MURDER OF SHEIKH ABOUD ROGO

[job]

Aug 31, 2012 1:55:04 GMT 3 einstein said:

Kibaki warned all and sundry that he will not entertain any one who even remotely tries to jeopardise the efforts to install a Somali government in August 2012 .

Unfortunately, I cannot get my hands on that article. May be somebody can and post it here on the board.

Here it is:



www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/08/kenya-warns-somalia-detractors-of-sanctions/






There is the commander-in-chief of these extrajudicial assassinations which have come to characterize his regime.





Here (below) is the person who ordered Aboud Rogo's extrajudicial assassination - appeasing the West before his tenure ends.


In a statement, President Mwai Kibaki warned any
individuals or groups in and out of Somalia
trying to jeopardize the roadmap for ending
the Transition in Somalia risk immediate
imposition of specific measures/FILE





The one whose failure to exert regional leadership, resulted in the Great Somali Migration into Kenya...and a misguided (financially-motivated) military incursion of Kenya Army into Somalia...and al Shabab retaliatory attacks...we are now engulfed in the cycle of violence right at the center of our gateway and hub for tourism.



For Kibaki's NSIS state agents to now turn around with propaganda blaming the Prime Minister (leaflets dropped in Mosques) is therefore ridiculous, outrageous, unbelievable and absurd! People have eyes and brains! Bure kabisa!

[reporter911]

Aug 31, 2012 2:04:37 GMT 3 job said:

Aug 31, 2012 1:55:04 GMT 3 einstein said:

Kibaki warned all and sundry that he will not entertain any one who even remotely tries to jeopardise the efforts to install a Somali government in August 2012 .

Unfortunately, I cannot get my hands on that article. May be somebody can and post it here on the board.

www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/08/kenya-warns-somalia-detractors-of-sanctions/


There it is. The one whose regime has been characterized by extrajudicial assassinations.



Here (below) is the person who ordered Aboud Rogo's extrajudicial assassination.


In a statement, President Mwai Kibaki warned any
individuals or groups in and out of Somalia
trying to jeopardize the roadmap for ending
the Transition in Somalia risk immediate
imposition of specific measures/FILE





The one whose failure to exert regional leadership, resulted in the Great Somali Migration into Kenya...and a misguided (financially-motivated) military incursion of Kenya Army into Somalia...and al Shabab retaliatory attacks...we are now engulfed in the cycle of violence right at the center of our gateway and hub for tourism.



For Kibaki's NSIS state agents to now turn around with propaganda blaming the Prime Minister (leaflets dropped in Mosques) is therefore ridiculous, outrageous, unbelievable and absurd! People have eyes and brains! Bure kabisa!

I Guess by the time Kenya is burning he will be in his backyard in Nyeri next year clueless and without a care of the mess he would have left behind!! Not sure what he is thinking placing Kenya in such a dangerous position..May God Help Kenya!!

[b6k]

Mutuma Mathiu with his 2 cents on the Rogo assassination in the first part of his article:

There’s more to the deadly reaction to Rogo’s death than meets the eye

By MUTUMA MATHIU [e-mail]
Posted Thursday, August 30 2012 at 20:00

The killing of Aboud Rogo, the radical preacher and terror suspect, and the subsequent outpouring of hatred is very worrying.

The messages that I saw on Twitter, urging youths to go out and kill, are to me evidence that this country is at war, not just in Somalia, but also within our own borders.

And our enemies are brutal and filled with hatred. I have not been paying full attention to the speculation that a neighbouring country might be funding the Mombasa Republican Council to cause the implosion of Kenya.

I also paid scant attention to arguments, mainly by our religious affairs editor, Rashid Abdi, that Al-Shabaab is using the Boko Harram formula in Nigeria and fomenting a religious war between Christians and Muslims in Kenya.

I should have paid more attention. Think about it: there is no evidence that Rogo was killed by the police, even though his family thought so.

But even if he was assassinated by the State, the quarrel then is between the State and Rogo’s followers.

Why then is it that churches and Christian leaders have been targeted in these riots? Why were the inciters asking youths to burn churches and kill pastors?

Kenyans are used to a casual approach to national issues. We are a country at risk of terrorism, but so far, we have been unable to pass an anti-terrorism law.

We have confused the right to protect the freedoms of our people with the need to protect ourselves against those who are committed to killing us.

I am not even sure today that we have a public order law.

There is a lot of oestrogen thinking in this country nowadays; all soapy, feely and weepy.

If we want to keep our country peaceful and together, I think it might be useful to combine our love for freedom and human rights with a healthy dose of testosterone.

Because you have to be alive to enjoy your rights, you see.

www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/1490840/-/lmqifaz/-/index.html

[kamalet]

Aug 30, 2012 11:19:43 GMT 3 Onyango Oloo said:

Interview with Al Amin Kimathi:

www.soros.org/voices/assassinations-disappearances-and-riots-what-s-happening-mombasa

...not a word on the youths shouting jihadist messages...not a word condemning the burning and looting of churches!

For someone with previous suspicion of links with al shabaab, Al Amin Kimathi should have been a lot more equivocal on the condemnation of those inciting the youths. The fact that he did not tells a lot!

[mugabe]

Aug 31, 2012 8:36:36 GMT 3 b6k said:

Mutuma Mathiu with his 2 cents on the Rogo assassination in the first part of his article:

There’s more to the deadly reaction to Rogo’s death than meets the eye

By MUTUMA MATHIU [e-mail]
Posted Thursday, August 30 2012 at 20:00

The killing of Aboud Rogo, the radical preacher and terror suspect, and the subsequent outpouring of hatred is very worrying.

The messages that I saw on Twitter, urging youths to go out and kill, are to me evidence that this country is at war, not just in Somalia, but also within our own borders.

And our enemies are brutal and filled with hatred. I have not been paying full attention to the speculation that a neighbouring country might be funding the Mombasa Republican Council to cause the implosion of Kenya.

I also paid scant attention to arguments, mainly by our religious affairs editor, Rashid Abdi, that Al-Shabaab is using the Boko Harram formula in Nigeria and fomenting a religious war between Christians and Muslims in Kenya.

I should have paid more attention. Think about it: there is no evidence that Rogo was killed by the police, even though his family thought so.

But even if he was assassinated by the State, the quarrel then is between the State and Rogo’s followers.

Why then is it that churches and Christian leaders have been targeted in these riots? Why were the inciters asking youths to burn churches and kill pastors?

Kenyans are used to a casual approach to national issues. We are a country at risk of terrorism, but so far, we have been unable to pass an anti-terrorism law.

We have confused the right to protect the freedoms of our people with the need to protect ourselves against those who are committed to killing us.

I am not even sure today that we have a public order law.

There is a lot of oestrogen thinking in this country nowadays; all soapy, feely and weepy.

If we want to keep our country peaceful and together, I think it might be useful to combine our love for freedom and human rights with a healthy dose of testosterone.

Because you have to be alive to enjoy your rights, you see.

www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/1490840/-/lmqifaz/-/index.html

A healthy dose of 'testosterone'? what does that mean? This is typical lazy analysis masquerading as journalism. What exactly does this guy mean? Let him have the courage to say what he wants to say instead of hiding behind phrases like that. Guys like this journalist have not the slightest idea of counter-terrorism other than what they see on TV.

[emali]

Aug 31, 2012 8:36:36 GMT 3 b6k said:

Mutuma Mathiu with his 2 cents on the Rogo assassination in the first part of his article:

There’s more to the deadly reaction to Rogo’s death than meets the eye

By MUTUMA MATHIU [e-mail]
Posted Thursday, August 30 2012 at 20:00

The killing of Aboud Rogo, the radical preacher and terror suspect, and the subsequent outpouring of hatred is very worrying.

