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Post by nereah on Oct 6, 2012 11:08:22 GMT 3
this seminal thread is for all intent and purposes meant to address the conceivable uhuru kenyatta phenomenon in kenya politics and as regularly as possible analyze his politics,scores,risks and trajectory in kenyan politics. it is informed by four distinct imperatives: 1.all indication are that uhuru kenyatta is on the ascendance but more instructive is the disturbing reality that he is gobbling up the democratic space with induced depletion of rival political parties and by far indicative of lack of respect to democratic ideals and betrays hidden but potentially destructive belief in autocracy,dominance by affluence and suppression of such quest as restitution over colonial injustices like land grabbing. 3.that in president uhuru kenyatta, kenya could be internationally scandalized with its commander-in-chief of the defense forces facing worst crimes against humanity at the international criminal court.more disturbing is the fact that the country seems not fully seized of the causal effects not mentioning probable sanctions and constitutional crisis. 4.while other parties like odm are struggling to raise campaign funds through dinner parties, tna is by show sound.uhuru is arguably the most wealthiest politician alive in kenya today and curiously has never been mentioned adversely in any grand malfeasance which bring to focus his source of wealth and its role in the matrix that is kibaki succession:is uhuru buying his way into leadership with the iconic kenyatta brand or there is the other side of muigai that kenyans are yet to see and know? from this day to the swearing in of kenya's fourth president, this thread will remain dedicated to the political persona of uhuru kenyatta with focus on his hustings,credentials,engagement model,the legal battle at hague and in kenya.i invite you to help interrogate the beliefs,ideology,values and any conceivable risk that uhuru pose to kenyan dream with his quest to succeed his next door neighbour,mzee kibaki as the president of kenya. jukwaa's references:1. why i am wary of uhuru kenyatta, thread initiated by vintage member b6k on sept 29 2012. jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=74092. why some of us are wary of uhuru-mudavadi protege,sept 2012 reporter911jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=74033. Is Uhuru Kenyatta giving up his PORK ambitions? Titchaz Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7087#ixzz28VVnrrEd4. The National Alliance Speech by DPM UHURU KENYATTARead more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6974#ixzz28VW7meR55. icc suspect uhuru kenyatta,aprill 2011, nowayhahajukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=52726. uhuru,maina njenga &thuo:mungiki&icc fallout!,may 2012, jobRead more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6942#ixzz28VMCOdg97. kalonzo,uhuru & ruto in new coalition talks!to ICC,october 2012, reporter911Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7427#ixzz28VNiFQkp
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 6, 2012 12:22:20 GMT 3
1.all indication are that uhuru kenyatta is on the ascendance but more instructive is the disturbing reality that he is gobbling up the democratic space with induced depletion of rival political parties and by far indicative of lack of respect to democratic ideals and betrays hidden but potentially destructive belief in autocracy,dominance by affluence and suppression of such quest as restitution over colonial injustices like land grabbing. A NOTE on the T HE RESURGENCE OF UK: THE FURY OF THE CORNERED BEASTYes, Nereah, There has been a new spring in the step of the son of Jomo lately, as far as local politics go. But The ICC is a rock around his feet and there is no way he can pretend otherwise. Stlill he has been motivated to find distraction in emersing himself fully in local intrigue. The crunch, or wake up call, came when a group of young turks hired by UK, tried to make a pitch for influence over the agenda of the candidate. The only way they could do this, and let the other Onyango Oloo now laugh, was by pitching their thinking. Technocrats: Listen Uhuru, the reason the Romney campaign is not working is because he is not listening to experts! but only to his fellow monied snakes! So the technocrats had two things to contend for UK' s ear with. 1. Kibaki, and most of your fellow-classmates of aristocratic capital dependent on state control, have ditched you in the succession game, because of the ICC-risk, and believe it or not, Mudavadi is their safe candiDate, their entry horse. You are orphaned. 2. It is not a closed case that the next PORK can not be of Gikuyu extraction. But it is a closed case, that it will not be a gikuyu who can not build a cross national majority alliance. So, take a risk, be your own man for once and go for it! Raila is a warrior, slaying him will be your political circumcision! And stop drinking sir! 3. Win the election, and that ICC may just go to the back burner! Such can be the world! NB: Instead of UK firing his team of experts he .... --the first intellectual fruit of labour was the article he penned in the local dailies, available on jukwaa courtesy of Kamalet.The second, was to test Raila' s outer armour in Nairobi with a few pin-pricks. Quickly Shebesh and Wanjiru buckled. T he most audacious move to come from the UK camp, the master set mapped out by the famous double of Jukwaa's administrator, is the deliberate wooing of the technocratic and upstarting urban business class in search of capital to invest. This class is smart enough to hold her cards next to her wallet, and has the capacity to see through empty campaign rhetoric, as opposed to signed documents and affidavits in bank vaults. Yes, the son of Jomo has become very aggressive. And it could be Bensouda of the ICC who is left to stop the unleashed beast!
