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Post by jakaswanga on May 26, 2012 1:11:57 GMT 3
Johns, Einstein, Nalinali and the hiding Rest![We were at it at the Midiwo-funeral thread when otishotish advised us to decamp!] Here I so oblige him! I am not as sensitive to being [called] Jaluos as you guys. Infact I make it known with a boastful abandon! My sense of being Jaluos was re-enforced in Uganda, and a bit of Sudan. That is where I met the unapologetic Luos, black like soot and satan they sang! and an incisive Luo intellectual wing --that is Acholi Langi etc--- that already had wielded state power and lost it. That is a different trauma from the Kenyan-Luo whose traumatic obssession is the winning of state-power. With Raila as the pitcher in a nearly do or die historic mission! That sets the stage for all the anxieties and insecurities inherent in petty nationalist projects in general. Our brothers across already had Obote 1&2 regimes; and had been forced by Museveni's victory to engage in a self-analysis without illusions. They had to unearth and expose the decay in the Obote regimes. And its inevitable doom. Museveni's thrashing was such a shock to some, that they initially ran away from political and millitary reality into the mysticism of quick-fixer Alice Lakwena, which would give way to the degenerations our most notorious kinsman to date: Joseph Kony. And one is of course free to wonder: when Obama authorizes the CIA to unleash drones which, more often than not, wipe out hoardes of Paki-Pashtun children and miss the terrorists, is this just another Luo gone high-tech murder , doing what low-tech Kony is doing in CAR, -- bashing heads in with rungus and rocks?!Well, on our shores, we have long feet [easy to step on]; we are very self-conscious [if others misunderstand us they will not vote for our project]; we feel easily victimized [Tom, Ouko etc traumas]; easily demonized [those are the ones who have no idea how we speak of ' jokarabwon', jotok-kodera, mwache! and if they know, prefer a make-believe omerta, which Jakaswanga is not sworn to! These Luos who are bent on projecting a fictitious, propagandistic, electorally suitable image of Jaluos, are easily pushed on the defensive when our brothers like Joseph Kony and his generals from hell like Otti and Otto are refered to as Jaruos, even mad Jaruos! That is, the psychological depth to absorb and counter myths and biases from others is shaky! In Uganda, when Museveni had the misfortune to refer to late General Bazillio Okello as a minor fighter, within 24 hours he had to swallo his words. Yes, he had defeated his UNLA; yes Bazillio was near illiterate; but all the way to Dar-Es-Salaam they still remembered him when he had cut his teeth in the war against Amin. Old soldiers called radio stations: where men die, I fight next to Bazillio! where men tell tales and dine, I sit next to Kaguta! [There is a story here about a man called David Oyite Ojok which I wont tell for now], but it is part of the absorbent depths why Ugandan Luo nationalism easily discerns the joker in M7. But this side of the border, the myths other groups may publicly peddle against us, manage to hit some of us, like sensitive Johns of Jukwaa, to the core of hurt! What is wrong with the current dominant strand of Kenyan Luo nationalist manifestation? I say to my brother Einstein in particular: it, the comprador nationalism, takes a look at what it has achieved in its tenure as ruler in the homeland Nyanza in the last decades +, and recognizes its own rot instinctively. But it does not rationally want to come to terms with it. It prefers the Alice Lakwena mystic side shows of blaming thieving generations of Kikuyus, thieving Kalenjins of Moi, thieving everybody else, except the thieving selfsame Luos who have brought Nyanza services to her knees and maintain her there! it is like this Luo nationalism knows, when one from afar chances to take a look at shabby Nyanza and muses if that is the way 'we' are going to run Kenya .. we risk becoming the biggest unstated joke .... pilini me wang'wa otamowa golo, mag jomoko ema wang'eyo neno! [experts at apportioning the blame to everyone else except ourselves!] I will be back!
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Post by jakaswanga on May 26, 2012 1:33:00 GMT 3
Always remember that the hatchet is deeply buried in the Abyss!! Thank you my brother Einstein! I will remember to engage in the new-found spirit we now both profess! Perish the old thug in me! ;D JohnsThis perpertual habit is easily explained. The current dominant strand of Luo nationalism seems to commission only substandard material to public office. [Tell me about the mayors of Luoland towns, the minor versions of Majiwa..] I am too meticulous too make baseless statements, so If I trash your holy Luo men who occupy public positions, I must have stated clearly my motivations.lets take a bird's eye view: Nyong'o: The good news is I advised he should take his political science brains far from public office, to some fishy university where his great brains would quickly put paid to the fishy reputation. In public office he is a horror. An incompetent and hopeless minister for health, recently humiliated by Raila on the NHIF saga. Direct nomination did not set a good example for competitive democracy in a party singing that mantra like the ODM. An intellectual blunder. As party secretariat boss he failed to hinder the attempt to impose an office candidate on Makadara, and lost the by election. Such a man I will trash any day in public office. 2. Lumumba PLO.The good news is I posted his command of the Queens speak is of a level only comparable to the late Arguenge Kodhek, the man who, according to folklore, nodhumo kisungu ni wasungu, mi wasungu okuno dhogi, kendo ojok oriembe a ulaya! [the white man could not stand Argwing's command of their language; dejected, they gave him all his degrees and deported him!]. But as a successor to Ringera, and in comparison to Githong'o the earlier anti-corruption Czar, I reasoned Lumumba was a thing best forgotten, and only talked of as ' ngero': the personification of incompetence. 3. Caroli Omondi. Tell you a story. Once upon a time the money-master who had 'pulled' our musical group to the city, told us if we sang the 'maize song' at the upper market joint, then he could not guarantee our payment. The maize song came about when somebody from Kibera told us Caroli was driving a 20M worth BMW! Onyiewo gan'go? [how did he buy it?] our creative singer asked? 'Ouso oduma e chiro', [sold maize at the open market!] the Kibera man replied with a grin. Oduma ma watedogo kuonni kara ohande duong'? [so this staple of ours is big business, he?!] Lich Nairobi ka, Ruto onyiewogo ndege! [Sky rockets I tell you. Ruto bought a plane with it!] And within 20 minutes we had a refrain to a new song: Caroli susnwae oduma! mogo nengone osudo! To oduma otimo sum, kik isusne Agwambo! [Caroli, chotea sisi maindi kidogo, bei ya unga ni ndege! Lakini maindi hiyo ni sumu, usimchotee Agwambo!] Now Johns, you catch why my type wont join you in singing the praise songs of your darling Caroli? Midiwo & Kajwang': it would be degrading to comment on the buffoonery of this theatrical duo. Orengo: quashed the Ndung'u report. S okyimau revealed the rot he still presides over. His win in Ugenya? there is a story there we love to tell in dholuo! 