The messages that I saw on Twitter, urging youths to go out and kill, are to me evidence that this country is at war, not just in Somalia, but also within our own borders.

And our enemies are brutal and filled with hatred. I have not been paying full attention to the speculation that a neighbouring country might be funding the Mombasa Republican Council to cause the implosion of Kenya.

I also paid scant attention to arguments, mainly by our religious affairs editor, Rashid Abdi, that Al-Shabaab is using the Boko Harram formula in Nigeria and fomenting a religious war between Christians and Muslims in Kenya.

I should have paid more attention. Think about it: there is no evidence that Rogo was killed by the police, even though his family thought so.

But even if he was assassinated by the State, the quarrel then is between the State and Rogo’s followers.

Why then is it that churches and Christian leaders have been targeted in these riots? Why were the inciters asking youths to burn churches and kill pastors?

Kenyans are used to a casual approach to national issues. We are a country at risk of terrorism, but so far, we have been unable to pass an anti-terrorism law.

We have confused the right to protect the freedoms of our people with the need to protect ourselves against those who are committed to killing us.

I am not even sure today that we have a public order law.

There is a lot of oestrogen thinking in this country nowadays; all soapy, feely and weepy.

If we want to keep our country peaceful and together, I think it might be useful to combine our love for freedom and human rights with a healthy dose of testosterone.

Because you have to be alive to enjoy your rights, you see.

www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/1490840/-/lmqifaz/-/index.html

I agree with Mathiu...you can’t exactly ‘reason’ with Al shaabab sympathisers & their is enough evidence over the years that the country itself will lose...

A thug found with a gun is normally shot on the spot or if he is lucky to face the penal system & somehow gets released barely survives two weeks before meeting his maker...why should Rogo have been treated any different considering the path he chose? He had it coming & so will Rogo v.2.1...better win/lose a war fighting than expect maana from heaven cowering in a corner...

[reporter911]

Aug 31, 2012 13:04:17 GMT 3 emali said:

Aug 31, 2012 8:36:36 GMT 3 b6k said:

Mutuma Mathiu with his 2 cents on the Rogo assassination in the first part of his article:

There’s more to the deadly reaction to Rogo’s death than meets the eye

By MUTUMA MATHIU [e-mail]
Posted Thursday, August 30 2012 at 20:00

The killing of Aboud Rogo, the radical preacher and terror suspect, and the subsequent outpouring of hatred is very worrying.

The messages that I saw on Twitter, urging youths to go out and kill, are to me evidence that this country is at war, not just in Somalia, but also within our own borders.

And our enemies are brutal and filled with hatred. I have not been paying full attention to the speculation that a neighbouring country might be funding the Mombasa Republican Council to cause the implosion of Kenya.

I also paid scant attention to arguments, mainly by our religious affairs editor, Rashid Abdi, that Al-Shabaab is using the Boko Harram formula in Nigeria and fomenting a religious war between Christians and Muslims in Kenya.

I should have paid more attention. Think about it: there is no evidence that Rogo was killed by the police, even though his family thought so.

But even if he was assassinated by the State, the quarrel then is between the State and Rogo’s followers.

Why then is it that churches and Christian leaders have been targeted in these riots? Why were the inciters asking youths to burn churches and kill pastors?

Kenyans are used to a casual approach to national issues. We are a country at risk of terrorism, but so far, we have been unable to pass an anti-terrorism law.

We have confused the right to protect the freedoms of our people with the need to protect ourselves against those who are committed to killing us.

I am not even sure today that we have a public order law.

There is a lot of oestrogen thinking in this country nowadays; all soapy, feely and weepy.

If we want to keep our country peaceful and together, I think it might be useful to combine our love for freedom and human rights with a healthy dose of testosterone.

Because you have to be alive to enjoy your rights, you see.

www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/1490840/-/lmqifaz/-/index.html

I agree with Mathiu...you can’t exactly ‘reason’ with Al shaabab sympathisers & their is enough evidence over the years that the country itself will lose...

A thug found with a gun is normally shot on the spot or if he is lucky to face the penal system & somehow gets released barely survives two weeks before meeting his maker...why should Rogo have been treated any different considering the path he chose? He had it coming & so will Rogo v.2.1...better win/lose a war fighting than expect maana from heaven cowering in a corner...

then I guess you applaud the Extra-judicial Killing and carried out assassination in Kenya... and you would have no problem if it were to happen any of your family or friends if ever they were placed on a terrorist list.. they should be gunned down mercilessly without being given a chance to proof their innocences!! then Kenya is Doomed...

[abdulmote]

The killing of Aboud Rogo should not be seen as an unusual phenomenon. Indeed, the so called extra Judicial killings are now well established as the open secret policy of the state in dealing with the perceived terrorists. Hundreds of Mungiki youths were eliminated a few months ago and the country did not end up in flames as a protest for all we know. Some even cheered that the 'manace' has been gotten rid of.

For those who thought so, it did not matter that there could have been a good few of those killed, who did not even warrant to be 'grouped' with the Mungiki and re entirely 'innocent'. To them, anyone who ended up being classified as a Mungiki, that person might as well have been slaughtered and fed to the hyenas of Tsavo. Mungiki were murderers and terrorist who deserved any form of punishment, extra judicial if needs be, and so they thought.

And the government got away with it. There was no price to pay as a result. The Michukis and Kamales of this world were made happy for once. No need of wasting resources, time and money, trying to protect the rights of those who 'did not deserve' such protection. Prisons are already overflowing with convicts and the law courts are not going to 'deliver' any way. A bullet in the head is an easier option, or so it seems.

Then here are the Israelis who have become specialists in assassinating 'terrorists' in Palestine. If they cannot defeat through law courts or the pulpits, a missile or two can do the job to a good satisfaction. Some collateral damage in the form of buildings demolished and a few other innocent souls terminated is acceptable.

The Americans are also not left behind. In fact the Americans have become so good at it, they hardly have to send their precious human soldiers to do their dirty work. Unmanned drones controlled from a distance of thousands of miles can adequately do the job. Pakistanis and Afghans are their preferred targets and hundreds if not thousands have been eliminated in such a manner since their war on terror began. Again, 'collateral damage' or some innocent victims getting killed as a result is acceptable. Terrorists must be killed wherever they are, someone seems to approve.

State sanctioned extra judicial killings are there, we know that. The question is whether such a practice is just and should it be accepted by the wider public as a remedy of dealing with perceived terrorists. As it is, the governments seem to be taking a 'calculated risk', sensing the publics' 'endorsment' of their unconstitutional cure.

The other issue that needs our attention is how to deal with the actual terrorists as can be known. Rogo was accused of promoting the Alshabbaab and even recruiting for the same. Such allegations may be true, considering the evidence available in the public domain. But does the current Judicial process provide good mechanism for dealing with such a menace and what could be a better alternative, which is efficient enough in taming the same? That is a question that needs to be answered, objectively and precisely so to speak.

But what bothers me most is the lack of understanding as to how and why such problems have taken root in the first place. In my humble opinion, I think there is a huge gap in understanding the minds of perceived terrorists, whether of religious following or of a cult such as Mungiki. And unless we can methodically start paying attention to such deficit, can we attempt to find the right remedy in dealing with such terrors, whether state sponsored or ‘terrorists’ sponsored. Knee jerk reactions will not help alleviate such a grave problem in our midst.

[jakaswanga]

Aug 31, 2012 19:53:11 GMT 3 abdulmote said:

The killing of Aboud Rogo should not be seen as an unusual phenomenon. Indeed, the so called extra Judicial killings are now well established as the open secret policy of the state in dealing with the perceived terrorists. Hundreds of Mungiki youths were eliminated a few months ago and the country did not end up in flames as a protest for all we know. Some even cheered that the 'manace' has been gotten rid of.

