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Post by tom on Jun 15, 2012 20:02:42 GMT 3
Here comes Ja Nyando, the proudest of all proudsters with chilling details about Raila Odinga.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jun 15, 2012 20:36:49 GMT 3
Here comes Ja Nyando, the proudest of all proudsters with chilling details about Raila Odinga. xxxxxxxxxx Tom:Please do not post things on Jukwaa which will put me in legal hot soup. What you posted and which I deleted is FAKE.What is the hurry folks? The book is coming out in about two weeks from now. It will be available for sale and a major media house is going to serialize it. Jukwaa is not one of those cesspools where anything goes. If you will recall, about six months ago I kicked out somebody who posted similar balderdash purporting to be from Miguna's book- and he had not even finished writing it! Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator
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Post by tom on Jun 16, 2012 12:37:33 GMT 3
Onyi
My sincerest apologies if indeed what I had posted wasn't excerpts from the real deal.
For a while I thought the book was so juicy the guys in the black market could not wait to share its contents with the public.
I will be more careful next time.
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Post by phil on Jun 19, 2012 16:49:56 GMT 3
Here comes Ja Nyando, the proudest of all proudsters with chilling details about Raila Odinga. xxxxxxxxxx Tom:Please do not post things on Jukwaa which will put me in legal hot soup. What you posted and which I deleted is FAKE.What is the hurry folks? The book is coming out in about two weeks from now. It will be available for sale and a major media house is going to serialize it. Jukwaa is not one of those cesspools where anything goes. If you will recall, about six months ago I kicked out somebody who posted similar balderdash purporting to be from Miguna's book- and he had not even finished writing it! Onyango Oloo Jukwaa AdministratorOloo, We did not get to read this, kwani ilikua nini? I am largely in agreement with @roughrider in so far as this peeling publication is concerned. Let's wait and see.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jun 20, 2012 12:35:46 GMT 3
Oloo, We did not get to read this, kwani ilikua nini? I am largely in agreement with @roughrider in so far as this peeling publication is concerned. Let's wait and see. Phil:Well, if you didn't, then I partially succeeded in my objective. Onyango Oloo
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Post by topnotch on Jun 27, 2012 19:51:10 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jun 27, 2012 20:27:46 GMT 3
And here is the official invitation: Attachments:
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 27, 2012 20:33:56 GMT 3
Like I said, Mutunga can be a funny guy.
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Post by Omwenga on Jun 27, 2012 20:42:13 GMT 3
Topnotch,I read that and thought it was a joke or some publicity stunt without the CJ's approval and remain of that view until it actually happens in which case I'll pen a blog providing 1000 reasons why that's inappropriate and wrong. On the other hand, I can think of one reason why the CJ would do this that makes a lot of sense but would rather keep that to myself and those I share privately for there are things it's ill-advised to discuss publicly, including those strategically imprudent to so discuss.
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 27, 2012 20:59:11 GMT 3
It is obvious, from other news, that Mutunga has some current distractions, but he should still take the time to think.
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Post by abdulmote on Jun 27, 2012 21:21:05 GMT 3
I think this is a wrong decision by the CJ.
It is already a well known fact that Miguna’s book will heavily dwell on criticisms targeted at our PM Raila Odinga. Whether the contents will appear to be true or mere fantasy is immaterial.
By virtue of his position, the CJ must appear to be neutral and not affiliated to any political leanings, parties or individuals. His imminent appearance at the book’s launch, naturally and clearly goes against such a fundamental necessity. If it is indeed true that the CJ has accepted such an invitation, it is but a disgrace to the office of the CJ and he ought to reconsider and recant the same without wasting any more time.
Miguna of course can then rearrange for another suitable figure to attend his book’s launch.
I wish Miguna every success in his endeavours.
