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Post by johns on May 22, 2012 0:44:25 GMT 3
Ayieko was an easy going fellow and quite interestingly a constituent of Gem currently represented by none other than Hon Jakoyo Midiwo. Was Ayieko a victim of elimination? Could he be the one who leaked the murder plot details to Midiwo? Time will tell. What murder plot? Like all other silly stunts that we are regularly treated to, this one was forgotten after about 15 minutes. Midiwo does not seem to be aware that he is the MP of any constituency; at least, he has never done anything or given the slightest indication that he was elected an MP for that area. Nor does he seem to be of much use at the party or national level. Why Raila is so attached to this fellow is a mystery. Otishotish, Your logic on this matter has continued to baffle me time and again, its like you are located at someplace where the ongoings in kenya are things rare to you. I think its time you took the trip to Kenya and see for yourself how impunity reign supreme in the land. I am sure by the time you are done even for a week you would not find Midiwos claim as outlandish or out of step. As a matter of fact you might appreciate the fact that at least someone had the guts to mouth out such a heniuos plot being cooked up by our own security operatives. Please stop asking Midiwo to jail himself when Tobiko is the one who has failed the nation. If this was a cooked up story as you have continued to press in your past comments, then why cant Tobiko charge Midiwo in court so that the man can substantiate his claim and allegations? Yo probably know the answer to that already. You seem to be accusing Midiwo for not putting himself in jail
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Post by OtishOtish on May 22, 2012 3:19:09 GMT 3
johns: Actually it is because I know quite a bit about Kenya that I can recognize a silly publicity stunt when I see one. Midiwo is simply treading the same path that Millie Odhiambo did, although his starting poin---hijacking a funeral when a press conference was a perfectly acceptable alternative and not bothering to immediately tell the supposed target, assuming he had anything, which he didn't---was more absurd (even if entertaining).
In Kenya, whether or not people get charged in court is not a reliable guide to anything. If you believe otherwise, then you are located at someplace where the ongoings in kenya are things rare to you.
By the way, Raila's "solution" was to ask for additional security frome the very same "security operatives" that, according to people like you, are plotting to finish him. Does he have a different view on the matter, or is he just not very bright?
I am not asking Midiwo to jail himself. What I would like him to do is devote more time to the concerns of his Gem constituents, who after all got him where he is, and leave the clownish activities to others.
Anyway, Midiwo himself has already gone back to such work as he does. I suggest we follow suit.
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Post by furaha on May 22, 2012 4:14:07 GMT 3
johns: Actually it is because I know quite a bit about Kenya that I can recognize a silly publicity stunt when I see one. Midiwo is simply treading the same path that Millie Odhiambo did, although his starting poin---hijacking a funeral when a press conference was a perfectly acceptable alternative and not bothering to immediately tell the supposed target, assuming he had anything, which he didn't---was more absurd (even if entertaining). In Kenya, whether or not people get charged in court is not a reliable guide to anything. If you believe otherwise, then you are located at someplace where the ongoings in kenya are things rare to you. By the way, Raila's "solution" was to ask for additional security frome the very same "security operatives" that, according to people like you, are plotting to finish him. Does he have a different view on the matter, or is he just not very bright? I am not asking Midiwo to jail himself. What I would like him to do is devote more time to the concerns of his Gem constituents, who after all got him where he is, and leave the clownish activities to others. Anyway, Midiwo himself has already gone back to such work as he does. I suggest we follow suit. Otishotish, Aren't you lucky that you can recognize a "silly publicity stunt" when you see one! Given Kenya's history, including its recent history, many are a lot more careful than you. One only has to look at the growing antagonism. at the blatant ethnic numbers games and at the very, very high political stakes to realize that some folks are probably willing to do whatever it takes in order to maintain or achieve the upper hand, including the permanent silencing of opponents and others working against their interest. I am not saying that I have proof that Midiwo and Millie had sufficient reason to ring the alarm bells. But I do not have any evidence to the contrary either and that is why it makes sense not to jump to your kind of far-reaching conclusions. By doing so you undermine your own credibility, at least in my eyes. Kenya is going through a very tense and difficult time and tensions will probably continue to rise. Already they are worse than in the run-up to the 2007 election. We are all trying to understand what is happening and how the country can continue to move forward. So spare us your conclusions if they are not based on facts, please. Furaha
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Post by OtishOtish on May 22, 2012 4:30:16 GMT 3
Aren't you lucky that you can recognize a "silly publicity stunt" when you see one! It's not luck; anyone who is at least moderately awake ought to be able to do the same. Millie's statement/story/fantasy, as made in parliament, was one of the silliest things ever said in that house. And that's taking into account the MP who demanded that the police arrest Karl Marx if he was, as claimed, influencing university students. I have carefully considered your request. It is rejected. More conclusions coming your way.
