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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 23, 2012 3:03:12 GMT 3
Just as we called it on day one, this was a silly and cheap attention seeking from the masters of deceit. As we can see, the only evidence they have is that, the prime ministers security was beefed up. In fact the more I read such arguments, the more I get convinced that, in his small mind, Raila must have wanted as much security around him as possible so as to look very powerful and presidential.
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Post by OtishOtish on May 23, 2012 3:27:52 GMT 3
Just as we called it on day one, this was a silly and cheap attention seeking from the masters of deceit. As we can see, the only evidence they have is that, the prime ministers security was beefed up. In fact the more I read such arguments, the more I get convinced that, in his small mind, Raila must have wanted as much security around him as possible so as to look very powerful and presidential. I think you may be going too far. I don't believe that Raila would knowingly be involved in something so poorly thought-out, which is why I am prepared to accept the claim that the first time he heard of this story was at the funeral. I think this was a case of Midiwo being "proactive" and trying to curry favour with The Big Man but failing to think things through.
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Post by mank on May 23, 2012 3:52:03 GMT 3
Just as we called it on day one, this was a silly and cheap attention seeking from the masters of deceit. As we can see, the only evidence they have is that, the prime ministers security was beefed up. In fact the more I read such arguments, the more I get convinced that, in his small mind, Raila must have wanted as much security around him as possible so as to look very powerful and presidential. I think you may be going too far. I don't believe that Raila would knowingly be involved in something so poorly thought-out, which is why I am prepared to accept the claim that the first time he heard of this story was at the funeral. I think this was a case of Midiwo being "proactive" and trying to curry favour with The Big Man but failing to think things through. You risk overestimating polytricians. Recall that around the same time there was another one who was "forced" to face mt. Kenya and chant Uhuru support ... was it 3 or seven times he had to do that? Those are two real damn allegations designed by people we refuse to believe are not smart.
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Post by jakaswanga on May 23, 2012 21:17:35 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, what i alluded to was this perpertual habit you have adopted of deprecating persons or people of luo descend who happen to be on the news at any given time be they politicians or public figures involved on certain issues of the day. Your reference to the deceased, as a JALUO spymaster not only is insulting but it takes away every intergral sum this man's career, achievement and value ought to be based on. In one word, Kiema Kilonzo hateful speech which was laced with Jaluo this and Jaluo that at one of the G7 prayer rally, aint different from what you want us to perceive this man to be. Listen its your right to self deprecate yourself before people you dont even know or have never met but its one thing to define an object of your displeasure with a communal name tag as a reference of identity. So when you say a JALUO spymaster, what precisely do you mean and what message do you intend to drive home with your demonization? JohnsThis perpertual habit is easily explained. The current dominant strand of Luo nationalism seems to commission only substandard material to public office. [Tell me about the mayors of Luoland towns, the minor versions of Majiwa..] I am too meticulous too make baseless statements, so If I trash your holy Luo men who occupy public positions, I must have stated clearly my motivations. lets take a bird's eye view: Nyong'o: The good news is I advised he should take his political science brains far from public office, to some fishy university where his great brains would quickly put paid to the fishy reputation. In public office he is a horror. An incompetent and hopeless minister for health, recently humiliated by Raila on the NHIF saga. Direct nomination did not set a good example for competitive democracy in a party singing that mantra like the ODM. An intellectual blunder. As party secretariat boss he failed to hinder the attempt to impose an office candidate on Makadara, and lost the by election. Such a man I will trash any day in public office. 