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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 9, 2012 22:44:15 GMT 3
Given ODM has been half-loafing for the past 4 years in the GCG, and no glasnost in such matters, neither the rest --Ouko et al, you will understand why some of us are skeptical. Scaremongering election time tactics is a serious possibility. otishotishA question you asked intrigues me: ODM, part of the government, will want to insist the police force which protects most of them, and some of them head, is mavi ya kuku?How long do you need to clean up mavi ya kuku?
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 9, 2012 23:14:21 GMT 3
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Post by einstein on Apr 9, 2012 23:29:15 GMT 3
Oh my Mighty Jah, how I have wasted time trying dealing with mankind! Jah, please help me to be the better me!! NO WOMAN NO CRY RIDDIM (TWALA MIX)
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Post by OtishOtish on Apr 10, 2012 0:14:57 GMT 3
No, it's not. That's just the authorities planning to talk to Midiwo and find out what's going on. I took it as a given that that would happen, and, given the public dramatic public announce, in my what now/next questions I was expecting a bit more. And haven't we been told that Midiwo did not first go to these guys because they are obviously corrupt, incompetent, and untrustworthy? These guys are not even from Bondo, where the authorities were challenged to challenge. Tobiko and Iteere are nothing, although to ordinary people, who don't know The Secret of Sectrets, they would be logical choices in something as big as a plot to assassinate the PM. Like all concerned citizens, I want to hear directly from the OCPD of Bondo. I'm sure there is a reason why he, and not Iteere, was chosen for the challenge to challenge.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 10, 2012 1:00:21 GMT 3
Your observation is lumping every politician who cries at a friends funeral as crying crocodile tears or is it as you term it Politician tears, that is absurd one can't just make statements out of think air and insist that they are true.. . I find it insulating that one can blatantly claim that others cry crocodile tears at funerals..[/b] by the way how well do you know the PM and who gives you the right to claim that he was crying crocodile tears at his friends funeral? As for the death threat announce by Midiwo.. why come out shooting it down? what do you know that most Kenyans are unaware of? Al shabaab terrorist are now being blamed for everything including the recent bombing.. anyone planning an assassination has a window of opportunity to blame the terrorist to cover any murder of high level politicians.. I wonder if the plot was against Uhuru or Kibaki what reaction would have been out there? I bet you the police commissioner, CD Boss and every other Top notch police in the country would have been shouting on top of their voices how they were going to get to the bottom of the threat!! ala ! jukwaa would have been RED HOT with people shouting how dare.. just because it it the PM others are ready to brush and shrug the death plot off! utter nonsenses.. fact it is Midiwo announced to the world that a threat on the PM's life is out there.. Kenyans want to get to the bottom of who was involved and what was the planned end game.. A THREAT IS A THREAT AND IT MUST BE FOLLOWED UP!! Reporter!I had forgotten you are the world's worst reader! and clinical logic is far from your taste! What do you think spindoctors do with politicians? and what do you think 5 thousand years of recorded political history tells us about politicians? Giving a politician the benefit of doubt in Kenya, is like trusting a pick-pocket with your pockets! Let me tell you a story. The argument was about the car a leading politician should drive: a fuel-saving, economical, enviroment friendly toyota, or a fuel-guzzler top of the range monster like a hummer? And the spindoctors went to work. The public was profiled, the image to be projected too. And so you can guess which car was bought. I will state that before a politician weeps in public, he consults his spindoctor. Because in that tear drop, a whole image can be deconstructed, and tonnes of work of sleepless nights undone! That is why sciences like the biochemical analysis of tears to define the emotions that precipitated them are interesting! a behaviour exhibited without the emotion. [can there be other scientific proof apart from intuition?] There is a saying in Luo about the tears people shed at a funeral! Even without political theory of public relations, it reminds me of how deep the hearts of men can be in skulduggery! ----------------- Others: when the foreign minister is mentioned in a plot to assassinate the Prime minister of a country, and there is no cabinet crisis, do you not recognize you are viewing a theater of the asurd? There is no understanding here how serious a murder plot is. Everything is a joke in Kenya. But we will sure learn not everything is a joke in reality. No need for me to reply to your offensive dribble against me ;D you have your own opinion about mourners and i have mine.. i ain't going to stoop low enter into nasty exchange with you if that is what you are looking for Midiwo had a right to call out the threat on the PM nobody knows how serious except for those who have a hand in the plot... the truth will come out soon, just like in the case of the Ature brothers who were shipped out very quickly to stop them being questioned ivyo tu!!!!!
