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Post by adongo12345 on May 24, 2007 22:49:26 GMT 3
Toronto-based Kenyan lawyer, Miguna Miguna, seeking the Nyando parliamentary seat is received by jubilant supporters at Ahero market when he launched his campaign for the seat on Wednesday. Miguna is also a regular newspaper columnist and political analyst Kenya Times May 25, 2007 |
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Post by maina on May 25, 2007 7:09:18 GMT 3
Even though Miguna is an avowed Raila-worshipper, I think he deserves the Nyando seat; not on the basis of his vehement praise and allegiance to the Luo overlord, but rather because he is a gorgeous spawn of that region, who, shall I hereby say, represents justice for the opressed in society, candor and incorruptibility of person, and admirable coruscation and wit.
Good luck Miguna!
Maina
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Post by kamalet on May 25, 2007 8:34:14 GMT 3
....and Jeff Koinange would also make a very good MP for Kiambaa as a good spawn of that area!!!!
Miguna is going to Nyando hanging on the coat tails of Raila rather than having done anything in the past to improve the lot of Nyando people! Hopefully we shall not have another season of banking slips from Ida determining who is the MP of a Luo Nyanza constituency.
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Post by adongo12345 on May 25, 2007 13:53:47 GMT 3
....and Jeff Koinange would also make a very good MP for Kiambaa as a good spawn of that area!!!! Miguna is going to Nyando hanging on the coat tails of Raila rather than having done anything in the past to improve the lot of Nyando people! Hopefully we shall not have another season of banking slips from Ida determining who is the MP of a Luo Nyanza constituency. Even by your low standards, this is a cheap shot. I didn't see Raila in that photo where Miguna is with the people of Nyando in Ahero market. Why can't the people of Nyando decide if Miguna has done anything to deserve their vote? Who are you to tell the Nyando constituents who is good for them. Are you from Nyando by any chance? And then you expose your hopeless tribalistic instincts talking about "Luo Nyanza constituency" What exactly is your problem with the Luos? Do you think they too have a right to live and to lead in Kenya or do they need to come and get permision from your office? Just asking. Adongo |
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Post by kamalet on May 25, 2007 18:17:47 GMT 3
[quote author=kamalet board=general thread=1180036166 post=1180071254 KamaleEven by your low standards, this is a cheap shot. I didn't see Raila in that photo where Miguna is with the people of Nyando in Ahero market. Why can't the people of Nyando decide if Miguna has done anything to deserve their vote? Who are you to tell the Nyando constituents who is good for them. Are you from Nyando by any chance? And then you expose your hopeless tribalistic instincts talking about "Luo Nyanza constituency" What exactly is your problem with the Luos? Do you think they too have a right to live and to lead in Kenya or do they need to come and get permision from your office? Just asking. Adongo Adongo, It was certainly a cheap shot on Miguna - even by my low standards. Guilty as charged. You are trying to be clever by half when you claim you did not see Raila in the photo, hence I should not have dragged his name! Of course the fellow was not in the photo, but you would like to ignore the statement I made about nomination certificates for banking slips. This was what happened in 2002, and you know it - hence my hope it is not the case with our Miguna! The people of Nyando like many other Kenyans will get the leaders they deserve if they elect the likes of Miguna. Finally, there is nothing tribal in anything I said, and as I have repeatedly said in this forum, it is only people with small minds or an inferiority complex who see tribalism even where it does not exist! The problem I highlighted did not exist in "kisii nyanza" so the distinction in this case was important. |
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Post by politicalmaniac on May 25, 2007 18:40:54 GMT 3
The big problem we have is the preservation of 'status quo-ism'.
Thats why these fellows are so miffed that MMiguna is running in Nyando.
the anti change advocates want the gravy train maintained for their ilk, as 'hii seri kali ni yao'.
MMiguna is an agent of change.
These anti MMiguna anti R folks fear change.
But change we need.
-No more secretive tribal cabals running things in secret from SH
-No more grand corruption.
-No more waste
-New constitutional dispensation
-Smarter MPs who can talk some sense in Parliament.
I am envious of M my neighbors in Nyanza.
A good crop of new emergent professionals are running.