2. Lumumba PLO.The good news is I posted his command of the Queens speak is of a level only comparable to the late Arguenge Kodhek, the man who, according to folklore, nodhumo kisungu ni wasungu, mi wasungu okuno dhogi, kendo ojok oriembe a ulaya! [the white man could not stand Argwing's command of their language; dejected, they gave him all his degrees and deported him!]. But as a successor to Ringera, and in comparison to Githong'o the earlier anti-corruption Czar, I reasoned Lumumba was a thing best forgotten, and only talked of as ' ngero': the personification of incompetence. 3. Caroli Omondi. Tell you a story. Once upon a time the money-master who had 'pulled' our musical group to the city, told us if we sang the 'maize song' at the upper market joint, then he could not guarantee our payment. The maize song came about when somebody from Kibera told us Caroli was driving a 20M worth BMW! Onyiewo gan'go? [how did he buy it?] our creative singer asked? 'Ouso oduma e chiro', [sold maize at the open market!] the Kibera man replied with a grin. Oduma ma watedogo kuonni kara ohande duong'? [so this staple of ours is big business, he?!] Lich Nairobi ka, Ruto onyiewogo ndege! [Sky rockets I tell you. Ruto bought a plane with it!] And within 20 minutes we had a refrain to a new song: Caroli susnwae oduma! mogo nengone osudo! To oduma otimo sum, kik isusne Agwambo! [Caroli, chotea sisi maindi kidogo, bei ya unga ni ndege! Lakini maindi hiyo ni sumu, usimchotee Agwambo!] Now Johns, you catch why my type wont join you in singing the praise songs of your darling Caroli? Midiwo & Kajwang': it would be degrading to comment on the buffoonery of this theatrical duo. Orengo: quashed the Ndung'u report. S okyimau revealed the rot he still presides over. His win in Ugenya? there is a story there we love to tell in dholuo! 'onywome kura'! Raila is a genial campaigner and political activist, but no head for administration and the nitty-gritty of bareaucratic tedium. Like re-visiting things to see they are done, otherwise the beautiful hospital costing millions is just a kiosk ---like the recent Clinix hospitals which are state of the art on paper, but just Maersk % Coca-Cola containers in reality! So when I deprecate I always substantiate! Ojode: I called him dumb-Rambo when he threatened to lock Eastleigh down in search of al shabaab, and he used language which was uncooth and inflammatory at the adress of all Somalis! Otieno dalmas: a renowned crack ideologue of ethnic math. I called him an evil genius --he is the kind of guy whose mind would size up Kosgey as running mate! Professor Muga: the way he suspended the committee of NHIF on TV! very Thoracic Othorong'ong'o! -------------------- I think you are so much used to mediocrity, that you think the performances of people like Nyong'o Orengo and the rest of the Jaluos are worth praise songs! Wuothi eka ine! see the way other people run their countries! Exams without leakages; uniform voltage on the power lines 24/7 all year all century; water pumps which are only decommissioned because technology has moved and now they are museum pieces, and not because they are broken. Some years back I asked my students how many of them had ever turned on a tap in Kisumu which produced HOT WATER! They laughed like mad! HOT WATER! hizo mavitu hunyambanyamba tu mahewa! ----------------- Singing the praises of petty bourgeoisie comprador as a ruling class? Haha Johns, you got someway to go! So this honourable Ayieko to you, is he the man of renditions?