For those who thought so, it did not matter that there could have been a good few of those killed, who did not even warrant to be 'grouped' with the Mungiki and re entirely 'innocent'. To them, anyone who ended up being classified as a Mungiki, that person might as well have been slaughtered and fed to the hyenas of Tsavo. Mungiki were murderers and terrorist who deserved any form of punishment, extra judicial if needs be, and so they thought.

And the government got away with it. There was no price to pay as a result. The Michukis and Kamales of this world were made happy for once. No need of wasting resources, time and money, trying to protect the rights of those who 'did not deserve' such protection. Prisons are already overflowing with convicts and the law courts are not going to 'deliver' any way. A bullet in the head is an easier option, or so it seems.

Then here are the Israelis who have become specialists in assassinating 'terrorists' in Palestine. If they cannot defeat through law courts or the pulpits, a missile or two can do the job to a good satisfaction. Some collateral damage in the form of buildings demolished and a few other innocent souls terminated is acceptable.

The Americans are also not left behind. In fact the Americans have become so good at it, they hardly have to send their precious human soldiers to do their dirty work. Unmanned drones controlled from a distance of thousands of miles can adequately do the job. Pakistanis and Afghans are their preferred targets and hundreds if not thousands have been eliminated in such a manner since their war on terror began. Again, 'collateral damage' or some innocent victims getting killed as a result is acceptable. Terrorists must be killed wherever they are, someone seems to approve.

State sanctioned extra judicial killings are there, we know that. The question is whether such a practice is just and should it be accepted by the wider public as a remedy of dealing with perceived terrorists. As it is, the governments seem to be taking a 'calculated risk', sensing the publics' 'endorsment' of their unconstitutional cure.

The other issue that needs our attention is how to deal with the actual terrorists as can be known. Rogo was accused of promoting the Alshabbaab and even recruiting for the same. Such allegations may be true, considering the evidence available in the public domain. But does the current Judicial process provide good mechanism for dealing with such a menace and what could be a better alternative, which is efficient enough in taming the same? That is a question that needs to be answered, objectively and precisely so to speak.

But what bothers me most is the lack of understanding as to how and why such problems have taken root in the first place. In my humble opinion, I think there is a huge gap in understanding the minds of perceived terrorists, whether of religious following or of a cult such as Mungiki. And unless we can methodically start paying attention to such deficit, can we attempt to find the right remedy in dealing with such terrors, whether state sponsored or ‘terrorists’ sponsored. Knee jerk reactions will not help alleviate such a grave problem in our midst.

Abdulmote,
Your meditations above have inspired me to tap my chin in the following manner.

I sometimes want to substantiate different types of extra-judicial killing. The other one dealing with raw thuggery and violent criminals, indulged in by police death-squads because the corrupt legal system is overwhelmed while violent crime skyrockets, I have already given my opinion on, elsewhere, as likely to continue in Kenya regardless of CJ Mutunga's godly tenure.

The one we are talking about now, is the type that deals with political opponents labeled terrorist, then placed outside the protection of the due law. The word terrorist, echoing Dick Cheney's illegal combatant, which then placed Talibhan-Al-Aaeda prisoners outside the Geneva conventions of War prisoners protocol, is these days currency for enacting a direct death sentence. A recidivism. Governments no longer need to bother with the cumbersome process of collecting evidence, charging before a court of law, and proving the case beyond... We are back to what was the usual practice of history before the pretence at civilisation. It is the pretence at civilisation that brought forth the Nuremberg trials, the understanding of some crimes as 'crimes against humanity', but still to go through the legal rigmarole. A fair trial. Like soon for Uhuruto.

(War has always been fought, and conquered peoples pillaged, raped and exterminated since time immemorial. And poets have sung praises to warriors, warriors who carpeted the earth red to the horizon with the caked blood of the foe, like was at Carthage when the Romans sacked it, or another city in Asia whose name I forget, when the steeled commanders of Genghis Khan 'moved' through it.

But after the second world war, a consensus came that war does not give a carte blanche to visit horrors, at a cruelty level only mitigated by the limitations on the creativity of the perpetrators. War had to have a conscience. This, myth or not, is the legacy of our era as it wrestles with the import of civilisation and development in political thinking. It is actually a watershed in the thinking of man. A humane treatment of the enemy? was not the purpose of war to be exactly the opposite? There were days when the option of surrender would be worse in consequence than dying in combat! You would be ritually sacrificed, your heart ripped out of your chest as you watched, and not just in Mayaland or Aztec land in old Mejico. [Mexico].

Targeted liquidations, with Obama emerging as the King of Impunity on it, is adequately covered in the above post by you Abdulmote.

I do not condone extra judicial killings. Not because I am romantic. But because I think like this. If mere individuals, whatever their stations in life, Kibaki, Putin, Obama, Kagame arrogate themselves the power to serve some purpose, eg protecting their people, by circumventing the due process of law and engaging in spree killings, like every other maffia don on behalf of his family, what makes you think other ordinary folks, equally steely, equally determined of purpose, should not arrogate themselves the powers to burn churches with children in them as acceptable collateral damage, in the name of some other thing they equally hold dear.

The purpose of law in the history of humans --beings with intense capacities to hate and retaliation at fathomless levels of cruelty, is to mediate conflicts by the abstraction of revenge, to formalize 'justice' in a collective [state legal] system that has legitimacy in the hearts of the populations --because the law is perceived to be fair and equitable.

It fails this test, it reverts to a free for all, the seeds of a collapsing republic. Where do gang-ho guys think chaos and civil war come from, if not the anger in the hearts of men at unfairness?

So the gun-hos can continue murdering others like in this Rogo fashion, thinking you are creating peace. No, you sow hate. And that is what you saw at Naivasha 2008 early. And a church in Eldoret. No Muslims, no Al-Shabab there, me thinks. But the deeds, no less bestial. Just like with the cattlemen otishotish reported on at another thread.

Cheer not your failing state!
But bother to follow Abduls advice: understanding how these problems have taken root in the first place.

[emali]

Aug 31, 2012 18:11:55 GMT 3 @reporter911 said:

Aug 31, 2012 13:04:17 GMT 3 emali said:

I agree with Mathiu...you can’t exactly ‘reason’ with Al shaabab sympathisers & their is enough evidence over the years that the country itself will lose...

A thug found with a gun is normally shot on the spot or if he is lucky to face the penal system & somehow gets released barely survives two weeks before meeting his maker...why should Rogo have been treated any different considering the path he chose? He had it coming & so will Rogo v.2.1...better win/lose a war fighting than expect maana from heaven cowering in a corner...

then I guess you applaud the Extra-judicial Killing and carried out assassination in Kenya... and you would have no problem if it were to happen any of your family or friends if ever they were placed on a terrorist list.. they should be gunned down mercilessly without being given a chance to proof their innocences!! then Kenya is Doomed...

When it comes to security I don't have a grey area...justice is bought on a daily basis here & when the president himself by proxy (or could be directly ) is associated with drug dealing extra judicial takes a very fluid definition...

Its hard to convince a miscreant he has broken the law when the local OCS supplied him with a gun of his choice...but like every sector of government their are people who do their jobs & are dedicated to doing what's right,how are they going to sit back when their superiors are all rotten or incompetent? For some of them inaction means suffering or death for some poor soul...

Prisons are overcrowded,the crook has silenced the witnesses & the OCPD is busy campaigning for ODM/PNU police work ni ya wengine...those are all details the country has to endelea...if we followed the 'rule of law' the very dead Wacucu & Wanugu would be 'reformed' citizens planning on a gubernatorial bid...without extra-judicial killings we would be close to the way somalia is...Mungiki is a prime example,if they had not been wiped out by lead they would have taken over Nairobi...I doubt our courts would have done much...