I hope some make it through like MM above.
At least in Western we have 3 young professionals I know and two that I am fund raising for and supporting. I am very gratified and would wish more of Migunas ilk would run.
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Post by adongo12345 on May 25, 2007 20:53:24 GMT 3
[quote author=kamalet board=general thread=1180036166 post=1180071254 KamaleEven by your low standards, this is a cheap shot. I didn't see Raila in that photo where Miguna is with the people of Nyando in Ahero market. Why can't the people of Nyando decide if Miguna has done anything to deserve their vote? Who are you to tell the Nyando constituents who is good for them. Are you from Nyando by any chance? And then you expose your hopeless tribalistic instincts talking about "Luo Nyanza constituency" What exactly is your problem with the Luos? Do you think they too have a right to live and to lead in Kenya or do they need to come and get permission from your office? Just asking. Adongo Adongo, It was certainly a cheap shot on Miguna - even by my low standards. Guilty as charged. You are trying to be clever by half when you claim you did not see Raila in the photo, hence I should not have dragged his name! Of course the fellow was not in the photo, but you would like to ignore the statement I made about nomination certificates for banking slips. This was what happened in 2002, and you know it - hence my hope it is not the case with our Miguna! The people of Nyando like many other Kenyans will get the leaders they deserve if they elect the likes of Miguna. Finally, there is nothing tribal in anything I said, and as I have repeatedly said in this forum, it is only people with small minds or an inferiority complex who see tribalism even where it does not exist! The problem I highlighted did not exist in "kisii nyanza" so the distinction in this case was important. I don't think it is a crime yet in Kenya to be Raila's friend. Politics is a game of associations and networking. If Miguna is able to tap into whatever networks Raila may be privy to in Nyando, good for him. My point here is that we have seen a picture of Miguna with people from the constituency he is aspiring to represent in parliament. He seems to be pretty comfortable with his people. He has gone to them to ask for their votes. Isn't that what people are supposed to do. Why then would someone like you try to imply that Miguna can only get elected if Raila imposes him on the people of Nyando. I told you a long time ago, that there is nothing to stop you from registering as a voter in Nyando and vying for the same seat. May be Ida could help you clinch the seat. You want to give it a shot? As for tribalism, obviously you are in a high state of denial. That is okay. All that crap about "small minds" and "inferiority complex" just exposes further your limitations in dealing with the issue. That is the sad part. I have no problem with people talking about leaders being tribalists etc. I do that often. Where I draw the line is when people like you start maligning whole communities into some monolithic herd of sheep. That is good old tribalism and I will condemn it today and tomorrow. Right now Mungiki thugs are committing unspeakable crimes against Kenyans, chopping off people heads and defiling dead bodies to terrorize the public. Tribalists all over the net are using this as an excuse to bash the Kikuyu community as a whole and you and I know most of the victims of Mungiki are themselves from the same community. I don't see any difference between the tribalists using the Mungiki madness to malign Kikuyus and people like yourself who want to bash the Luo community for the so-called "sins" of Raila. The Luos are Kenyans by right not by mistake and they don't need the Kamales of this world to tell them what to do. Adongo. |
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Post by politicalmaniac on May 25, 2007 23:13:43 GMT 3
I hope kikiyus condemn Mungiki - in this here forum.
But THEY sure are fast to belittle benign political activities such support for R is AKA 'slavery'!
Get a grip folks!
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Post by aeichener on May 26, 2007 4:01:50 GMT 3
the anti change advocates want the gravy train maintained for their ilk That is true, in a sense. Whereas those who you very wrongly and duplicitously call agents of change, want to conquer the gravy train all for themselves. They feel it is their time to eat and to fill their bellies. I have no doubt that this constituency would benefit from getting rid of its old incumbent, for they have deserved better. Yet I have even less doubt that electing one Miguna Miguna Miguna would bid far worse for them. Alexander |
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Post by adongo12345 on May 26, 2007 6:13:03 GMT 3
the anti change advocates want the gravy train maintained for their ilk That is true, in a sense. Whereas those who you very wrongly and duplicitously call agents of change, want to conquer the gravy train all for themselves. They feel it is their time to eat and to fill their bellies. I have no doubt that this constituency would benefit from getting rid of its old incumbent, for they have deserved better. Yet I have even less doubt that electing one Miguna Miguna Miguna would bid far worse for them. Alexander What actually do you know about Nyando Constituency and the people who live there? What if any are the common things you as a person share with the people of Nyando? And finally, would you have any interest in Nyando if "Miguna Miguna Miguna" was not contesting for the seat? Mind you there are 209 other parliamentary constiturncies in Kenya. Those are my few questions. Holding! Adongo |
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Post by aeichener on May 26, 2007 15:09:32 GMT 3
Wrong question.