'onywome kura'! Raila is a genial campaigner and political activist, but no head for administration and the nitty-gritty of bareaucratic tedium. Like re-visiting things to see they are done, otherwise the beautiful hospital costing millions is just a kiosk ---like the recent Clinix hospitals which are state of the art on paper, but just Maersk % Coca-Cola containers in reality! So when I deprecate I always substantiate! Ojode: I called him dumb-Rambo when he threatened to lock Eastleigh down in search of al shabaab, and he used language which was uncooth and inflammatory at the adress of all Somalis! Otieno dalmas: a renowned crack ideologue of ethnic math. I called him an evil genius --he is the kind of guy whose mind would size up Kosgey as running mate! Professor Muga: the way he suspended the committee of NHIF on TV! very Thoracic Othorong'ong'o! -------------------- I think you are so much used to mediocrity, that you think the performances of people like Nyong'o Orengo and the rest of the Jaluos are worth praise songs! Wuothi eka ine! see the way other people run their countries! Exams without leakages; uniform voltage on the power lines 24/7 all year all century; water pumps which are only decommissioned because technology has moved and now they are museum pieces, and not because they are broken. Some years back I asked my students how many of them had ever turned on a tap in Kisumu which produced HOT WATER! They laughed like mad! HOT WATER! hizo mavitu hunyambanyamba tu mahewa! ----------------- Singing the praises of petty bourgeoisie comprador as a ruling class? Haha Johns, you got someway to go! So this honourable Ayieko to you, is he the man of renditions? Jakaswanga,The hatchet between the two of us is buried, but the struggle continues.I'm responding specifically to that part of your post marked red above in my quote. The response you still owe to this board to date pertains to the question: If you, Jakaswanga, is too meticulous to make baseless statements, and if your trashing of 'YOUR holy Luo men who occupy public positions', was meant to state your clear motivations, then could you please finally indulge this board why such a meticulous Luo like yourself, Jakaswanga, had to be fired from your teaching job? So what was your motivation when you told us about your firing and what motivated your firing by your bosses from your teaching job at the time? I asked you this question once before, but never got a response[/size].[/font] Do you want to have a go at it this time round? Or were you just kidding about you getting fired from your teaching job? Please do not ask me where and when you said the above. We've got the evidence in the Jukwaa archives.[/quote] EinsteinThis question I answered before. Either your memory fails you, or by that time you had switched into the now defunct boycott mode! ;D It was absenteeism. Prolonged without proper notification, nor proper authorization. For you I repeat: I had explained in an sms to the boss that I was leaving the country for 1 month immidiately! Like Oloo and his SDP mates discovered some joints do not take MPESA as legal tender, I was also informed an SMS does not count as OFFICIAL communication!But since we are Kenyans here, the true explanation can be less complicated. Refusing to share a % of the proceeds! [I could have lied the Ugandans had arrested and, for that period, detained me for protesting on Migingo island of course ... but who did I sit next to at the godamn Kisumu airport! My godamn boss!
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Post by einstein on May 26, 2012 1:37:12 GMT 3
Johns, Einstein, nalinali & the rest of the lynch mob!I think Otishotish is right here, that the turn of our exchanges are no longer focused on the antics of our market-madman Jakoyo. But, on the other hand, the sensitivities of you folks towards the honour your underperforming or criminal tribesmen, reveals the need to carry on this debate elsewhere. I will therefore start a thread to discuss the comparative insecurities of Kenyan Luo nationalism, especially in the foreground of Project Raila. And please let us make it an altercation reminscent of the Mboya-Argwings spectacle of yonder! Ask your grandfathers: when TJ locked horns with CMG in Nairobi then, Kenyans had a glimpse of detribalized society! This vision would briefly resurface when JM locked horns with Onyatto!This will be a battle in a steel-cage! cerebral gloves banned! Yeah, clutching on straws courtesy of Otishotish, right? Not bad at all! Okay, bring it on now brother Jakaswanga! Please make sure that the core thesis of your new thread reads 'The Luo are inherently incompetent'. That should be the gist of the discussion going by your posts above. www.jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6819&page=23
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Post by jakaswanga on May 26, 2012 1:53:13 GMT 3
Johns, Einstein, nalinali & the rest of the lynch mob!I think Otishotish is right here, that the turn of our exchanges are no longer focused on the antics of our market-madman Jakoyo. But, on the other hand, the sensitivities of you folks towards the honour your underperforming or criminal tribesmen, reveals the need to carry on this debate elsewhere. I will therefore start a thread to discuss the comparative insecurities of Kenyan Luo nationalism, especially in the foreground of Project Raila. And please let us make it an altercation reminscent of the Mboya-Argwings spectacle of yonder! Ask your grandfathers: when TJ locked horns with CMG in Nairobi then, Kenyans had a glimpse of detribalized society! This vision would briefly resurface when JM locked horns with Onyatto!This will be a battle in a steel-cage! cerebral gloves banned! Yeah, clutching on straws courtesy of Otishotish, right? Not bad at all! Okay, bring it on now brother Jakaswanga! Please make sure that the core thesis of your new thread reads 'The Luo are inherently incompetent'. That should be the gist of the discussion going by your posts above. Einstein,Lets get serious here. No thesis, even a weak one can read like that. What do I do with the competences of say the late SM Otieno in criminal law, and Prof. Ogendo in state law? Or did you mean in public office? You did not know hommie TJ, owad gi Okuku, is to date still unmatchable in public office performance? [This perpertual habit is easily explained. The current dominant strand of Luo nationalism seems to commission only substandard material to public office [/size].[/b] [/quote] This you understand as the Luo are inherently incompetent! Oh my brother Einstein! you stray too far from meaning! CURRENT DOMINANT STRAND OF LUO NATIONALISM SEEMS TO ... Einstein! perhaps you want to take a crash-course in nationalisms and possible strands therein, before you re-read my post and further engage in interpellation! Currently you are off message!