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Post by nereah on Oct 6, 2012 18:09:09 GMT 3
uhuru with the little known love of his life at a rare social outing Yes, the son of Jomo has become very aggressive. And it could be Bensouda of the ICC who is left to stop the unleashed beast! my concern is that unlike raila,kenya knows little about uhuru kenyatta and as a potential leader, we must from now henceforth probe,cajole,query,pry,examine and interrogate uhuru the man;the politician;the leader. it is in uhuru's interest to begin telling to kenyans his story and open up his past as agwambo has ably done.
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Post by OtishOtish on Oct 6, 2012 18:54:05 GMT 3
it is in uhuru's interest to begin telling to kenyans his story How so, Dada Nereah, when he seems to be doing just fine without any telling? I don't think the average Kenyan voter even cares about such things ... more's the pity. The guy is due in court, charged with the worst crimes known to man, and he's a leading presidential candidate! The change that is required is of the Kenyan voters. Uhuru himself is going nowhere except an ICC-approved jail. But those flocking to his side have probably made a good strategic decision (if winning is all that matters) in deciding to ride on his money-covered coat-tails.
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Post by nereah on Oct 7, 2012 11:21:29 GMT 3
very interesting takes there by otishotish and jakaswangaallow me to disgress and draw your attention to a hint on uhuru's outlook as being dropped by uhuru kenyatta's mouthpiece: tinyurl.com/9g82yfzthen there is the mischievous scholar photoed above with thought provoking attempt at unmasking uhuru's real agenda. here is the link tinyurl.com/8g8v6jd
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Post by phil on Oct 7, 2012 11:58:26 GMT 3
Before the ICC summons and confirmations.........Archives: The TV interview Uhuru Kenyatta may wish to forget. October 2, 2012|Posted in: Politics BY: OSUGO MOSETI July 30th 2008 is the day Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta would love to erase from his memory. Mr. Kenyatta was on official duty in London when he got a rare opportunity to be interviewed by BBC’s Stephen Sucker host of the famed program Hard Talk.
The show is best known for the tough and direct questions posed by the Oxford and Harvard educated host. To succeed in the show, one must be original and honest; often guests who resort to academic answers perform poorly.
Watching the show again, leaves no doubt that Uhuru has no decorum, flair, sophistication and style to display and portray his own country in good light.
One cannot fail to note how devastating it was for Hon. Kenyatta- he displayed arrogance, avoided almost all the questions and resorted to reframing questions to suit his line of thinking.
Despite his international academic sojourn, Uhuru has become diluted by Kenya’s political system, and has picked the bad manners of Kenya’s political class of the past. Uhuru is now just a politician who is part of the crowd, and therefore fails to bring a new style, character, modernity and substance into Kenya’s political stable.
As you watch this video, it will become clear that during the interview, he demonstrated a lack of courtesy and can be seen to be interjecting almost every question the host tried to put across.