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Post by kamalet on Apr 10, 2012 6:09:53 GMT 3
Some of you talk as if you are not kenyans. Many have been murdered in kenya. Both high and low profile people. We have lost (through murder) close to 10K mungiki youth in the the michuki/kibaki crackdown. This in a period of less than 10 years. We have lost a whole bunch of political activists and agitators courtesy of moi`s 24 year rule. We have lost at least a dozen politicians (mp`s, ministers, councilors etc). Nobody has ever been arrested and charged with the above murders by our so called police. To claim that he police can avert murder is a lie. I know that the police are good at arresting changaa brewers and harassing motorists but thats it. Obviously former policemen like Kamale see nothing wrong with the rotten force.Im actually surprised that anybody would invoke the name of police as far as averting, investigating and bringing to book criminals is concerned. MzeeYou have no idea of who I am and what I do or ever did. Please note that I take offense at being referred to as a policeman. I have never been one nor aspired to be one in my life. I have no issue with you disagreeing with me and will not even dare stop you. You will never see me talk about people in Jukwaa and their careers unless they declare them (see Omwenga or Miguna) as I actually only know one person in Jukwaa only and that is Oloo whom I have met and had a drink with. Kamale
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Post by mank on Apr 10, 2012 6:32:22 GMT 3
back in the city with some pleasant news amidst this stunning one: the breaking news is that agwambo's numbers are up, over the requisite 50 per cent mark.now, thats as someone points out, makes him a high value target.
my comment as i settle down, is that i fullly agree with midiwo.
food for thought: when muthaura was busted in the secret recording at his office with some ameru students, guess who had the tape way before hand? Makes Midiwo sound like a natural magnet for info from the underword. ... but I think Nereah you are using the term "bursted" too liberally. If it is along this concept of "bursting" that Midiwo has a story, then the story will be a disappointment.
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Post by mzee on Apr 10, 2012 9:41:36 GMT 3
Some of you talk as if you are not kenyans. Many have been murdered in kenya. Both high and low profile people. We have lost (through murder) close to 10K mungiki youth in the the michuki/kibaki crackdown. This in a period of less than 10 years. We have lost a whole bunch of political activists and agitators courtesy of moi`s 24 year rule. We have lost at least a dozen politicians (mp`s, ministers, councilors etc). Nobody has ever been arrested and charged with the above murders by our so called police. To claim that he police can avert murder is a lie. I know that the police are good at arresting changaa brewers and harassing motorists but thats it. Obviously former policemen like Kamale see nothing wrong with the rotten force.Im actually surprised that anybody would invoke the name of police as far as averting, investigating and bringing to book criminals is concerned. MzeeYou have no idea of who I am and what I do or ever did. Please note that I take offense at being referred to as a policeman. I have never been one nor aspired to be one in my life. I have no issue with you disagreeing with me and will not even dare stop you. You will never see me talk about people in Jukwaa and their careers unless they declare them (see Omwenga or Miguna) as I actually only know one person in Jukwaa only and that is Oloo whom I have met and had a drink with. Kamale Your friend Miguna revealed the above to us. I have not seen you refute it hence my belief that u are actually a karau. I will dig up Migunas post for all to see
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Post by savekenya011 on Apr 10, 2012 11:45:56 GMT 3
MzeeYou have no idea of who I am and what I do or ever did. Please note that I take offense at being referred to as a policeman. I have never been one nor aspired to be one in my life. I have no issue with you disagreeing with me and will not even dare stop you. You will never see me talk about people in Jukwaa and their careers unless they declare them (see Omwenga or Miguna) as I actually only know one person in Jukwaa only and that is Oloo whom I have met and had a drink with. Kamale Your friend Miguna revealed the above to us. I have not seen you refute it hence my belief that u are actually a karau. I will dig up Migunas post for all to see Uuumh, Bwana Mze, with all due respect please indulge us; exactly how does Kamalet's proffesional line add value to the topic at hand? So he is a cop or a former cop, so what? And even if he is/was arent all perceptions shaped by our environment and experiences? And we all are entitled to them that is why intelligent people agree to disagree without sideshows. And in any case, even if Kamalet is/was a cop, he has clearly stated that that doesnt matter and informed you to refrain from referring to him as such. OBLIGE the man! Make your point and move on! Stop trying to derail this thread. kamalet, you dont need to recieve advice from me but, hey, just ignore this nonsense. Be the bigger man.
