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Post by enigma on Oct 12, 2012 18:42:19 GMT 3
I have tried to sign onto the same deep cogitation and found that the handle 'Enigma' has been hijacked by a desirous soul. Very well. I do not own copyright to that handle, but for the avoidance of doubt, let it be known that the views of that particular enigma are not necessarily my own and I remain the one Enigma of Jukwaa. I shall visit Deep Cogitation as a guest but am signed up on Jukwaa. End of.
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 12, 2012 18:47:55 GMT 3
I have tried to sign onto the same deep cogitation and found that the handle 'Enigma' has been hijacked by a desirous soul. Very well. I do not own copyright to that handle, but for the avoidance of doubt, let it be known that the views of that particular enigma are not necessarily my own and I remain the one Enigma of Jukwaa. I shall visit Deep Cogitation as a guest but am signed up on Jukwaa. End of. Just sign up as Enigma-jukwaa that will sure state the difference ama ;D
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Post by podp on Oct 12, 2012 21:25:03 GMT 3
Now I wish I had kept my big mouth shut. You see by DEFINITION, everything you write online leaves behind digital footprints. Sometimes the spooks ain't human. For example those cookies which are embedded in your email, in the web pages you surf, in the texts you send and receive on your so called "smart" phones keep track of all your movements in cyberspace. Fret not: we are ALL under surveillance. What was worrisome however was to learn that some of our members had been hauled before cops offline at their respective workplaces for stuff they had posted in Jukwaa. To give more details like identifying the threads and what not would expose these individuals to more harassment, including possible loss of employment and even worse. So let us leave it there. As for the identity of the so called "snitches" I would not even go there. Take it for granted that Jukwaa is LITTERED with agents of NSIS, CIA, MI5, MI6 and the agents of Uganda, Tanzania, South Africa even Kiribati, Vanuatu and Fiji for all I know. Do not be paranoid. Just accept them as fellow Jukwaa members who think there is ENOUGH INTELLIGENCE to be gathered on this forum which is teeming with so much brain power. Here are some interesting links: www.oafrica.com/ict-policy/freedom-on-the-net-2012-report-finds-mixed-results-for-africa/www.oafrica.com/ict-policy/egyptian-eritrean-tunisian-internet-still-considered-under-surveillance/www.armageddononline.org/totalitarianism-surveillance-technology.htmlwww.govtech.com/public-safety/Police-May-Embrace-Social-Media-Surveillance.htmlen.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELONOnyango Oloo I thought all Jukwaa members were anonymous? how did the CID & NSIS know their names and places of work unless there is a very dangerous snitch on Jukwaa.. ? so does it mean the CID & NSIS know all other jukwaa members names and places pf work? I don't think Kenyans have any beef with CIA, MI5, MI6 or any other foreign agents for that matter.. no member is politicking about other countries... it is all about Kenya politics and for that reason.. CID & NSIS are not known to be fair.. I.e Extra-judicial killings of Mungiki youth sends chills to any Kenyan except for those who were involved.. No one wants to see any Jukwaa member disappear because of posting and debating current politics & government corruption on here.. I find it very disturbing that some members were exposed!! red highlight well in the modern times one always leaves a trail and the best about internet is that technology is making it possible to decipher what most of us might think is 'secret'. additionally when tempers flare like between you and the lady moderator one could place your location without being a trained sleuth lastly we always will have snitches in our lives so we just have to get used to them as the vermin in our homes or 'better' still the house flies when you have a nyama choma feast
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 12, 2012 22:23:58 GMT 3
I thought all Jukwaa members were anonymous? how did the CID & NSIS know their names and places of work unless there is a very dangerous snitch on Jukwaa.. ? so does it mean the CID & NSIS know all other jukwaa members names and places pf work? I don't think Kenyans have any beef with CIA, MI5, MI6 or any other foreign agents for that matter.. no member is politicking about other countries... it is all about Kenya politics and for that reason.. CID & NSIS are not known to be fair.. I.e Extra-judicial killings of Mungiki youth sends chills to any Kenyan except for those who were involved.. No one wants to see any Jukwaa member disappear because of posting and debating current politics & government corruption on here.. I find it very disturbing that some members were exposed!! red highlight well in the modern times one always leaves a trail and the best about internet is that technology is making it possible to decipher what most of us might think is 'secret'. additionally when tempers flare like between you and the lady moderator one could place your location without being a trained sleuth lastly we always will have snitches in our lives so we just have to get used to them as the vermin in our homes or 'better' still the house flies when you have a nyama choma feast Podp I tend to think most jukwaa members are intelligent enough to by this time to know who is who on this blog.. if not that is their problem.. like everyone else for protection purposes I bet you all with proper Internet search engines or with friends who work in the Internet search security programs I would imagine ask them to find out who is who on Jukwaa by using tools that most people are unaware of.. let just say I careless to your reference in regards to the Moderator pinpointing my location.. My point on this thread was for those Jukwaa members who have been pulled in by CID & NSIS for questioning I guess to you that is acceptable.. it doesn't seem to bother you ama...
