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Post by kamalet on Apr 10, 2012 18:34:39 GMT 3
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Post by mzee on Apr 10, 2012 18:43:40 GMT 3
I can't understand why people can't take chill pills and wait for midiwos grilling. This might reveal tons of stuff. Kicking the guy about for no good reason does not make sense.
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Post by bob on Apr 10, 2012 18:48:12 GMT 3
Many guys might not like this Midiwo character including myself because I consider him a loud mouth,but I want to believe this guy stepped into a classroom & definitely knows the implication & consequences of his utterances hence lets give him a chance. What if it turns out to be true,then what? As usual the mbhoys will look for some poor chap and lock him in to excite the public then go mute.
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 10, 2012 19:08:42 GMT 3
First of I can see people struggling with making their day time careers public. I have no problem with declaring my career. I am officially a vinyangarika which means a good for nothing loud mouth. Moi gave us that title when we refused to listen to his nonsense. That career has served me very well. I have no reason to complain.
Secondly expecting the Kenya police to actually carry out an investigation and possibly arrest someone is taking a joke too far. Those fellows cannot investigate a chicken thief if they caught the thief with the live chicken still stuffed in their underwear and the poor chicken is yelling very loudly for help. The cops will say they cannot see the chicken and therefore cannot make any arrests. That is a sick police force.
Just today as someone already posted here, the Commissioner of Police Mr. Iteere and the CID boss told a parliamentary committee investigating that fraudulent piece of rubbish some idiot M.Ps smuggled to parliament that they cannot investigate the fraud because of diplomatic immunities. My eight year old nephew can smoke that forged piece of crap out for what it is within minutes. All one needs is to be able to read. One would expect Iteere to be able to at least read. Obviously Mr. Iteere and company are more interested in protecting the forgers than doing their job. How would any sensible person expect anything for such a police force.
If the cops were ordered to go somewhere and shoot people, that they can do but to expect them to actually unearth crimes that may touch on their godfathers is the height of folly. That will not happen. Remember the drama with Uhuru's spanner boy and ICC cases. Those are just games these people play to pretend to be doing something. bure kabisa.
Oh yeah and they are still investigating those PEV cases. You are right. We have a country run by crooks. We may have to live with those limitations for some time.
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Post by Omwenga on Apr 10, 2012 19:20:04 GMT 3
I can't understand why people can't take chill pills and wait for midiwos grilling. This might reveal tons of stuff. Kicking the guy about for no good reason does not make sense. Mzee,I concur with you 100%. I sometimes get amused when the argument goes like this: Let's hope this is not true but if it is, then... 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10....and on and on. It's not even a slippery slope argument. It's simply an argument intended to exploit and inflict maximum damage, otherwise when will there be another opportunity for a perfect lay-up as in when someone does something like Midiwo has that he really can't explain publicly yet and let's not fool ourselves about who else knows or doesn't know what it is. Put another way, there are certain things even a brainless person cannot do such as stepping on their own toes or sitting cross-legged on top of a chair; some may do it if flexible enough, others may never.
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Post by Omwenga on Apr 10, 2012 19:26:59 GMT 3
Many guys might not like this Midiwo character including myself because I consider him a loud mouth,but I want to believe this guy stepped into a classroom & definitely knows the implication & consequences of his utterances hence lets give him a chance. What if it turns out to be true,then what? As usual the mbhoys will look for some poor chap and lock him in to excite the public then go mute. Bob,Agree with you 100% as well. You have articulated something I was trying to but not sure I did in my response to Mzee and that is, there are limits beyond which everyone cannot go and let's be frank, people may have a myriad of weaknesses but ability to distinguish between right and wrong is sometimes a matter of intuition and not even intelligence or education or smartness. Even a fool can tell when it's not appropriate to act foolishly and that is just the other extreme; we are here talking about educated people who may payuka here and there but certainly know the how over the roof and therefore seriously problematic payukaring of this nature can be. I doubt there is anyone foolish enough not to know that.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 10, 2012 19:44:10 GMT 3
AND THE SAGA CONTINUES!!!
The legislators Ayiecho Olweny (Muhoroni), Pollyns Daima (Nyakach), Fred Outa (Nyando) and Shakeel Shabbir (Kisumu Town East) addressed a press conference at a Kisumu hotel where they
Olweny said that since Midiwo has agreed to record a statement with the police today there is no need to harass him.
Director of Public Prosecutions Tobiko Keriako yesterday has ordered the police to investigate Midiwo's claims.
In a letter to the Commissioner of Police Mathew Iteere and copied to the Director of CID Ndegwa Muhoro,
Tobiko warned that the gravity and magnitude of the allegations made by the MP cannot be overemphasized, “particularly during this period when the country is preparing for the next general election”.
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Post by reporter911 on Apr 10, 2012 19:51:44 GMT 3
TODAYS HEADLINES
Gem MP Jakoyo Midiwo has spent the entire afternoon recording a statement at the CID headquarters over his claims that there is a plot to assassinate the prime minister. He was accompanied by several MPs among them ministers James Orengo and Anyang Nyongo.