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Post by tnk on Jun 27, 2012 21:34:33 GMT 3
Topnotch,I read that and thought it was a joke or some publicity stunt without the CJ's approval and remain of that view until it actually happens in which case I'll pen a blog providing 1000 reasons why that's inappropriate and wrong. On the other hand, I can think of one reason why the CJ would do this that makes a lot of sense but would rather keep that to myself and those I share privately for there are things it's ill-advised to discuss publicly, meaning strategically imprudent to so discuss. omwenga, topnotch you guys are right, at face value it would appear that the either CJ is taking a huge gamble (assuming he is not privy to the content), or he is privy to the content and therefore has no issues associating with its launch, or like omwenga states, this is could just be a major PR gimmick i doubt that miguna can engage in PR gimmick of that magnitude but then again, cash speaks a different language my bet is more on that mutunga knows the content and has no problem associating with its launch. to imagine that he would launch a potential disaster unknowingly would rather dent his image anyway i have always maintained that the first real deal has been and still remains, "the core content of the book" and how this message is delivered much has been said about how it reveals the backroom deals in the corridors of power, and exposes the "inner working" of the ruling elite. and what not. well that remains to be seen. i know and said previously that whereas people love and enjoy juicy rumors, noone will go out of their way to pay for it. (only agencies such as NSIS does that and manufactures a few of their own hehehe it is their job after all) i have no doubt that miguna may have some material information, and i also think he can deliver through an engaging literary discourse. i would like to believe that the book makes for a worthy read, but will keep my options open till i have a chance to read some excerpts so far all we have are rumors, some even from miguna. also we will need to interrogate the material separating fact from fiction and from perception, as well catch the usual "i am larger than life" that all writers will tend to do as they exaggerate their own self importance/worth. we have already seen this with miguna, but that in itself is no crime, we all do it one way or another am giving miguna benefit of doubt till i get my hands on the book in any case, the long period of time between when it was announced (when he left PM's office) and launch (almost one year later) already killed the first fruit of juicy rumor/gossip i.e it has to be hot and breaking news and either happened yesterday, just a few moments ago, or is actually happening now as we speak. element of surprise is far gone.
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 27, 2012 21:39:32 GMT 3
so far all we have are rumors, some even from miguna. It would be very unfortunate if Miguna is peddling rumours and using Onyango Oloo as an unwitting tool. (In note that Miguna never deigns to come down from the mountain-top and always uses a "sudsidiary", OO, to deliver his messages.)
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Post by tnk on Jun 27, 2012 21:44:15 GMT 3
so far all we have are rumors, some even from miguna. It would be very unfortunate if Miguna is peddling rumours and using Onyango Oloo as an unwitting tool. hehehe good catch, let me clarify that they remain rumors to me until i get the real deal. those who have already seen the manuscripts etc. well good for them
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jun 28, 2012 2:01:50 GMT 3
[It would be very unfortunate if Miguna is peddling rumours and using Onyango Oloo as an unwitting tool. (In note that Miguna never deigns to come down from the mountain-top and always uses a "sudsidiary", OO, to deliver his messages.) Otishotish:I am getting more and more fascinated with your growing obsession with Onyango Oloo. On a very separate note, Dr. Willy Mutunga and Miguna Miguna are friends. When the current Chief Justice was polishing up his doctorate at the Osgoode Law School at York University in northern Toronto in the early nineties, Miguna Miguna was also slaving away at his Law degree in the same institution. In fact both were residents of separate apartments in the Assiniboine quarters of York for those Kenyans who are familiar with that campus. Along with James Karanja, Omondi Obanda, Onyango Oloo, Adong'o Ogony, Kathure Kebaara and other progressive Kenyans both helped formed the Committee for Democracy in Kenya in 1992 which contributed to the struggle against Moi's one party dictatorship in those days. Willy was our convener and mentor. To the curious, it is a matter of historical record that Miguna Miguna in his capacity as Advisor to the Prime Minister helped to galvanize Raila Odinga and the ODM to root for Dr. Willy Mutunga for Chief Justice position. Willy has always been a friend of Raila (remember his role in NARC about ten years ago?) and I do not think that his participation in Miguna's book launch will destroy that friendship. In any case, I suspect that the Prime Minister may have been among the very first persons to know who the chief guest would be on July 14th. As for Onyango Oloo, my friendship with Miguna has not affected my close ties to some influential behind the scenes figures in ODM-including some prominent Jukwaaists that I prefer not to name. Onyango Oloo Nairobi
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 28, 2012 2:49:08 GMT 3
Comrade OO: I am not obssesed with OO. I am merely mindful of the pain of banishment, and that is something I wish to avoid going through again. I am also curious as to how Miguna manages to get you to do his deliveries, but I think it would be wise not to ask too many questions there.