Uhuru needs to know; that humans have 2 ears and 1 mouth for a reason, he should listen twice as much as he talks.
Of interest were questions on land reform, rigged elections, Mungiki, MPs salaries and the TJRC which Uhuru seemed not to understand its role. Just watch and judge for yourself.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Oct 7, 2012 16:48:19 GMT 3
Meanwhile, Uhuru kicks off his Umoja, Usawa and Uwazi campaign in Nakuru next week. This guy is all over and his ODM's heads spinning. Can they manage to concentrate on any one thing he is doing? Even before they see through their Naivasha plan, the man is already moved another two or three miles.
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Post by Ouali on Oct 9, 2012 1:23:42 GMT 3
Phil, Ruto too was cornered by the same guy on HardTalk yesterday. You could see ruto literally shaking and trying to fake a smile. In fact at some time he pulled the ussual line of being ambushed by some weighty questions he had not prepared for. Ruto declared he has no friends in kenya, that he worked hard to be rich but does not run any of his bussiness at all. It all tells you what working hard in kenya means. I really mistook ruto for a cornered thief.
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Post by nereah on Oct 10, 2012 18:54:38 GMT 3
Meanwhile, Uhuru kicks off his Umoja, Usawa and Uwazi campaign in Nakuru next week. This guy is all over and his ODM's heads spinning. Can they manage to concentrate on any one thing he is doing? Even before they see through their Naivasha plan, the man is already moved another two or three miles. mwalimumu? ;D nice seeing you. i am curious about this umoja,usawa and uwazi campaign and its roll out;from the messaging to the timing and choice of venue.how does candidate uhuru intend to propagate unity,equality and transparency to his core base and at worse the national constituency without inflaming passions as regard to the unresolved but explosive issues like historical idps(landless kenyans);justice for the pev and ethnic mobilisation against the presidency of agwambo?
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Post by raiswakesho on Oct 10, 2012 22:27:16 GMT 3
What were the failures of the 1st president mzee Jomo Kenyatta? I wish someone could ask UK this question.
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Post by nereah on Oct 21, 2012 11:15:22 GMT 3
uhuru appears to be a good student of his late father. just like his father destroyed kadu and got their backing for his presidency and just as kenyatta incredibly diminished the likes of james gichuru,gilbert kaggia and dr julius kiano to emerge the numero uno of central province and; just like mzee jomo manipulated his way into the kanu's upper echelon, so does jomo junior as our politicalmaniac ;D wont to call him. let it be pointed out that old jomo was not as wealthy as then and not as educated. infact it can be argued that kenyatta's influence and stranglehold among the kikuyus was the work of outsiders like achieng oneko and jaramogi who elevated kenyatta to a mythical status. i may argue that uhuru unlike his father is not beholden to the kikuyus and that his national appeal was and is still contingent on the outsiders like daniel moi who rammed him down kenya's throats and now onyango oloo. how does we reconcile the fact that majority of kikuyus are landless and may are fearful over their future in hotspots of rift valley where kenyatta senior relocated them yet the kenyatta family is reputed as the wealthiest landowners in kenya today? in interrogating uhuru kenyatta's political pathway and tendency, i urge for focus to parallel of his father's yet to be explained circumstances under which equally credible leaders like gichuru and jaramogi and later moi and ngalawould defer to him. we may ask why kenyatta was never challenged for the kanu presidency and even for the subsequent national elections when it was evident that there were credible also others like pio gama pinto and tom mboya? today the likes of kalonzo,eugene wamalwa, ngilu are literally dazed by uhuru and mudavadi is saying as many times as could that he wants to work with uhuru, not martha or kenneth. uhuru has also reportedly cajoled ruto into dropping his presidential ambition as it appears the rest of g7 and kkk honcho would of him yet this was the tool for leveraging on raila by the likes of mudavadi and ruto. so, what was so special about kenyatta and what is so special about his son today? how come the academia and media is silent over what is perceptibly a manipulation of the systems and politics to their favour? for instance, why