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Post by Omwenga on Apr 10, 2012 12:00:51 GMT 3
Some of you talk as if you are not kenyans. Many have been murdered in kenya. Both high and low profile people. We have lost (through murder) close to 10K mungiki youth in the the michuki/kibaki crackdown. This in a period of less than 10 years. We have lost a whole bunch of political activists and agitators courtesy of moi`s 24 year rule. We have lost at least a dozen politicians (mp`s, ministers, councilors etc). Nobody has ever been arrested and charged with the above murders by our so called police. To claim that he police can avert murder is a lie. I know that the police are good at arresting changaa brewers and harassing motorists but thats it. Obviously former policemen like Kamale see nothing wrong with the rotten force.Im actually surprised that anybody would invoke the name of police as far as averting, investigating and bringing to book criminals is concerned. You will never see me talk about people in Jukwaa and their careers unless they declare them (see Omwenga or Miguna) Speaking for myself, I have never "declared" my career. What I recall is some handful of idiots and losers incessantly attacking yours truly including making defamatory statements regarding his professional life before he ever said anything about being a lawyer or what he does for a living. Go back to the archives and you will not find a single post where yours truly ever disclosed anything about his career but he was forced to discuss it when some morons who could not debate him on relevant issues chose to make such an irrelevancy an issue.
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Post by mzee on Apr 10, 2012 12:25:04 GMT 3
Your friend Miguna revealed the above to us. I have not seen you refute it hence my belief that u are actually a karau. I will dig up Migunas post for all to see Uuumh, Bwana Mze, with all due respect please indulge us; exactly how does Kamalet's proffesional line add value to the topic at hand? So he is a cop or a former cop, so what? And even if he is/was arent all perceptions shaped by our environment and experiences? And we all are entitled to them that is why intelligent people agree to disagree without sideshows. And in any case, even if Kamalet is/was a cop, he has clearly stated that that doesnt matter and informed you to refrain from referring to him as such. OBLIGE the man! Make your point and move on! Stop trying to derail this thread. kamalet, you dont need to recieve advice from me but, hey, just ignore this nonsense. Be the bigger man. I thought that this was a discussion between Kamale and I. Where do you fit in? I don't mind you being Kamales nyapara but let me square the matter with him.
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Post by savekenya011 on Apr 10, 2012 13:36:17 GMT 3
Uuumh, Bwana Mze, with all due respect please indulge us; exactly how does Kamalet's proffesional line add value to the topic at hand? So he is a cop or a former cop, so what? And even if he is/was arent all perceptions shaped by our environment and experiences? And we all are entitled to them that is why intelligent people agree to disagree without sideshows. And in any case, even if Kamalet is/was a cop, he has clearly stated that that doesnt matter and informed you to refrain from referring to him as such. OBLIGE the man! Make your point and move on! Stop trying to derail this thread. kamalet, you dont need to recieve advice from me but, hey, just ignore this nonsense. Be the bigger man. I thought that this was a discussion between Kamale and I. Where do you fit in? I don't mind you being Kamales nyapara but let me square the matter with him. LOL! You are funny! Were it a discussion between you and Kamale, it would have been in your personal mailboxes or somewhere other than JUKWAA DISCUSION BOARD. That is how i come in; a jukwaa member contributing to an ongoing discusion. As for "nyapara" am sorry, unfortunately am of the sheng generation ;D and so dont really understand some "deep" swa words gday fellas!
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Post by nalinali on Apr 10, 2012 13:58:39 GMT 3
This thread is a good example of what is wrong with history-starved interlocutors on Jukwaa (this excludes Akinyi, Firaha, , Omwenga). It all makes me believe that OO has, without knowing, stuffed Jukwaa with high school minds totally incapable of informed reflection. I would not mind the level of discourse if the vitriol against jakoyo came from the usual foils ( kamalet, Noway, mwalimkoo, njuguna.. Daniel waweru, etc) on this forum, but this........?? I suppose it would have been OK for Midiwo to go to Iteere and/or Gichangi and whisper into their hearing the insidious intent of some leaders against the person of the PM. had he done so, I can assure you Iteere and co would have come out with details of the alleged plot after a through investigation. Nonsense ! and jakwasanga you are really a disappointment on this. Just read somewhere that even after Jakoyo had had a rendezvous with Bondo police over this matter, a contingent (unknown to Bondo Police) invaded his home. so what if OO chooses to stuff jukwaa with high school minds? Are you questioning his intelligence too? what exactly have i said about midiwo that irks you? AINA Nyar mara, I excluded you from that team of swarming mediocrity yawa!! I thought your informed contribution echoed my thoughts and I said as much. Didn't you see?