Mutunga's participation at launch might not destroy his friendship with Raila, but that is not why some of us are concerned about it. Mutunga's role and the significance of anything he does go well beyond his "personal business"; his Deputy has learned that the hard way. Regardless of who the occupants are, we must separate the persons from the public offices that they hold; even taking into count the "delicate" nature of the PM's office, those offices have obligations that go beyond "passing" individuals. I know such separation is hard in a country like ours, but we must learn to do it.
I am aware that OO, MM, CJ. etc. have a "history" that goes way back. I once read a book, by Le Carre, in which one of the main characters (a starving, alleged terrorist from one of those X-stan countries) pops up, out of nowhere, to demand assistance from the other main character (a rich, well-fed banker in Switzerland) on the grounds that "our fathers were thieves together". The latter obliges. Le Carre spins a fine tale, and the reader is left with a lingering question: is the banker doing this to maintain the "honour" of their thieving parents, or is it because he thinks that the terrorist might know that he got to where he is by laundering the money their parents stole together? Me myself, I was fascinated by the idea of "thieves honour" surviving into a new generation. I'm a soft-edged guy, and I like fairy-tales and happy endings; better thieves-honour than no honour at all. Never mind ... I'm sure that the lot of you were into only very honourable things and bonded from having been in the trenches together, etc., etc., etc. In a situation like that, people can gather very serious juice on other people, to be used like a parachute---in the event of an emergency. But I like the idea of through thick and thin; that's what friendship is about. Very noble.
For now it's best to wait until we read the book. We'll then beat up Miguna because it is cheap way to have fun; and I will beat up Mutunga because he cost my relatives time and money with his failure to plan. And then there's Uhuru, Ruto, another huge scan to be revealed. August is going to be a very busy month.
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Post by patriotism101 on Jun 28, 2012 5:28:54 GMT 3
The CJ continues to make poor choices of how he conducts himself in public and the perception he is creating by his conduct. Now before CJ's supporters jump on me, let me clear the air. I am cognizant of his right to associate with whoever he deems fit and it not my business to pretend to know who he should be dining and wining with. The law is very clear and I am sure CJ is very much aware of the law. But isn't all about perception, by the public? OO has laid out very clearly the depth of the friendship between MM, the CJ and other Kenyan economic/political refugees in Toronto. That the CJ is launching MM's book should be very exciting. Suppose Mutunga was not the CJ, could MM have invited him to launch the book? Is MM exploiting their friendship for a financial gain- or is it a friend sorting out a friend? Isn't this the biggest problem we have in Kenya where leaders/people in positions of authority use their positions to return a favor? The CJ is the head of the Judiciary- in fact and perception. He represents the judiciary where MM has a case pending against the government of Kenya- to the street vendor, the CJ is the Judiciary- that is the perception whether right or wrong. So how can the CJ justify his winning and dining with a complainant one MM? Not to mention the fact that the book will potentially lead to a law suit- is the CJ willing to be a witness in any such law suit? This to me is total lack of judgment on the part of one Willy Mutunga. I am seriously starting to question his state of mind when he makes these decisions. Friendship should have zero influence on how he conducts the affairs of the office of CJ. Yea he may be doing it as a private citizen and not as the CJ, so do politicians when they engage in corruption , cronysm and tribalism. Other instances where the CJ has shown lack of wisdom include how to handle his divorce proceedings and running to Moi on his appointment to promise the old man that he will not be haunted by the new judiciary. In regards to the divorce proceedings, Mutunga should have excused himself from the JSC and requested that the JSC make a temporary appointment of either a retired judge or a judge from the commonwealth to hear the case. Again it is all about perception and not because the judge hearing the case is not independent. The judge should not only be independent but he/she should be seen to be independent. My plea to the CJ is for him to decline the invitation- if not for himself, for perception's sake- let him be careful who he associates with and should be okay even if friends and fores claim he has forsaken them. Being a CJ should be a very lonely job- that is the sacrifice he must be prepared to give the country Kenyan. There is still time for MM to invite another chief guest. Am sure Uhuruto will jump to the possibility Sen ti 5
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Post by b6k on Jun 28, 2012 9:56:49 GMT 3