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Post by mank on May 22, 2012 7:55:52 GMT 3
After so much time since Midiwo's shocking "revellation" I expected there would be facts to back him up, or the guy would be dismissed by all as the nuisance that he seems to be. The fact that impunity is rampant in Kenya is not a sufficient backing for every crazy allegation a person comes up with.
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Post by morimax on May 22, 2012 7:58:48 GMT 3
Otishotish,
You seem to know more than meet the eyes. Rather you are more on the defensive side. You could give us your logical side instead of trashing other as being silly.
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Post by phil on May 22, 2012 10:26:09 GMT 3
Phil: Please reveal the details of this hidden development record; it looks like only you and Midiwo know about it. I am not very interested in what he has won (with Raila's help); I am more interested in what he has actually done after the winning. It's not my intention to derail this thread with Midiwo's development record. Do your research and you will find out Midiwo is re-elected on the basis of his solid development record in Gem. In so far as elections are concerned he has stood against and beaten a host of individuals with very impecabble public records. His CDF use record is second only to Gatanga's Peter Kenneth (Believe it or not!). Here's another ' short illness death' that is yet to be unraveled by the notorious Kenya Police. The dead man was not a police corporal but a senior security officer. The common thread in all these deaths is always the name of one of the ICC accussed. The same name Midiwo asserted as having been among those who met to discuss on how to deal with publlic riots after Raila's elimination. The hotel in question has not denied that the not-so-gentlemen met at their premises on the day recorded on Midiwo's statement. An apparently healthy and well intentioned CID director Simon Gatiba Karanja died two years ago just weeks before a scheduled meeting with ICC Prosecutor Ocampo. Like his colleague at NSIS Fitz Ayieko, Karanja was reportedly dead in hospital only hours after being found writhing in pain inside his bedroom. He had no previously known health issues and went to bed on the previous night a healthy man. So you can trash all this as you wish but sooner, rather than later, the truth on Midiwo's allegations will come out and it will be upon the named suspects to prove him wrong. There are copies of diplomatic passports issued by MoFA to alleged would-be assassins. What explanation does the minister offer for this? Meanwhile, we just have to ask, who's next?
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Post by OtishOtish on May 22, 2012 12:28:05 GMT 3
It's not my intention to derail this thread with Midiwo's development record. Do your research and you will find out Midiwo is re-elected on the basis of his solid development record in Gem. We'll have to disagree on that one. I still believe he should get out of the comedy business and start working for the Gem people who elected him. Now, here we are getting onto something more solid. Can you provide additional details on these passports and how you know about them? I think Jukwaa readers would find that very helpful.