THE TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE!! (but in Kenya what exactly is the truth? most assassination cases and plots have never been solved)
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 10, 2012 21:14:57 GMT 3
so what if OO chooses to stuff jukwaa with high school minds? Are you questioning his intelligence too? what exactly have i said about midiwo that irks you? AINA Nyar mara, I excluded you from that team of swarming mediocrity yawa!! I thought your informed contribution echoed my thoughts and I said as much. Didn't you see? ~ Nalinali, (Ai yawa nyathi jomoko!) I followed with shock the inability of some members of your select class of elite rocket scientists, to decipher the abc praise prose you winged their ways! Okay, Omwenga gets a pass first attempt! but all the heisa has left me feeling very comfortable and confident at my high school ceiling/limit! See, I aint dissappointing you now!
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Post by marikopolitico on Apr 10, 2012 21:25:27 GMT 3
If I had a penny for every time I heard some crackpot politician claim 'They are out to finish me' Id be a billionaire seven times over.
This is little more than a cheap publicity stunt by Midiwo. For the most part its great for popularity ratings.Nothing like a would be martyr to attract popularity.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 10, 2012 21:54:27 GMT 3
This is what reckless utterances can lead to . Suffice to say ODM and ODM hawks are trying to play the tension card they played in 2007 . Kenyans are now more vigilant and with institutions in place to check such type of utterances and "reckless political play" I believe they will not pass by. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Reports+of+tension+over+Raila+murder+plot/-/1064/1383658/-/item/0/-/f71x1r/-/index.htmlNCIC: Reports of tension over Raila murder plot Share Bookmark Print Email Email this article to a friend Friend's Email Address Your Email Message Submit Cancel Rating National Cohesion and Integration Commission (NCIC) chairman Mzalendo Kibunjia said April 10, 2012 that there were credible reports of tension between the Luo and Kisii communities in Kisumu following allegations of a plot to kill Prime Minister Raila Odinga. FILE National Cohesion and Integration Commission (NCIC) chairman Mzalendo Kibunjia said April 10, 2012 that there were credible reports of tension between the Luo and Kisii communities in Kisumu following allegations of a plot to kill Prime Minister Raila Odinga. FILE By BENJAMIN MUINDI, bmuindi@ke.nationmedia.com Posted Tuesday, April 10 2012 at 17:14 Kenya's cohesion body has said there are credible reports of tension between the Luo and Kisii communities in Kisumu following allegations of a plot to kill Prime Minister Raila Odinga. National Cohesion and Integration Commission (NCIC) chairman Mzalendo Kibunjia Tuesday censored Gem MP Jakoyo Midiwo for making remarks over an alleged plot to assassinate Mr Odinga in public. “Mr Midiwo should have reported the matter to the police and allowed them to investigate to its logical conclusion,” Mr Kibunjia said at during a news conference in Nairobi. “The Commission has received credible reports regarding tensions mounting between the Luo and Kisii communities following the statement made by Mr Midiwo.” On Saturday, Mr Midiwo alleged mercenaries had been hired to execute the plot saying senior government officials he did not name were in the loop. On Monday, Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) directed the police to open investigations into the sensational claims. In a letter to Commissioner Mathew Iteere, DPP Keriako Tobiko directed the police to interrogate and record statements from Mr Midiwo and Foreign Affairs minister Sam Ongeri. "The gravity and magnitude of the allegations by Hon Modiwo, particularly during this period when the country is preparing for the next general election, cannot be over-emphasised. Share This Story Share "These allegations therefore require a prompt, thorough and speedy investigation to establish their veracity or otherwise," said the letter. The NCIC chairman said Mr Midiwo's allegations were grave. “The statement by Mr Midiwo whether true or not is of a serious nature and serious attention needs to be given to it,” Mr Kibunjia said. But he urged the two communities not to be drawn into a war that was not theirs and that they should exist peacefully and put their country first. The Commission, he said, has written a notice to the MP requiring him to keep peace and guard against language likely to inflame communal tension. “Leaders need to be alive to the fact that statements they make can inflame passions, incite and cause tension and even violent conflicts between ethnic communities.” He added that the he had alerted the police to watch out “for further utterances on the matter that would further serve to interfere with the cohesion of this country.” “The two principals also have a duty to continue holding the country together as they have done in the last four years.” Mr Kibunjia said this responsibility is greater now more than ever "considering that our politics are tribal, regional and that ethnic interest not ideologies drive Kenyan campaigns”. “We are coming out very strongly because it is our determination to break the jinx of violence in the General Election.”
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Post by OtishOtish on Apr 10, 2012 22:15:57 GMT 3
Agree with you 100% as well. You have articulated something I was trying to but not sure I did in my response to Mzee and that is, there are limits beyond which everyone cannot go and let's be frank, people may have a myriad of weaknesses but ability to distinguish between right and wrong is sometimes a matter of intuition and not even intelligence or education or smartness.Even a fool can tell when it's not appropriate to act foolishly and that is just the other extreme; we are here talking about educated people who may payuka here and there but certainly know the how over the roof and therefore seriously problematic payukaring of this nature can be. Wow. Do you really believe all this? Look at the world around you (especially the world of politicians) and see if it applies. No, actually forget the world; just apply it to the MPs in today's parliament (i.e. Midiwo's colleagues). People do wrong only because they can't tell wrong vs. right? Educated people do not talk like this or behave like that? ... Intuition? ....