would kenyatta get more acclaim and attention than say dedan kimathi? remember a house to to be built for kenyatta at ichaweri and even funds raised in kanu and kau to fund his activities.in uhuru, we can tell how the monied elites are trooping to his corner and the reported fund raising for his legal battle at the hague. in jukwaa watch uhuru, we must not lose sight of the fact that the happenings in public life to the extend that he is now an urban legend, are arguably more of an orchestration of outsiders than his charisma and hard work. it is for this reason and this reason alone that we must start questioning the apparent contradictions of the communal and intra-ethnic push for a return of kenyatta's presidency against the very obvious odds and circumstances that would make uhuru the least of the likely as was his father before independence. in 1958 when kenyatta was being taken to kapenguria, the narrative and national discourse was such that kenya came to a standstill with jaramogi led clarion call for no kenyatta no uhuru. today, the movement and narrative in the dominant media is preparing kenya to this psyche with the hague trial. the million dollar question is: how must/ shall kenya disengage from the kenyatta-uhuru hague prosecution and how best can we proceed in implementing the constitution of kenya with least destruction from the hague process? or lets put it another way round,how can kenya be engaged in the healing and retributive justice from the worst crimes for which uhuru kenyatta and his reported running mate bill ruto bears the greatest responsibility as far as icc is concerned?
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Post by nok on Oct 25, 2012 12:12:13 GMT 3
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Post by phil on Oct 26, 2012 12:00:49 GMT 3
Wanjala surely knows how to unmask the deceptive traits from among some of our so called presidential candidates. Uhuru is a master of doublespeak. And this is the question we keep reminding our brothers from bonde-la-ufa, between the two horses; who is most likely to implement much needed reforms especially on land matters once elected to government? It is as easy as ABC.
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 26, 2012 20:52:09 GMT 3
When Kabogo defected from NARC- and went straight into the heart of Uhuru Kenyatta's court, in TNA, I waited for something to happen. Because Kabogo knows a lot about the death of a girl called Mercy Keino, and, indeed, my thinking tells me a good, routine police investigation, would find him at least an accomplice to the murder.
Well, nothing of the kind I expected to happen, happened publicly. But patiently I waited, since some bombs just must go off, later if not sooner. Life being such a circus.
Then Waititu 'guffawed' with his anti-Masai quip, and I brought my Kabogo file up. Why? [an old Roman saying whose Luo equivalent is rat ilielo rat kaka rude that is --when twin trees are not prunned the same, then...]
Uhuru, cutting the figure of a national leader, would hasten to dissociate himself from Waititu and his comments! And part of the men drafting the memo to kick Waititu off for hate speech, would be a man called Kabogo! yes, one of the last to witness Mercy Keino alive!
Officially, his excellency Kibaki relieved Waititu of his [assistant] ministerial post. So this is how I marvel at my country. 1. Waititu is a villain to be crushed by the good people of the land. Something good we must say. 2. But his party leader and firing authority, UK, is accused of some of the most heinous crimes possible under law. [Who is more rotten than who here?]
2. The president who is officially the appointing authority, Kibaki, is the beneficiary of a rigging process that brought the nation to the brink of doom! [who is more rotten than who here!] Did he ever apologise? ;D So, My country and her purges, are not a story of morality nor conscience. It is a story of expediency, like when a maffia boss decides to eliminate another lesser capo for business reasons, he can always say: at least I have done a little good, eliminating a little bad from this bad world!
But it is a moral house of cards! and when we botch the announced march elections, we will just find out how morally depraved we can get!
A government of criminals can only rule by terror.
PS: Should Uhuru win the elections next march, some of us of course will never accept the presidency of an ICC indictee. And we will say it publicly, that the president deserves to rot in cold Holland together with Charles Taylor and Gbagbo and Bashir! And we will picket State House and president's office and parliament.