Its not like I'm some bloodthirsty hound, we have no options as long as our leaders continue with their pesa nane siasa...if we get Mutunga-like leadership as PORK then I would cross the floor & be an Al Amin Kimathi sympathizer...

As for Rogo & his ilk I have no tears for them...we are busying fighting al shabaab in Somalia..now we have to deal with these clowns at home? I want to live in peace & not be a victim of some nut seeking religious nirvana... If utumishi kwa wote will do me the service of dispensing with the formalities & give these nuts their ultimate prize then pongezi to the cops...

I have just read the esteemed Addulmote & Jakaswanga posts (makes me want to delete the above lakini…) but this is my understanding of how to solve the problem….

[einstein]

A bold move by Tobiko in constituting probe team

The killing of Sheikh Aboud Rogo in Mombasa set out a chain reaction that is all too familiar in Kenya.

A prominent Muslim cleric is killed by suspected government forces. Spontaneous demonstrations engulf the coastal town. Goons destroy churches, private property and businesses.

The government promises an investigation. Leaders call for calm, life goes back to normal and the cycle of violence comes to an end.

This same pattern played out a few months ago when another Muslim cleric, Samir Khan, was killed. I stated that Khan was killed by a special squad of the Kenyan police.

In fact, he was strangled to death by Kenyan policemen. Rogo was shot dead in broad daylight.

Both the deaths of Khan and Rogo bring to the fore the official but secret policy of the Kibaki regime to extra-judicially kill troublesome Muslim clerics anywhere in the country.

It is a government policy that gives a firm notice to any Muslim leader that death ultimately awaits him. This clearly shows how rogue the security agents under this regime have become.

It also shows the level of impunity and immunity they enjoy when they can kill Kenyan citizens at a place and time of their choice.

One can imagine the fear that many Kenyan Muslims live under for the simple reason that they profess the Islamic faith.

The Kibaki administration and its security agents have now criminalised professing Islam and that is likely to have dire consequences for the future harmony and stability of the country.

The death of Rogo and the narrative that followed it was hijacked by the government. Kenyans were warned of the danger of inter-faith clashes between Muslims and Christians and the need to maintain peace as we approach the General Election.

These warnings were State inspired fear mongering. It was deliberately propagated to scare and subdue Kenyans. The riots by a few unemployed youths and their burning and looting of churches were not inspired by any hatred of the Christian community.

These were opportunistic crimes that, in a way, show the failure of the government to address the needs of school- going children in Mombasa who, instead, are drug addicts.

I was slightly surprised by the composition of the committee instituted by the Director of Public Prosecutions, Mr Keriako Tobiko, to look into the killing of Rogo.

It was a bold and transparent decision. That he constituted, instead of ordering the police commissioner Mathew Iteere to investigate the murder, was telling in a number of ways.

By selecting the members of the committee, Mr Tobiko was loud and clear that the top echelons of the police force were potential suspects in the killing of Rogo.

Second, the composition of the committee and its inclusion of private citizens was another reminder that even the office of the DPP has lost faith in the police.

The killing of Rogo and Khan underlines the dangers facing the country and also gives us an opportunity to address these problems.

The most urgent imperative is reforms in the security sector. As we approach the elections, reforms in the police and intelligence organs are very critical in ensuring peaceful polls.

We must aslo disband the former provincial administration or absorb its members in other departments of government. The police force must be reformed urgently.

The Office of the President has, for the past six months, dilly-dallied in constituting the Police Service Commission.

Without reforms in the security sector, there exists the distinct possibility that law and order will be jeopardised by rogue elements in the security apparatus of the State and their civilian lords.

Ahmednasir Abdullahi is the publisher, Nairobi Law Monthly [e-mail]



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[abdulmote]

Jakaswanga, thank you for your informed observations. We can only start to think when dare mention and observe the obvious.

As you correctly observed, gone are the days when the monopoly of violence solely rested in the hands of the elitist few. Whether in the name of the Church, the Kingdom or the State, the coercive tools are no longer restricted in the hands of the few. The trodden others have already began to ponder on the violent options available, justified in a collective sense or not.

With current trends getting deeply established as observed herein, it may appear that the 'elitist' governments are beginning to feel the heat. The "romanticism" which rested on the premise of the 'rule of law' is beginning to be tested and buckle under pressure. But is that the case?

We need to pay attention on the two 'ideologies' which provide for the competing forces in their quest towards dominance of the masses. Dominance, which despite what may be given as 'excuses' as to their causes, clearly demonstrate the underlying desire for control of the resources available in our midst to satisfy their common interests. The two prevailing ideologies currently in existence are Religion and Capitalism. Religion and Capitalism are the only two ideologies under my lenses at the moment, considering the third ideology of Communism having 'failed' towards its wider establishment.

Capitalism as an ideology per se, is designed to provide a 'legitimate means' to acquire wealth, to those who are capable out of their own individual abilities. Equal opportunity and freedom of individual choice, we are told.

But never mind those who are simply incapable for whatever the reason and cannot take the advantage of such 'equality of opportunity'. Those will have to fend for themselves and are expected to survive just the same. Remember, they have been allowed to explore their freedom of choice and equality of opportunity, even if none exist!

In order to entrench and legitimise such an ideology, the powers that be and those who had been able to take full advantage of the opportunities available, managed to throw in the concept of'Democracy', twisted and skewed to benefit the enabled even if it is to be at the expense of the deprived. Never mind that they will be given the opportunity to endorse the very same 'unequal' and advantaged among us, once every five years in the legitimised name of democracy. It is their freedom of choice, we are told.

And so the masses are expected to be content with such an arrangement. Everyone has been assured with the 'equal opportunity' you see. The marginalised, the deprived and the poor are expected to survive just as well under this arrangement, irrespective of what they may lack in the form of 'equal' capabilities anyway. In short, this is the type of Capitalism as practiced in Kenya. Every man, woman and child left to their individual means of survival.

Then there is the religious line of thought. I will come back to this in due course.

[marikopolitico]

Aug 31, 2012 13:04:17 GMT 3 emali said:

Aug 31, 2012 8:36:36 GMT 3 b6k said:

Mutuma Mathiu with his 2 cents on the Rogo assassination in the first part of his article:

There’s more to the deadly reaction to Rogo’s death than meets the eye

By MUTUMA MATHIU [e-mail]
Posted Thursday, August 30 2012 at 20:00

The killing of Aboud Rogo, the radical preacher and terror suspect, and the subsequent outpouring of hatred is very worrying.

The messages that I saw on Twitter, urging youths to go out and kill, are to me evidence that this country is at war, not just in Somalia, but also within our own borders.

And our enemies are brutal and filled with hatred. I have not been paying full attention to the speculation that a neighbouring country might be funding the Mombasa Republican Council to cause the implosion of Kenya.

I also paid scant attention to arguments, mainly by our religious affairs editor, Rashid Abdi, that Al-Shabaab is using the Boko Harram formula in Nigeria and fomenting a religious war between Christians and Muslims in Kenya.

I should have paid more attention. Think about it: there is no evidence that Rogo was killed by the police, even though his family thought so.

But even if he was assassinated by the State, the quarrel then is between the State and Rogo’s followers.

Why then is it that churches and Christian leaders have been targeted in these riots? Why were the inciters asking youths to burn churches and kill pastors?

Kenyans are used to a casual approach to national issues. We are a country at risk of terrorism, but so far, we have been unable to pass an anti-terrorism law.

We have confused the right to protect the freedoms of our people with the need to protect ourselves against those who are committed to killing us.

I am not even sure today that we have a public order law.

There is a lot of oestrogen thinking in this country nowadays; all soapy, feely and weepy.