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Apr 10, 2012 22:17:21 GMT 3
Obviously former policemen like Kamale see nothing wrong with the rotten force. Mzee:Unless you can table DOCUMENTARY PROOF and VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that Jukwaa member Kamale is or was a serving member of the Kenya Police Force, you will either withdraw your remarks above or desist from making similar claims in the future. This goes for other members, including myself who once uttered comment with the same effect. We do get carried away during our heated exchanges sometimes... Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator
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Post by OtishOtish on Apr 10, 2012 22:20:22 GMT 3
First of I can see people struggling with making their day time careers public. I have no problem with declaring my career. I am officially a vinyangarika which means a good for nothing loud mouth. Moi gave us that title when we refused to listen to his nonsense. That career has served me very well. I have no reason to complain. Secondly expecting the Kenya police to actually carry out an investigation and possibly arrest someone is taking a joke too far. Those fellows cannot investigate a chicken thief if they caught the thief with the live chicken still stuffed in their underwear and the poor chicken is yelling very loudly for help. The cops will say they cannot see the chicken and therefore cannot make any arrests. That is a sick police force. Just today as someone already posted here, the Commissioner of Police Mr. Iteere and the CID boss told a parliamentary committee investigating that fraudulent piece of rubbish some idiot M.Ps smuggled to parliament that they cannot investigate the fraud because of diplomatic immunities. My eight year old nephew can smoke that forged piece of crap out for what it is within minutes. All one needs is to be able to read. One would expect Iteere to be able to at least read. Obviously Mr. Iteere and company are more interested in protecting the forgers than doing their job. How would any sensible person expect anything for such a police force. If the cops were ordered to go somewhere and shoot people, that they can do but to expect them to actually unearth crimes that may touch on their godfathers is the height of folly. That will not happen. Remember the drama with Uhuru's spanner boy and ICC cases. Those are just games these people play to pretend to be doing something. bure kabisa. Oh yeah and they are still investigating those PEV cases. You are right. We have a country run by crooks. We may have to live with those limitations for some time. Adongo: Here is how this will end: a) The cops will say they haven't found any evidence of anything. b) Midiwo will maintain his claim that his information is reliable. Then people will start asking, "what now/what next"?. Let's see what Raila does if he believes his life is in danger and his security detail is of no help.
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 10, 2012 23:42:47 GMT 3
First of I can see people struggling with making their day time careers public. I have no problem with declaring my career. I am officially a vinyangarika which means a good for nothing loud mouth. Moi gave us that title when we refused to listen to his nonsense. That career has served me very well. I have no reason to complain. Secondly expecting the Kenya police to actually carry out an investigation and possibly arrest someone is taking a joke too far. Those fellows cannot investigate a chicken thief if they caught the thief with the live chicken still stuffed in their underwear and the poor chicken is yelling very loudly for help. The cops will say they cannot see the chicken and therefore cannot make any arrests. That is a sick police force. Just today as someone already posted here, the Commissioner of Police Mr. Iteere and the CID boss told a parliamentary committee investigating that fraudulent piece of rubbish some idiot M.Ps smuggled to parliament that they cannot investigate the fraud because of diplomatic immunities. My eight year old nephew can smoke that forged piece of crap out for what it is within minutes. All one needs is to be able to read. One would expect Iteere to be able to at least read. Obviously Mr. Iteere and company are more interested in protecting the forgers than doing their job. How would any sensible person expect anything for such a police force. If the cops were ordered to go somewhere and shoot people, that they can do but to expect them to actually unearth crimes that may touch on their godfathers is the height of folly. That will not happen. Remember the drama with Uhuru's spanner boy and ICC cases. Those are just games these people play to pretend to be doing something. bure kabisa. Oh yeah and they are still investigating those PEV cases. You are right. We have a country run by crooks. We may have to live with those limitations for some time. Adongo: Here is how this will end: a) The cops will say they haven't found any evidence of anything. b) Midiwo will maintain his claim that his information is reliable. Then people will start asking, "what now/what next"?. Let's see what Raila does if he believes his life is in danger and his security detail is of no help. The cops are not investigating to find any possible crimes being planned. They are "investigating" to find out that nothing like that is happening. Just look at the forgery circus and the case of spanner boys interfering with the ICC witnesses. In the forgery case none other than the Commissioner of Police is actually lying to the public. Why? Because that is his real job, namely to protect criminals in big offices. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000056010&cid=4&ttl=Police%20discover%20anomalies%20in%20alleged%20Britain-ICC%20dossiersSo nothing can be expected to come out of this. If Raila's life is in danger that is his business and I am sure he knows that very well. Look at the Kibunja fellow, making up stories about tensions in Nyanza between Luos and Kisiis. When was Kibunja in Kisumu? He has not been there. Who is giving Kibunja such information? Nobody he is just cooking it on the run. Does Kibunja even have investigators on the ground anywhere in Kenya? Nope. So why make up such dangerous lies? Because that is how we do things in Kenya. Why else would we have more than 1300 dead during the PEV and not a single arrest of anybody significant made and certainly no convictions. We live in a country where law and order is a bad romour. Police make big scenes when they shoot bank robbers and suspects but that is about it. Raila's security is his problem. You will not hear about this case again. They took the interview or "grilling" with Jakoyo Midiwo, end of story.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 11, 2012 0:37:22 GMT 3
Adongo: Here is how this will end: a) The cops will say they haven't found any evidence of anything. b) Midiwo will maintain his claim that his information is reliable. Then people will start asking, "what now/what next"?. Let's see what Raila does if he believes his life is in danger and his security detail is of no help. The cops are not investigating to find any possible crimes being planned. They are "investigating" to find out that nothing like that is happening. Just look at the forgery circus and the case of spanner boys interfering with the ICC witnesses. In the forgery case none other than the Commissioner of Police is actually lying to the public. Why? Because that is his real job, namely to protect criminals in big offices. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000056010&cid=4&ttl=Police%20discover%20anomalies%20in%20alleged%20Britain-ICC%20dossiersSo nothing can be expected to come out of this. If Raila's life is in danger that is his business and I am sure he knows that very well. Look at the Kibunja fellow, making up stories about tensions in Nyanza between Luos and Kisiis. When was Kibunja in Kisumu? He has not been there. Who is giving Kibunja such information? Nobody he is just cooking it on the run. Does Kibunja even have investigators on the ground anywhere in Kenya? Nope. So why make up such dangerous lies? Because that is how we do things in Kenya. Why else would we have more than 1300 dead during the PEV and not a single arrest of anybody significant made and certainly no convictions. We live in a country where law and order is a bad romour. Police make big scenes when they shoot bank robbers and suspects but that is about it. Raila's security is his problem. You will not hear about this case again. They took the interview or "grilling" with Jakoyo Midiwo, end of story. Now that we are in agreement that, this was nothing but attention seeking and that the police will do nothing with such information, I think we need to move to other things of importance including working for Kenyans, at least for once. Midiwo and Raila have had their few moments of 'fame' after they hijacked somebody else's funeral to seek attention for themselves in total disregard of what took them to that humble home in Bondo on that tearful afternoon. If it was about drowning Mudavadi's voice as they sought to register the party through the back door, they have achieved it. We should now move on instead of continuing to cause tension among peace loving Kenyans.