What do you think president Ouru will do? Will he not unleash death squads to eliminate us trouble-makers? The point is, the moral clash on whether Kenya can have an indictee of crimes against humanity running a rogue presidency, is potential civil strife. How will say CJ Mutunga for instance pretend to be a Justice practioner, hanging the potrait of the criminal Ouru Kenyatta in his court and office? It would be a sham every fool would notice!
Yes Kenyans, we know the titanic is headed for an iceberg! how about a determined turn of the tiller, in time??
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Post by b6k on Oct 26, 2012 21:00:04 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, don't be naive. How can you turn the tiller when Attila won't turn....
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Post by kamalet on Oct 27, 2012 8:14:29 GMT 3
There is a Jakaswanga that I know who can be very rational and humorous.
Unfortunately this sounds like a Jakaswanga who has just picked up his teacher's salary arrears (remember the one after the strike?) and wrote this after blowing a significant part of the arrears!
How else does come to the conclusion that Kabogo was involved in the murder of Miss Keino when all the evidence we have is that she was knocked by a car and Kabogo just happened to be at the same party?
How can Jakaswanga suggest hat he will probably be shot by Ouru death squads when he protests the election of the man? As far as he is concerned, Ouru should be rotting in a cell somewhere in Europe next to Taylor. But then does he not forget the "innocent until proven guilty" statement?
Come Monday I hope our Jakaswanga will be back
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 27, 2012 12:39:04 GMT 3
There is a Jakaswanga that I know who can be very rational and humorous. Unfortunately this sounds like a Jakaswanga who has just picked up his teacher's salary arrears (remember the one after the strike?) and wrote this after blowing a significant part of the arrears! How else does come to the conclusion that Kabogo was involved in the murder of Miss Keino when all the evidence we have is that she was --v=j9NTBFs3nSk&feature=endscreen&NR=1knocked by a car and Kabogo just happened to be at the same party? How can Jakaswanga suggest hat he will probably be shot by Ouru death squads when he protests the election of the man? As far as he is concerned, Ouru should be rotting in a cell somewhere in Europe next to Taylor. But then does he not forget the "innocent until proven guilty" statement? Come Monday I hope our Jakaswanga will be back Before I ask you whether you know of some good 2nd hand pick/up, for which I can pay at monthly instalments with the teachers arrears recently won --Wilson Sossion be praised! let us first tackle Kabogo with some seriousnesst. He is the prospective governor of Kiambu county, wherein lies Gatundu constituency, of the prospective president. --kabogo kicked keino in the hourse leading to her death--- and his two bodyguards were very much on top of the job! kenyauptodate.blogspot.nl/2011/06/in-pictures-mercy-keino.html It is only that this is Kenya, otherwise the last people to see a person alive, need to give a minute by minute account of their doings. Standard police work.
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Post by kamalet on Oct 28, 2012 13:14:43 GMT 3
From what I gather Kabogo may have been in the house with Keino, but all evidence shows he was still in he house when got run over by a car. That aside, I spent the whole day yesterday in Kiambu county but word on the ground is that the western part of Kiambu does not want him and Kabogo is currently living off the coat tails of Uhuru who has promised no assistance to anyone on nomination day
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Post by nereah on Nov 30, 2012 12:53:44 GMT 3
something weird happened at uhuru park yesterday that i am told has triggered animated discourse and movement in the backroom of certain political formations if anything else but for its timing.
the incident is covered in today's issue of the star newspaper and in all estimation appeared well orchestrated.
a dozen of traditional medicine men euphemistically referred to as elders went to a carefully chosen corner of uhuru park, almost the same location where barrack obama planted his famous tree to perform some rituals where an experts say is historically dreadful.
this,my interlocutor told me, was performed as a last resort and such is its power that it could make the lost be found, the stolen be redeemed and the offenders be avenged.