If we want to keep our country peaceful and together, I think it might be useful to combine our love for freedom and human rights with a healthy dose of testosterone.

Because you have to be alive to enjoy your rights, you see.

www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/1490840/-/lmqifaz/-/index.html

I agree with Mathiu...you can’t exactly ‘reason’ with Al shaabab sympathisers & their is enough evidence over the years that the country itself will lose...

A thug found with a gun is normally shot on the spot or if he is lucky to face the penal system & somehow gets released barely survives two weeks before meeting his maker...why should Rogo have been treated any different considering the path he chose? He had it coming & so will Rogo v.2.1...better win/lose a war fighting than expect maana from heaven cowering in a corner...

Concerning Aboud Rogo.
I shed no tears for a man who reveled in murder and chaos, all in the name of 'religion'- particulalry one that bears the name 'peace'.
No condolences or pity towards him. None at all.

Make no mistake I don't condone or approve of extra judicial killings but for a man who made his career in spreading, preaching and embracing violent hate and murder I say "Good riddance to disgusting rubbish"

[reporter911]

Aug 31, 2012 23:13:16 GMT 3 emali said:

Aug 31, 2012 18:11:55 GMT 3 @reporter911 said:

then I guess you applaud the Extra-judicial Killing and carried out assassination in Kenya... and you would have no problem if it were to happen any of your family or friends if ever they were placed on a terrorist list.. they should be gunned down mercilessly without being given a chance to proof their innocences!! then Kenya is Doomed...

When it comes to security I don't have a grey area...justice is bought on a daily basis here & when the president himself by proxy (or could be directly ) is associated with drug dealing extra judicial takes a very fluid definition...

Its hard to convince a miscreant he has broken the law when the local OCS supplied him with a gun of his choice...but like every sector of government their are people who do their jobs & are dedicated to doing what's right,how are they going to sit back when their superiors are all rotten or incompetent? For some of them inaction means suffering or death for some poor soul...

Prisons are overcrowded,the crook has silenced the witnesses & the OCPD is busy campaigning for ODM/PNU police work ni ya wengine...those are all details the country has to endelea...if we followed the 'rule of law' the very dead Wacucu & Wanugu would be 'reformed' citizens planning on a gubernatorial bid...without extra-judicial killings we would be close to the way somalia is...Mungiki is a prime example,if they had not been wiped out by lead they would have taken over Nairobi...I doubt our courts would have done much...


Its not like I'm some bloodthirsty hound, we have no options as long as our leaders continue with their pesa nane siasa...if we get Mutunga-like leadership as PORK then I would cross the floor & be an Al Amin Kimathi sympathizer...

As for Rogo & his ilk I have no tears for them...we are busying fighting al shabaab in Somalia..now we have to deal with these clowns at home? I want to live in peace & not be a victim of some nut seeking religious nirvana... If utumishi kwa wote will do me the service of dispensing with the formalities & give these nuts their ultimate prize then pongezi to the cops...

I have just read the esteemed Addulmote & Jakaswanga posts (makes me want to delete the above lakini…) but this is my understanding of how to solve the problem….

I agree with you on many points.. did you know drug trafficking in Kenya is one big Killer disease? do you recall the list of Drug Dealers Late Saitoti Read in Parliament? what happened to all those big drug dealers mentioned in the report? Drugs are a worse cancers than even religious war in Kenya (because Kenyan Muslims and Christians have lived in harmony for years until the fight against terrorism come in full force ) and Drug trafficking seems to have taken a back burner... this drugs seem to be taking over our youth all over the country. and soon it will be too late.. Kenya will be another Mexico... as for Somalia a quote from late Michuki " if you rattle a Snake it will bite you" not sure if those were the exact words...

[b6k]

Apparently his car was flagged down by security types 4 days before he was gunned down. They let it go once it was discovered his brother, & not the sheikh, was behind the wheel. Death squads active in KE. The GWOT has gone a notch higher in the region...

"“We are certain that there is a hit squad targeting Muslim clerics and other Muslims perceived to be extremists. These mercenaries are monitoring our phones, our lives and then killing us. We believe that Americans, Britons and Israeli security agencies are involved,” Makaburi said.

The US has denied involvement in the killing."

www.nation.co.ke/News/Aboud+Rogos+last+moments/-/1056/1492950/-/item/1/-/g4wgl1z/-/index.html

[abdulmote]

I very much doubt if the British are involved. They cannot get away with it easily like the Americans and the Esraelis can. Public scrutiny and accountability in Britain is sharp and can be challenging. Involvement to a degree, yes. But not on a free for all scheme of things.

For the Americans, such measures are already provided for in law. The Esraelis on the other hand are the mothers of such a policy. As for Kenyans...well...

[jakaswanga]

Sept 1, 2012 22:47:28 GMT 3 abdulmote said:

With current trends getting deeply established as observed herein, it may appear that the 'elitist' governments are beginning to feel the heat. The "romanticism" which rested on the premise of the 'rule of law' is beginning to be tested and buckle under pressure. But is that the case??

Permit me, Abdulmote, to take a tangent from the above citation of yours, and participate further in the on-going discussion. The symptoms indicating this heat is being sorely felt are, in my opinion, more than apparent. And that the 'romanticism' of the fair rule of law is buckling, I think I can make hard, that is, evidentially substantiate.

But first: The political development that led to the monopoly of violence by the state, included as a fundamental tenet, --the universal suffrage of justice. I should elaborate this to mean the principle of equality before the law and the rights to fair trial, and protection from arbitrary persecution. Physical liquidation being an extreme form of persecution.

Because we do not live in an ideal world, the practice has always been less than the statement of mission, and, as such, the right to, for instance, self defense, achieved notoriety as the loophole under which, for instance, colonial societies, organised their liberation movements in armed struggle. There thus became two competing, essentially contending legitimacy's, none with a monopoly of violence in the colony.



The most stable states, stable as opposed to peaceful, were those that guaranteed the citizens the most rights. Authoritarian police states are peaceful but not stable in my opinion.

I once read a publication, WHO IS WHO IN KENYA, THE ECONOMIC WEB, which convincingly made the case, that the Kenyan state is under the control of just a handful of connected families. So I think this observed privatisation of the state, leads inevitably to the question whether the security forces acting out extra-judicial killings are doing it in the national interest, or whether they are merely the the capos, Mafia hit-men, in the service of specific dons.

What is the national interest in murdering Rogo? Does it not widen the gulf between Muslims and Christians? Does it not upset the 'tourist-based' economic sector of Mombasa? I need someone to iron out for me how the national interest, short- or long-term, is served by this extra-judicial slaying.

If it does not serve the national interest, THEN which interest, whose interest, does it serve?

I cannot help but see a parallel between Rogo and some of the Mungiki people slain in the same fashion. Their class background. Rogo, from what I saw of his biography, came from the destitutes. Les Miserables. He went into radical religion where the mungiki folks, who also started religiously, graduated into heavy crime.

Could it be the desperate radicality of the socio-economic stratum from which they spring, that breeds them into the social misfits we see in them? That the very bottom layer of the social pyramid, generates forces that necessarily will disturb the 'tranquil' at the top?

RULE OF LAW AS ONCE UNDERSTOOD, BUCKLING UNDER PRESSURE

It is important to note that, ever since the declaration on the war on terror, political moral standards have slipped. Torture has become defensible as 'robust interrogation technique' under the 'ticking bomb' scenario.

Perhaps it is merely that what hitherto has been hidden is no longer.

The USA no longer believes in fair trial, and their great constitution --if they ever did, if you recall the great miscarriages of justice in the south on blacks --See Scottsboro Alabama. www.loc.gov/exhibits/treasures/trr114.html and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottsboro_Boyscase.