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Post by OtishOtish on May 22, 2012 12:39:52 GMT 3
Otishotish, You seem to know more than meet the eyes. Rather you are more on the defensive side. You could give us your logical side instead of trashing other as being silly. It's not my story, friend; so I can't help you with any "logical side" to it. Also, it seems to me reasonable that the person whose story it is should do the explaining and not go about demanding that people who doubt it provide anything. Anyway, if indeed there is or was a plot to kill Raila, then we should be very grateful for one thing: Instead of immediately informing Raila and his security, Midiwo waited to hijack a funeral and there divulge things for the first time. How fortunate that the plotters did not act while Midiwo was waiting! Me, I would have rushed to Raila right away, but that's just me. As with the rest of the story, I am, again, unable to supply a "logical side" to that. Can you, phil, or furaha help with that one?
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Post by OtishOtish on May 22, 2012 14:07:04 GMT 3
Do your research and you will find out Midiwo is re-elected on the basis of his solid development record in Gem ... His CDF use record is second only to Gatanga's Peter Kenneth 2012 report so far: info.mzalendo.com/person/Jakoyo-midiwo/info.mzalendo.com/person/peter-kenneth/He's definitely much better than Kenneth at one thing: talking. Now for some hard data: www.nta.or.ke/reports/crc/Kisumu/Gem_CRC_March_2010.pdfKshs. 8,920,000 of taxpayers’ money has been wasted due to badly implemented projects. 26% of the total CDF funds allocated to the monitored projects in FY 2006-07 were on ineffective projects.
Kshs. 700,000 of taxpayers’ money is wasted due to abandoned projects. 2% of the total CDF funds allocated to the monitored projects in FY 2006-07 were on abandoned projects.
Kshs. 1,090,000 of taxpayers’ money is unaccounted for. 3% of the total CDF funds allocated to the monitored projects in FY 2006-07 are unaccounted for.
Kshs. 6,740,000 of taxpayers’ money has been wasted due to badly implemented projects. 14% of the total CDF funds allocated to the monitored projects in FY 2007-08 were on ineffective projects.
Kshs. 1,240,000 of taxpayers’ money is unaccounted for. 3% of the total CDF funds allocated to the monitored projects in FY 2007-08 are unaccounted for. www.nta.or.ke/reports/crc/Nyeri/Gatanga_CRC_2012.pdfKshs. Nil (0) of taxpayers’ money has been wasted on badly implemented projects. 0% of the total CDF funds allocated to the monitored projects in FY 2009/10 were on badly implemented projects.
Kshs. Nil (0) of taxpayers’ money is unaccounted for. 0% of the total CDF funds allocated to the monitored projects in FY 2009/10 are unaccounted for.Issued Dec 2011: www.cdf.go.ke/component/content/article/9-news/31-cdf-board-reveals-best-and-worst-users-of-cdf-kittyButere, Gatanga and Kaloleni top the list of constituencies that use the Constituency Development Fund kitty well. Other constituencies that returned impressive results in the last financial year include Keiyo South, Mt Elgon, Baringo Central, Kaiti, Kibwezi, South Imenti and Kipkelion.Gem?
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Post by phil on May 22, 2012 14:41:19 GMT 3
Do your research and you will find out Midiwo is re-elected on the basis of his solid development record in Gem ... His CDF use record is second only to Gatanga's Peter Kenneth 2012 report so far: info.mzalendo.com/person/Jakoyo-midiwo/info.mzalendo.com/person/peter-kenneth/He's definitely much better than Kenneth at one thing: talking. Now for some hard data: www.nta.or.ke/reports/crc/Kisumu/Gem_CRC_March_2010.pdfKshs. 8,920,000 of taxpayers’ money has been wasted due to badly implemented projects. 26% of the total CDF funds allocated to the monitored projects in FY 2006-07 were on ineffective projects.
Kshs. 700,000 of taxpayers’ money is wasted due to abandoned projects. 2% of the total CDF funds allocated to the monitored projects in FY 2006-07 were on abandoned projects.
Kshs. 1,090,000 of taxpayers’ money is unaccounted for. 3% of the total CDF funds allocated to the monitored projects in FY 2006-07 are unaccounted for.