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Post by podp on Oct 13, 2012 12:06:52 GMT 3
red highlight well in the modern times one always leaves a trail and the best about internet is that technology is making it possible to decipher what most of us might think is 'secret'. additionally when tempers flare like between you and the lady moderator one could place your location without being a trained sleuth lastly we always will have snitches in our lives so we just have to get used to them as the vermin in our homes or 'better' still the house flies when you have a nyama choma feast Podp I tend to think most jukwaa members are intelligent enough to by this time to know who is who on this blog.. if not that is their problem.. like everyone else for protection purposes I bet you all with proper Internet search engines or with friends who work in the Internet search security programs I would imagine ask them to find out who is who on Jukwaa by using tools that most people are unaware of.. let just say I careless to your reference in regards to the Moderator pinpointing my location.. My point on this thread was for those Jukwaa members who have been pulled in by CID & NSIS for questioning I guess to you that is acceptable.. it doesn't seem to bother you ama... why should anyone allow themselves in this century and era be called, pulled in or dragged from under their beds by any state security agency! think reporter. ask youself. transport your mind to the 60s/70s/80s and imagine. what would you be asked then? do you listen to BBC radio? do you tune in to Radio Tanzania? if yes say to the latter the question to follow would be 'do you hear Mwalimu Nyerere refer to our country as "man eat man society"?' so fast forward to our present time and the questioning would be like 'do you blog?' do you visit blogs? do you get email in your yahoo/gmail/hotmail? are the emails talking about the great thief of 2007 elections? do you read blogs about ICC suspects? what do you make of that! common reporter smell the coffee and tell yourself who needs to answer any of the above questions? and if you allow your privacy to be invaded are there ways you can seek justice?
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 13, 2012 17:07:04 GMT 3
Podp I tend to think most jukwaa members are intelligent enough to by this time to know who is who on this blog.. if not that is their problem.. like everyone else for protection purposes I bet you all with proper Internet search engines or with friends who work in the Internet search security programs I would imagine ask them to find out who is who on Jukwaa by using tools that most people are unaware of.. let just say I careless to your reference in regards to the Moderator pinpointing my location.. My point on this thread was for those Jukwaa members who have been pulled in by CID & NSIS for questioning I guess to you that is acceptable.. it doesn't seem to bother you ama... why should anyone allow themselves in this century and era be called, pulled in or dragged from under their beds by any state security agency! think reporter. ask youself. transport your mind to the 60s/70s/80s and imagine. what would you be asked then? do you listen to BBC radio? do you tune in to Radio Tanzania? if yes say to the latter the question to follow would be 'do you hear Mwalimu Nyerere refer to our country as "man eat man society"?' so fast forward to our present time and the questioning would be like 'do you blog?' do you visit blogs? do you get email in your yahoo/gmail/hotmail? are the emails talking about the great thief of 2007 elections? do you read blogs about ICC suspects? what do you make of that! common reporter smell the coffee and tell yourself who needs to answer any of the above questions? and if you allow your privacy to be invaded are there ways you can seek justice? The above statement was posted by Oloo.. maybe you should address your lecture to him.. since you seem not to believe him when he says some jukwaa members were hauled in before the cops from their work for stuff they posted on jukwaa..UNLESS YOU ARE PRIVY TO INFORMATION THAT JUKWAA MEMBERS ARE NOT AWAY OF IN REGARDS TO THE ABOVE INCIDENT!! AMA.. and for you information just like you I joined jukwaa anonymously, as you referenced Jukwaa moderator decided to give out my private information... do you really think just because you registered anonymously on jukwaa as Podp that you are still anonymous? think again... ;D ;D
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 15, 2012 15:50:28 GMT 3