But after the Bush declaration of changed times, it appears publicly the Americans prefer watered down tribunals, what we used to call kangaroo courts when we were civilised, --diluted burden of proof, secretive furtive stuff, conducted way out at Guantanamo with nobody watching!

And what do they do with private Manning who leaked to Assange's wikileaks? Well well, under Obama who declared torture is not American, Manning enjoys Solitary confinement with sleep deprivation and harassment which, in the old days, even Stalin's Russia desisted from as too primitive.

His lawyer called him a prisoner of conscience and major TV studios promptly refused to have in in their shows!

The "romanticism" which rested on the premise of the 'rule of law' is beginning to be tested and buckle under pressure. But is that the case?

I therefore, dear esteemed Abdulmote, answer the above question from you, even if it was essentially rhetorical, ;D deeply in the affirmative.

NB: Abdulmote: we are enacting a new constitution. I think that a constitution can afford to be extremely idealistic. This is why I read the memoirs of the fathers of the American constitution, how terrified they were, when they realised in a slave-owning, racially hierarchical society, they had written the equality of all man, ALL MAN REGARDLESS OF....
They had inserted a bomb under their very economic system! and they knew it! but did they chicken out?

Thinking of them, and looking at our terrorist problem, I still will state: The state of Kenya must not, without the due process of law, fair and square, murder out a citizen of the republic of Kenya.

Means CJ Mutunga can still hand out death sentences by law, but only after the stringent standards of trial have been met.

Sir, this is an ongoing discussion, and there shall definitely be inputs from different angles with other insights. Gladly so.
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[abdulmote]

Macharia has done half the job for me!

The riots after Rogo's death a sign that all is not well with Kenya youth

The execution last week of incendiary Mombasa preacher Aboud Rogo sparked riots that nearly paralysed the haven of sun, sand and sea.

Mombasa (and much of the Kenyan coast) is an idyllic haven of fun where tourists and locals like can loll around and forget about all the pressures of life. Yet the violent protests reveal a time-bomb.

If the killing bore all the hallmarks of an official hit probably carried out by some of the secretive elite squads of the police and intelligence networks, a violent backlash would have been wholly predictable.

But the demonstrators were not just targeting police and other symbols of government. They also turned their ire on churches in what reflects an assault on “upcountry” residents.

Another alarming aspect is that some of those involved in the protests were armed, not just with stones, but with deadly hand grenades that were used to deliberately target security forces.

Even if these were spontaneous protests sparked by the killing of Sheikh Rogo, they also reveal that the cleric’s incendiary sermons filled with hate, violence and incitement to religious war have attracted disciples ready for the call to arms.

The intensity of the protests indicate a radicalisation of Muslim youth attracted to the violent philosophy of Al- Shabaab and Al-Qaeda terrorists groups that Rogo openly espoused.

But is the danger of angry and bitter youth just a Muslim thing? Not by a long shot. The same sense of alienation that may be used to entice youth to crazy ideologies is present across the length and breadth of Kenya where poverty, joblessness and hopelessness reign.

Muslim youths may be enticed to Al-Shabaab just in the same way as “good” Christian youths in central Kenya will be attracted to Mungiki and other dangerous cults and criminal gangs.

More than three decades when we first staged the 'Kenya we Want' conference, then Vice-President Moi correctly diagnosed unemployment and idle youth as a "ticking time-bomb".

He succeeded the rapacious land-grabbing Jomo Kenyatta to the presidency, but did nothing about creating employment.

Instead, he concentrated more on destruction of institutions and presiding over systematic looting of the national wealth that further impoverished the masses.

His successor, President Kibaki, promised economic revival, but he has focused largely on a trickle-down economic theory that helps the rich get richer and blames the poor for their own travails.

Even today, as we approach the end of President Kibaki's 10-year rule, one taking a trip from Mombasa at the Coast to Malaba on the western border will encounter at all townships along the way scores of idle youths whiling away the hours with drugs, drink and crime.

Agriculture is still the mainstay of the economy but is structured under the remnants of a colonial-era bondage system that to date refuses to provide a living wage for farm workers.

The result is that millions of young men and women abandon the countryside and flock to towns and cities in search of elusive employment.

But jobs are hard to come by, hence that angry under-class that now makes the majority in the burgeoning urban populations. This is the under-class that is attracted to the destructive tendencies we are witnessing all over.

Every once in a while, a Maina Njenga and or Sheikh Rogo comes in to capture those minds, and those are the fruits we are reaping.

An incompetent security network unable to handle the ensuing crime then takes the easy option of summary executions as happened with Mungiki a few years ago, and may now have happened with Rogo.

Such actions might impress the victims of organised criminal gangs and terrorism, but when a small cabal of security chiefs become prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner, then civilisation has been thrown out of the window and anarchy is loosened upon the world.

From there, it's just a small step before a cop executes you over a love rivalry or business dispute, and the stupefied citizens will applaud the death of yet another “most wanted” criminal.

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www.nation.co.ke/blogs/Mombasa+riots+sign+that+all+is+not+well+/-/446672/1495510/-/view/asBlogPost/-/11vkqmu/-/index.html

[abdulmote]

Jakaswanga,

It is always a pleasure reading from you and thanks for your noble effort.

I did check on Mutuma's piece; disgusting to say the least. His was a clear symptom of a nation confused, anarchical and naively selfish. Mutuma's opinion is typical of those concerned with their immediate interests at the expense of long term good of our nation's future. Naively selfish, in a manner that all he is concerned about is protecting his immediate interests and wishes. In saying this, I observe similar behaviour amongst the general public, out of Rogo's murder as well as the infamous Mungiki youths massacre under the late Michuki’s watch.

Yesterday I was reading Fatuma Noor's story through her Encounter With American-Somali Jihadists in Nairobi. www.the-star.co.ke/lifestyle/128-lifestyle/29535-my-encounter-with-american-somali-jihadist-in-nairobi-

Despite their common background (with the exception of one who was local and perhaps monetary reward was almost a sole factor), almost all of them had been confronting a common and similar problem; Here were young, intelligent, energetic men, full of testosterones, who felt rejected, hopeless and uselessly unproductive! For them, going back to their motherland and fight for what they perceived as noble, is an opportunity which promises to put value back into their lives, irrespective of what you and I might think of such a venture.

One thing that seemed obvious to me was that all appeared to desperately desire putting meaning to their lives. They wanted to feel useful and respected, with "equal opportunities" just like any other person so recognised. It seems they wanted to 'infuse value' into their lives. Whether others approve of their method or not is beside the point. They were all ready to defy even the painful pleas of their own mothers!

Talking of "their mothers' pleas", I could not help but chuckle at Joho's remarks at the Mombasa Agricultural Show when he politically asked "where the parents when the riots were being carried out by their fifteen to nineteen year olds?". Does Joho think those parents from Majengo and Kisauni were capable of providing all their teenagers' needs like he can? But that is an aside.

Coming back, I think the problems facing those American-Somali youths, are in no way any different from the problems being faced by our home grown youths. Be they the youths of Majengo, Kisauni, or the Mungiki, they are all commonly seeking to "put value" into their lives. Their lives have so far been rendered meaningless with high walls on every turn that they make and there appears to be no hope in sight. The "equal opportunities" we so much drum about are nowhere to be seen.

Those neighbours who seem to have 'made it' do not appear willing to share their success. The government is so busy building flyovers and 'creating wealth' for the elite few, but no one seems bothered about the forgotten ones, the poor and the marginalised. And this is not a minor negligible problem. It is indeed a real problem and an issue that needs to be tackled sincerely and not just through flimsy political rhetoric with a pile of microphones on one hand. It is a problem which demands real attention and generation of achievable practical solutions.