Suppose Mutunga was not the CJ, could MM have invited him to launch the book? Is MM exploiting their friendship for a financial gain- or is it a friend sorting out a friend? Isn't this the biggest problem we have in Kenya where leaders/people in positions of authority use their positions to return a favor? The CJ is the head of the Judiciary- in fact and perception. He represents the judiciary where MM has a case pending against the government of Kenya- to the street vendor, the CJ is the Judiciary- that is the perception whether right or wrong. So how can the CJ justify his winning and dining with a complainant one MM? Not to mention the fact that the book will potentially lead to a law suit- is the CJ willing to be a witness in any such law suit? This to me is total lack of judgment on the part of one Willy Mutunga. I am seriously starting to question his state of mind when he makes these decisions. Friendship should have zero influence on how he conducts the affairs of the office of CJ. Yea he may be doing it as a private citizen and not as the CJ, so do politicians when they engage in corruption , cronysm and tribalism. Other instances where the CJ has shown lack of wisdom include how to handle his divorce proceedings and running to Moi on his appointment to promise the old man that he will not be haunted by the new judiciary. In regards to the divorce proceedings, Mutunga should have excused himself from the JSC and requested that the JSC make a temporary appointment of either a retired judge or a judge from the commonwealth to hear the case. Again it is all about perception and not because the judge hearing the case is not independent. The judge should not only be independent but he/she should be seen to be independent. My plea to the CJ is for him to decline the invitation- if not for himself, for perception's sake- let him be careful who he associates with and should be okay even if friends and fores claim he has forsaken them. Being a CJ should be a very lonely job- that is the sacrifice he must be prepared to give the country Kenyan. There is still time for MM to invite another chief guest. Am sure Uhuruto will jump to the possibility Sen ti 5 Hear hear, P101! Was it former AG Amos Wako who I once heard saying he didn't have a social life (ie, he wouldn't be seen galavanting around Nairobi's numerous watering-holes painting the town red with pals)? There are some jobs where it MUST be lonely at the top. The individual who is fortunate (or one might argue, unfortunate) enough to get such a post is usually well compensated for the social isolation as he can meet all obligations for his family's needs legally from his salary. Judges & advocates in countries where institutions work often recuse themselves from handling matters in which they may know one of the parties involved & feel they may have a conflict of interest. The CJ should man up & dump MM on this book launch, unless that is, the duo are tied at the hip in some masonic type of brotherhood. If that's the case then God help KE because who is to say that a tyranny of the "progressives" will be any better than the tyranny of those they replace. Besides, what if RAO wins the next general elections? Won't the very same CJ be in the awkward position of having to swear him in? Interesting times indeed....
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jun 28, 2012 11:36:54 GMT 3
Here is a text message from Miguna Miguna responding to some of the comments above:
1.Isn't Dr. Willy Mutunga Chief Justice for everyone including me?
2. Why is OK for him to attend Raila, Kibaki, civil society and other functions but not my book launch when the book is about justice?
3. Isn't silence in the face of injustice a vote for the status quo?
4. Will the Chief Justice's presence at the book launch make him less fair, less neutral or unimpartial?
5. Are those who are critical of the Chief Jutice's presence at my book launch suggesting that I myself can't be a judge merely on account of having differed with RAO?
6. What kind of society do they want: one built on equality or one where only positions matter?
7. Why is it OK for the looters and murderers to meet Dr. Mutunga while he cannot meet his friends?
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Post by phil on Jun 28, 2012 11:59:15 GMT 3
Here is a text message from Miguna Miguna responding to some of the comments above:1.Isn't Dr. Willy Mutunga Chief Justice for everyone including me?
2. Why is OK for him to attend Raila, Kibaki, civil society and other functions but not my book launch when the book is about justice?
3. Isn't silence in the face of injustice a vote for the status quo?
4. Will the Chief Justice's presence at the book launch make him less fair, less neutral or unimpartial?
5. Are those who are critical of the Chief Jutice's presence at my book launch suggesting that I myself can't be a judge merely on account of having differed with RAO?
6. What kind of society do they want: one built on equality or one where only positions matter?
7. Why is it OK for the looters and murderers to meet Dr. Mutunga while he cannot meet his friends? Far from being about justice and/or injustice, the book is all about sour grapes, political vendetta and of course raising some $$$ for the author. Or does the injustice apply merely because it is Miguna Miguna Jossy Janyando? People are appointed, retired, transferred, sacked, suspended from government/public positions everyday. Miguna is not the first one. The book Miguna is writing is a personal project that has nothing to do with the public office that Mutunga holds. Willy Mutunga can attend the function as a personal friend of Miguna but not as Chief Justice of the Republic whose mandate I believe, certainly does not include gracing the launch of books authored by Kenyans who have been sacked from government.