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Post by Omwenga on Apr 11, 2012 1:09:41 GMT 3
This is what reckless utterances can lead to . Suffice to say ODM and ODM hawks are trying to play the tension card they played in 2007 . Kenyans are now more vigilant and with institutions in place to check such type of utterances and "reckless political play" I believe they will not pass by. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Reports+of+tension+over+Raila+murder+plot/-/1064/1383658/-/item/0/-/f71x1r/-/index.htmlNCIC: Reports of tension over Raila murder plot Share Bookmark Print Email Email this article to a friend Friend's Email Address Your Email Message Submit Cancel Rating National Cohesion and Integration Commission (NCIC) chairman Mzalendo Kibunjia said April 10, 2012 that there were credible reports of tension between the Luo and Kisii communities in Kisumu following allegations of a plot to kill Prime Minister Raila Odinga. FILE National Cohesion and Integration Commission (NCIC) chairman Mzalendo Kibunjia said April 10, 2012 that there were credible reports of tension between the Luo and Kisii communities in Kisumu following allegations of a plot to kill Prime Minister Raila Odinga. FILE By BENJAMIN MUINDI, bmuindi@ke.nationmedia.com Posted Tuesday, April 10 2012 at 17:14 Kenya's cohesion body has said there are credible reports of tension between the Luo and Kisii communities in Kisumu following allegations of a plot to kill Prime Minister Raila Odinga. National Cohesion and Integration Commission (NCIC) chairman Mzalendo Kibunjia Tuesday censored Gem MP Jakoyo Midiwo for making remarks over an alleged plot to assassinate Mr Odinga in public. “Mr Midiwo should have reported the matter to the police and allowed them to investigate to its logical conclusion,” Mr Kibunjia said at during a news conference in Nairobi. “The Commission has received credible reports regarding tensions mounting between the Luo and Kisii communities following the statement made by Mr Midiwo.” On Saturday, Mr Midiwo alleged mercenaries had been hired to execute the plot saying senior government officials he did not name were in the loop. On Monday, Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) directed the police to open investigations into the sensational claims. In a letter to Commissioner Mathew Iteere, DPP Keriako Tobiko directed the police to interrogate and record statements from Mr Midiwo and Foreign Affairs minister Sam Ongeri. "The gravity and magnitude of the allegations by Hon Modiwo, particularly during this period when the country is preparing for the next general election, cannot be over-emphasised. Share This Story Share "These allegations therefore require a prompt, thorough and speedy investigation to establish their veracity or otherwise," said the letter. The NCIC chairman said Mr Midiwo's allegations were grave. “The statement by Mr Midiwo whether true or not is of a serious nature and serious attention needs to be given to it,” Mr Kibunjia said. But he urged the two communities not to be drawn into a war that was not theirs and that they should exist peacefully and put their country first. The Commission, he said, has written a notice to the MP requiring him to keep peace and guard against language likely to inflame communal tension. “Leaders need to be alive to the fact that statements they make can inflame passions, incite and cause tension and even violent conflicts between ethnic communities.” He added that the he had alerted the police to watch out “for further utterances on the matter that would further serve to interfere with the cohesion of this country.” “The two principals also have a duty to continue holding the country together as they have done in the last four years.” Mr Kibunjia said this responsibility is greater now more than ever "considering that our politics are tribal, regional and that ethnic interest not ideologies drive Kenyan campaigns”. “We are coming out very strongly because it is our determination to break the jinx of violence in the General Election.” In Uhuru and Ruto Are Sowing Seeds of Discord and Laying Ground For Second PEV, omwenga.com/2012/02/01/uhuru-and-ruto-are-sowing-seeds-of-discord-and-laying-ground-for-pev-unless-stopped/, I reported on very disturbing turn of events at a rally held by Uhuru and Ruto at 64 Stadium, Eldoret. The reporting was accurate in rising the alarm the so-called prayer rallies were after-all not what they were billed to be; they were and to the extent they still are nothing but a sowing of seeds of discord, if not worse. In that blog, I noted the following about the rally: Several things can be said about this grim turn of events. First, Kenyans must simply not allow these characters to once again put the country on a path to election violence. Second, the president must come clean on his stand regarding this clear insinuation that he is an accomplice to this raving up of tribal animosity and hate by two individuals pitting their respective communities against the rest of the country. Third, it is amazingly shocking Mzalendo Kibunjia and NCIC has been completely mute on this obviously actionable hate speech spewed at 64 Stadium. Unless Kibunjia is already acting on this in some form or fashion behind the scenes, which is doubtful, given the gravity of this matter, someone should shake Kibunjia, wake him up and promptly tell him he is sacked and the whole NCIC dismantled; what is its use if it cannot address this very egregious violation of the law the body is charged with the responsibility to enforce in order to prevent a recurrence of PEV?Fourth, the Supreme Court should take up the question of whether or not our constitution and laws of Kenya bar any of the ICC