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Post by jakaswanga on May 26, 2012 2:03:03 GMT 3
Exactly my point viz-a-viz Jakaswanga ever since he joined this board seemingly with the sole purpose to demonstrate how he, Jakaswanga, can single-handedly put his own folk down! What you, John, are saying is what I told Jakaswanga when I first interacted with him on this board last year! This does not imply that Jakaswanga should not critique his own ethnic group. He should do it by all means, but he himself should be above reproach first! Jakaswanga, my brother, it is one thing to bad-mouth whoever; it is a completely different ball game all together to stand head and shoulders above someone or something! Please convince once that you are for real!!! The hatchet is still deeply buried in the Abyss where it rightfully belongs!! Einstein!I should be above reproach first before I criticize anybody? Your mind fails you. Even a thief criticizing a thief is not yet hypocrisy, until their respective moralities are compared and proven. Your point is not how the freedom of expression and criticism works! By the way, I am very corrupt in certain ways! I wont say, but I know they will shock your christian morality! Yes, the hatchet stays burried! ;D
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Post by jakaswanga on May 26, 2012 2:21:23 GMT 3
My friend you don't seem to get it!! Folks are not simply incompetent simply because they happen to be Luos!! That is Jakaswanga's theory and hence my query to Jakaswanga why he got kicked-out of his teaching job! Was it because he happens to be a Luo?This will be my last one on this issue till i hear from my brother Jakaswanga personally. Let me chime in on this digression (considering the topical focus). For all his professed claim to being a historian, I have quietly accepted Jakaswanga's obvious analytical dexterity with the sad realization that his convictions are woefully undercut by a shallowness of historical knowledge especially as relates to Kenya's political history. Leaves his convictions hanging and un-anchored on a credibly sound and informed basis. Ironical?? I know not, but quite dispiriting. Yes nalinali, but you haven't called me out on any specifics! I guess you haven't been reading my professorials! otherwise, if you are serious, you would have had a field day doing to me what Ali did to Foreman in the jungle rumble!As it is, I think yours is a fearful snort outside the ring. A ring you are too scared to enter! I post my opinions and analysis openly with ferocity! A willing punch-bag if ever there was one! Take any of them, showcase my shallowness and let me marvel at your depths! Show the unsoundness at the basis of my thinking, and let all marvel at your sagacity! Or is it that your phrase-mongering there above, a self-potrait?! I appreciate humour as you know! I post the current dominant strand of luo nationalism more often than not delegates inferior adminstrators to public office, and i post a reel of names to show what I mean. What is so difficult in a deep-thinker like you blasting me to smithereens on that?! Man! how am I suppose to stop being arrogant when your head goes all tortoise in shell, even when am supposedly foolhardy?
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Post by OtishOtish on May 26, 2012 2:28:43 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, nice to see you in action! For a minute there, I thought those guys had finished you! And I very much appreciate you and your friends going off to your own thread. I'll pop in once in a while to check the score.