Kshs. 6,740,000 of taxpayers’ money has been wasted due to badly implemented projects. 14% of the total CDF funds allocated to the monitored projects in FY 2007-08 were on ineffective projects.
Kshs. 1,240,000 of taxpayers’ money is unaccounted for. 3% of the total CDF funds allocated to the monitored projects in FY 2007-08 are unaccounted for. www.nta.or.ke/reports/crc/Nyeri/Gatanga_CRC_2012.pdfKshs. Nil (0) of taxpayers’ money has been wasted on badly implemented projects. 0% of the total CDF funds allocated to the monitored projects in FY 2009/10 were on badly implemented projects.
Kshs. Nil (0) of taxpayers’ money is unaccounted for. 0% of the total CDF funds allocated to the monitored projects in FY 2009/10 are unaccounted for.www.cdf.go.ke/component/content/article/9-news/31-cdf-board-reveals-best-and-worst-users-of-cdf-kittyVery well. Can you indicate where I said Gem had better CDF record than Gatanga? There are 210 constituencies in Kenya . Where does GEM rank from amongst them? Please start a thread on CDF use nationally and lets avoid poluting this thread with irrelevant CDF issues.
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Post by OtishOtish on May 22, 2012 14:54:33 GMT 3
Very well. Can you indicate where I said Gem had better CDF record than Gatanga? There are 210 constituencies in Kenya . Where does GEM rank from amongst them? Phil: You clearly stated that it ranks second to Gatanga. By way of small research, highly recommended by you, I have actually gone through the national data (all constituency reports), and I find nothing that would support your claim. Gem ranks nowhere near second, and, in that regard Midiwo's performance is nowhere near Kenneths. (There is clear evidence, though, that he runs his mouth way, way more than Kenneth.) Can you point us to the data that you are using to support Midiwo's "solid development record" and stellar usage of CDF monies? I note that you now wish to abandon such discussions. I'd rather not, as I think Midiwo's job as an MP is more important than his wild stories.
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Post by phil on May 22, 2012 15:08:41 GMT 3
Very well. Can you indicate where I said Gem had better CDF record than Gatanga? There are 210 constituencies in Kenya . Where does GEM rank from amongst them? Phil: You clearly stated that it ranks second to Gatanga. By way of small research, highly recommended by you, I have actually gone through the national data (all constituencies), and I find nothing that would support your claim. Gem ranks nowhere near second. Can you point us to the data that you are using to support Midiwo's "solid development record" and stellar usage of CDF monies? I note that you now wish to abandon such discussions. I'd rather not, as I think Midiwo's job as an MP is more important than his wild stories. You are right. I told you this to support my argument that Midiwo has repeatedly been re-elected by Gem residents and this was after you tried to undermine Midiwo as a person not worthy of being MP. To the best of my knowledge he does have a solid development record on the ground. FYI - constituency development does not start and end with CDF. If Midiwo was as bad as you paint him, then he would definitely have been already voted out given that he has stood against strong candidates in the past including Joe Donde. If you go back to my first post two days ago, my comments largely dwelt on the security threat to Raila's life and the mysterious death of senior security officers in government, one of whom happens to be a constituent of Midiwo, who happens to be the whistleblower in this instance. I even urged you to start another thread on CDF use so this thread is not derailed. What is so difficult about starting a thread on CDF use? I also notice how selective you are at responding to all issues raised. This is convenient for driving an agenda but it does not help in terms of resourceful debate. Use the QUOTE feature on the board to respond broadly to everything raised not to select convenient argument.