suspects from seeking the presidency and the Court should do so with extreme urgency because any delay will accord this characters more time to continue the dangerous path they are on relative to peace and harmony in the country. Fifth, the mindless dragging of President Barrack Obama’s name into these reckless political schemes cannot be without legal or political implication, let alone the daring of peace loving nations as insinuated in these speeches. Sixth, the Kenya media must do a better job in exposing what is going on here. When people flagrantly lie that the prime minister is responsible for these suspects to be at the Hague when everyone knows that to be false, the media has the ethical and professional responsibility to point that out. Seventh, we cannot be where we are today in terms of reform but for the convergence of like minded interests and none other than the CSOs have been key and central in the relentless push for reforms and one from its ranks now sits at the highest court of the land as its head. Do these characters not care about that fact or are they convinced we are still living in the past where law or facts mattered not one bit in the eyes of the masters of impunity? Finally, but not least, Uhuru and Ruto should step back for a moment and answer the question, is stopping Raila from becoming president worth shedding the blood, let alone death of a single person? Is their ambition to take the presidency one they are willing to pursue regardless of how their quest further divides the country? Do the people of Kenya beyond their respective tribes mean anything to them or are they in their minds idiots they need only scheme their way to State House and rule regardless of what divisive and backward manner they gain the presidency? Of what good is it to seek a presidency to govern a country up in arms or flames or simply in total chaos? Does Ivory Coast, Libya, Egypt, Syria and what has happened with their leaders mean anything to them or are they so naïve as to believe Kenyans and the rest of the civilized world, for that matter, would accept or stand by and watch as they incite or pursue the presidency as if it’s a matter of birthright? These are questions Uhuru, Ruto and those cheering them on must ask themselves, answer and act accordingly. Regardless of whether or not they do so, the president owes the nation handing over to the next president, a presidency under a climate that at least demonstrates that all the blood that was shed in 2007-2008; all the property that was stolen, taken over or burnt in 2007-2008, all the displacement of people from their homes that occurred in 2007-2008, all the rapes that occurred in the same period and the deaths that topped it was nothing even a fraction of our country should ever see again; not under his watch and not ever. His failure to do so would not only be an unbelievable letdown of Kenyans and complete evisceration of goodwill they have given him, even notwithstanding what happened in the 2007 elections and its aftermath, it will seal his legacy in a manner no one wishes to be remembered in history. Some say Kibaki doesn’t care about his legacy, others including this writer beg to differ and hope they are not wrong for in the end, what Kibaki does will impact how the next elections are conducted and concluded. The alternative is for the people themselves to override him and anyone else who still believes they hold sway over public anger and resentment for being taken for granted and abused at will. Let those who care about our country pray that Kibaki does the right thing and may it be so according to God’s will. End quote. Kibunjia suddenly now appears making this assertion which is clearly alarmist and as someone who is in touch with folks in Kisumu told me upon hearing this story that they are surprised at what Kibunjia said, isn't this a wholly wanting utterance crying for an investigation of its own? Forget about what my friend is saying, this is what the Standard is also reporting, www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000056008&cid=4&: However Kibunjia’s allegations of rising tension were dismissed by a section of Kisumu residents, terming them alarming. Nyanza Provincial Criminal Investigations Officer Joseph Magwanja said police had not received any report of tension. “We are not aware of that, and there is no indication at all in the town. The situation is normal here in Kisumu,” he said. Jakoyo, who spent two hours at the CID headquarters, denied linking Foreign Affairs Minister Sam Ongeri to the assassination plot, arguing he had only challenged him to clarify some issues. “Prof Ongeri is trying to invite himself to the whole issue. I don’t remember linking him to the same. All I asked him was to clarify some part of the plot,” he said, and dared the minister to sue him. He said he asked Ongeri to investigate the alleged involvement of foreign individuals in the plot. ... We really must pray for our country and if there is a time we ever needed statesmen, wise men and women, its dawn is here.
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Post by johns on Apr 11, 2012 1:15:55 GMT 3
There was a time when Jukwaa used to pride itself as being a forum where intellectual and meaningful discussions would be debated to the satisfaction of all and where people would disagree on issues based on their convictions.
How do you have a country that has people like @ Mwalimumkuu in it and expect to have a normal thriving country filled with people of thought? It is mindboggling to know that Kenya has people like this with such a narrow mind and yet cheat themselves that they are intelligent. It is yet a testimony that Moi did not stay in power for 24 years for nothing.