The right question would be: what do I how about Miguna?
More than enough, alas. About Miguna the lawyer and Miguna the man.
That is what gives foundation to my judgement.
Alexander
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Post by kamalet on May 28, 2007 8:32:09 GMT 3
Adongo,
An extract from Wikipedia:
The word "tribalism" can refer to two related but distinct concepts.
The first is a social system where human society is divided into small, roughly independent subgroups, called tribes. Tribal societies lacked any organizational level beyond that of the local tribe, with each tribe consisting only of a very small, local population. The internal social structure of a tribe can vary greatly from case to case, but, due to the small size of tribes, it is always a relatively simple structure, with few (if any) significant social distinctions between individuals. Some tribes are particularly egalitarian, and most tribes have only a vague notion of private property; many have none at all. A shared sense of identity and kinship encourages the development of kin selection. Tribalism has also been sometimes been called "primitive communism" but this is rather misleading since allegiance to a communist state is not based on kin-selective altruism. One thing that is certain is that tribalism is the very first social system that human beings ever lived in, and it has lasted much longer than any other kind of society to date.
The other concept to which the word "tribalism" frequently refers is the possession of a strong cultural or ethnic identity that separates oneself as a member of one group from the members of another. This phenomenon is related to the concept of tribal society in that it is a precondition for members of a tribe to possess a strong feeling of identity for a true tribal society to form. The distinction between these two definitions for tribalism is an important one because, while tribal society no longer strictly exists in the western world, tribalism, by this second definition, is arguably undiminished. People have postulated that the human brain is hard-wired towards tribalism due to its evolutionary advantages
You will note that the Mungiki problem that Politicalmaniac would like "some kikiyus in this forum" to condemn is still very much a Kikuyu problem when one murderous group of gikuyus is beheading another lot of gikuyus purely for commercial reasons and certainly not for political reasons!
Back to Miguna Miguna. I think what you should be looking at is the reasons that drive one who has not been with the community for ages to start believing that he is an option to lead them (and I do not think 3 visits or so a year is sufficient time to know the problems of an area). I am probably wrong, but I also think Raila links helping Miguna is not any different to the same cries we have had of Raila imposing leaders on the people. That the people are beholden to the man is pretty much the same as what you refer to sheep mentality!
As I said, if the people of Nyando elect Miguna, they will have a leader they deserve - but I aslo hope that the intellectual in Miguna will not be reduced to the parrot behavior we see in leading Luo intellectuals like Professor Anyang Nyong'o and Anyieny. The people of Nyando require better leadership where development and not press conferences and pretence to being professional mourners which is the forte of current crop of leaders from that area!
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Post by johns on May 28, 2007 9:53:36 GMT 3
Kamalet,
You take tribalism to a new level, here you go on with your Luo bashing and yet fail to even point the sycophancy the kikuyu leaders have exhibited towards the gravy train of Kibaki. I have only one concern here: Out of 4million souls residing in Central Kenya, can't they find a single competent kikuyu who can stand on a national platform and fight for the soul of this country but not their stomachs? How can they put their money on damaged goods (KIBAKI) and expect BUYERS?
You gloss over the failures of this president like an afterthought and expect anybody with a right of mind to listen to the puke you keep vomiting about leadership from Nyanza. Your ilk talks about 6% growth of kibakis economy unfortunately nobody beside the Mt.kenya Mafias notice this growth. How does one expect to con kenyans with a mirage growth when we all know well that growth only occurs in an environment of security; something he seem to have no idea of how to provide?