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Post by einstein on May 23, 2012 23:49:30 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, what i alluded to was this perpertual habit you have adopted of deprecating persons or people of luo descend who happen to be on the news at any given time be they politicians or public figures involved on certain issues of the day. Your reference to the deceased, as a JALUO spymaster not only is insulting but it takes away every intergral sum this man's career, achievement and value ought to be based on. In one word, Kiema Kilonzo hateful speech which was laced with Jaluo this and Jaluo that at one of the G7 prayer rally, aint different from what you want us to perceive this man to be. Listen its your right to self deprecate yourself before people you dont even know or have never met but its one thing to define an object of your displeasure with a communal name tag as a reference of identity. So when you say a JALUO spymaster, what precisely do you mean and what message do you intend to drive home with your demonization? JohnsThis perpertual habit is easily explained. The current dominant strand of Luo nationalism seems to commission only substandard material to public office. [Tell me about the mayors of Luoland towns, the minor versions of Majiwa..] I am too meticulous too make baseless statements, so If I trash your holy Luo men who occupy public positions, I must have stated clearly my motivations.lets take a bird's eye view: Nyong'o: The good news is I advised he should take his political science brains far from public office, to some fishy university where his great brains would quickly put paid to the fishy reputation. In public office he is a horror. An incompetent and hopeless minister for health, recently humiliated by Raila on the NHIF saga. Direct nomination did not set a good example for competitive democracy in a party singing that mantra like the ODM. An intellectual blunder. As party secretariat boss he failed to hinder the attempt to impose an office candidate on Makadara, and lost the by election. Such a man I will trash any day in public office. 2. Lumumba PLO.The good news is I posted his command of the Queens speak is of a level only comparable to the late Arguenge Kodhek, the man who, according to folklore, nodhumo kisungu ni wasungu, mi wasungu okuno dhogi, kendo ojok oriembe a ulaya! [the white man could not stand Argwing's command of their language; dejected, they gave him all his degrees and deported him!]. But as a successor to Ringera, and in comparison to Githong'o the earlier anti-corruption Czar, I reasoned Lumumba was a thing best forgotten, and only talked of as ' ngero': the personification of incompetence. 3. Caroli Omondi. Tell you a story. Once upon a time the money-master who had 'pulled' our musical group to the city, told us if we sang the 'maize song' at the upper market joint, then he could not guarantee our payment. The maize song came about when somebody from Kibera told us Caroli was driving a 20M worth BMW! Onyiewo gan'go? [how did he buy it?] our creative singer asked? 'Ouso oduma e chiro', [sold maize at the open market!] the Kibera man replied with a grin. Oduma ma watedogo kuonni kara ohande duong'? [so this staple of ours is big business, he?!] Lich Nairobi ka, Ruto onyiewogo ndege! [Sky rockets I tell you. Ruto bought a plane with it!] And within 20 minutes we had a refrain to a new song: Caroli susnwae oduma! mogo nengone osudo! To oduma otimo sum, kik isusne Agwambo! [Caroli, chotea sisi maindi kidogo, bei ya unga ni ndege! Lakini maindi hiyo ni sumu, usimchotee Agwambo!] Now Johns, you catch why my type wont join you in singing the praise songs of your darling Caroli? Midiwo & Kajwang': it would be degrading to comment on the buffoonery of this theatrical duo. Orengo: quashed the Ndung'u report. S okyimau revealed the rot he still presides over. His win in Ugenya? there is a story there we love to tell in dholuo! 'onywome kura'! Raila is a genial campaigner and political activist, but no head for administration and the nitty-gritty of bareaucratic tedium. Like re-visiting things to see they are done, otherwise the beautiful hospital costing millions is just a kiosk ---like the recent Clinix hospitals which are state of the art on paper, but just Maersk % Coca-Cola containers in reality! So when I deprecate I always substantiate! Ojode: I called him dumb-Rambo when he threatened to lock Eastleigh down in search of al shabaab, and he used language which was uncooth and inflammatory at the adress of all Somalis! Otieno dalmas: a renowned crack ideologue of ethnic math. I called him an evil genius --he is the kind of guy whose mind would size up Kosgey as running mate! Professor Muga: the way he suspended the committee of NHIF on TV! very Thoracic Othorong'ong'o! -------------------- I think you are so much used to mediocrity, that you think the performances of people like Nyong'o Orengo and the rest of the Jaluos are worth praise songs! Wuothi eka ine! see the way other people run their countries! Exams without leakages; uniform voltage on the power lines 24/7 all year all century; water pumps which are only decommissioned because technology has moved and now they are museum pieces, and not because they are broken. Some years back I asked my students how many of them had ever turned on a tap in Kisumu which produced HOT WATER! They laughed like mad! HOT WATER! hizo mavitu hunyambanyamba tu mahewa! ----------------- Singing the praises of petty bourgeoisie comprador as a ruling class? Haha Johns, you got someway to go! So this honourable Ayieko to you, is he the man of renditions? Jakaswanga,The hatchet between the two of us is buried, but the struggle continues.I'm responding specifically to that part of your post marked red above in my quote. The response you still owe to this board to date pertains to the question: If you, Jakaswanga, is too meticulous to make baseless statements, and if your trashing of 'holy Luo men who occupy public positions', was meant to state your clear motivations, then could you please finally indulge this board why such a meticulous Luo like yourself, Jakaswanga, had to be fired from your teaching job? So what was your motivation when you told us about your firing and what motivated your firing by your bosses from your teaching job at the time? I asked you this question once before, but never got a response. Do you want to have a go at it this time round? Or were you just kidding about you getting fired from your teaching job? Please do not ask me where and when you said the above. We've got the evidence in the Jukwaa archives. Always remember that the hatchet is deeply buried in the Abyss!!