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Post by OtishOtish on May 22, 2012 15:45:36 GMT 3
You are right. I told you this to support my argument that Midiwo has repeatedly been re-elected by Gem residents and this was after you tried to undermine Midiwo as a person not worthy of being MP. To the best of my knowledge he does have a solid development record on the ground. FYI - constituency development does not start and end with CDF. If Midiwo was as bad as you paint him, then he would definitely have been already voted out given that he has stood against strong candidates in the past including Joe Donde. If you go back to my first post two days ago, my comments largely dwelt on the security threat to Raila's life and the mysterious death of senior security officers in government, one of whom happens to be a constituent of Midiwo, who happens to be the whistleblower in this instance. I even urged you to start another thread on CDF use so this thread is not derailed. What is so difficult about starting a thread on CDF use? I also notice how selective you are at responding to all issues raised. This is convenient for driving an agenda but it does not help in terms of resourceful debate. Use the QUOTE feature on the board to respond broadly to everything raised not to select convenient argument. Phil: You chose to support your argument with a bold claim that has no basis? What else are you supporting with dodgy claims? You keep talking about this solid development record. What exactly is it, and where is the evidence? Earlier, you based it on his usage of CDF monies. Second only to Gatanga, you said. You even demanded that people do research to get the right facts. Well, now the right facts have been presented, and you are running away so fast you make Usain Bolt look like a tortoise in 1st gear. I know that, for the obvious reason, you now wish to move on. I repeat: We must look at these important issues in relation to Midiwo's actual supposed job. This episode is also revealing to the extent to which Midiwo's supporters will go: I put your claims of connections betwen the deaths of certain security people, the ICC and Midiwo's plot in exactly the same basket as your CDF claims---"proof solely by forceful assertion". I usually try to avoid quoting a large piece of text when just a few, small pieces are relevant to the points I wish to make; you will find that I am not alone in that practice. If there are specific issues you have raised that you feel I have not responded to, please indicate them, and I shall endeavour to give satisfaction. Midiwo is Raila's boy, and you can be sure that at the next election Raila will shove him down people's throats. Why Raila has people like that so close to him is not clear, but I have had it claimed that they are blood-relatives. By the way, did you see my query regarding the diplomatic passports that were issued to the killers? And can you shed some "logical" light as to why Midiwo did not immediately warn Raila? Raila could have been finished while Midiwo was still looking for a funeral to hijack!
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Post by phil on May 22, 2012 16:02:14 GMT 3
@otish..
On the contrary, am not running away from anything. You cannot start a thread to show the ranking of all the 210 constituencies so we see just how bad Gem is doing under Jakoyo's watch. I never said Gem is better than Gatanga - those are words you want to force to me. The gist of my argument was not CDF but the mysterious deaths of senior police offices and how they relate with the politics around us.
On elections, it seems when people win competitive party nominations and go on to win competitive general elections they are branded Raila's people. Fair enough.
This murder plot is a serious matter, so serious that government opted to beef up the security of the individual.
Sometimes the best form of defence is offence. I cannot reveal to you details moreso on a public forum such as this. But this thing was real. Perhaps later the details will come to light.
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Post by OtishOtish on May 22, 2012 16:25:16 GMT 3
@otish.. On the contrary, am not running away from anything. You cannot start a thread to show the ranking of all the 210 constituencies so we see just how bad Gem is doing under Jakoyo's watch. I never said Gem is better than Gatanga - those are words you want to force to me. The gist of my argument was not CDF but the mysterious deaths of senior police offices and how they relate with the politics around us. On elections, it seems when people win competitive party nominations and go on to win competitive general elections they are branded Raila's people. Fair enough. This murder plot is a serious matter, so serious that government opted to beef up the security of the individual. Sometimes the best form of defence is offence. I cannot reveal to you details moreso on a public forum such as this. But this thing was real. Perhaps later the details will come to light. One more time: You clearly stated that it ranks second only to Gatanga. (Those are your words, not ones I'm trying to force on you.) By way of small research, highly recommended by you, I have actually gone through the national data (all constituency reports), and I find nothing that would support your claim. Gem ranks nowhere near second, and, in that regard Midiwo's performance is nowhere near Kenneths. (There is clear evidence, though, that he runs his mouth way, way more than Kenneth.) Can you point us to the data that you are using to support Midiwo's "solid development record" and stellar usage of CDF monies (i.e. second only to Gatanga) ?Regarding the murder plot: An allegation was made. The government beefed up security. That's what one would have expected. What's more that effect could have been achieved without Midiwo's circus stunt. The only thing serious here is Midiwo unnecessarily raising public tensions. So, any comments on those diplomatic passports issued to killers? Any more comments on Midiwo's risking Raila's life by not immediately informing him? Ah, so you have the details but you will not reveal them on a public forum? He, he, he, ... That's pretty good. Let's continue this discussion when "the details come to light"; so far, all we've got from Midiwo and his supporters is a lot of smoke, and that's not helping in any way.
