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Post by kamalet on Apr 13, 2012 22:22:52 GMT 3
Instead of addressing themselves to the issues at hand, the secreteriate has opted to lie to the people. And as you can see, the lies are so open that even my own form two here at mukibis can read through them. Head Teacher Much respect if finally got to Mukibi's Institute of the Sons of African Gentlemen! That brought up some very old memories of Barbara Kimenye's fictional book! On a more seriuos note....... I find it interesting how Mudavadi now is unsuitable to be Raila's running mate and all the vitriol he faces here in Jukwaa. The point is that ODM lied to Mudavadi with all the promises that were made to change the offending clauses and it does not even matter that he raised these issues a long time ago so if there was a true will to be as accomodative as ODM pretends to be, this matter would have been resolved ages ago. But as anyone cas see it is the typical case of ODM where everything is an excuse that follows failure after failure. As they say siku za mwizi ni arubanne so we have got to crunch time.
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Post by deyiengs on Apr 14, 2012 0:13:45 GMT 3
From Mudavadi: ODM’s allergy to competition has seen Deputy Party Leader William Ruto first join the United Democratic Movement, and later the United Republican Party.
Fear of ambition has also seen the talented Mr Najib Balala fall out with the party leadership and shop for a political vehicle.
Now, the party risks losing Mr Mudavadi as well. Leaderless parties out there are salivating at the prospect of Mr Mudavadi joining them and bringing along with him his fine democratic credentials and immense political potential so he can win the election for them. Seriously? So all along they've been thinking Raila is the one to blame for Ruto and Balala's departure. Well, well, well..... Raila please up your game. You've been sleeping with serpents thinking they're chicken!!! Boy, how I now know who this guy is. Mudavadi is not good for ODM, not at all
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Post by job on Apr 14, 2012 0:18:16 GMT 3
This fiasco's origin has less to do with Musalia Mudavadi and more on one Mzee Daniel Kapkorios Toroitich arap Moi. It's political payback season!
When Tinga destroyed Moi's KANU hut (& project Uhuru) in 2002, little did he dream that Mzee Kapkorios would one day strike back.
Now here it is. Moi's deep pockets are back. Musalia is simply being Musalia - the weakest link in any arrangement near Moi. Moi was able to succesfully pluck back Musalia from Raila's Rainbow rebellion in 2002; the latter went ahead to become Kenya's VP for a brief period - essentially earmarked to become Uhuru Kenyatta's Veep were Kibaki to loose the election. That was never to be.
Talk of history having a knack to repeat itself. Right before our eyes, Musalia is restlessly walking away from a sure but patient path towards State House. Let us examine his options outside ODM. Will he even make it past round 1 in the elections? If I was in Musalia's shoes, I would have marked time, like U.S. V.P. Joe Biden or Secretary of State Hillary Clinton; opting not to challenge the ODM Party Leader at the primary. This would have saved the party a lot of expenses (in terms of financial, political and social capital).
It is indeed Musalia's democratic right to challenge his party boss in a primary. If I were him, before taking the significant step, I would have done some basic research on history - especially among the more developed democracies, to find out what such primaries normally portend. In the U.S., it is an unwritten tradition that incumbent party leaders aren't normally challenged. In few occasions, some enthusiastic members with burning ambition, have sometimes challenged the incumbent leader for the primary nomination. The last time such a challenge occured in the U.S., was in the Democratic Party in 1980.
President Jimmy Carter (D) was challenged by Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts in the 1980 Democratic Primary contest. It ended up being the most protracted and bruising battle that had to go all the way (from state to state), unresolved till the eleventh hour - at the actual delegates conference. Party delegates were fiercely divided even at the conference hall. In the end, the incumbent President Jimmy Carter survived narrowly...beating Kennedy by a hairline...and when it came the turn of Ted Kennedy to give his concession speech, it turned out to be one of the most emotional, and passionate foul-cry. Sen. Kennedy basically blamed the "powerful party establishment" (equivalent of party secretariat).