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Post by jakaswanga on May 26, 2012 2:58:23 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, I know you are intelligent enough to understand that i dont give a damn who you trash as a person. If anyone be it luo, Kalenjin, etc, ..., and has not performed duty as required by public expectation, rest assured i know where to put them. Eh! i will even join you in expressing the same distaste in how i view the list of names you have posted and i have said so right here in jukwaa in the past My concern was not about specific individuals but with the way you placed a tribal tag on the individual name as if his perceived incompetence derives itself because he is Luo. ........, or something distatesful a JALUO! So i will ask, when does a person (of the lake) lose his/her individuality and become derogatively a JALUO as applied here? Man i do not know where you come from, but I totally have no negative associations when folks call me Jaluos. Only amusement in the beginning, because always the S! he is a JaluoS! are you JaluoS! [trust me I have taken it up with some linguists I know]. Sometimes educated Kenyans ask you in code: so where do you come from?! I always get to the point tap-tap. I am jaluoS! Otherwise it goes: I come from say Homa Bay. Then: So you are a JaluoS?!So Johns, I am streetwise enough to know Kenyans wanna knows this. Unlike Tz. In places like Rwanda the codes are elaborate, unspoken, but deadly. As a matter of fact yours can be considered as hate speech. Yu will amuse me some more by being elaborate on this one. You can not debase an individual on account of his birthplace, i think their record should do the talking. If Ayieko was responsible for renditioning of kenyans to other places, how does is luoness come in? In this blog where Mount Kenya Mafia smells of total anti-gikuyu sentiment, and further afield, there is even a national consensus that the next PORK should not come from the house of Mumbi, I would think ethnicity is a chief concern of Kenyans when it comes to high public office! Is it phil who first said most senior LUO .... Eti! JALUO sypmaster, you should be ashamed of yourself. And for a person who has been bestowed by public and parents to teach our children good manners and make kenya tribeless, you surely dissapoint. If phil is correct, then factually Ayieko is/was a Jaluos, and by profession he was a spymaster. Jaluo spymaster he was then. Do you know the difference between being a LUO and a JALUO? No. Your question sounds ominously philosophical, so I will take the free lecture. Come on with it sir! As a historian you should know better. When Museveni made reference to people of Kibera as JALUO after they disrupted Railway service to Uganda, do you think it was in a positive gesture? Or when he talks about Migingo? I thought you were smart but i guess playing to the public gallery and to some audience is what appear to be important to you. Again! if you want to make an ass of yourself who am i to stop you, just go a head. Always sorry to dissappoint and have my ratings lowered like a southern european economy! But on history you never know! my speciality could be ancient Rome and not Mau-Mau! The uprooted railway: kinsfolk in the city are not so sensitive to it as you think. I have been told, so long Sebeni squats on Migingo, rail through Kibera to Uganda remains a risk! That Kibera thing, has a very heavy dose of Jaluos! Sebeni's instincts were right! Again, incompetence of kenyas public officials is not confined to only a region or community and if you want to talk about that, then lets do it and i hope you have prepared a derogative word for every tribe of kenyas public officials who are not luos. Lets start here ..... Did I say it is confined to one region? I am of the opinion to a lot of folks here, big state theft is confined to what is called MK-maffia! And for some Jaluos when a tribesman is caught with his fingers honeyed, they say O, that is peanuts! the real robbery is the MK chaps! Johns, you, like einstein, fail to understand, or will not take cognizance of the statement: the current dominant strand in Luo nationalism shows a tendency to elevate incompetencias to public service! Do you think that list I gave you is happenstance? I think it is SYSTEMATIC!
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Post by OtishOtish on May 26, 2012 3:04:35 GMT 3
[quote author=johns board=general thread=6819 In this blog where Mount Kenya Mafia smells of total anti-gikuyu sentiment, and further afield, there is even a national consensus that the next PORK should not come from the house of Mumbi, I would think ethnicity is a chief concern of Kenyans when it comes to high public office! Is it phil who first said most senior LUO ....Jakaswanga wins Round 1.
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Post by einstein on May 26, 2012 4:56:57 GMT 3
[quote author=johns board=general thread=6819 In this blog where Mount Kenya Mafia smells of total anti-gikuyu sentiment, and further afield, there is even a national consensus that the next PORK should not come from the house of Mumbi, I would think ethnicity is a chief concern of Kenyans when it comes to high public office! Is it phil who first said most senior LUO ....Jakaswanga wins Round 1. Oh my God, The Most High, The Most Compassionate. Otishotish, hmmm!?.
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Post by marikopolitico on May 26, 2012 12:45:09 GMT 3
Nice read
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Post by kamalet on May 26, 2012 13:25:51 GMT 3
Jakaswanga
A very interesting read and yes well researched through the jukwaa threads!
Moving on from the "Jaluos!" can you also extend this to derivation of the Omera to the corruption by the gikuyu of the "Jaluos!" when it is changed to "mera" to refer to the community rather than the individual? I presume the sheng extension of "Jaluos!" to "mjaka" may have lead to your Jakaswanga moniker....care to help out?
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Post by job on May 26, 2012 15:43:09 GMT 3
I am publicly calling on Oloo (admin) to take down this juvenille thread centered around Jakaswanga’s bloated ego. Unlike the mashadas of cyber, JUKWAA should be a forum for mature adults! If indeed JUKWAA still has a ZERO Tolerance policy for: Trash talkers, tribalists, racists, sexists, homophobes, religious bigots and cyberstalkers...then we must not have this thread on this board. Throwing in a few irrelevant names of Ugandan Luo does not veil the personalized and juvenille nature of this self-serving thread.
Jakaswanga is clearly cyberstalking a few debators he disagreed with (Einstein, nalinali et al.) and using them as a basis to harass and disparage an entire community through misguided stereotypes and irrelevant claims. He thinks he is being clever by ‘baiting’ those he stereotypes as ‘insensitive Luos’ to this thread. How about the thread comes down!
We should not entertain personalized threads dedicated to massaging individual egos or launching tribal bashes. Such nonsense does not qualify as debate. If JUKWAA were to succumb to this trend where fellas collectively lumpen a few debators who disagree with them – under stereotypic banners on seperate threads– we shall spiral straight into another mashada type forum.
And for starters, the fact that Jakaswanga claims he is Luo {or writes copious amounts of unsolicited statements in Dholuo (laboriously followed by their translation into English)} does not necessarily mean he is Luo. He could be violating more of JUKWAA’s no-go zones for zero-tolerance. Why must someone exhibit a chronic need to remind their audience he can actually write in Dholuo? But even if Jakaswanga were a self-hating Luo (or part Luo) paradoxically manifesting some false consciousness – by constantly trying to appease and embrace the indictments of bigoted Luo-bashers – JUKWAA is not a free clinic for Stockholm syndrome. Jeeez!