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Post by johns on May 24, 2012 0:25:13 GMT 3
Jakaswanga,
I know you are intelligent enough to understand that i dont give a damn who you trash as a person. If anyone be it luo, Kalenjin, etc, ..., and has not performed duty as required by public expectation, rest assured i know where to put them. Eh! i will even join you in expressing the same distaste in how i view the list of names you have posted and i have said so right here in jukwaa in the past My concern was not about specific individuals but with the way you placed a tribal tag on the individual name as if his perceived incompetence derives itself because he is Luo. ........, or something distatesful a JALUO! So i will ask, when does a person (of the lake) lose his/her individuality and become derogatively a JALUO as applied here?
As a matter of fact yours can be considered as hate speech. You can not debase an individual on account of his birthplace, i think their record should do the talking. If Ayieko was responsible for renditioning of kenyans to other places, how does is luoness come in? Eti! JALUO sypmaster, you should be ashamed of yourself. And for a person who has been bestowed by public and parents to teach our children good manners and make kenya tribeless, you surely dissapoint.
Do you know the difference between being a LUO and a JALUO? As a historian you should know better. When Museveni made reference to people of Kibera as JALUO after they disrupted Railway service to Uganda, do you think it was in a positive gesture? Or when he talks about Migingo? I thought you were smart but i guess playing to the public gallery and to some audience is what appear to be important to you. Again! if you want to make an ass of yourself who am i to stop you, just go a head.
Again, incompetence of kenyas public officials is not confined to only a region or community and if you want to talk about that, then lets do it and i hope you have prepared a derogative word for every tribe of kenyas public officials who are not luos. Lets start here .....
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Post by einstein on May 24, 2012 2:40:32 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, I know you are intelligent enough to understand that i dont give a damn who you trash as a person. If anyone be it luo, Kalenjin, etc, ..., and has not performed duty as required by public expectation, rest assured i know where to put them. Eh! i will even join you in expressing the same distaste in how i view the list of names you have posted and i have said so right here in jukwaa in the past My concern was not about specific individuals but with the way you placed a tribal tag on the individual name as if his perceived incompetence derives itself because he is Luo. ........, or something distatesful a JALUO! So i will ask, when does a person (of the lake) lose his/her individuality and become derogatively a JALUO as applied here? As a matter of fact yours can be considered as hate speech. You can not debase an individual on account of his birthplace, i think their record should do the talking. If Ayieko was responsible for renditioning of kenyans to other places, how does is luoness come in? Eti! JALUO sypmaster, you should be ashamed of yourself. And for a person who has been bestowed by public and parents to teach our children good manners and make kenya tribeless, you surely dissapoint. Do you know the difference between being a LUO and a JALUO? As a historian you should know better. When Museveni made reference to people of Kibera as JALUO after they disrupted Railway service to Uganda, do you think it was in a positive gesture? Or when he talks about Migingo? I thought you were smart but i guess playing to the public gallery and to some audience is what appear to be important to you. Again! if you want to make an ass of yourself who am i to stop you, just go a head. Again, incompetence of kenyas public officials is not confined to only a region or community and if you want to talk about that, then lets do it and i hope you have prepared a derogative word for every tribe of kenyas public officials who are not luos. Lets start here ..... Johns,My response to the portion in red above: Exactly my point viz-a-viz Jakaswanga ever since he joined this board seemingly with the sole purpose to demonstrate how he, Jakaswanga, can single-handedly put his own folk down! What you, John, are saying is what I told Jakaswanga when I first interacted with him on this board last year! This does not imply that Jakaswanga should not critique his own ethnic group. He should do it by all means, but he himself should be above reproach first! Jakaswanga, my brother, it is one thing to bad-mouth whoever; it is a completely different ball game all together to stand head and shoulders above someone or something! Please convince once that you are for real!!! The hatchet is still deeply buried in the Abyss where it rightfully belongs!!