Now I wish I had kept my big mouth shut. You see by DEFINITION, everything you write online leaves behind digital footprints. Sometimes the spooks ain't human. For example those cookies which are embedded in your email, in the web pages you surf, in the texts you send and receive on your so called "smart" phones keep track of all your movements in cyberspace. Fret not: we are ALL under surveillance. What was worrisome however was to learn that some of our members had been hauled before cops offline at their respective workplaces for stuff they had posted in Jukwaa. To give more details like identifying the threads and what not would expose these individuals to more harassment, including possible loss of employment and even worse. So let us leave it there. As for the identity of the so called "snitches" I would not even go there. Take it for granted that Jukwaa is LITTERED with agents of NSIS, CIA, MI5, MI6 and the agents of Uganda, Tanzania, South Africa even Kiribati, Vanuatu and Fiji for all I know. Do not be paranoid. Just accept them as fellow Jukwaa members who think there is ENOUGH INTELLIGENCE to be gathered on this forum which is teeming with so much brain power. Here are some interesting links: www.oafrica.com/ict-policy/freedom-on-the-net-2012-report-finds-mixed-results-for-africa/www.oafrica.com/ict-policy/egyptian-eritrean-tunisian-internet-still-considered-under-surveillance/www.armageddononline.org/totalitarianism-surveillance-technology.htmlwww.govtech.com/public-safety/Police-May-Embrace-Social-Media-Surveillance.htmlen.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELONOnyango OlooThink about it another way, Jukwaa ... what you do here is so important, governments have committed their employees to it. You are important. Mank, It had not actually occurred to me that some people could actually be paid to read what we post here! The problem with this, is that it then demands, even dictates that we become extremely serious, and thoughtful about the issues we comment on. Jukwaa not being entertainment, it means nobody is paid to come here for fun! So pull up your mental socks ladies and gents, and, Otishhimself, no more bar talk about what girls can do in patpong, and other easterly heavens! We do not want to corrupt the simple minds of our security officers!
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Post by OtishOtish on Oct 15, 2012 15:58:48 GMT 3
Jakaswanga:
Can you write me a letter of reference to the DC Vetting Board? I am still "on hold ... pending member vetting". Perhaps asking to replace the Blog Admin was not the best way to introduce myself.
Regarding that incident in Patpong, let me go on the record as stating that I did not enjoy it. The tune was supposed to be the first four notes of "When The Saints Go Marching In" in C-Major, which should be easy enough, but it was rather badly played: the articulation was dull, the notes weren't very clean (in more ways than one), and the "player" did not have enough air to sustain the fourth note, which should be much longer than the others---ta taa ta taaaa.
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Post by podp on Oct 16, 2012 21:22:02 GMT 3
why should anyone allow themselves in this century and era be called, pulled in or dragged from under their beds by any state security agency! think reporter. ask youself. transport your mind to the 60s/70s/80s and imagine. what would you be asked then? do you listen to BBC radio? do you tune in to Radio Tanzania? if yes say to the latter the question to follow would be 'do you hear Mwalimu Nyerere refer to our country as "man eat man society"?' so fast forward to our present time and the questioning would be like 'do you blog?' do you visit blogs? do you get email in your yahoo/gmail/hotmail? are the emails talking about the great thief of 2007 elections? do you read blogs about ICC suspects? what do you make of that! common reporter smell the coffee and tell yourself who needs to answer any of the above questions? and if you allow your privacy to be invaded are there ways you can seek justice? The above statement was posted by Oloo.. maybe you should address your lecture to him.. since you seem not to believe him when he says some jukwaa members were hauled in before the cops from their work for stuff they posted on jukwaa..UNLESS YOU ARE PRIVY TO INFORMATION THAT JUKWAA MEMBERS ARE NOT AWAY OF IN REGARDS TO THE ABOVE INCIDENT!! AMA.. and for you information just like you I joined jukwaa anonymously, as you referenced Jukwaa moderator decided to give out my private information... do you really think just because you registered anonymously on jukwaa as Podp that you are still anonymous? think again... ;D ;D 1st red highlight why should I believe OO? actually you are more believeable than most real people as you are 'fake'. just for your info it is best to trust than to believe unless you are a follower of Sir G and his siblings the most famous being Lord J and the most feared being one M whose followers can issue a fatwa 2nd red highlight help me think by asking intelligent questions
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Post by mank on Oct 17, 2012 0:58:44 GMT 3
Think about it another way, Jukwaa ... what you do here is so important, governments have committed their employees to it. You are important. Mank, It had not actually occurred to me that some people could actually be paid to read what we post here! The problem with this, is that it then demands, even dictates that we become extremely serious, and thoughtful about the issues we comment on. Jukwaa not being entertainment, it means nobody is paid to come here for fun!