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Post by Titchaz on May 26, 2012 15:52:47 GMT 3
Jamani nyie watu vipi tena sasa mnatuletea uhuni humu ndani aisee? Nyuzi kama hizi ni za kishamba tu na hamna lolote humu ndani. Hapa kuna makabila zaidi ya wajaluo na kama una ishu nao peleka jaluo.com.
Tuepusheni na adesi!!!!!!
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Post by jakaswanga on May 26, 2012 16:05:46 GMT 3
[ Johns,My response to the portion in red above: Exactly my point viz-a-viz Jakaswanga ever since he joined this board seemingly with the sole purpose to demonstrate how he, Jakaswanga, can single-handedly put his own folk down! [/b]What you, John, are saying is what I told Jakaswanga when I first interacted with him on this board last year! Einstein, For just a fleeting moment, I was minded to be the bad cop, charging you amok with rampaging baton! but on quick deliberation, remembering our new understanding after the thaw in our cold war stand-off, I find it befitting to approach you with the highest standards of honourable etiquette! It occurs to me that you, perhaps, really are honest when, so loudly, you portray your misconceived thinking on what I am all about on Jukwaa: ' ,he jakaswanga, seemingly joined jukwaa for the sole purpose of demonstrating how he single-handedly can put his own folk down![/' Well, it is possible you continue to entertain this folly merely because I have neither sufficiently nor successfully explained to you [amongst others ] the paradigms of my mental operations. That is, the content of my ideological critique on nationalism in general and Luo nationalism in particular, being complex, delicate and dialectical, may have required an elaborate introduction and moderated tutorial to those who are unfamiliar with the materialist approach to history and economics. I made the mistake of assuming this school of critique is part of the ABC substrate of the average blogger on a site ran by 'Dugashvilli' Onyango Oloo, him being the most conscious and ideologically articulate social thinker on Kenya to date. Only two men living today I know of, have, using the sheer power of their extraordinary minds, penetrated the dense and opaque Kenyan socio-political and economic [super&sub] structure to its molten core, unraveling its DNA far beyond the wildest fantasies of any earlier 'Crix & Watson'! Those two are mwalimu Ngugi wa Thion'go and Dugashvilli Onyango Oloo!-- When K-K said as much a while ago, double O inclined his head, tapped the bridge of his glasses and let out a boyish chuckle! ;D Well, I am not into flattering even Jesus nor Mohamed nor Jevovah nor God, let alone mere mortals. But I never deny credit where it is due. Oloo tops the chart of thought on Kenya.--- If one does not have the philosophical aptitude to comprehend Jukwaa Oloo --(I found out the 8-4-4 system had not adequately prepared many of my students for this)--, I have always insisted on a study of the cultural masterpieces of wa Thiong'o: Petals of Blood, Devil on the Cross, Grain of wheat; interlaced with the many essays he has authored. (A study of the ideological underpinnings of the construct Kenya. The myths and fictions of national identities; the post-colonial politics of basal accumulation).Unfortunately, most of the dotcoms preferred to have me lecture them on the comparative poetic diction of Ken wa Maria [/b][a later day Wakamba benga star, and Okatch Biggy, an earlier Jaluos benga star]. ---This is when I would ask ample-bottomed females from the respective communities to step forward and shake butt to guitar licks from the repertoires of the respective maestros, (never a shortage of butty volunteers), and therefrom, concentration so heightened, we could have an endless lively discourse on the cultural determinations of physical response to different musical sounds within one genre but aroused from alternative guitar fingering techniques! { This leaves Oloo- and Ngugi's works for a select few only!]So, E instein, if you are serious we have buried the hatchet in the abyss [did you see the film], then I will try to diligently take away your misunderstanding of the 'self-hating luo' Jakaswanga! But if you are merely bent on provoking me, like a man stirring a hornet's nest .. you will soon notice something in your own mind. Little Slovenia of no mineral resources has about 2M people and probably a territory smaller than Nyanza. Only yesterday freed from the bully Serbian nationalist grip in Jugoslavia. But their GDP is now higher than Kenya's. See how they upped their game to join the EU. To show me you are serious, brother Einstein, can you deconstruct Slovenia for us on Jukwaa on a thread, in opposition to somebody from the Mombasa Republican council who could say: Coast goes Independent! and like Slovenia, we will up our game and in ten years leave corrupt rest of Kenya far behind!
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Post by jakaswanga on May 26, 2012 16:10:30 GMT 3
Jakaswanga A very interesting read and yes well researched through the jukwaa threads! Moving on from the "Jaluos!" can you also extend this to derivation of the Omera to the corruption by the gikuyu of the "Jaluos!" when it is changed to "mera" to refer to the community rather than the individual? I presume the sheng extension of "Jaluos!" to "mjaka" may have lead to your Jakaswanga moniker....care to help out? Kamalet, my moniker refers to my geographical area, as in comes from!