someone will reproduce the article published in the star here later but it is instructive to note that it came as koffi annan, the international community,those who mean well for kenya and kenyans themselves through series of pollsters findings,have declared that uhuru kenyatta and william ruto must not seek leadership of this country.
the ritual by the elders performed at the behest of uhuru and ruto bears all the weight of the intruiges that have informed kibaki's succession and poignantly comes as uhuru who we must keep an eternal vigilance on, is together with the man who kamalet of jukwaa called a dead man walking,freed from the integrity shackles that kenyans activists had placed on him.
more baffling is the cover photo on today's issue of the star newspaper where a group of male adults who believe in uhuru are captured emerging from the law court after the withdrawal of the integrity case against ruto and william.
when you see mike sonko, maina njenga and waititu baba yao staging a solidarity show for uhuru in nairobi, pray that we are in for a roller coaster ride.
i will be back!
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Post by kamalet on Nov 30, 2012 13:18:12 GMT 3
Nereah
I saw the episode in one of TV channels today and as I have issues with vodoo pratictioners I dismissed the story as I do not think some cleansing ever works!!
Kibaki once said that sometimes Justice needs to be tempered with mercy. My mother has not been able todate to forgive Ruto and still struggles to come to terms that anyone would cheer him. In my own case I look at it from the point of view that Ruto can redeem himself amongst the gikuyu (that is where you will find me!) if gets them a commitment that can ensure that the events of 2007 between the Kalenjin and the Kikuyu never happen again, then he can find mercy from me!
I look at the Uhuruto alliance more from a very selfish point of view that if it gives us that guarantee of no violence then we can work with it! I have already said that politically none of these two make it to my idea of president and I would not vote for either individually!
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Post by raiswakesho on Nov 30, 2012 19:56:44 GMT 3
Kamalet,
You can't vote for either individually but will vote for the joint ticket, really?
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Post by Ouali on Nov 30, 2012 20:08:41 GMT 3
Bwana kamale, much respects but what you just put down in paper is sad as it is absurd. You say you cannot vote for both individually but only in an alliance. Surely when did two wrongs make a right? Some little advice, a rotten egg is better separated from the rest lest it affects the others and in this case they are both rotten as you clearly admit. Then what makes them sane again? Better convince yourself what you stand for before writting such lines. Uhuru and ruto are accused of huge responsibility in the last violence so your reasoning is to elect them so that they do not cause anymore violence. What a defeatist attitude. I still believe you are better than that and that was just a slip of the pen!!!
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Post by nereah on Dec 8, 2012 18:55:42 GMT 3
some little bird whispers that kamwana's handlers want to throw a spanner in the works of cord coalition with sudden interest in the raila-uhuru meeting which was to have taken place soon after the thika super highway reopening.
if my source is to be believed, the strategy is "to catch odm off guard" by plotting for a widely publicized "secret" meeting between uhuru and agwambo then spin it in the media.
i am yet to verify this but i have no basis to doubt for desperate times call for desperate measures. uhuru, it can be argued, has one ace up his sleeve, engagement with raila.
i disgress......
agwambo's decisive remark on the deferral and referral of icc trials of the four prominent male kenyan adults who are accused of worst crimes against humanity in kenya, will understandably be followed next week with a comprehensive statement from cord.
depending on the buy in by the executive, the shuttle diplomacy would resume in earnest in a more structured and morally and ideologically sound footing.
lets watch ohuru this coming days.
i could be wrong, as usual.
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Post by OtishOtish on Dec 8, 2012 19:01:08 GMT 3
agwambo's decisive remark on the deferral and referral of icc trials of the four prominent male kenyan adults who are accused of worst crimes against humanity in kenya, will understandably be followed next week with a comprehensive statement from cord. Apart from what they might bring in terms of political mileage, such statements are completely nonsensical. I hope that CORD will not get carried away with this one; at some point there needs to be an end to political games around the ICC issues.
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