That was the state in which a limping President Jimmy Carter, and a divided Democratic Party, walked into the 1980 general elections, to face Ronald Reagan of the Republican party. Your guess is as good as anyones. Reagan whitewashed Carter in a terribly humiliating defeat for the incumbent Democrat. The bitter lesson was fully etched in the minds of adherents in both major parties. In the U.S. today, it has almost become a rule (of good manners) not to challenge incumbent party leaders so long as they are in office. Even ambitious and restless politicians have to somehow patiently wait their turn - in this old democracy of the U.S. of A.
Given Kenya's nascent situation, and still bustling with a brand new Constitution, I was one of those who actually encouraged a primary competititon within ODM - as in ushering in a transition with new traditions. But boy - didn't we under-estimate the power of the external hand. Little did I suspect that Musalia's running was pegged on several external interests - others principally irked by the PM's attempt to dislodge Mau land aristocrats, others over fears of retribution, and some even foreign (premised on regional geo-politics).
External non-ODM interests have infiltrated ODM's internal affairs to such an extent that non-ODM members are today more concerned with ODM affairs than the actual, paid-up, card-carrying members. It is even more suspect that Musalia Mudavadi beaming with a 5% countrywide voter preference has suddenly become the last great hope of stopping Raila Odinga. Every Tom, Dick and Harry knows that the best place to pour money to influence vote, is at the primary. Frankly, this has little to do with democracy...some clever people know that with big bucks, the polls don't matter, you can actually buy the primary.
The foxy Raila Amolo has certainly read the intentions of old score keepers like Daniel Kapkorios. As he watched the metamorphosis of his hand-picked deputy (Musalia), the Premier has been awoken. He has seen the hands of Moi, Museveni and the rest, all who waited for him to work hard building ODM into the country's most popular party...only to pounce and try to wrest it's leadership from him. This is indeed Raila Odinga's greatest test of political acumen. Will he maintain the party's leadership without remaining with a broken shell?
I believe that's the agenda keeping the think tanks burning midnight oil. Musalia's exit must not dint ODM's popularity. Prepare for a lot of geopolitical shifts. Unlike Roughrider, If i'm Raila I'll not look East to find Musalia's replacement. I will still look at Western - probably Kakamega or Bungoma or the Rift Valley. Musalia might find out in due course that like in 2002, jumping into Moi's fishnet was not worth the trouble. Now that Moi and Musalia made the move, I expect him to go all the way into the ballot. Therein we shall all see Musalia's real political strength. Your guess is as good as mine.
The next Presidential contest is beginning to shape up:
1) It is almost official, Musalia Mudavadi will be on the ballot (ala Kalonzo Musyoka in 2007) – very likely as a candidate of a party other than ODM. He will be running against ODM’s Raila Odinga.
2) Unveiling of the plot behind the G-7 plot – Ruto has indeed exposed his real intention which is TO become Uhuru Kenyatta’s RUNNING MATE. To Ruto’s consternation however, neither the populous Kipsigis nor the Nandi are enthusiastic about his number 2 slot – thus generally disinterested in such arrangement. This is why Uhuru is toying with the idea of Eugene Wamalwa as running mate.
3) KANU ina wenyewe: Moi has seen the above scenario and finally kicked out Uhuru Kenyatta (whom he believes has been fatally flawed by the ICC) from the Party. Gideon Moi and Nick Salat will firmly grip ownership of this party. Moi likely wants Musalia to run in this party - forget those hoodwinking sideshows with new Ford-K.
4) Don’t be surprised to see this scenario:
(a) ODM: Raila & a running mate from Western other than Musalia – keep an eye around Bungoma/KK/RV.
(b) KANU (the Moi project): Musalia and Gideon Moi
(c) G-7 (the Kibaki project):
(i) If it holds - Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto (ii) If it doesn’t hold – Uhuru and Eugene Wamalwa (iii) -- Ruto and Mwakwere
(d) Wiper: Kalonzo and a running mate from Rift Valley
(e) Narc-K: Karua and a running mate likely from the Coast
(f) KNA: Peter Kenneth
(g) POA: Raphael Tuju
From this long line-up, which two are likely to make it into a run-off should there be one?