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Post by jakaswanga on May 26, 2012 16:33:24 GMT 3
I am publicly calling on Oloo (admin) to take down this juvenille thread centered around Jakaswanga’s bloated ego. Unlike the mashadas of cyber, JUKWAA should be a forum for mature adults! If indeed JUKWAA still has a ZERO Tolerance policy for: Trash talkers, tribalists, racists, sexists, homophobes, religious bigots and cyberstalkers...then we must not have this thread on this board. Throwing in a few irrelevant names of Ugandan Luo does not veil the personalized and juvenille nature of this self-serving thread. Jakaswanga is clearly cyberstalking a few debators he disagreed with (Einstein, nalinali et al.) and using them as a basis to harass and disparage an entire community through misguided stereotypes and irrelevant claims. He thinks he is being clever by ‘baiting’ those he stereotypes as ‘insensitive Luos’ to this thread. How about the thread comes down!We should not entertain personalized threads dedicated to massaging individual egos or launching tribal bashes. Such nonsense does not qualify as debate. If JUKWAA were to succumb to this trend where fellas collectively lumpen a few debators who disagree with them – under stereotypic banners on seperate threads– we shall spiral straight into another mashada type forum. And for starters, the fact that Jakaswanga claims he is Luo { or writes copious amounts of unsolicited statements in Dholuo (laboriously followed by their translation into English)} does not necessarily mean he is Luo. He could be violating more of JUKWAA’s no-go zones for zero-tolerance. Why must someone exhibit a chronic need to remind their audience he can actually write in Dholuo? But even if Jakaswanga were a self-hating Luo (or part Luo) paradoxically manifesting some false consciousness – by constantly trying to appease and embrace the indictments of bigoted Luo-bashers – JUKWAA is not a free clinic for Stockholm syndrome. Jeeez! Job, [see my post to eistein above --in answer to what he sees as my habitual Luo tear-down!]. You are ordinarily clever on many subjects, and just as you should have the insight to know when you are going to swim with the sharks, you should care to know which subjects your mind jams at, and goes into a thinker's block. This one such subject where you are being an ace A followed by two S's! On nationalisms in Africa: you are going to shut up. I am calling Oloo, whom you want to banish me from Jukwaa, Dugashvilli for a reason outside your conceptions. There is a famous article called: on the question of nations on ethnic minorities and national consciousness in the USSR. I suspect Oloo is the only fellow on this board who has made a study of it. Look at you, poor Job, enraged to the point of denying my being Jaluos! Excommunicating me the way that Limuru dog of Kenyatta excommunicated Ngugi wa Thiong'o when he, Ngugi, offered an alternative understanding of FACING MOUNT KENYA! Doc, go back to where your mind might be more useful! Dialectical renditions on consciousness, nationalist or class, statal or parastatal, ne ok ong'adgo pendi!My ego is big! and I recognized long ago that here is where the big egos reside! that is why I am on Jukwaa where I find my matches! If you are no match, Adieu! but take a ringside seat. Seat baaaaaack and ........
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Post by topnotch on May 26, 2012 16:34:12 GMT 3
Poor Jakaswanga. The man badly needs a shrink.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2012 16:48:09 GMT 3
I am publicly calling on Oloo (admin) to take down this juvenille thread centered around Jakaswanga’s bloated ego. Unlike the mashadas of cyber, JUKWAA should be a forum for mature adults! If indeed JUKWAA still has a ZERO Tolerance policy for: Trash talkers, tribalists, racists, sexists, homophobes, religious bigots and cyberstalkers...then we must not have this thread on this board. Throwing in a few irrelevant names of Ugandan Luo does not veil the personalized and juvenille nature of this self-serving thread. Jakaswanga is clearly cyberstalking a few debators he disagreed with (Einstein, nalinali et al.) and using them as a basis to harass and disparage an entire community through misguided stereotypes and irrelevant claims. He thinks he is being clever by ‘baiting’ those he stereotypes as ‘insensitive Luos’ to this thread. How about the thread comes down!We should not entertain personalized threads dedicated to massaging individual egos or launching tribal bashes. Such nonsense does not qualify as debate. If JUKWAA were to succumb to this trend where fellas collectively lumpen a few debators who disagree with them – under stereotypic banners on seperate threads– we shall spiral straight into another mashada type forum. And for starters, the fact that Jakaswanga claims he is Luo { or writes copious amounts of unsolicited statements in Dholuo (laboriously followed by their translation into English)} does not necessarily mean he is Luo. He could be violating more of JUKWAA’s no-go zones for zero-tolerance. Why must someone exhibit a chronic need to remind their audience he can actually write in Dholuo? But even if Jakaswanga were a self-hating Luo (or part Luo) paradoxically manifesting some false consciousness – by constantly trying to appease and embrace the indictments of bigoted Luo-bashers – JUKWAA is not a free clinic for Stockholm syndrome. Jeeez! wow Job you said "And for starters, the fact that Jakaswanga claims he is Luo" I have other stuff to say about this, but for now I'd like to ask you if you can suggest what my kids should consider themselves. Luos, Merus, Canadians, Kenyans. How about your kids, are they luos? If they should ever critique the Luo elites will their voices be delegitimized by being cast as outsiders by other Luos?
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Post by jakaswanga on May 26, 2012 16:54:05 GMT 3
Poor Jakaswanga. The man badly needs a shrink. And your top shrink Job, you have seen him above at work, is not up to the job! ;D poor the rest!As Soyinka would say, to exorcise this demon (Jakaswanga) who has disturbed the idyllic slumber of a lazy elite, the intellectual wing of Luo comprador consciousness needs medicinemen of stronger charms! Look at what I said below, topnotch, and try a topnotch response! These Luos who are bent on projecting a fictitious, propagandistic, electorally suitable image of Jaluos, are easily pushed on the defensive when our brothers like Joseph Kony and his generals from hell like Otti and Otto are refered to as Jaruos, even mad Jaruos! That is, the psychological depth to absorb and counter myths and biases from others is shaky!