So pull up your mental socks ladies and gents, and, Otishhimself, no more bar talk about what girls can do in patpong, and other easterly heavens! We do not want to corrupt the simple minds of our security officers!Jakaswanga, I was also surprised to read that we have paid company here. However I have gotten used to that idea. I never imagined that anything we discussed here deserves that kind of attention. It really should not, in my opinion, but someone somewhere must be too paranoid to be rational.
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 17, 2012 5:15:32 GMT 3
The above statement was posted by Oloo.. maybe you should address your lecture to him.. since you seem not to believe him when he says some jukwaa members were hauled in before the cops from their work for stuff they posted on jukwaa..UNLESS YOU ARE PRIVY TO INFORMATION THAT JUKWAA MEMBERS ARE NOT AWAY OF IN REGARDS TO THE ABOVE INCIDENT!! AMA.. and for you information just like you I joined jukwaa anonymously, as you referenced Jukwaa moderator decided to give out my private information... do you really think just because you registered anonymously on jukwaa as Podp that you are still anonymous? think again... ;D ;D 1st red highlight why should I believe OO? actually you are more believeable than most real people as you are 'fake'. just for your info it is best to trust than to believe unless you are a follower of Sir G and his siblings the most famous being Lord J and the most feared being one M whose followers can issue a fatwa 2nd red highlight help me think by asking intelligent questions When you post nonsense and propaganda and insults then you look foolish.. no need to answer you on that.. where exactly is your brain? under your ears? try posting some intelligent posts than resorting to insults.. I can throw some insults too... if that's the direction you want to take then game on.. I'm on standby..
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 17, 2012 5:22:51 GMT 3
Mank, It had not actually occurred to me that some people could actually be paid to read what we post here! The problem with this, is that it then demands, even dictates that we become extremely serious, and thoughtful about the issues we comment on. Jukwaa not being entertainment, it means nobody is paid to come here for fun!
So pull up your mental socks ladies and gents, and, Otishhimself, no more bar talk about what girls can do in patpong, and other easterly heavens! We do not want to corrupt the simple minds of our security officers! Jakaswanga, I was also surprised to read that we have paid company here. However I have gotten used to that idea. I never imagined that anything we discussed here deserves that kind of attention. It really should not, in my opinion, but someone somewhere must be too paranoid to be rational. Hey let them enjoy free $$$$$ notice how they come out with synchronized attacks to proof to their pay masters that they are hard at work who can tell with blogs.. spy's on top of spy's it is like Cold war time! Russia Vs USA Sad that some Jukwaa members had to be pulled from work to be questioned by CID & NSIS as per Oloo's information.. "Snitchs" at the end of the day turn on each other.. time will tell!
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 17, 2012 11:18:14 GMT 3
OTISHHIMSELF, I have sent a PM to a contact of mine at DC. We used to be chummy on Jukwaa, and I hope we continue in the same vein, even if of late I have not said exactly flattering things about the DC crowd. I have sung your praises: your prose is excellent. You check your spellings. You are versed on the ICC and her catacombes of intrigue at law. You are a gentleman who does not engage in the type of China squad vs american marines manamba melees in busparks, --primitive fistfights jakaswanga is of wont.