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Post by phil on May 22, 2012 16:29:12 GMT 3
@otish.. On the contrary, am not running away from anything. You cannot start a thread to show the ranking of all the 210 constituencies so we see just how bad Gem is doing under Jakoyo's watch. I never said Gem is better than Gatanga - those are words you want to force to me. The gist of my argument was not CDF but the mysterious deaths of senior police offices and how they relate with the politics around us. On elections, it seems when people win competitive party nominations and go on to win competitive general elections they are branded Raila's people. Fair enough. This murder plot is a serious matter, so serious that government opted to beef up the security of the individual. Sometimes the best form of defence is offence. I cannot reveal to you details moreso on a public forum such as this. But this thing was real. Perhaps later the details will come to light. One more time: You clearly stated that it ranks second only to Gatanga. (Those are your words, not ones I'm trying to force on you.) By way of small research, highly recommended by you, I have actually gone through the national data (all constituency reports), and I find nothing that would support your claim. Gem ranks nowhere near second, and, in that regard Midiwo's performance is nowhere near Kenneths. (There is clear evidence, though, that he runs his mouth way, way more than Kenneth.) Can you point us to the data that you are using to support Midiwo's "solid development record" and stellar usage of CDF monies (i.e. second only to Gatanga) ?Regarding the murder plot: An allegation was made. The government beefed up security. That's what one would have expected. What's more that effect could have been achieved without Midiwo's circus stunt. The only thing serious here is Midiwo unnecessarily raising public tensions. So, any comments on those diplomatic passports issued to killers? Any more comments on Midiwo's risking Raila's life by not immediately informing him? Ah, so you have the details but you will not reveal them on a public forum? He, he, he, ... That's pretty good. Let's continue this discussion when "the details come to light"; so far, all we've got from Midiwo and his supporters is a lot of smoke, and that's not helping in any way. Just be patient, the smoke will clear and the truth shall be tabled.
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Post by OtishOtish on May 22, 2012 16:38:28 GMT 3
Phil: If, when "the details come to light", I am wrong, I will retract and apologize for all my comments here. Until then, let's focus on getting Midiwo back to the work he is supposed to be doing.
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Post by jakaswanga on May 22, 2012 19:42:35 GMT 3
And whats the work/brief of Director of External Affairs,NSIS? The late Fitz Ayieko was the senior most Luo officer at the NSIS. As head of NSIS External Division, Ayieko was responsible for the collection of foreign intelligence in relation to political, social, economic and security issues as well as intelligence on organized crime. Before Kibaki abruptly renewed Maj Gen Gichangi's mandate for another five-year term in January 2011, Ayieko was deemed to be one of the senior experienced officers at NSIS most likely to be elevated to the post of DG. It was not to be! It is strange none of the mainstream media houses made any investigative enquiries into his sudden death. Even more strangely, there was no news reports on his background, family, funeral......nothing. His story has apparently been buried with him. Time will tell. the dead spymaster Ayieko: Would this be the Jaluos who is reported to have been a facilitator and coordinator of the rendition program? Now he goes to his grave with his secrets, especially about one of the darkest deeds even a rotten regime would normally shy away from. That is the arrest of own citizens to export and avail them for incaceration in foreign countries where they can be tortured, in exchange for hard money. From the mouth of her survivors, Somali nationalism has recorded some of the 'trials' from Nairobi to Mogadishu to Addis Abeba to Djibouti to off-shore American naval ships. And further tries to reconstruct the tribulations of some who went missing somewhere along the way, and are lost to history forever. And now Alas! this Jaluo spymaster who could have shed light on these matters of the missing, goes to join them with his lips . Well, lets hope his boss Gichangi does not follow him there soon --without shedding light this dark episode!