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Post by jakaswanga on May 26, 2012 17:17:01 GMT 3
I am publicly calling on Oloo (admin) to take down this juvenille thread centered around Jakaswanga’s bloated ego. Unlike the mashadas of cyber, JUKWAA should be a forum for mature adults! If indeed JUKWAA still has a ZERO Tolerance policy for: Trash talkers, tribalists, racists, sexists, homophobes, religious bigots and cyberstalkers...then we must not have this thread on this board. Throwing in a few irrelevant names of Ugandan Luo does not veil the personalized and juvenille nature of this self-serving thread. Jakaswanga is clearly cyberstalking a few debators he disagreed with (Einstein, nalinali et al.) and using them as a basis to harass and disparage an entire community through misguided stereotypes and irrelevant claims. He thinks he is being clever by ‘baiting’ those he stereotypes as ‘insensitive Luos’ to this thread. How about the thread comes down!We should not entertain personalized threads dedicated to massaging individual egos or launching tribal bashes. Such nonsense does not qualify as debate. If JUKWAA were to succumb to this trend where fellas collectively lumpen a few debators who disagree with them – under stereotypic banners on seperate threads– we shall spiral straight into another mashada type forum. And for starters, the fact that Jakaswanga claims he is Luo { or writes copious amounts of unsolicited statements in Dholuo (laboriously followed by their translation into English)} does not necessarily mean he is Luo. He could be violating more of JUKWAA’s no-go zones for zero-tolerance. Why must someone exhibit a chronic need to remind their audience he can actually write in Dholuo? But even if Jakaswanga were a self-hating Luo (or part Luo) paradoxically manifesting some false consciousness – by constantly trying to appease and embrace the indictments of bigoted Luo-bashers – JUKWAA is not a free clinic for Stockholm syndrome. Jeeez! wow Job you said "And for starters, the fact that Jakaswanga claims he is Luo" I have other stuff to say about this, but for now I'd like to ask you if you can suggest what my kids should consider themselves. Luos, Merus, Canadians, Kenyans. How about your kids, are they luos? If they should ever critique the Luo elites will their voices be delegitimized by being cast as outsiders by other Luos? The technique of excommunication by origins --these are foreign ideologies and we are africans (Moi), is a pillar instrument in fascist and authoritarian ideology. The foreigner or other as a hate figure, the embodiment of all that which is bad and reprehensible. Authenticity is superiority is ascribed to the pure blood, and used to exclude the other! Put it another way, behind Raila could be some pure-blood Luos, and suspected lesser Luos like Jakaswanga would, with supremacist door-keepers like Job, be confined to the perimeter equivalents of Soviet Siberia! Perhaps some of us with various degrees of mixed blood know this instinctively, and is why we radically seek an ALL INCLUSIVE, LIBERTARIAN, EGALITARIAN, MERITOCRATIC, MODERNIZED LUO NATIONALISM!The analogy of stockholm syndrome reveals the pathological contempt the comprador Luo-asili habour and display toward, for instance, the assimilated Manyala peoples! It is a point worth pondering! Kathure, Job is no fool, and that he has found himself compelled to bring the issue of the mix of blood in my veins, should warn you of just how fierce, ruthless and blood-curdling the war, the civil war, within Luo nationalism really is! You can take this to the bank: this thread is not about Jakaswanga's ego!
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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 26, 2012 17:48:48 GMT 3
I am publicly calling on Oloo (admin) to take down this juvenille thread centered around Jakaswanga’s bloated ego. Unlike the mashadas of cyber, JUKWAA should be a forum for mature adults! If indeed JUKWAA still has a ZERO Tolerance policy for: Trash talkers, tribalists, racists, sexists, homophobes, religious bigots and cyberstalkers...then we must not have this thread on this board. Throwing in a few irrelevant names of Ugandan Luo does not veil the personalized and juvenille nature of this self-serving thread. Jakaswanga is clearly cyberstalking a few debators he disagreed with (Einstein, nalinali et al.) and using them as a basis to harass and disparage an entire community through misguided stereotypes and irrelevant claims. He thinks he is being clever by ‘baiting’ those he stereotypes as ‘insensitive Luos’ to this thread. How about the thread comes down!We should not entertain personalized threads dedicated to massaging individual egos or launching tribal bashes. Such nonsense does not qualify as debate. If JUKWAA were to succumb to this trend where fellas collectively lumpen a few debators who disagree with them – under stereotypic banners on seperate threads– we shall spiral straight into another mashada type forum. And for starters, the fact that Jakaswanga claims he is Luo { or writes copious amounts of unsolicited statements in Dholuo (laboriously followed by their translation into English)} does not necessarily mean he is Luo. He could be violating more of JUKWAA’s no-go zones for zero-tolerance. Why must someone exhibit a chronic need to remind their audience he can actually write in Dholuo? But even if Jakaswanga were a self-hating Luo (or part Luo) paradoxically manifesting some false consciousness – by constantly trying to appease and embrace the indictments of bigoted Luo-bashers – JUKWAA is not a free clinic for Stockholm syndrome. Jeeez! Job, [see my post to eistein above --in answer to what he sees as my habitual Luo tear-down!]. You are ordinarily clever on many subjects, and just as you should have the insight to know when you are going to swim with the sharks, you should care to know which subjects your mind jams at, and goes into a thinker's block. This one such subject where you are being an ace A followed by two S's! On nationalisms in Africa: you are going to shut up. I am calling Oloo, whom you want to banish me from Jukwaa, Dugashvilli for a reason outside your conceptions. There is a famous article called: on the question of nations on ethnic minorities and national consciousness in the USSR. I suspect Oloo is the only fellow on this board who has made a study of it. Look at you, poor Job, enraged to the point of denying my being Jaluos! Excommunicating me the way that Limuru dog of Kenyatta excommunicated Ngugi wa Thiong'o when he, Ngugi, offered an alternative understanding of FACING MOUNT KENYA! Doc, go back to where your mind might be more useful! Dialectical renditions on consciousness, nationalist or class, statal or parastatal, ne ok ong'adgo pendi!My ego is big! and I recognized long ago that here is where the big egos reside! that is why I am on Jukwaa where I find my matches! If you are no match, Adieu! but take a ringside seat. Seat baaaaaack and ........ Very well said mwalimu mwenzangu. Thats what the high priests of Jukwaa do all the time. When faced with issues that seem to destabilize their hold here, they either call on everyone else to ignore, label you and your thread or call for its yanking. You can see how Job has cleverly camouflaged his real intentions by pulling in the helpless Nalinalis, Einsteins and Johns to further his course. I am glad you could smell him from a far. More reason I take pride in mwalimus like you, even though it leaves Kathure very lonely and miserable.
