the lines investigations involving two principals,now that guns are drawn, I think the courts are best suited to deal with the issue. And for any one might care to know is that all they have against Midiwo is giving the police false information. Now WHAT IF the bombshell is dropped before a court of law? Then what happens? They DPP will be fried for lunch big time.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 21, 2012 19:00:19 GMT 3
Its absolutely pointless to cheer & commend the DPP & the boys in blue because any right thinking Kenyan can see read between the lines investigations involving two principals,now that guns are drawn, I think the courts are best suited to deal with the issue. And for any one might care to know is that all they have against Midiwo is giving the police false information. Now WHAT IF the bombshell is dropped before a court of law? Then what happens? They DPP will be fried for lunch big time. Bob...and just how do you hope the matter to take itself to the court if you exclude the boys in blue and the DPP? Should you not be cheering as you await that bombshell?
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