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 28, 2012 12:54:21 GMT 3
miguna, phil & others
I personally see no big deal about Dr. Mutunga being the chief guest at Miguna's book launch. He is going their in his personal capacity. I don't think Mutunga is going there as the Chief Justice. It is his judgment as an individual what kind of activities he wishes to participate in. Let's respect that.
My issue with all the publicity I have seen so far most of it started by Miguna himself is the narrative that all the problems in Kenya are about Raila. The book has been sold to the public as the one that will finally finish Raila's political career and set Kenya free. That line of thinking is bothersome to me. It is the same thing we here from the so called G7 of kina Ruto, Uhuru na kadhalika. The narrative is that if only we could get rid of Raila our country would be rolling in glory. That to me is utter nonsense. We know the history of country, at least, if we don't know anything else.
Raila is not a saint and I suspect he might be the first one to admit that. Miguna is not a saint either. None of us is. So when anybody tells me to stop everything we are doing to make our country better and put all our energy in fighting Raila I personally consider it an insult to our intelligence as Kenyans.
Basically that is how this whole Miguna book story has been marketed. Whether that is just to get more sales, to hype up the book or whether that is the real content of the book we cannot know until people actually read the book which they should.
I joined the struggle for a better country called Kenya in 1981 as a student leader. I did NOT know and had never seen Raila. I was just putting my effort to free our country from the chains of dictatorship. I later met Raila in 1982. I have worked with him here and there just as I have worked with Dr. Mutunga, Miguna, Oloo and many others.
It has always been in an effort to make our country better and we have made many strides. That is why Dr. Mutunga is now our Chief Justice and Miguna is writing a book about Raila. We have made small gains here and there. We have a long way to go for sure. I strongly suspect that our struggle may continue long after Raila is dead. I could be wrong but I doubt it if the history of our country is anything to go by.
I will be damned if someone was to tell me that all that effort has been a waste and now we have to concentrate just on Raila and kaboom our country will be free. Forget the battles to implement our new constitution. Forget the battles for human rights in Kenya. Forget the battles to end impunity in Kenya. Forget everything because our world rotates around Raila. Really? I wish things were that simple. I would personally offer to assassinate Raila if that would solve all our problems.
I would join Ruto and Uhuru who are already plotting on how to get rid of Raila. Unfortunately I don't think the political, economic and social problems in Kenya start and end with Raila Amolo Odinga and I think there is enough energy and resources being invested to get rid of Raila.
So let those who are convinced that fighting Raila is now the alpha and omega of the Kenyan struggle go on with that battle. Others can do the other small things that need to be done as the big war with Raila goes on. I suspect there is a lot of other work to be done.
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Post by phil on Jun 28, 2012 13:11:35 GMT 3
Adongo
Your friend Miguna has joined that bandwagon. How sad and how unfortunate.
It appears it has been impossible for him to get over the fact he is no longer PM'S Advisor on Coalition Affairs. I saw him trying to corner the PM when they were both at the late Ojode's house in Runda. The body language was telling.
If the so called peeling book is about whistleblowing on grand corruption at the PMO, then this is the most bizarre method of going about it. Of course he personally will not admit it but its all about using the magic name Raila to maximize on sales. After all newspaper editors do it every day. Nondescript politicians do it every hour. Raila Odinga is a marketers dream. Jerome Corsi is NOT!
Walk along Harambee Avenue, outside the PMO, believe it or not, there is outdoor advertising space for sale even as I type these lines. Look across the street outside the president's office Harambee House, there is no such thing. Kibaki simply does not sell.
So Miguna knows perfectly well which side of the bread is buttered. There are some friends among whom we used to go with him to bathe at River Nyando, and they are wondering why he is no longer visiting the folks at home. Perhaps they too need to know what this book is all about.
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Post by b6k on Jun 28, 2012 13:12:59 GMT 3
Here is a text message from Miguna Miguna responding to some of the comments above:1.Isn't Dr. Willy Mutunga Chief Justice for everyone including me?