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Post by merkeju on Apr 14, 2012 3:58:09 GMT 3
This fiasco's origin has less to do with Musalia Mudavadi and more on one Mzee Daniel Kapkorios Toroitich arap Moi. It's political payback season! When Tinga destroyed Moi's KANU hut (& project Uhuru) in 2002, little did he dream that Mzee Kapkorios would one day strike back. Now here it is. Moi's deep pockets are back. Musalia is simply being Musalia - the weakest link in any arrangement near Moi. Moi was able to succesfully pluck back Musalia from Raila's Rainbow rebellion in 2002; the latter went ahead to become Kenya's VP for a brief period - essentially earmarked to become Uhuru Kenyatta's Veep were Kibaki to loose the election. That was never to be. Talk of history having a knack to repeat itself. Right before our eyes, Musalia is restlessly walking away from a sure but patient path towards State House. Let us examine his options outside ODM. Will he even make it past round 1 in the elections? If I was in Musalia's shoes, I would have marked time, like U.S. V.P. Joe Biden or Secretary of State Hillary Clinton; opting not to challenge the ODM Party Leader at the primary. This would have saved the party a lot of expenses (in terms of financial, political and social capital). It is indeed Musalia's democratic right to challenge his party boss in a primary. If I were him, before taking the significant step, I would have done some basic research on history - especially among the more developed democracies, to find out what such primaries normally portend. In the U.S., it is an unwritten tradition that incumbent party leaders aren't normally challenged. In few occasions, some enthusiastic members with burning ambition, have sometimes challenged the incumbent leader for the primary nomination. The last time such a challenge occured in the U.S., was in the Democratic Party in 1980. President Jimmy Carter (D) was challenged by Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts in the 1980 Democratic Primary contest. It ended up being the most protracted and bruising battle that had to go all the way (from state to state), unresolved till the eleventh hour - at the actual delegates conference. Party delegates were fiercely divided even at the conference hall. In the end, the incumbent President Jimmy Carter survived narrowly...beating Kennedy by a hairline...and when it came the turn of Ted Kennedy to give his concession speech, it turned out to be one of the most emotional, and passionate foul-cry. Sen. Kennedy basically blamed the "powerful party establishment" (equivalent of party secretariat). That was the state in which a limping President Jimmy Carter, and a divided Democratic Party, walked into the 1980 general elections, to face Ronald Reagan of the Republican party. Your guess is as good as anyones. Reagan whitewashed Carter in a terribly humiliating defeat for the incumbent Democrat. The bitter lesson was fully etched in the minds of adherents in both major parties. In the U.S. today, it has almost become a rule (of good manners) not to challenge incumbent party leaders so long as they are in office. Even ambitious and restless politicians have to somehow patiently wait their turn - in this old democracy of the U.S. of A. Given Kenya's nascent situation, and still bustling with a brand new Constitution, I was one of those who actually encouraged a primary competititon within ODM - as in ushering in a transition with new traditions. But boy - didn't we under-estimate the power of the external hand. Little did I suspect that Musalia's running was pegged on several external interests - others principally irked by the PM's attempt to dislodge Mau land aristocrats, others over fears of retribution, and some even foreign (premised on regional geo-politics). External non-ODM interests have infiltrated ODM's internal affairs to such an extent that non-ODM members are today more concerned with ODM affairs than the actual, paid-up, card-carrying members. It is even more suspect that Musalia Mudavadi beaming with a 5% countrywide voter preference has suddenly become the last great hope of stopping Raila Odinga. Every Tom, Dick and Harry knows that the best place to pour money to influence vote, is at the primary. Frankly, this has little to do with democracy...some clever people know that with big bucks, the polls don't matter, you can actually buy the primary. The foxy Raila Amolo has certainly read the intentions of old score keepers like Daniel Kapkorios. As he watched the metamorphosis of his hand-picked deputy (Musalia), the Premier has been awoken. He has seen the hands of