For this lot, this is where 'Religion' comes in. The said 'religion' may be in the form of the controversial indoctrination by the Rogos or Njengas of this world but nevertheless it is from them that they get to hear what they 'need' to hear. It is through these preachers who seem to be in sync with their problems that feel recognised, acknowledged and appreciated. It is through them that they feel 'valued' and their lives worthy of living. It does not matter what Mutuma, you or I think, rightfully or wrongly so! Did I say: "even the painful pleas of their own mothers" are not enough?

Bottom line is; the youth of any given nation are supposed to be a blessing. They are the ones who we may look forward towards their time when they are supposed to take over from where we may have left. But the truth is not everyone in that bracket finds themselves faced with any opportunities at all, leave alone some meaningful ones, that they can derive inspiration from and seek to understand the meaning of their living their lives as we would have wished them to. To many, this is indeed a hopeless world!

And the assassinations whic everyone seems keen on: are they the best solution we have for such a problem?

[wanyee]

Here's an interesting piece by Onyango Oloo:


What Does the Kikambala Tragedy Have to do with Dec.27th?

A Digital Essay by Onyango Oloo

1.0. An Interesting Preview

My initial shock about the Kikambala deadly blast and the near mishap at Port Reitz has given way to profound befuddlement.

There are so many things that do not make sense:

1. A terrorist attack (presumably carried out by Islamic fundamentalists) taking place on the outskirts of a predominantly Muslim town during the holy month of Ramadhan.

2. A missile that just grazes an Israeli charter plane.

3. A light aircraft that disappears from the news headlines after the first day of reporting.

4. A three star hotel razed to the ground with lots of miraculous survivors.

5. A brazen, presumably bold attack on an Israeli owned hotel catering exclusively to Israelis months after Kenyan, Israeli, Australian, German, British and American intelligence agencies were given SPECIFIC ADVANCE WARNINGS about the possibility of this very attack in this very city by these very Al-Qaeda suspects.

6. More than 24 hours elapse before the Kenyan head of state visits the scene of the atrocity.

7. A joint military operation between the US and Kenya-Operation Edged Mallet goes on as if nothing had happened.

8. President Moi leaves for Europe and North America on schedule to discuss, on schedule the need to intensify the war on terrorism in East Africa.

9. Conveniently a joint US military exercise with Djibouti wraps up right around the time that Bush in Washington and Sharon in Tel Aviv are officially fingering Somali based Al-Qaeda operatives as the culprits behind the terrorist attacks.

10. As if on cue, Al-Qaeda comes forward to claim responsibility. And now everybody forgets the previously unheard of Lebanese based group-"Army of Palestine".

I am still scratching my head……

Meanwhile, in a totally unrelated incident, the leading Presidential
candidate just happens to escape a nasty road accident.

As Arsenio Hall used to say, these are things that make you go…..

2.0. Could They Have Looked The Other Way?

A couple of weeks ago, I pondered the following possibility in an essay:

"……Kenyans should watch out for this sinister THIRD FORCE, which I believe will STOP AT NOTHING to ensure that the KANU old guard RETAIN DIRECT POLITICAL POWER.

If KANU can not rig itself back to power or outwit/infiltrate NARC to retain DIRECT political power, I see them resorting to desperate measures.

Some of these desperate measures may include plunging the country into chaos and then using an excuse to declare a state of emergency and the imposition of some form of military rule.……"

At that time, many people thought that it was bit of an alarmist leap in the dark, especially the bit where I speculated about an Uhuru Kenyatta assassination.

Well, now I am thinking that my instincts were right, but thinking of the wrong actors.

I had thought that these desperate measures would come from internal, trained militias with a bloody resume of unleashing vicious and sudden violence right around election time.

I did not consider another chilling possibility:

The likelihood of Moi being in cahoots with those bloodthirsty hawks in the Bush cabinet and the war criminals around Ariel Sharon.

Like always, I am going to be bold, controversial and plain out there with this line of reasoning-its open to challenge of course:-

How about:

- If it was true that the Kenyan authorities and their Israeli and American counterparts knew ahead of time about the Kikambala terrorist plot?
- If Moi, Sharon and Bush agreed that this terrorist attack should take place?
- If the shock and anger of the bombing would reap short term and long term benefits for the above three?
- If the Israelis and the Americans have infiltrated the Al-Qaeda cells in East Africa and want to use them to pursue US military policies?

Think about it: if the above SPECULATION is true, then everything else MAKES SENSE you see.

Why?

The Kenyans and their Western counterparts allowed those attacks to happen because they would all benefit. It would give Moi a bargaining chip when he met Blair and Bush, posing as the elder statesman with the most experience in combating terrorism and promoting western interests in Kenya in contrast to the "novices" waiting in the wings.

Remember that Uhuru Kenyatta has an insider's knowledge of the tourism sector, receives the regular security briefings etc. The Israelis have felt isolated in their attacks on the Palestinians and have been anxious to link their campaign to the American war on terrorism. Kikambala was definitely God sent, in their view. The Americans, fighting charges that they are not doing enough to crush Al-Qaeda can now go ahead with plans of invading Somalia (where there is talk of untapped oil reserves).

But I hear you asking:

Wait a minute Oloo. Al-Qaeda are the sworn enemies of the Americans.

How could they plan anything together?

To which I respond with my own question:

Is that right? Is that true?

It seems to me that Al Qaeda and the Americans really need each other in a macabre way.

Al-Qaeda needs an image of the Great Satan to justify its inhuman atrocities.

And for the Americans, Al-Qaeda has been the savior of the Bush presidency and one of the main factors behind the resurgence of the Republican Party.

As a matter of historical fact, Al-Qaeda was created by the CIA, an agency that Bush Senior once headed.

See for instance:

anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/pk06.html

csf.colorado.edu/forums/pfvs/2002III/msg00877.html

www.nybooks.com/articles/15743

As late as 2001, one of Osama Bin Laden's brothers was President Bush's business partner. Nobody talks about that.

Again, take a peek at this link:

www.americanfreedomnews.com/afn_articles/bushsecrets.htm

And these two as well:

www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html

www.rense.com/general17/kdks.htm

And how about the Israelis? Surely no one can accuse them of being cozy with suspected Islamic militants.

Well, my friend, guess again. How many people know that it was the Israelis who created Hamas, the outfit that is giving them so much grief these days? Don't believe me? That's OK. Do your own research.
Start for instance with this article:

www.guerrillanews.com/war_on_terrorism/doc515.html

And how does all this relate back to Kenya?

In several ways.

www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH021o0

Many of the top wigs in our country are deeply connected to the Israelis.

Just a few examples:

President Moi's personal physician is an Israeli citizen who lives in Israel. Moi has a lot of business deals with citizens of this Middle East nation.

Biwott is up to his neck with business ties to the Israelis.

The Kenyan security forces, notably the secret police and the GSU are trained, by among others, the Israelis.

In 1976 Kenya provided a safe passage and refueling facilities to the Israelis during the Entebbe Raid.

Last year's successful operation to kidnap Kurdish leader Abdallah Ocalan was carried out thanks to the cooperation of the Turks, the Israelis, the Americans and their Kenyan counterparts.

Does anyone remember the 1980 bomb blast at the Norfolk hotel- owned by the Block family? Was anybody ever arrested? Who carried out that attack on the Jewish owned establishment?

Let me emphasize one thing:

I DO NOT, repeat I DO NOT believe in hoary conspiracy theories. I DO NOT subscribe to the infantile and outlandish ANTI-SEMITIC concept of a creepy Zionist plot to take over the world.

What I am doing in this essay is present for discussion the very real possibility that the Kenyans, the Israelis and the Americans could have purposely chosen to look the other way when the bomb blast
happened in order to solidify their respective positions.

And I am saying that there is a distinct possibility that I could be wrong.