2. Why is OK for him to attend Raila, Kibaki, civil society and other functions but not my book launch when the book is about justice?
3. Isn't silence in the face of injustice a vote for the status quo?
4. Will the Chief Justice's presence at the book launch make him less fair, less neutral or unimpartial?
5. Are those who are critical of the Chief Jutice's presence at my book launch suggesting that I myself can't be a judge merely on account of having differed with RAO?
6. What kind of society do they want: one built on equality or one where only positions matter?
7. Why is it OK for the looters and murderers to meet Dr. Mutunga while he cannot meet his friends? MM asks some valid questions but I think he still has it wrong. He cannot compare himself or his functions to those of the president or the PM as rightfully stated by Phil. Also, he is launching a book that is alleged to be primarily about the PM, a prospective presidential candidate in 2012/13. If for any reason we end up with yet another "too close to call" presidential contest, how can the CJ be expected to be objective when he was at the launch of a book that was peeling the mask off one of the candidates? I for one am looking forward to buying & reading this book. However, if the CJ goes ahead with this launch & our elections end up in court, you can expect we will have a repeat of '07 when ODM will claim the courts are not independent precisely because he attended the anti RAO book launch & it will be back to the streets for "justice". MM, kindly get another chief guest for this fucntion....
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Post by destiny on Jun 28, 2012 13:13:30 GMT 3
Poor Miguna! Why not give him a break for heaven's sake and make judgement after reading the entire book? Now the beef is because CJ Mutunga will grace the big launch that's why all the fuss all over the world wide web? Anyway any publicity is good publicity as far as such an occasion is concerned and the author must be laughing his head off somewhere. Miguna was sacked? I thought he was UNFAIRLY sacked only to be reinstated... which he declined thus left some people with eggs on their faces. Let's be patient for another few days please. before shouting ourselves hoarse.
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 28, 2012 13:25:43 GMT 3
Adongo Your friend Miguna has joined that bandwagon. How sad and how unfortunate. It appears it has been impossible for him to get over the fact he is no longer PM'S Advisor on Coalition Affairs. I saw him trying to corner the PM when they were both at the late Ojode's house in Runda. The body language was telling. If the so called peeling book is about whistleblowing on grand corruption at the PMO, then this is the most bizarre method of going about it. Of course he personally will not admit it but its all about using the magic name Raila to maximize on sales. After all newspaper editors do it every day. Nondescript politicians do it every hour. Raila Odinga is a marketers dream. Jerome Corsi is NOT! Walk along Harambee Avenue, outside the PMO, believe it or not, there is outdoor advertising space for sale even as I type these lines. Look across the street outside the president's office Harambee House, there is no such thing. Kibaki simply does not sell. So Miguna knows perfectly well which side of the bread is buttered. There are some friends among whom we used to go with him to bathe at River Nyando, and they are wondering why he is no longer visiting the folks at home. Perhaps they too need to know what this book is all about. phil,I don't have any personal squabbles with Miguna. My post above speaks for itself. I think part of the problem we have is when people personalise things. A colleague of mine just got fired the other day and I could not defend him even though that is part of my job at work as the union rep. That is because he personalised his problems with his workmates who are also my friends. Instead of just disagreeing on things and how they should be done this individual just went ballistics with personal things. So I would never personalise any issues with Miguna or anybody else in the process of work whether it is working for a living or political work. It is just business. I also would hesitate to impute and disparage Miguna with any accusations which have no basis. When I say if fighting Raila solves all our problems I would join Ruto, Uhuru, Kibaki and even Moi I say so with the firm knowledge that those individuals are trying to sell a dangerous myth to Kenyans that if only we could get rid of Raila we would enter glory land as a country. Believe it or not they have been doing the same thing for more than 20 years and they have actually tried to get rid of Raila even physically. There is a reason the man is one of the longest detainees in Kenya. From Moi to Kibaki and now the new crew it has always been the same thing. Get rid of Raila and you will enter the kingdom of god. Don't laugh now, this is true. I even said if Raila were the only problem in Kenya then I would ask someone to give me a gun and I would shoot him. My point really is that we have huge problems in the country let's deal with all of them including the ones emanating from Raila's office and body of politics. That is all I am trying to say in my post.
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