We havent talked yet about outright stealing, a thing this president appear to have perfected as an art, just look at the promisory note saga and ask yourself if you still want us to re-elect this man for another five years of same?
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Post by kamalet on May 28, 2007 16:21:58 GMT 3
Kamalet, You take tribalism to a new level, here you go on with your Luo bashing and yet fail to even point the sycophancy the kikuyu leaders have exhibited towards the gravy train of Kibaki. I have only one concern here: Out of 4million souls residing in Central Kenya, can't they find a single competent kikuyu who can stand on a national platform and fight for the soul of this country but not their stomachs? How can they put their money on damaged goods (KIBAKI) and expect BUYERS? I do not think you understand Kikuyus well enough! Unlike many other communities, Kikuyus are not beholden to Kibaki as to be told who to elect. Whilst they will elect one of their own, just like happened in 1997 when each presidential candidate had the total backing of their communities, they are never directed (either through bribery or being relatives) to elect so and so - unless you wish to deny this is what happened in Nyanza in 2002! That is why in all elections since 1992, Kikuyus have voted for different parties irrespective of the presidential candidate! Is it tribalism when all Luos (beholden as they are!!!) to vote for Raila to a man like they did in 1997 or his father in 1992? Is it tribalism when Kisiis voted to a man for Nyachaew in 2002 or when all Kambas voted for Ngilu in 1997 or when the Kalenjin voted for Moi en masse in both 1992 and 1997? Why is it only tribalism when the Kikuyu vote for Kibaki or Matiba? You do not have to vote for Kibaki - whom I am proud to have voted for in each election since 1992 - but who ever you vote for, do not do so on account of his tribe, but on account of his credentials as a leader. That is how we should all do it...not passing judgement that Kamale votes for Kibaki because he is kikuyu! You gloss over the failures of this president like an afterthought and expect anybody with a right of mind to listen to the puke you keep vomiting about leadership from Nyanza. Your ilk talks about 6% growth of kibakis economy unfortunately nobody beside the Mt.kenya Mafias notice this growth. How does one expect to con kenyans with a mirage growth when we all know well that growth only occurs in an environment of security; something he seem to have no idea of how to provide? As long as you are angry, you fail to be reasonable. As far as you are concerned it is only the thieving Kikuyus that see any growth in the economy. But again, sadly you cannot say what you claim with a straight face. There is certain evidence of economic growth - some prefer recovery - and this has been backed by many people including Kenya's development partners. There is obviously no expectation that these changes will be felt by all Kenyans in the small time recovery has been on - but if you wish to use this for political purposes, then the people of Kibera can claim to no such changes.....and we all know why :-) We havent talked yet about outright stealing, a thing this president appear to have perfected as an art, just look at the promisory note saga and ask yourself if you still want us to re-elect this man for another five years of same? With the amount of stealing that you claim, why is it the government is collecting more taxes than it ever did. How come so much is being made available to CDF and other development projects if 'stealing' is as is widespread as you claim? I am not convinced that Mwalimu Mati is the utmost authority in understanding government work and how to find corruption in the promissory notes - especially when they still have not been paid! Finally, with a little bit of civility, you can still make your point and be heard!! Lessons of life to be learnt Bw. Johns. |
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Post by miguna on May 29, 2007 13:50:51 GMT 3
I am just delighted to report that more than 15,000 Nyando voters turned out, blocked the Nairbi/Kisumu road, welcomed me and celebrated with me for more than 5 hours on 23 May 2007 when I officially lanched my campaign. It was unprecented!
On May 26th, 2007, more than 5,000 Nyando voters turned up for the finals of the MIGUNA MIGUNA TOURNAMENT at Karanda Primary School, where 11 soccer teams competed and won different prizes!
I've toured the width and beadth of Nyando and is continuing to meet and speak with fellow constituents and Kenyans.
Last week, I accompanied The Agwambo on the Kisii tour. I spoke with, met and listened to both "ordinary" Kenyans and their leaders.
Everywhere I've visited, the message is the same: People want positive change! And that's what I will give them, naysayers, notwithstanding!
So, it does not surprise me that retrogressive agents against change have opened up different fronts to fight the people and the agents of change leading the way.