Moi, Museveni and the rest, all who waited for him to work hard building ODM into the country's most popular party...only to pounce and try to wrest it's leadership from him. This is indeed Raila Odinga's greatest test of political acumen. Will he maintain the party's leadership without remaining with a broken shell? I believe that's the agenda keeping the think tanks burning midnight oil. Musalia's exit must not dint ODM's popularity. Prepare for a lot of geopolitical shifts. Unlike Roughrider, If i'm Raila I'll not look East to find Musalia's replacement. I will still look at Western - probably Kakamega or Bungoma or the Rift Valley. Musalia might find out in due course that like in 2002, jumping into Moi's fishnet was not worth the trouble. Now that Moi and Musalia made the move, I expect him to go all the way into the ballot. Therein we shall all see Musalia's real political strength. Your guess is as good as mine. The next Presidential contest is beginning to shape up: 1) It is almost official, Musalia Mudavadi will be on the ballot (ala Kalonzo Musyoka in 2007) – very likely as a candidate of a party other than ODM. He will be running against ODM’s Raila Odinga. 2) Unveiling of the plot behind the G-7 plot – Ruto has indeed exposed his real intention which is TO become Uhuru Kenyatta’s RUNNING MATE. To Ruto’s consternation however, neither the populous Kipsigis nor the Nandi are enthusiastic about his number 2 slot – thus generally disinterested in such arrangement. This is why Uhuru is toying with the idea of Eugene Wamalwa as running mate. 3) KANU ina wenyewe: Moi has seen the above scenario and finally kicked out Uhuru Kenyatta (whom he believes has been fatally flawed by the ICC) from the Party. Gideon Moi and Nick Salat will firmly grip ownership of this party. Moi likely wants Musalia to run in this party - forget those hoodwinking sideshows with new Ford-K. 4) Don’t be surprised to see this scenario: (a) ODM: Raila & a running mate from Western other than Musalia – keep an eye around Bungoma/KK/RV. (b) KANU (the Moi project): Musalia and Gideon Moi (c) G-7 (the Kibaki project): (i) If it holds - Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto (ii) If it doesn’t hold – Uhuru and Eugene Wamalwa (iii) -- Ruto and Mwakwere (d) Wiper: Kalonzo and a running mate from Rift Valley (e) Narc-K: Karua and a running mate likely from the Coast (f) KNA: Peter Kenneth (g) POA: Raphael Tuju From this long line-up, which two are likely to make it into a run-off should there be one? Job I believe that Moi arap Torotich is more unhappy with Uhuru Kenyatta than Raila, Moi must have been sleeping while Uhuru was busy destroying KANU, Raila brought life into KANU during the merger, Uhuru has been busy destroying the party that Moi still believe in, in public recently Moi came out and point out that Uhuru was going to make KANU get de registered and on top of that Moi is against tribal groupings of GEMA and KAMATUSA both which Uhuru and Ruto enjoy its blessing. In that scenario i don't see the reason why Moi will want to destroy ODM while KANU is on its ICU bed. I once in Jukwaa predicted that Mudavadi will be the KANU presidential candidate and Moi will surely support him but Mudavadi's actions to ditch ODM has nothing to do with Moi pushing him to punish Raila, in the contrary Moi is warming more towards Raila than Uhuru Kenyatta or Ruto.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Apr 14, 2012 5:36:56 GMT 3
Exactly what I am talking about. As Kabatesi explains, what ODM has done is to effectively lock Mudavadi out. ------------ ... However, in a rejoinder ,Mudavadi’s camp termed as unfounded and unconvincing the reasons advanced by Nyong’o.
Kabatesi claimed the public has consistently been misled that what ODM did on Tuesday when officials presented registration application forms was merely to "file returns".
"To the contrary, on Tuesday, full registration was hurriedly applied for under the un-amended Constitution, in contempt of the NEC resolution. The legal net effect is that the party’s presidential ticket has been secured for the Party Leader," said Mudavadi’s aide.
He argued the Political Parties’ Act was clear under what circumstances registration was sought and the strict requirement for a notice did not apply at the time.
Kabatesi explained even then the party had sufficient time to hold the NDC had a notice been issued on April 4 after the NEC meeting that unanimously resolved the party Constitution be amended immediately.
He said instead Nyong’o presented the constitution with the clause which NEC had resolved be removed. To date no notice has been issued.