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 11, 2012 1:53:16 GMT 3
The cops are not investigating to find any possible crimes being planned. They are "investigating" to find out that nothing like that is happening. Just look at the forgery circus and the case of spanner boys interfering with the ICC witnesses. In the forgery case none other than the Commissioner of Police is actually lying to the public. Why? Because that is his real job, namely to protect criminals in big offices. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000056010&cid=4&ttl=Police%20discover%20anomalies%20in%20alleged%20Britain-ICC%20dossiersSo nothing can be expected to come out of this. If Raila's life is in danger that is his business and I am sure he knows that very well. Look at the Kibunja fellow, making up stories about tensions in Nyanza between Luos and Kisiis. When was Kibunja in Kisumu? He has not been there. Who is giving Kibunja such information? Nobody he is just cooking it on the run. Does Kibunja even have investigators on the ground anywhere in Kenya? Nope. So why make up such dangerous lies? Because that is how we do things in Kenya. Why else would we have more than 1300 dead during the PEV and not a single arrest of anybody significant made and certainly no convictions. We live in a country where law and order is a bad romour. Police make big scenes when they shoot bank robbers and suspects but that is about it. Raila's security is his problem. You will not hear about this case again. They took the interview or "grilling" with Jakoyo Midiwo, end of story. Now that we are in agreement that, this was nothing but attention seeking and that the police will do nothing with such information, I think we need to move to other things of importance including working for Kenyans, at least for once. Midiwo and Raila have had their few moments of 'fame' after they hijacked somebody else's funeral to seek attention for themselves in total disregard of what took them to that humble home in Bondo on that tearful afternoon. If it was about drowning Mudavadi's voice as they sought to register the party through the back door, they have achieved it. We should now move on instead of continuing to cause tension among peace loving Kenyans. mwalimumkuuYou obviously didn't get my point. Sometimes you have to read between the lines. The Kenya police are not investigating anything. In Kenya the first duty of the top police officers is to protect the criminals in power. That is why I was giving the obvious example of the failed forgery tricks which flopped in parliament. Today the Commissioner of Police himself had to lie before a parliamentary committee to protect the criminals behind the move. It is insane for a Commissioner of Police no less telling the public he cannot verify one way or the other if a document purported to be exposing the plot to arrest the president of Kenya and have him locked up is legit or the work of a bunch of criminals up to no good. Assume for a second that such documents were legit, how would the Chiefs of Police say they cannot figure that out which means they have no capacity to protect the president of the Republic of Kenya. What all these tells you is that the Police Chief knows the truth. He knows the garbage was peddled by treasonable criminal elements out to wreck peace in the country but their first duty is to protect those elements and for that they will go to any length. Just based on that alone it would be foolish to expect that such a compromised police force would do anything other than what State House and the criminals in power want them to do. So if indeed there was a plot to kill Raila, Midiwo has already done his job using his loud mouth. That is good enough. Fore warned is fore armed. Midiwo today said he gave names and any other evidence he has. We don't know the facts but we have all the evidence we need to know that even if such evidence is credible our police force is incapable of doing their job. That is exactly why four years after the fact 1,300 Kenyans are dead and not a single soul has been held accountable. These were deaths we watched live on TV and happened with the whole country and the world watching and furious. If they can't give justice to the thousands of victims why would plots to kill the one person they hate the most bother them. I think some of you guys are too obsessed with Mudavadi. That is a dead issue. From the last polls we saw Raila is the front runner in just about every aspect of the presidential race. He beats everybody hands down. Why would he need some cheap fame? This was after the wailing by the G7 groupies on how Raila was finished and ODM dead as a dodo. Raila is sitting very good with ODM. Imagine the terror that will inflict on some come December and the man is a head with some heads about to roll at The Hague. If you think this is a nightmare wait till it comes down. That is why I say ruling out the possiblity that mischief makers may try to do anything to stop their worst nightmare is to hide our heads in the sand. We are better than that. We have seen what the same people did stop Raila before. It left over 1,300 dead. Tens of thousands of Kenyan women raped. Over 650,000 displaced and our country in tatters. If they did that then, who says they can't do worse things the next time. Do we need Jakoyo Midiwo to give us that evidence? I don't think so. The country has seen what these criminals can do. Whatever they will do next will not surprise anybody.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 11, 2012 3:06:24 GMT 3
Now that we are in agreement that, this was nothing but attention seeking and that the police will do nothing with such information, I think we need to move to other things of importance including working for Kenyans, at least for once. Midiwo and Raila have had their few moments of 'fame' after they hijacked somebody else's funeral to seek attention for themselves in total disregard of what took them to that humble home in Bondo on that tearful afternoon. If it was about drowning Mudavadi's voice as they sought to register the party through the back door, they have achieved it. We should now move on instead of continuing to cause tension among peace loving Kenyans. mwalimumkuuYou obviously didn't get my point. Sometimes you have to read between the lines. The Kenya police are not investigating anything. In Kenya the first duty of the top police officers is to protect the criminals in power. That is why I was giving the obvious example of the failed forgery tricks which flopped in parliament. Today the Commissioner of Police himself had to lie before a parliamentary committee to protect the criminals behind the move. It is insane for a Commissioner of Police no less telling the public he cannot