The people of Nyando are trooping to my side in their tens of thousands, and no amount of nonsensical propaganda will change that.
At the ed of the day, only them and history will judge my contributions ; not some self-styled idlers calling themselves critics.
TO THOSE WHO SUPPORT MY AND THE PEOPLE'S CAUSE LIKE AO, PM, JOB, JOHNS, OO, ETC - THANK YOU! THE STRUGGLE CONTINUES.
MM [unedited]
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Post by aeichener on May 29, 2007 17:46:25 GMT 3
Fine. Miguna Miguna Miguna will probably interpret this as an Anointed Liidaah finally having found his grateful sheep. Anointed by THE Agwambo (duly with the capitalized article).
Other will conclude that people in Nyando do not have much in terms of events and spectacles, and are glad about the least thing even a bit out of ordinary.
"Nyando is either the poorest or one of the poorest Districts in Kenya. The average monthly income is close to $.50 cents. Most residents live in mud walled and grass thatched tiny huts that face devastating ravages of the floods annually.
There is no infrastructure to speak of in Nyando. There are no tarmacked roads; no piped water and electricity for residents; and no telephone service to the local people."
Alexander
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Post by adongo12345 on May 29, 2007 19:46:59 GMT 3
Fine. Miguna Miguna Miguna will probably interpret this as an Anointed Liidaah finally having found his grateful sheep. Anointed by THE Agwambo (duly with the capitalized article). Other will conclude that people in Nyando do not have much in terms of events and spectacles, and are glad about the least thing even a bit out of ordinary. "Nyando is either the poorest or one of the poorest Districts in Kenya. The average monthly income is close to $.50 cents. Most residents live in mud walled and grass thatched tiny huts that face devastating ravages of the floods annually.
There is no infrastructure to speak of in Nyando. There are no tarmacked roads; no piped water and electricity for residents; and no telephone service to the local people."Alexander Alexander Stop insulting the people of Nyando. Nobody needs your condencending attitude. Actually it says more about you than the Nyando people. Who told you that the people of Nyando are desperate for events and spectacles. Nyando like so many parts of Kenya is at once one of the poorest places on earth and also one of the richest. Nyando has some of the richest soil in the universe because it benefits from soil deposits from the rivers pouring their water into Lake Victoria. The rivers and the waters are both a blessing and a curse. A blessing because used properly they could provide for a very viable commercial and subsistence agriculture. A curse because due to STATE neglect the rivers are famous for endless floods that have pounded the area for decades. In reality even though a more development concious and creative M.P could do a lot to make people's lives there better, what is needed is some heavy duty infrastructure development including building a viable dam system. Also you cannot just take Nyando in isolation from neighbouring Muhoroni, Kericho, Kisumu etc. Like I have said many times development is not a piece of bread some M.P puts in his brief case and delivers to the people. This is the nonsense everybody is talking about and it is a fallacy. Even the CDF, needs a major rethink. Everybody is yapping about how they are going to use the CDF to build roads, build schools, build bridges (in Nyando may be build dams) build hospitals etc. What the heck hapenned to the rest of the 97.5% of the national budget? The CDF as it is is a drop in the desert. In Nairobi for example every M.P is building toilets. Tons of them. That is development right? Has it ever occured to at least even one M.P in Nairobi that the real problem is lack of a proper sewage system in Nairobi. Nairobi City is using a sewage system designed (in the 1950's) for the few rich and middle class folks is a city overun with slums and unplanned settlements that now is home to something like 60% of the Nairobi population. Building hundreds of toilets for these people is a wasteful band aid. But people urgently need somewhere to pielo so up goes the toilets and then we have song and dance every time a toilet is opened. I hope they have written plaques on every toilet door saying this "pielo kiosk" was opened by Mheshimiwa so and so. We need to put in place a system where we synchronise the CDF money with the national development plans and strategy. We need to put real money in major infrastructure including dams. I don't know any country in the world where community and national development is the sole responsibility of local M.P's. We neeed to get a better grip of what we can expect from our M.P's and we must get from the government of the day. I would have said more, but Iam in a hurry. We all have to make a living. But Alexander's madharau must stop. It is annoying. Adongo. |
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Post by denno on May 29, 2007 19:56:33 GMT 3
Miguna has every right to vie forthe Nyando seat, Kamale's argument about his absense does not hold water. I think the right question would be what will Miguna do for the folks of Nyando? Here we are with prospective candidate who has been a contributor to the forum- the best we can do is hold him to account, have him give us his platform. Remember if he wins, we just might be discussing his contribution or lack thereoff in parliament. miguna I read your 12 point vision for Nyando and I must say that it looks very academic and almost all former Nyando MPs have espoused the same visions. I would like to see the how.... You have some lofty visions - where will the funding come from? The floods in Nyando - how do you plan totally eradicating them? (this i must say is a herculen task) I would prefer you be realistic and say contol the floods as opposed to eradicate |