" It is therefore misleading to the public that the party was constrained to urgently issue notice under Section 20. Such notice was not necessary. It will be necessary only after the party is issued with a certificate of full registration," said Kabatesi. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000056222&cid=4& ----------------- As we can see, the agenda seems to be, to drive Mudavadi out of the party. The guys seem scared of Mudavadi stiff. Raila camp seems to have come to the realization that Mudavadi was going to whitewash them in the nominations. Thus, the underhand dealings they have engaged in. After driving Mudavadi out, the next thing is to temper with the delegates. The number of delegates from RV, Central and Eastern will be reduced to very minimal numbers while those from Luo Nyanza and Western friendly areas such as Busia will be tripled. All Mudavadi allies will be kicked out. After this, a cosmetic nomination process will be called at the kichinjio Kasarani. Men, this is KANU unraveling in our own eyes. As the Americans will say, we haven't seen nothing yet. For neutral observes like us, we can only wish Mudavadi well in whatever house he finally calls home, he is not the kind that can stand and does not deserve such mijeledi. One wonders why a man who according to Ambitho is riding on 52% popularity would be so scared to face a fellow who is languishing at a miserable 5%.
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Post by morimax on Apr 14, 2012 7:20:20 GMT 3
Exactly what I am talking about. As Kabatesi explains, what ODM has done is to effectively lock Mudavadi out. ------------ ... However, in a rejoinder ,Mudavadi’s camp termed as unfounded and unconvincing the reasons advanced by Nyong’o.
Kabatesi claimed the public has consistently been misled that what ODM did on Tuesday when officials presented registration application forms was merely to "file returns".
"To the contrary, on Tuesday, full registration was hurriedly applied for under the un-amended Constitution, in contempt of the NEC resolution. The legal net effect is that the party’s presidential ticket has been secured for the Party Leader," said Mudavadi’s aide.
He argued the Political Parties’ Act was clear under what circumstances registration was sought and the strict requirement for a notice did not apply at the time.
Kabatesi explained even then the party had sufficient time to hold the NDC had a notice been issued on April 4 after the NEC meeting that unanimously resolved the party Constitution be amended immediately.
He said instead Nyong’o presented the constitution with the clause which NEC had resolved be removed. To date no notice has been issued.
" It is therefore misleading to the public that the party was constrained to urgently issue notice under Section 20. Such notice was not necessary. It will be necessary only after the party is issued with a certificate of full registration," said Kabatesi. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000056222&cid=4& ----------------- As we can see, the agenda seems to be, to drive Mudavadi out of the party. The guys seem scared of Mudavadi stiff. Raila camp seems to have come to the realization that Mudavadi was going to whitewash them in the nominations. Thus, the underhand dealings they have engaged in. After driving Mudavadi out, the next thing is to temper with the delegates. The number of delegates from RV, Central and Eastern will be reduced to very minimal numbers while those from Luo Nyanza and Western friendly areas such as Busia will be tripled. All Mudavadi allies will be kicked out. After this, a cosmetic nomination process will be called at the kichinjio Kasarani. Men, this is KANU unraveling in our own eyes. As the Americans will say, we haven't seen nothing yet. For neutral observes like us, we can only wish Mudavadi well in whatever house he finally calls home, he is not the kind that can stand and does not deserve such mijeledi. One wonders why a man who according to Ambitho is riding on 52% popularity would be so scared to face a fellow who is languishing at a miserable 5%. Waw good thing you have seen the razor blade cutting the mugumo tree. If that is your theory it is the worst you can give. you can do better.
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Post by bob on Apr 14, 2012 8:10:15 GMT 3
Why is there so much obsession about Musalia leaving ODM ? Firstly, in politics every man has a price and unfortunately MM's price is low and impact might on the contrary to expectations of the ODM haters will be minimal. This is because the guy has no numbers and he is banking on the populous luhya vote which unfortunately fragmented thanks to the hard work of his old cousins G7, in fact damage done by Ruto was had more impact than MM so no big deal .Let ODM embark on damage assessment and control it Secondly,we have a very indecisive leader,and going by the voting patterns ,Kenyan's are not willing to trust this sort of leader(see Anapita katikati yao Part 11 starring MM? Thirdly ,why would a man who knows that the party has been infiltrated by ticks & leeches push ahead for primaries at the county level so hard before cleaning the house? Its my opinion that whatever damage he has done to ODM is already done so wacha aende zake ansitusonge mbele na utekelezaji wa Katiba. If the guy thought by crying that he is being shortchanged would land him sympathy votes, he is in for a rude shock .