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Post by johns on May 22, 2012 21:47:41 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, Why do you have to refer to this man has a JALUO spymaster, and avoid using the same tag to Gichangi? I am beginning to have very little distinction between you and Daktari wa makazi who is nolonger a participant of this forum. He started the same way and could not help himself in the end. You may think this is funy but you are just reinforcing the stereotyping mentality which certain misguided people have been applying for years to demonize luos for whatever it mean. I plead with you to stop it and make use of other adjectives if you have to.
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Post by OtishOtish on May 22, 2012 22:04:36 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, Why do you have to refer to this man has a JALUO spymaster, and avoid using the same tag to Gichangi? . Because Gichangi isn't a JALUO?
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Post by jakaswanga on May 22, 2012 22:39:53 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, Why do you have to refer to this man has a JALUO spymaster, and avoid using the same tag to Gichangi? I am beginning to have very little distinction between you and Daktari wa makazi who is nolonger a participant of this forum. He started the same way and could not help himself in the end. You may think this is funy but you are just reinforcing the stereotyping mentality which certain misguided people have been applying for years to demonize luos for whatever it mean. I plead with you to stop it and make use of other adjectives if you have to. You have cracked it Mr. Sherlock Holmes! Sadik is my other handle! but four to go! I registered a bunch in foresight! Now go do some homework. I will take a look at it tomorrow!
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Post by jakaswanga on May 22, 2012 22:42:22 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, Why do you have to refer to this man has a JALUO spymaster, and avoid using the same tag to Gichangi? . Because Gichangi isn't a JALUO? He is only half!
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Post by johns on May 22, 2012 23:34:00 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, Why do you have to refer to this man has a JALUO spymaster, and avoid using the same tag to Gichangi? . Because Gichangi isn't a JALUO? That is my point, if tribe tags were to be placed on every name Jakaswanga chose to mention, then a Gikuyu tag should have gone before Gichangi.
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Post by johns on May 23, 2012 1:08:16 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, Why do you have to refer to this man has a JALUO spymaster, and avoid using the same tag to Gichangi? I am beginning to have very little distinction between you and Daktari wa makazi who is nolonger a participant of this forum. He started the same way and could not help himself in the end. You may think this is funy but you are just reinforcing the stereotyping mentality which certain misguided people have been applying for years to demonize luos for whatever it mean. I plead with you to stop it and make use of other adjectives if you have to. You have cracked it Mr. Sherlock Holmes! Sadik is my other handle! but four to go! I registered a bunch in foresight! Now go do some homework. I will take a look at it tomorrow! Jakaswanga, At no given point did i imply that you and Sadik are one and the same person, what i alluded to was this perpertual habit you have adopted of deprecating persons or people of luo descend who happen to be on the news at any given time be they politicians or public figures involved on certain issues of the day. Your reference to the deceased, as a JALUO spymaster not only is insulting but it takes away every intergral sum this man's career, achievement and value ought to be based on. In one word, Kiema Kilonzo hateful speech which was laced with Jaluo this and Jaluo that at one of the G7 prayer rally, aint different from what you want us to perceive this man to be. Listen its your right to self deprecate yourself before people you dont even know or have never met but its one thing to define an object of your displeasure with a communal name tag as a reference of identity. So when you say a JALUO spymaster, what precisely do you mean and what message do you intend to drive home with your demonization?
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