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Post by johns on May 26, 2012 18:13:58 GMT 3
Job, [see my post to eistein above --in answer to what he sees as my habitual Luo tear-down!]. You are ordinarily clever on many subjects, and just as you should have the insight to know when you are going to swim with the sharks, you should care to know which subjects your mind jams at, and goes into a thinker's block. This one such subject where you are being an ace A followed by two S's! On nationalisms in Africa: you are going to shut up. I am calling Oloo, whom you want to banish me from Jukwaa, Dugashvilli for a reason outside your conceptions. There is a famous article called: on the question of nations on ethnic minorities and national consciousness in the USSR. I suspect Oloo is the only fellow on this board who has made a study of it. Look at you, poor Job, enraged to the point of denying my being Jaluos! Excommunicating me the way that Limuru dog of Kenyatta excommunicated Ngugi wa Thiong'o when he, Ngugi, offered an alternative understanding of FACING MOUNT KENYA! Doc, go back to where your mind might be more useful! Dialectical renditions on consciousness, nationalist or class, statal or parastatal, ne ok ong'adgo pendi!My ego is big! and I recognized long ago that here is where the big egos reside! that is why I am on Jukwaa where I find my matches! If you are no match, Adieu! but take a ringside seat. Seat baaaaaack and ........ . You can see how Job has cleverly camouflaged his real intentions by pulling in the helpless Nalinalis, Einsteins and Johns to further his course. Mwalimumkuu, I want to assure you that i am not helpless when it comes to responding to @ Jakaswanga and i need no help from anyone. As a matter of fact i had started to yesterday then i looked at the title of the thread and that did not sit well with me, so i simply shutdown. I may still come and respond to him about his so called NATIONALISM.
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Post by job on May 26, 2012 21:12:50 GMT 3
Job, [see my post to eistein above --in answer to what he sees as my habitual Luo tear-down!]. You are ordinarily clever on many subjects, and just as you should have the insight to know when you are going to swim with the sharks, you should care to know which subjects your mind jams at, and goes into a thinker's block. This one such subject where you are being an ace A followed by two S's! ....... This is exactly the kind of trash-talk that reduces debate to juvenille mashada-like rants and trivialities. Well, I have time today - I'll deal with it systematically. When you are wont to quickly call people names like AS.S and such, it reflects much about YOU than those you direct the matusi towards. I can grant you that no one person has a monopoly of matusi, but we just choose whether we want to turn this forum into another mashada. Probably that's your intention. For some who've graced this forum for a while, it's better to safeguard the board away from petty, trivial and juvenille exchanges of matusi. The very kind you feel entitled bringing here occasionally. You must clearly remember when you called politicalmaniac a M.F. (mo.ther.*er). You went ahead into a smart Aleck mode by claiming M.F simply meant "my friend". You may have your following that is thrilled and entertained by such antics, but I insist - bring any of your arguments clean from such sideshows. Rather than keep ignoring this habit that devalues a place for mature intellectual debate - I will insist on calling Oloo to remove useless threads that add no value to mature discourse. What makes you think you can shut me from discussing this topic? Is it some entilement or authority you monopolize which I don't know? Please educate and bedazzle me. Are you the pupil who shuts up and have the teacher talk all day or vice-versa - the teacher who shuts up and lets students give their views (many misguided). Take this from me. I will freely express myself in any topic I so wish - nationalisms in Africa included. It's pretty obvious your emotions easily cloud your reading (& interpretation) of my earlier post. Just where did I ask Oloo to banish you from Jukwaa. My post is still fresh up there. I simply asked (& continue to ask) Oloo to bring down this godarn useless thread. The two aren't synonymous. As for Dugashvilli, if he were that important to bring food to my table - you bet I would be singing Dugashvilli day in day out. Omera, do your thing with Dugashvilli, let me do mine. Listen to your arrogant self waxing about rage and denial. Who is poor Job to deny Jakaswanga his claim to Jaluo-ness? For Pete's sake, I don't freakin' know you Jakaswanga! I'll reiterate again, I'm not easily fooled by online monikers and animated cue-ing. You may be what you say or not - that's just the nature of cyber and it's attendants. Some work hard to make believe what they aren't and vice-versa. I will oblige buddy. That is exactly why I will quickly refer you to this lil' article (below) easily laid down in lay terms at wikipedia. It is definitely an area my mind knows something about:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hatredOk anyone who wants to join me, let's sit baaaaaack!!!!!!! and watch this thread dedicated to Jakaswanga's ego serve it's intended purpose! Be my guest!
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Post by OtishOtish on May 26, 2012 21:35:13 GMT 3
For the sake of peace, I will declare this one a draw. Let's go back to a sport that all can enjoy, e.g. beating up Miguna.
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