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 14, 2012 12:09:17 GMT 3
Exactly what I am talking about. As Kabatesi explains, what ODM has done is to effectively lock Mudavadi out. ------------ ... However, in a rejoinder ,Mudavadi’s camp termed as unfounded and unconvincing the reasons advanced by Nyong’o.
Kabatesi claimed the public has consistently been misled that what ODM did on Tuesday when officials presented registration application forms was merely to "file returns".
"To the contrary, on Tuesday, full registration was hurriedly applied for under the un-amended Constitution, in contempt of the NEC resolution. The legal net effect is that the party’s presidential ticket has been secured for the Party Leader," said Mudavadi’s aide.
He argued the Political Parties’ Act was clear under what circumstances registration was sought and the strict requirement for a notice did not apply at the time.
Kabatesi explained even then the party had sufficient time to hold the NDC had a notice been issued on April 4 after the NEC meeting that unanimously resolved the party Constitution be amended immediately.
He said instead Nyong’o presented the constitution with the clause which NEC had resolved be removed. To date no notice has been issued.
" It is therefore misleading to the public that the party was constrained to urgently issue notice under Section 20. Such notice was not necessary. It will be necessary only after the party is issued with a certificate of full registration," said Kabatesi. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000056222&cid=4& ----------------- As we can see, the agenda seems to be, to drive Mudavadi out of the party. The guys seem scared of Mudavadi stiff. Raila camp seems to have come to the realization that Mudavadi was going to whitewash them in the nominations. Thus, the underhand dealings they have engaged in. After driving Mudavadi out, the next thing is to temper with the delegates. The number of delegates from RV, Central and Eastern will be reduced to very minimal numbers while those from Luo Nyanza and Western friendly areas such as Busia will be tripled. All Mudavadi allies will be kicked out. After this, a cosmetic nomination process will be called at the kichinjio Kasarani. Men, this is KANU unraveling in our own eyes. As the Americans will say, we haven't seen nothing yet. For neutral observes like us, we can only wish Mudavadi well in whatever house he finally calls home, he is not the kind that can stand and does not deserve such mijeledi. One wonders why a man who according to Ambitho is riding on 52% popularity would be so scared to face a fellow who is languishing at a miserable 5%. MM, What you have mentioned about the delegates from counties in RV ,Central , Nairobi , Eastern , N.Eastern and Coast is the area of concern to ODM-Raila . This circus of amending the constitution will go away there is no way Railas faction in ODM can be seen to be democratic if they dont amend it . Mudavadis faction is playing into the circus as an offensive strategy to avoid the tampering of the delegates and come the primaries Mudavadi will win hands down with majority of delegates from the said provinces with addition of Western voting for him . As earlier stated in another thread , this is the real nightmare for Raila. The more the O.D.M. in-fights continue the better for the opponents as it showcases what they have always been saying and the Kenyans can see for themselves that O.D.M. is undemocratic and intolerant.
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Post by mzee on Apr 14, 2012 12:52:28 GMT 3
[bMzee, Instead of addressing themselves to the issues at hand, the secreteriate has opted to lie to the people. And as you can see, the lies are so open that even my own form two here at mukibis can read through them. Tel them to be a little clever, this is not 2007. Mudavadi has been bold enough to remind them this. Mwalimumkuu, yes there are issues which are very difficult to face for true believers in the party. But in as much as you raise the perception you will be happy to see ODM dead [or is it Raila finished politically], there are issues you raise that are highly relevant. The party secretariat under Nyong'o has been KANU-esq. And I speak from experience, like long ago when folks like me were busy in Nyanza trying to organize a local primary election so that truly popular candidates could emerge, only for some candidates to appear with signed certificates from Orange house! direct nomination!