verify one way or the other if a document purported to be exposing the plot to arrest the president of Kenya and have him locked up is legit or the work of a bunch of criminals up to no good. Assume for a second that such documents were legit, how would the Chiefs of Police say they cannot figure that out which means they have no capacity to protect the president of the Republic of Kenya. What all these tells you is that the Police Chief knows the truth. He knows the garbage was peddled by treasonable criminal elements out to wreck peace in the country but their first duty is to protect those elements and for that they will go to any length. Just based on that alone it would be foolish to expect that such a compromised police force would do anything other than what State House and the criminals in power want them to do. So if indeed there was a plot to kill Raila, Midiwo has already done his job using his loud mouth. That is good enough. Fore warned is fore armed. Midiwo today said he gave names and any other evidence he has. We don't know the facts but we have all the evidence we need to know that even if such evidence is credible our police force is incapable of doing their job. That is exactly why four years after the fact 1,300 Kenyans are dead and not a single soul has been held accountable. These were deaths we watched live on TV and happened with the whole country and the world watching and furious. If they can't give justice to the thousands of victims why would plots to kill the one person they hate the most bother them. I think some of you guys are too obsessed with Mudavadi. That is a dead issue. From the last polls we saw Raila is the front runner in just about every aspect of the presidential race. He beats everybody hands down. Why would he need some cheap fame? This was after the wailing by the G7 groupies on how Raila was finished and ODM dead as a dodo. Raila is sitting very good with ODM. Imagine the terror that will inflict on some come December and the man is a head with some heads about to roll at The Hague. If you think this is a nightmare wait till it comes down. That is why I say ruling out the possiblity that mischief makers may try to do anything to stop their worst nightmare is to hide our heads in the sand. We are better than that. We have seen what the same people did stop Raila before. It left over 1,300 dead. Tens of thousands of Kenyan women raped. Over 650,000 displaced and our country in tatters. If they did that then, who says they can't do worse things the next time. Do we need Jakoyo Midiwo to give us that evidence? I don't think so. The country has seen what these criminals can do. Whatever they will do next will not surprise anybody. Adongo, Reading through your posts and the likes of MwalimuMkuu, Otis and Kamale - It is evident your are on the same page - That Midiwos was a political ploy which wasnt thought about thoroughly especially on the implications before it was unleashed. MwalimuMkuu suggestion is we now need to move on from this circus and get back to issue oriented politics and to add to that you will have realized the assassination plots against Raila always pop up whenever something has taken the public by storm - e.g. on this link when Ocampo named the OCAMPO6 and you will realize Railas supporters always argue on the same line , If you can recall 2002 , 2005,2007,2008,2011 and now 2012 sample the thread below It might have worked in 2002 to get sympathy votes but Kenyans are intelligent enough not to fall for the same trick twice. jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5017By claiming that Ongeri from Kisii is amongst the politicians who is plotting to assassinate Raila not only is ODM alienating the the Kisii votes but also causing tension which can lead to mayhem witnessed in 2007 (Remember the Chinkororo and Ruto clash - and what followed ?)
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Post by tnk on Apr 11, 2012 3:24:51 GMT 3
we can see this from very many angles, conspiracy theories, delivery methods etc etc.
but lets not pretend that the realities are very frightening
the only way to prove that this is not some ploy or game or politics or what not is when we have to visit the morgue
that is not an option
in this regard, midiwo is justified to use any means necessary to avert such an option. it is the responsible thing to do. all else, particularly if it were to turn tragic, would otherwise show gross irresponsibility on a very grave matter.
i would be interested in knowing how many here have had their lives threatened directly or their close ones, and the process/means they used to ensure their safety as well as the specific circumstances.
anyway i hope this topic gets closed soon i cant see anymore useful input
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Post by OtishOtish on Apr 11, 2012 4:05:08 GMT 3
in this regard, midiwo is justified to use any means necessary to avert such an option. People gather to mourned their departed loved one, to reflect on his life and his contributions, to hear goodbyes from those who knew him. Instead, the event gets hijacked, in a thoroughly distasteful [/u] manner. If I were one of the bereaved, I would be extremely angry about it. Next time he wishes to go public, he should consider a press conference or some other event I fail to see exactly what has been averted (and how) by Midiwo's stunt. I am no expert on such matters, but I consider that the best way to avert an assassination attempt is to identify those involved in the plot and apprehend them, or, if that is not possible, to improve the security around the target. Merely shouting about it does not strike as being particularly helpful, unless the public is expected to apprehend the assassins or provide extra security. Below is a sample of what we had the last time such an assassination plot was made public. I leave it to you to make up your own mind about heavily armed assassins who attack without causing any injury, are very polite and have a nice little chat with their target, take money, and are then on their way home to their families, after making a request that they not be shot. This is reported by a lady who doesn't trust Government security but then goes ahead and gets the same from an OCPD (who is cited for "good co-operation"), forgets that she had private security and is then attacked after the police leave. Mrs. Odhiambo-Mabona: Mr. Speaker, Sir, on 19th February, 2011, I was travelling to Suba where my father was born to undertake development activities related to girls. I was accompanied by an Assistant Commissioner for the National Cohesion and Integration Commission, Ms. Mary and members of the CRADLE children foundation and private security because I did not trust Government security.