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Post by OtishOtish on May 24, 2012 3:00:57 GMT 3
Friends: We are losing focus. This should be about the Clown Midiwo and the need to get him back to work. Real work.
As for the call that Jakaswanga be above this or that: Unhelpful and misguided. We can all tell whether a person plays football well, sings well, etc. without ourselves even being able to play football, sing at all etc. If politicians cannot be criticized on how they do their job, unless one has first shown to Jukwaa his or her own worth, then we might as well shut down this place and go home.
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Post by einstein on May 24, 2012 3:28:33 GMT 3
Friends: We are losing focus. This should be about the Clown Midiwo and the need to get him back to work. Real work. As for the call that Jakaswanga be above this or that: Unhelpful and misguided. We can all tell whether a person plays football well, sings well, etc. without ourselves even being able to play football, sing at all etc. If politicians cannot be criticized on how they do their job, unless one has first shown to Jukwaa his or her own worth, then we might as well shut down this place and go home. Otishotish,Just in case you did not know, Jukwaa is not your kind of board where every one comes up with pure hatred and gets away with it. Could you please be kind enough to let Jakaswanga personally respond to my queries of yore to which he has not responded to date. We are talking about queries put to Jakaswanga by myself when he was still a newbie on this board. Please be kind and and get yourself out of it since you got no idea what it was all about. Your time to answer queries will be soon. Concentrate on that please!
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Post by johns on May 24, 2012 3:33:00 GMT 3
Friends: We are losing focus. This should be about the Clown Midiwo and the need to get him back to work. Real work. As for the call that Jakaswanga be above this or that: Unhelpful and misguided. We can all tell whether a person plays football well, sings well, etc. without ourselves even being able to play football, sing at all etc. If politicians cannot be criticized on how they do their job, unless one has first shown to Jukwaa his or her own worth, then we might as well shut down this place and go home. Otishotish, Let me ask you a simple question before i immerse myself into this discussion. When somebody refers to you as a Luo and a Jaluo, do you feel anything? Is it also possible to have a discussion and critique people without using their tribal affiliation derogatively? I am suprised that both you and Jakaswanga think we are having this discussion because i am defending the scumbags who call themselves political leaders. I dont give a rats ass about everyone of them, i only value a person who consistently stand for something noble and honourable.