All my eastlands-living folks in Nairobi are still ODM damu, but when I asked them how ODM lost Makadara, I recognized what had happened with me in Nyanza. The majority youth did not want Ndolo, but that is the man the party imposed. The ODM supporters refused, joined the protest candidate Sonko or just stayed at home. That is how ODM lost Makadara. Orange House thought they could impose Ndolo. the youth said No.
And these lessons have not been learnt well. And that is the achilles heel of ODM. There is a fear of democracy at the heart of the party. [or is it a lingering attachment to the politics of patronage and nepotism?]y Jakaswanga, Why lie? Apart from Nyongo which other nyanza politician got direct nomination?
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 14, 2012 15:14:56 GMT 3
Mwalimumkuu, yes there are issues which are very difficult to face for true believers in the party. But in as much as you raise the perception you will be happy to see ODM dead [or is it Raila finished politically], there are issues you raise that are highly relevant. The party secretariat under Nyong'o has been KANU-esq. And I speak from experience, like long ago when folks like me were busy in Nyanza trying to organize a local primary election so that truly popular candidates could emerge, only for some candidates to appear with signed certificates from Orange house! direct nomination!
All my eastlands-living folks in Nairobi are still ODM damu, but when I asked them how ODM lost Makadara, I recognized what had happened with me in Nyanza. The majority youth did not want Ndolo, but that is the man the party imposed. The ODM supporters refused, joined the protest candidate Sonko or just stayed at home. That is how ODM lost Makadara. Orange House thought they could impose Ndolo. the youth said No.
And these lessons have not been learnt well. And that is the achilles heel of ODM. There is a fear of democracy at the heart of the party. [or is it a lingering attachment to the politics of patronage and nepotism?] y Jakaswanga, Why lie? Apart from Nyongo which other nyanza politician got direct nomination? What about Orengo being cleared by the party after losing to Mwanga? In Ugenya the youthful aspirants who trounced the rest at the ODM nominations was Stephen O Mwanga .but his victory was rejected for undisclosed reason and the party later cleared James Aggrey Orengo .But the popular Mwanga immediately jumped the ship and took a KADDU ticket. He is expected to give Orengo a run for his money.africanpress.me/2007/11/25/
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 14, 2012 15:21:49 GMT 3
Mwalimumkuu, yes there are issues which are very difficult to face for true believers in the party. But in as much as you raise the perception you will be happy to see ODM dead [or is it Raila finished politically], there are issues you raise that are highly relevant. The party secretariat under Nyong'o has been KANU-esq. And I speak from experience, like long ago when folks like me were busy in Nyanza trying to organize a local primary election so that truly popular candidates could emerge, only for some candidates to appear with signed certificates from Orange house! direct nomination!
All my eastlands-living folks in Nairobi are still ODM damu, but when I asked them how ODM lost Makadara, I recognized what had happened with me in Nyanza. The majority youth did not want Ndolo, but that is the man the party imposed. The ODM supporters refused, joined the protest candidate Sonko or just stayed at home. That is how ODM lost Makadara. Orange House thought they could impose Ndolo. the youth said No.
And these lessons have not been learnt well. And that is the achilles heel of ODM. There is a fear of democracy at the heart of the party. [or is it a lingering attachment to the politics of patronage and nepotism?] y Jakaswanga, Why lie? Apart from Nyongo which other nyanza politician got direct nomination? Mzee,In the event, orange house disowned the certificates as forgeries! not to mention the would-be direct nominees who saw that they would be killed by matchettes. And as some of us followed the 'forgeries' --you know not all of us are like the Kenya CID who can not authenticate the origins of a document! the stories began to emerge of how powerful Luo businessmen in Nairobi thought they could override the peoples will, by bending the party machinery! And what was that in Migori again? with 17 or so councillors!?Since you insist on the truth: tell us about the truth in the Ugenya process, which ultimately saw Orengo as the nominee! ODM needs a thorough look at itself, a honest criticism of her political practice, otherwise it will fall on its own sword. And it is the dominant party in Nyanza where I come from, so I care. That the G7 is out to buy as many delegates as possible to cause a Raila upset at the national delegates conference, is only a national application of what the ODM perfected in Nyanza. [Or you think we are competent of analysing USA and world politics to the dot, and not the political chicannery at our home doorstep? ] And by the way, if you have the time, research how long long ago before ODM, Malo Malo of Rarieda lost to Raphael Tuju! Old habits die hard they say. I have data on that one, and perhaps you could catch me lying again!