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Post by denno on May 29, 2007 19:57:01 GMT 3
Miguna has every right to vie forthe Nyando seat, Kamale's argument about his absense does not hold water. I think the right question would be what will Miguna do for the folks of Nyando? Here we are with prospective candidate who has been a contributor to the forum- the best we can do is hold him to account, have him give us his platform. Remember if he wins, we just might be discussing his contribution or lack thereoff in parliament. miguna I read your 12 point vision for Nyando and I must say that it looks very academic and almost all former Nyando MPs have espoused the same visions. I would like to see the how.... You have some lofty visions - where will the funding come from? The floods in Nyando - how do you plan totally eradicating them? (this i must say is a herculen task) I would prefer you be realistic and say contol the floods as opposed to eradicate |
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Post by aeichener on May 29, 2007 23:29:40 GMT 3
Alexander Stop insulting the people of Nyando. Nobody needs your condescending attitude. Actually it says more about you than the Nyando people. Please, for all your newly adopted boot-kissing and bigmanist attitude of a former progressive, for which change you may have your reasons: Be not as silly as to overlook that the Italic phrase is a literal quotation from MigunaMiguna's own website. And who is condescending there? IMO, the wannabe liidaah seeking gullible and sufficiently poor sheep to elect him. Alexander |
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Post by aeichener on May 29, 2007 23:42:04 GMT 3
I think the right question would be what will Miguna do for the folks of Nyando? (...) miguna I read your 12 point vision for Nyando and I must say that it looks very academic and almost all former Nyando MPs have espoused the same visions. I would like to see the how.... You have some lofty visions - where will the funding come from? The floods in Nyando - how do you plan totally eradicating them? (this I must say is a Herculean task) I would prefer you be realistic and say control the floods as opposed to eradicate Let us not be unfair to Miguna Miguna Miguna Esq. Being fair to him is devastating enough. Here is his plan for his constituency in his own words: "In addition, I strongly believe that economic impoverishment, infrastructural backwardness and perennial flooding can be eradicated through proper planning, practical and technological solutions. These include the complete demarcation of all the land and issuance of title deeds to owners so that these can be used to access debt finance and other financial facilities for the productive use of the land. The construction of all weather roads throughout the constituency will allow free flow of goods and people, which ultimately encourages productive exercises such as trade, commerce and industry.
Similarly, the deepening of River Nyando's bed, the construction of dams and dýkes as well as the opening up of the river's entry into the lake will permanently eliminate floods as a major disruptive element in Nyando Constituency. If The Netherlands (Holland) have managed to effectively control and manage floods despite most of it being situated below the sea-level; there is no reason why we cannot do the same (especially because we are not below the sea level)."Now, constructing dams (to hold back water) and dýkes (to control its flowth) is neither a novel nor an original idea (every 10-year-old herdsboy in Nyando is be able to come up with the same proposal), but it is a reasonable and good idea. So the question is: how will the candidate finance this? As to empowering people, micro-finance seems promising. What does the candidate propose? Lastly, title deeds are but pieces of paper, which are part of the problem, and not its solution. What kind of land reform and legal reform of the land law does the candidate espouse? Alexander |
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Post by adongo12345 on May 29, 2007 23:56:24 GMT 3
Alexander Stop insulting the people of Nyando. Nobody needs your condescending attitude. Actually it says more about you than the Nyando people. Please, for all your newly adopted boot-kissing and bigmanist attitude of a former progressive, for which change you may have your reasons: Be not as silly as to overlook that the Italic phrase is a literal quotation from MigunaMiguna's own website. And who is condescending there? IMO, the wannabe liidaah seeking gullible and sufficiently poor sheep to elect him. Alexander Alexander, obviously you have big problems you need to deal with, may be with some urgency. Nobody is talking about whatever is in the Italics, I have read the website myself. I am talking about this "Fine. Miguna Miguna Miguna will probably interpret this as an Anointed Liidaah finally having found his grateful sheep. Anointed by THE Agwambo (duly with the capitalized article). Other will conclude that people in Nyando do not have much in terms of events and spectacles, and are glad about the least thing even a bit out of ordinary" I think you trying to hard to be the "smart alek". It won't work here. Adongo. |
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Post by aeichener on May 30, 2007 0:14:15 GMT 3
Above, I had asked: "So the question is: how will the candidate finance this?"