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Post by johns on May 24, 2012 3:46:25 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, I know you are intelligent enough to understand that i dont give a damn who you trash as a person. If anyone be it luo, Kalenjin, etc, ..., and has not performed duty as required by public expectation, rest assured i know where to put them. Eh! i will even join you in expressing the same distaste in how i view the list of names you have posted and i have said so right here in jukwaa in the past My concern was not about specific individuals but with the way you placed a tribal tag on the individual name as if his perceived incompetence derives itself because he is Luo. ........, or something distatesful a JALUO! So i will ask, when does a person (of the lake) lose his/her individuality and become derogatively a JALUO as applied here? As a matter of fact yours can be considered as hate speech. You can not debase an individual on account of his birthplace, i think their record should do the talking. If Ayieko was responsible for renditioning of kenyans to other places, how does is luoness come in? Eti! JALUO sypmaster, you should be ashamed of yourself. And for a person who has been bestowed by public and parents to teach our children good manners and make kenya tribeless, you surely dissapoint. Do you know the difference between being a LUO and a JALUO? As a historian you should know better. When Museveni made reference to people of Kibera as JALUO after they disrupted Railway service to Uganda, do you think it was in a positive gesture? Or when he talks about Migingo? I thought you were smart but i guess playing to the public gallery and to some audience is what appear to be important to you. Again! if you want to make an ass of yourself who am i to stop you, just go a head. Again, incompetence of kenyas public officials is not confined to only a region or community and if you want to talk about that, then lets do it and i hope you have prepared a derogative word for every tribe of kenyas public officials who are not luos. Lets start here ..... Johns,My response to the portion in red above: Exactly my point viz-a-viz Jakaswanga ever since he joined this board seemingly with the sole purpose to demonstrate how he, Jakaswanga, can single-handedly put his own folk down! What you, John, are saying is what I told Jakaswanga when I first interacted with him on this board last year! This does not imply that Jakaswanga should not critique his own ethnic group. He should do it by all means, but he himself should be above reproach first! Jakaswanga, my brother, it is one thing to bad-mouth whoever; it is a completely different ball game all together to stand head and shoulders above someone or something! Please convince once that you are for real!!! The hatchet is still deeply buried in the Abyss where it rightfully belongs!!Einstein, It does not bother me that he puts his own folks down whenever they deserve it. The only thing that offends me its his choice of derogative application . Its like blacks get offended when they are called black persons, but is it okay for them to call each other black person? When Kiema Kilonzo goes berserk in a public rally and make reference that this one man, this Jaluo is the problem to peace, why should it be okay when jakaswanga goes a head and does the same? That is the problem here and i am wondering why it is so difficult to understand. May be you can make me understand how these peoples mind work.
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Post by johns on May 24, 2012 3:50:44 GMT 3
Einstein,
I guess my wordings have been removed and replaced with black person instead of the word N*igger
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Post by OtishOtish on May 24, 2012 3:53:05 GMT 3
johns: My age and experiences are such that I have been called everything under the sun; there is little left that would *really* bother me.
As to where you, einstein, and jakaswanga may be headed with all this, I'm afraid I won't be joining you, but I will make this observation: very often, being let down by a family member is more hurtful than being let down by a stranger.
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Post by johns on May 24, 2012 4:10:20 GMT 3
johns: My age and experiences are such that I have been called everything under the sun; there is little left that would *really* bother me. As to where you, einstein, and jakaswanga may be headed with all this, I'm afraid I won't be joining you, but I will make this observation: very often, being let down by a family member is more hurtful than being let down by a stranger. Otishotish, When you say being let down by a family member is more hurtful than being let down by a stranger, i totally agree and that is why i am having difficulty that a member of the same tribe would use derogative term that is often applied by those who use it in a demeaningful way vis a viz members of the luo community. But eh! you seem to be okay with it. By the way i am probably much older than you and i have seen it all.
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Post by einstein on May 24, 2012 4:14:20 GMT 3
As to where you, einstein, and jakaswanga may be headed with all this, I'm afraid I won't be joining you, but I will make this observation: very often, being let down by a family member is more hurtful than being let down by a stranger. My friend you don't seem to get it!! Folks are not simply incompetent simply because they happen to be Luos!! That is Jakaswanga's theory and hence my query to Jakaswanga why he got kicked-out of his teaching job! Was it because he happens to be a Luo?This will be my last one on this issue till i hear from my brother Jakaswanga personally.
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Post by OtishOtish on May 24, 2012 4:29:15 GMT 3
As to where you, einstein, and jakaswanga may be headed with all this, I'm afraid I won't be joining you, but I will make this observation: very often, being let down by a family member is more hurtful than being let down by a stranger. My friend you don't seem to get it!! It's worse than that. Not only don't I get it (whatever the it may be), but I don't even have the slightest interest in getting it.