On my way, I got further information that there were two Israelis of Artur Magaryan type that had come to this country and had met in a residence that I would not indicate now. The two Israelis whose names are Thomas and Paul, and whose telephone numbers I later received, were given instructions to eliminate the Prime Minister, the Speaker, hon. Odhiambo-Mabona, hon. Ababu Namwamba and hon. Olago.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, when I got this information, I did not take it lightly. I reported the matter to Mbita Police Station. When I reported the matter to Mbita Police Station, I got very good co-operation from the OCPD, Mrs. Cherono Githinji. She actually gave me personal protection. She gave me a Land Rover full of police officers who were with me throughout my stay in Mbita. At about 11.00 p.m., as soon as the police left me, I was attacked by six men who were carrying AK47 rifles, pistols and swords.[/b] Those people were not locals for various reasons. First, they spoke very good English. In fact, they spoke superior English. They also spoke very good Kiswahili. Suba people do not have a good command of Kiswahili. It is a well known fact! Mr. Speaker, Sir, one of the surprising things is that when those guys were attacking us, they were very courteous, especially the leader. The leader was very apologetic. He told us that he was very sorry that he had to do that; it was not his wish; he is born of women just like me, and the woman I was with. He told us to relax. They were only doing their duty. They also gave us a message to Mr. Ojode. They told us to tell him not to ask that they be shot because they were not going to kill us. They should not be shot. So, I want to give that message to Mr. Ojode. The colleagues who were with me were there. Mr. Speaker, Sir, it did not escape my notice that they were treating me very specially. The leader insisted that I do not identify myself; they did not take my phones. They did not steal from me except my money. They were courteous and they returned my bag. In this country, when other hon. Members have raised issues of their security, or when issues have been raised and they have not been said loudly, people have died. Mr. J.M. Kariuki died! Dr. Ouko died! Mr. Mboya died! For Mrs. Odhiambo-Mabona, I am not dying without telling the world that people want to kill me. I will not be quiet; I will not be intimidated and I will stand for justice.[/i]
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Post by tnk on Apr 11, 2012 4:42:52 GMT 3
People gather to mourned their departed loved one, to reflect on his life and his contributions, to hear goodbyes from those who knew him. Instead, the event gets hijacked, in a thoroughly distasteful [/u] manner. If I were one of the bereaved, I would be extremely angry about it. Next time he wishes to public, he should consider a press conference or some other event [/quote] you are reacting to media delivery. it appears that you think that midiwo was the keynote speaker but looking at the cast, i dont think so. we've all been to these events, every speaker that gets invited has their slot. if at all there is a poor choice, then it is by those that elected to have him speak at the occasion the media on their part brought us (highlighted) a (juicy) story they can quickly sell (catch attention), am sure the other speakers did their part. on my part i assume nothing, but i doubt that he was the key guest speaker. anyway, if you have an event and you invite and give a politician a mic, you will get politics. I fail to see exactly what has been averted (and how) by Midiwo's stunt. I am no expert on such matters, but I consider that the best way to avert an assassination attempt is to identify those involved in the plot and apprehend them, or, if that is not possible, to improve the security around the target. Merely shouting about it does not strike as being particularly helpful, unless the public is expected to apprehend the assassins or provide extra security. his was to inform the public, and also set the ball rolling. whether he did so with the PM privately before or after, thats his problem with the PM and his security detail. its also clear that you underestimate the dangers or methods of assassins as well as the effect of exposure. regardless, you are definitely unimpressed by his delivery (i.e platform, timing, method, style, venue, etc), that unfortunately is based on personal prejudices or preferences as it were, there are those who will concur, those who think otherwise and those who dont really care about the style but the message. i belong to the tail end of that last statement Below is a sample of what we had the last time such an assassination plot was made public. ........ this part i leave for another day
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Post by OtishOtish on Apr 11, 2012 4:57:36 GMT 3
you are reacting to media delivery. it appears that you think that midiwo was the key note speaker but looking at the cast, i dont think so. we've all been to these events, every speaker that gets invited has their slot. if at all there is a poor choice, then it is by those that elected to have him speak at the occasion He did not have to be the keynote speaker in order to hijack the event. Think about it? After he made his announcement, do you think every just said, "noted, let's go on with whatever we were talking about"? And you blame the people who invited him! Did he tell them that he was going to make such announcements? I repeat: very thoughtless and distateful actions by a person who should know better. And people just say oh he's a politician and that's politics! What a circus. He informed the public. And they have done what about it? Which ball has he set rolling, and where it it going? The PM's spokeman has made it clear that the PM was not informed beforehand. Yes, ultimately, the problem is for the PM and his security detail; that is why he should have started by informing the PM and not by hijacking a funeral of all things. I have done some reading here and there about how assassination plots and attempts have been disrupted, but I will admit that my knowledge of assassins is not very good. Please educate me: would you be kind enough to tell me exactly how such stunts help? By the way, whom exactly did he expose? You say there are people like you and others who don't care about the delivery but care about the message. So, let me ask you and the others this: You have got the message, and you care about it. So? What a circus.
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Post by akinyi2005 on Apr 11, 2012 5:02:19 GMT 3
Nyar mara, I excluded you from that team of swarming mediocrity yawa!! I thought your informed contribution echoed my thoughts and I said as much. Didn't you see? ~ Nalinali, (Ai yawa nyathi jomoko!) I followed with shock the inability of some members of your select class of elite rocket scientists, to decipher the abc praise prose you winged their ways! Okay, Omwenga gets a pass first attempt! but all the heisa has left me feeling very comfortable and confident at my high school ceiling/limit! See, I aint dissappointing you now! sorry to interrupt your high school party. did you consider that this rocket scientist perhaps needs reading glasses
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