That was a short-sighted question. And the candidate has already answered in in another place of his website. He suggested:
"A significant portion of income tax collected locally should go directly towards infrastructure development such as road construction, schools and health care."
Very good. But wait. Didn't he also state: "Nyando is either the poorest or one of the poorest Districts in Kenya. The average monthly income is close to $.50 cents."
So much for income tax. Duh.
Alexander
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Post by adongo12345 on May 30, 2007 0:59:49 GMT 3
Above, I had asked: "So the question is: how will the candidate finance this?" That was a short-sighted question. And the candidate has already answered in in another place of his website. He suggested: "A significant portion of income tax collected locally should go directly towards infrastructure development such as road construction, schools and health care." Very good. But wait. Didn't he also state: "Nyando is either the poorest or one of the poorest Districts in Kenya. The average monthly income is close to $.50 cents." So much for income tax. Duh. Alexander One of the most important forms of taxation in any country is sales tax. Here in Canada they call it General Sales Tax (GST). It is 7% on every thing you buy except farm produce. Also in Canada every province levies another 8% called the Provincial Sales Tax (PST). That means the two levels of government in Canada collects 15% on everything we buy. There are also what Candians call "sin taxes" on cigarettes and alcohol. In Kenya we have Value Added Tax (VAT). Every person who buys anything regardless of their income pays VAT. It forms a big chunk of government revenue. Unlike Canada where they have devolved powers allowing the provinces to retain 8% of Sales Taxes, in Kenya all the money goes to the Treasury for the big boys to play with. With devolution all that is going to change big time. The regions will have to retain a big part of the VAT. That is just one item. There are a thousand other ways to help regions and local communities generate revenue. We just have to think outside the box. Also like I said before, the idea that M.P's should raise money to build infrastructure is bizzare. It deosn't happen anywhere in the world. M.P's should come with legislative and other initiatives to promote national productivity and growth and ensure we have equitable utilization of that revenue. If we want M.P's to generate revenue locally to finance development in their areas then we should set up taxation centres in every constituency and allow every M.P to have channels to negotiate for foreign loans and grants and also access domestic borrowing facilities like "Village Treasury Bonds". I think we still have a country called Kenya. We need our M.P's to make it function better. It is not that hard. Adongo. |
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Post by politicalmaniac on May 30, 2007 2:08:39 GMT 3
Its called Leadership folks.
Thats why I am puzzled when gazzillionaires like the illiterate minister Njenga or Me-chuki arent pumelled by their 'nyomba' mates to "help the poor", but when R spends money on 'siasa' he is reviled and castigated for 'wasting' pesa!!
Now, R is not into handouts
He has built from scratch a factory that employs hundreds and feeds thousands.
Yet his critics never remember to mention that.
MPs are supposed to offer concrete plans and visions for their constituencies based on their peculiar needs and funds from the treasury.
MPs are supposed to listen to their people and channel thier concerns to the GOVT
MPs are supposed to make laws that will enable the governing the country to proceed smoothly and fairly.
But 'building' stuff using their individual resources is not the role of MPs.
Its the role of the GOVT using taxes raised from the people.
R wants these taxes using in an equitable manner, unlike the present system where the Min Of Finance is filled with folks from one area and it is they who lord over the divvying up of these resources.
Damn them
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