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Post by nalinali on May 24, 2012 12:17:03 GMT 3
As to where you, einstein, and jakaswanga may be headed with all this, I'm afraid I won't be joining you, but I will make this observation: very often, being let down by a family member is more hurtful than being let down by a stranger. My friend you don't seem to get it!! Folks are not simply incompetent simply because they happen to be Luos!! That is Jakaswanga's theory and hence my query to Jakaswanga why he got kicked-out of his teaching job! Was it because he happens to be a Luo?This will be my last one on this issue till i hear from my brother Jakaswanga personally. Let me chime in on this digression (considering the topical focus). For all his professed claim to being a historian, I have quietly accepted Jakaswanga's obvious analytical dexterity with the sad realization that his convictions are woefully undercut by a shallowness of historical knowledge especially as relates to Kenya's political history. Leaves his convictions hanging and un-anchored on a credibly sound and informed basis. Ironical?? I know not, but quite dispiriting.
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Post by jakaswanga on May 25, 2012 23:53:06 GMT 3
Friends: We are losing focus.[/size] This should be about the Clown Midiwo and the need to get him back to work. Real work.
As for the call that Jakaswanga be above this or that: Unhelpful and misguided. We can all tell whether a person plays football well, sings well, etc. without ourselves even being able to play football, sing at all etc. If politicians cannot be criticized on how they do their job, unless one has first shown to Jukwaa his or her own worth, then we might as well shut down this place and go home. Johns, Einstein, nalinali & the rest of the lynch mob!I think Otishotish is right here, that the turn of our exchanges are no longer focused on the antics of our market-madman Jakoyo. But, on the other hand, the sensitivities of you folks towards the honour your underperforming or criminal tribesmen, reveals the need to carry on this debate elsewhere. I will therefore start a thread to discuss the comparative insecurities of Kenyan Luo nationalism, especially in the foreground of Project Raila. And please let us make it an altercation reminscent of the Mboya-Argwings spectacle of yonder! Ask your grandfathers: when TJ locked horns with CMG in Nairobi then, Kenyans had a glimpse of detribalized society! This vision would briefly resurface when JM locked horns with Onyatto!This will be a battle in a steel-cage! cerebral gloves banned!
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Post by einstein on May 26, 2012 1:21:17 GMT 3
Friends: We are losing focus.[/size] This should be about the Clown Midiwo and the need to get him back to work. Real work.
As for the call that Jakaswanga be above this or that: Unhelpful and misguided. We can all tell whether a person plays football well, sings well, etc. without ourselves even being able to play football, sing at all etc. If politicians cannot be criticized on how they do their job, unless one has first shown to Jukwaa his or her own worth, then we might as well shut down this place and go home. Johns, Einstein, nalinali & the rest of the lynch mob!I think Otishotish is right here, that the turn of our exchanges are no longer focused on the antics of our market-madman Jakoyo. But, on the other hand, the sensitivities of you folks towards the honour your underperforming or criminal tribesmen, reveals the need to carry on this debate elsewhere. I will therefore start a thread to discuss the comparative insecurities of Kenyan Luo nationalism, especially in the foreground of Project Raila. And please let us make it an altercation reminscent of the Mboya-Argwings spectacle of yonder! Ask your grandfathers: when TJ locked horns with CMG in Nairobi then, Kenyans had a glimpse of detribalized society! This vision would briefly resurface when JM locked horns with Onyatto!This will be a battle in a steel-cage! cerebral gloves banned! Yeah, clutching on straws courtesy of Otishotish, right? Not bad at all! Okay, bring it on now brother Jakaswanga! Please make sure that the core thesis of your new thread reads 'The Luo are inherently incompetent'. That should be the gist of the discussion going by your posts above.
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