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Post by kamalet on Apr 10, 2012 14:52:16 GMT 3
You will never see me talk about people in Jukwaa and their careers unless they declare them (see Omwenga or Miguna) Speaking for myself, I have never "declared" my career. What I recall is some handful of idiots and losers incessantly attacking yours truly including making defamatory statements regarding his professional life before he ever said anything about being a lawyer or what he does for a living. Go back to the archives and you will not find a single post where yours truly ever disclosed anything about his career but he was forced to discuss it when some morons who could not debate him on relevant issues chose to make such an irrelevancy an issue. Omwenga With utmost respect, I know you are involved in internation trade in ICT and previously practised as a lawyer in the US courtesy of what you told us here in Jukwaa (as you rightly say in correcting misconceptions about yourself). Kamale
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Post by nereah on Apr 10, 2012 14:57:39 GMT 3
back in the city with some pleasant news amidst this stunning one: the breaking news is that agwambo's numbers are up, over the requisite 50 per cent mark.now, thats as someone points out, makes him a high value target.
my comment as i settle down, is that i fullly agree with midiwo.
food for thought: when muthaura was busted in the secret recording at his office with some ameru students, guess who had the tape way before hand? Makes Midiwo sound like a natural magnet for info from the underword. ... but I think Nereah you are using the term "bursted" too liberally. If it is along this concept of "bursting" that Midiwo has a story, then the story will be a disappointment. mank ;D let me say that as for now my lips are
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Post by phil on Apr 10, 2012 15:04:30 GMT 3
Gunmen sprayed Director of Public Prosecution Keriako Tobiko's official car on Sunday evening with bullets, soon after he ordered the Police to institute investigations into threats on the life of the Prime Minister.
Tobiko was not in the vehicle when the four gunmen ambushed his official driver and bodyguard along Ngong Road.
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Post by nereah on Apr 10, 2012 15:11:47 GMT 3
nalilali,
nice seeing in jukwaa. nereah here. allow me to thank you very much for doing the most admirable thing: pulling down offensive post (with ad hominem attack on esteemed members here). i have seen dada akinyi ;D was quick to the prick on it.
its my prayers that she will be gracious enough by deleting its quote and in effect expunge it from the jukwaa archive.
shukran
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Post by nalinali on Apr 10, 2012 15:37:47 GMT 3
nalilali, nice seeing in jukwaa. nereah here. allow me to thank you very much for doing the most admirable thing: pulling down offensive post (with ad hominem attack on esteemed members here). i have seen dada akinyi ;D was quick to the prick on it. its my prayers that she will be gracious enough by deleting its quote and in effect expunge it from the jukwaa archive. shukran Nereah I have checked the thread for any offensive post to be pulled out, in vain. It may however be important for me to point out that a large part of of the problem we have in Kenya has everything to do with the "accomodationist" tendencies of the best, that allows routine elevation of partisan, ill-informed and ill-intentioned discourse into an acceptable normative if not aspirational value standard. See where it has gotten the country with the two leading media houses literally sustaining themselves in substituting such discourse for news. The cast referred to above belong to that type and there is no offense in saying so. None whatsoever. may be we should be praising Iteere for doing such a good job on the ICC UK dossier and pray that the PM's assassination matter is expeditiously dealt with in the same manner: Police probe into UK ICC �dossier' flops www.kbc.co.ke/news.asp?nid=75848Written By:Carol Gakii, Posted: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 Police now say they cannot authenticate the origin of an alleged UK dossier seeking the indictment of President Mwai Kibaki over the 2007-2008 post election violence. Police Commissioner Mathew Iteere and the Director of the Criminal Investigation Department Ndegwa Muhoro say that diplomatic immunity and privileges cannot allow them to carry further investigations. Speaking Tuesday when they appeared before Defence and Foreign Relations Committee, the two said they cannot obtain any information from the alleged authors of the document since they are protected under diplomatic immunity. Iteere further told the committee that he has made attempts to interrogate Yatta MP Charles Kilonzo and his Dujis counterpart Aden Duale over the allegations but has failed since they are also protected by the Powers and Privileges Act. The Act protects Mps from prosecution over any documents or statements made on the floor of the house. The two legislators tabled the document in Parliament alleging a plot by the UK to detain international crimes suspects Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto and investigate President Kibaki over the 2007/2008 post-election violence. The document tabled by Yatta MP Charles Kilonzo sparked heated debate across all quarters. The UK government has since dismissed the document as a forgery. UK Minister for Africa Henry Bellingham during his visit to the country last month said the ICC documents were not genuine. He described them as malicious and aimed at destabilising bilateral relations between the two countries and damage the political atmosphere ahead of the General Election.