I have also said you are bored at Jukwaa and is ready to move to greener pastures. That you wanted to replace the adminstrator was an indisciplined slip of the mask of vanity. It wont happen again.
And if DC manages to eat humble pie and sign you in, they would have dealt Oloo the deathblow they so desperately wish to bestow upon him and his anti ODM blog! since the hole or vacuum you will leave at Jukwaa as you depart, would not be filled for ever!
I think none ever had a better letter of recommendation than the one I penned and sent on your behalf.
NB: on shrinking nuts in the face of matriarchal wives, perhaps you could ask my brother eistein to translate for you the concept of doho. It can loosely be called polygamy. And one chooses wisely such that, when nuts shrink with Marta, with Aida it is all expansion. To Ceasar what is hers, to Jehova what is hers too.
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Post by OtishOtish on Oct 17, 2012 16:45:41 GMT 3
OTISHHIMSELF, I have sent a PM to a contact of mine at DC. We used to be chummy on Jukwaa, and I hope we continue in the same vein, even if of late I have not said exactly flattering things about the DC crowd. I have sung your praises: your prose is excellent. You check your spellings. You are versed on the ICC and her catacombes of intrigue at law. You are a gentleman who does not engage in the type of China squad vs american marines manamba melees in busparks, --primitive fistfights jakaswanga is of wont. I have also said you are bored at Jukwaa and is ready to move to greener pastures. That you wanted to replace the adminstrator was an indisciplined slip of the mask of vanity. It wont happen again. And if DC manages to eat humble pie and sign you in, they would have dealt Oloo the deathblow they so desperately wish to bestow upon him and his anti ODM blog! since the hole or vacuum you will leave at Jukwaa as you depart, would not be filled for ever! I think none ever had a better letter of recommendation than the one I penned and sent on your behalf. NB: on shrinking nuts in the face of matriarchal wives, perhaps you could ask my brother eistein to translate for you the concept of doho. It can loosely be called polygamy. And one chooses wisely such that, when nuts shrink with Marta, with Aida it is all expansion. To Ceasar what is hers, to Jehova what is hers too. Thank you for that letter, which I am sure einstein will forward to the Blog Admin. You are a good man, and you will get your reward in heaven; here on earth, I will see what I can do to find you a replacement for Ms. Karua. Continuing on the positive path, my legal counsel has pointed out that my appeal may be based on a technicality: strictly speaking, I did not offer to replace the Admin; I merely asked how he could be replaced. As for the nuts thing, my spiritual counselor, the local bishop, has assured me that marriage has many rewards and that I am happy in it even if I don't know it. On the basis of such a strong recommendation, I encourage you take the plunge.
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Post by podp on Oct 26, 2012 15:53:25 GMT 3
1st red highlight why should I believe OO? actually you are more believeable than most real people as you are 'fake'. just for your info it is best to trust than to believe unless you are a follower of Sir G and his siblings the most famous being Lord J and the most feared being one M whose followers can issue a fatwa 2nd red highlight help me think by asking intelligent questions When you post nonsense and propaganda and insults then you look foolish.. no need to answer you on that.. where exactly is your brain? under your ears? try posting some intelligent posts than resorting to insults.. I can throw some insults too... if that's the direction you want to take then game on.. I'm on standby.. was there a lights out (in Kenya guys say black out as in a person who has taken one too many alcoholic drinks and is no longer conscious) where you are such that you needed a standby generator? whatever it is you are drinking (or smoking) or popping do it in moderation please. sanity comes in degree(s)!
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Post by reporter911 on Oct 26, 2012 17:54:56 GMT 3
When you post nonsense and propaganda and insults then you look foolish.. no need to answer you on that.. where exactly is your brain? under your ears? try posting some intelligent posts than resorting to insults.. I can throw some insults too... if that's the direction you want to take then game on.. I'm on standby.. was there a lights out (in Kenya guys say black out as in a person who has taken one too many alcoholic drinks and is no longer conscious) where you are such that you needed a standby generator? whatever it is you are drinking (or smoking) or popping do it in moderation please. sanity comes in degree(s)! is it changaa or the local brew that you are indulging yourself with? it might have already caused you blindness.. better be blind than ignorant ama?
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