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fimbo
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Post by fimbo on Apr 15, 2012 6:03:03 GMT 3
The next Presidential contest is beginning to shape up: 1) It is almost official, Musalia Mudavadi will be on the ballot (ala Kalonzo Musyoka in 2007) – very likely as a candidate of a party other than ODM. He will be running against ODM’s Raila Odinga. 2) Unveiling of the plot behind the G-7 plot – Ruto has indeed exposed his real intention which is TO become Uhuru Kenyatta’s RUNNING MATE. To Ruto’s consternation however, neither the populous Kipsigis nor the Nandi are enthusiastic about his number 2 slot – thus generally disinterested in such arrangement. This is why Uhuru is toying with the idea of Eugene Wamalwa as running mate. 3) KANU ina wenyewe: Moi has seen the above scenario and finally kicked out Uhuru Kenyatta (whom he believes has been fatally flawed by the ICC) from the Party. Gideon Moi and Nick Salat will firmly grip ownership of this party. Moi likely wants Musalia to run in this party - forget those hoodwinking sideshows with new Ford-K. 4) Don’t be surprised to see this scenario: (a) ODM: Raila & a running mate from Western other than Musalia – keep an eye around Bungoma/KK/RV. (b) KANU (the Moi project): Musalia and Gideon Moi (c) G-7 (the Kibaki project): (i) If it holds - Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto (ii) If it doesn’t hold – Uhuru and Eugene Wamalwa (iii) -- Ruto and Mwakwere (d) Wiper: Kalonzo and a running mate from Rift Valley (e) Narc-K: Karua and a running mate likely from the Coast (f) KNA: Peter Kenneth (g) POA: Raphael Tuju From this long line-up, which two are likely to make it into a run-off should there be one? Job Does the new constitution allow the president and his running mate come from different parties? Whats about the constitutions of ODM, URP, KANU etc I think the issue of presidential politics is a major side show -- Kenyan political parties are such that everyone knows, or should have known, that the parties main financier (also known as party leader) gets what they want, principally the presidential nomination UNOPPOSED. I think what most of these unpopular MPs are thinking about, with regard to which party to join, is a free pass to parliament. A long list of "decent" political parties on the ballot, such as the one you have above is their worst nightmare.
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Post by mzee on Apr 15, 2012 23:35:24 GMT 3
y Jakaswanga, Why lie? Apart from Nyongo which other nyanza politician got direct nomination? Mzee,In the event, orange house disowned the certificates as forgeries! not to mention the would-be direct nominees who saw that they would be killed by matchettes. And as some of us followed the 'forgeries' --you know not all of us are like the Kenya CID who can not authenticate the origins of a document! the stories began to emerge of how powerful Luo businessmen in Nairobi thought they could override the peoples will, by bending the party machinery! And what was that in Migori again? with 17 or so councillors!?Since you insist on the truth: tell us about the truth in the Ugenya process, which ultimately saw Orengo as the nominee! ODM needs a thorough look at itself, a honest criticism of her political practice, otherwise it will fall on its own sword. And it is the dominant party in Nyanza where I come from, so I care. That the G7 is out to buy as many delegates as possible to cause a Raila upset at the national delegates conference, is only a national application of what the ODM perfected in Nyanza. [Or you think we are competent of analysing USA and world politics to the dot, and not the political chicannery at our home doorstep? ] And by the way, if you have the time, research how long long ago before ODM, Malo Malo of Rarieda lost to Raphael Tuju! Old habits die hard they say. I have data on that one, and perhaps you could catch me lying again! Jakaswanga, You failed to answer my question, perhaps deliberately, so I will leave it at that and move on.
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