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Post by mzee on Apr 10, 2012 15:57:36 GMT 3
Gunmen sprayed Director of Public Prosecution Keriako Tobiko's official car on Sunday evening with bullets, soon after he ordered the Police to institute investigations into threats on the life of the Prime Minister. Tobiko was not in the vehicle when the four gunmen ambushed his official driver and bodyguard along Ngong Road. Let those noise makers who were condemning Midiwo to connect the dots. If they cant, then I guess that best the next thing to do is to zip up. These are serious matters that cannot be taken lightly. It looks as if Midiwos revelations are pricking some people the wrong way. Lets all be vigilant for the PEV murderers are still wondering free amongst us.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 10, 2012 16:10:13 GMT 3
Gunmen sprayed Director of Public Prosecution Keriako Tobiko's official car on Sunday evening with bullets, soon after he ordered the Police to institute investigations into threats on the life of the Prime Minister. Tobiko was not in the vehicle when the four gunmen ambushed his official driver and bodyguard along Ngong Road. Let those noise makers who were condemning Midiwo to connect the dots. If they cant, then I guess that best the next thing to do is to zip up. These are serious matters that cannot be taken lightly. It looks as if Midiwos revelations are pricking some people the wrong way. Lets all be vigilant for the PEV murderers are still wondering free amongst us. It can as well be by those who started the rumour in an attempt to give it credence. With so many thugs in our politics, one cannot rule anything out.
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Post by OtishOtish on Apr 10, 2012 16:20:58 GMT 3
Otis,A reliable source tells me Midiwo will be issuing a statement tomorrow let's hope it sheds more light on this issue. Well, did he do what your reliable source said he would do? If so, what did he say?
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Post by nalinali on Apr 10, 2012 16:23:07 GMT 3
Otis,A reliable source tells me Midiwo will be issuing a statement tomorrow let's hope it sheds more light on this issue. Well, did he do what your reliable source said he would do? If so, what did he say? Why on earth do you think the DPP jumped into the fray--to stop Midiwo from ever talking to the press. How ingenious!!
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Post by OtishOtish on Apr 10, 2012 16:25:57 GMT 3
Well, did he do what your reliable source said he would do? If so, what did he say? Why on earth do you think the DPP jumped into the fray--to stop Midiwo from ever talking to the press. How ingenious!! Sorry, I missed something. He stated that Midiwo should be summoned and quizzed. How does that stop him from talking to the press?.And does anyone really think that Iteere would not say something about investigating a plot to assassinate the PM or make no attempt to (at least appear to) investigate?
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Post by OtishOtish on Apr 10, 2012 16:31:30 GMT 3
LOL! You are funny! Were it a discussion between you and Kamale, it would have been in your personal mailboxes or somewhere other than JUKWAA DISCUSION BOARD. That is how i come in; a jukwaa member contributing to an ongoing discusion. As for "nyapara" am sorry, unfortunately am of the sheng generation ;D and so dont really understand some "deep" swa words gday fellas! Going by some of the exchanges now taking place on this thread, it looks like the Midiwo story ran out of steam much faster than I thought it would take.
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Post by akinyi2005 on Apr 10, 2012 17:26:12 GMT 3
so what if OO chooses to stuff jukwaa with high school minds? Are you questioning his intelligence too? what exactly have i said about midiwo that irks you? AINA Nyar mara, I excluded you from that team of swarming mediocrity yawa!! I thought your informed contribution echoed my thoughts and I said as much. Didn't you see? nalinali, a thousand apologies once more. you probably missed my earlier post.
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