The only way to establish the truth about the Kikambala tragedy is to carry out an independent investigation in which the major suspects in a possible cover up, namely the Kenyans, the Israelis and the
Americans are NOT LEADING THE INVESTIGATION.

Now we know that is not going to happen.

And that is why, we must put these questions forward for people to think about, debate over, consider or reject after pondering all the possibilities.

3.0. How Could Moi, Uhuru and KANU Benefit from Kikambala?

As I write these lines Bush is preparing to meet with Moi and Zenawi. In fact the actual news wires were telling me this just a few minutes ago (I am writing this a little before four thirty in the morning on
December the 5th):

abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20021205_168.html

What are they going to be talking about?

Obviously Bush wants to talk about the War on Terrorism and what Kenya can contribute to this global effort. Now, I am not sure if Moi is going to be seated or on his knees, but I am pretty sure, he is
going to ask Bush a simple question:

"What's in it for me, George? Why should I help you? Some of your State Department guys met with Raila just the other day. And let's face it Mr. Bush, I don't think you care for me very much. You know we are in a real danger of losing this election to these NARC guys you have been funding openly. Why don't you get your ambassador in London to go to Kibaki's hospital bed? Isn't he the guy you really want? Why ask me what I can do when you are doing your best to kick me out? I don't care. I can go to one of my chateaus in southern France, to a luxury spa in Haifa or an exotic hideout in Morocco with one of my ndogo ndogos… sorry you don't know what that is…."

Dubya will probably look at Moi gravely and say something intelligent like:

"Daniel, I believe we can work something out. Remember the jam General Musharaff of Uzbekistan, sorry Pakistan was in? We helped him out, you know. He won the election the other day. We can do something
for you too…."

`But George, how? Everybody is expecting me to rig the elections. I am sure somebody is already blaming me for Kibaki's accident, as if I am the one who gave that incompetent matatu driver the money to buy his driver's license…"

"You'd be surprised about what America can do for her friends, Daniel. Wait, I'll give Donald and Colin a call…"

Or words to that effect.

Moi and KANU could still genuinely win this election let us not forget that. NARC contains the seeds of its own destruction. The simmering rift between Wamalwa and Raila may blow over into the open. The other day you saw all the candidates in Baringo Central, including the indomitable Nakuru lawyer Juma Kiplenge throw in the towel for Gideon Moi. How many KANU moles lurk in the NARC, Ford-People, and Safina and SDP opposition parties? Only time will tell.

Was the road accident involving Kibaki an assassination attempt? Well, we Kenyans like jumping to conclusions and so far there is nothing to make us seriously believe that. But can we really rule out the possibility of an attempt to take out Kibaki before December 27th? I wouldn't.

Like millions of my compatriots I believe that if the elections are free and fair, NARC will probably register a landslide victory.

But will the elections be free and fair?

Can KANU be trusted?

Is Moi prepared to recede from centre-stage?

The answers to these questions will determine who is sworn in as the country's third president in January 2003.

Onyango Oloo
Montreal

4:40 am, Eastern Standard Time
Thursday, December 5, 2002

SOURCE: www.jamiiforums.com/kenyan-politics/307909-tension-in-mombasa-as-al-shabaab-suspect-rogo-killed-7.html
(Response #131 - 3rd September 2012, 18:04)

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See also:

Mossad Bombs Paradise Hotel in Mombasa
The precise anatomy of an attack that only "looked like" it was targeted on Jews, Part 1

Israel Tries To Steal Mombasa "Evidence"
The precise anatomy of an attack that only "looked like" it was targeted on Jews, Part 2

Ref: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5402&page=1 (Reply #12)
(Thread - Cockburn on Osama Death: "A Volcano of Lies")

[Onyango Oloo]

www.france24.com/en/20120905-kenya-mysteriously-killed-disappeared-islamic-clerics-mombasa-rogo-kassim-shabaab

[jakaswanga]

Sept 7, 2012 8:20:56 GMT 3 Onyango Oloo said:

www.france24.com/en/20120905-kenya-mysteriously-killed-disappeared-islamic-clerics-mombasa-rogo-kassim-shabaab

These days – unlike the old days – she wants answers. “I want to know where is my husband. I’m missing my husband. Life is not easy,” she explains softly. “If the government can tell me, all I want is to know if he’s alive or dead.”

Is A quiet appeal, soft spoken from the heart, and a honest reflection of a normal being in that pain. But, Alas, it is an appeal spoken to the winds. No one in authority in her country will listen. She is wasting her time. Her wishes are crushed up-head, like the desires for life of herds, smelling misfortune in the abbatoir-yard. Yet she is only 24, with young kids, living in her country. The justice we sing about in our natoinal anthem, will never be her shield and defender. She and her children may be God's creation, but in Kenya, our Kenya, her plight is the plight of an insect on a road, in front of a speeding tanker-truck. Oblivion.

So, CJ Mutunga, the well-meaning mortal perched at the top of the titular organisation dedicated to justice in Kenya, and indeed officially titled Chief Justice, will have to find a reason why he, too, is of the tied hands. I mean the office of the CJ does not delve into individual unsubstantiated cases, mere rumours slanderously sprayed about by semi-illiterate concubines of street vermin, aka sheikhs, doubling up as al-shabab point men. Not so?

It is a situation one wants to watch carefully since the absence of justice in history, is a situation humans have always been ready to shed blood to correct.

Funny, another word has been introduced to me, now used in certain sectors of Kenyans to describe these liquidated terrorist sympathizers: the word is 'martyr'!

I got to go and get informed some more on this concept, because, honestly, this word has no emotional resonance in my Christian upbringing, but my instincts tell me it would be unforgivable intellectual negligence to continue basking in that kind of ignorance, innocence, or just plain disinterest.

A season of martyrs could be upon us. In the offing.

[b6k]

Sept 7, 2012 3:30:00 GMT 3 wanyee said:

What are they going to be talking about?

Obviously Bush wants to talk about the War on Terrorism and what Kenya can contribute to this global effort. Now, I am not sure if Moi is going to be seated or on his knees, but I am pretty sure, he is
going to ask Bush a simple question:

"What's in it for me, George? Why should I help you? Some of your State Department guys met with Raila just the other day. And let's face it Mr. Bush, I don't think you care for me very much. You know we are in a real danger of losing this election to these NARC guys you have been funding openly. Why don't you get your ambassador in London to go to Kibaki's hospital bed? Isn't he the guy you really want? Why ask me what I can do when you are doing your best to kick me out? I don't care. I can go to one of my chateaus in southern France, to a luxury spa in Haifa or an exotic hideout in Morocco with one of my ndogo ndogos… sorry you don't know what that is…."

Dubya will probably look at Moi gravely and say something intelligent like:

"Daniel, I believe we can work something out. Remember the jam General Musharaff of Uzbekistan, sorry Pakistan was in? We helped him out, you know. He won the election the other day. We can do something
for you too…."

`But George, how? Everybody is expecting me to rig the elections. I am sure somebody is already blaming me for Kibaki's accident, as if I am the one who gave that incompetent matatu driver the money to buy his driver's license…"

"You'd be surprised about what America can do for her friends, Daniel. Wait, I'll give Donald and Colin a call…"

Or words to that effect.

Hehehe. Wanyee it looks like you busted OO doing an "Omwenga" ;D

[wanyee]

b6k,

Sielewi. Tafadhali fafanua...

[b6k]

Sept 12, 2012 4:36:42 GMT 3 wanyee said:

b6k,

Sielewi. Tafadhali fafanua...

Wanyee, you may recall Omwenga was recently given a yellow card by OO, ostensibly for dabbling in hypothetical conversations (aka fiction) by certain political personalities. It's interesting to see that the admin once employed a similar style of allowing his imagination to run....wild ;D