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Post by OtishOtish on Dec 12, 2012 17:01:15 GMT 3
neither CORD nor UhuRuto have any business preaching reform in this country-based on the content of their CHARACTER and past misdeeds in past governments. Exactly. The only choice these two offer is between two types of scoundrels. Raila may have been a reformer at one point, but now his sole drives seems to be to get power; and for that he appears ready to say and do anything. That's not unusual for a politician, but cuddling with Maina Njenga is simply disgusting and all insult to all Kenyans and especially to the PEV victims. And the supporters appear to be no better. A few months ago, when Raila started on this path with Njenga, I happened to talk to a couple of Luos who told me they were supporting Raila because "this time it's our people's turn". I told them: "Fair enough, at least you are honest about your tribal feelings. But how about the fact that Raila's new friend and his associates were responsible for the rape of Luo women, the penile amputation of Luo men, the killing and displacement of Luos?". I never got an answer. But reading some of the comments above, it appears that the supporters have found a "satisfactory" solution to the Njenga problem---simply claim that Njenga was never connected to the PEV, otherwise why isn't he at the ICC !!! Truly, Our Great Country and its people are Something Else.
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Post by OtishOtish on Dec 12, 2012 17:03:49 GMT 3
The problem with impunity , poverty and injustices world wide is that it produces characters like Maina and in extensio Mungiki. He is a product of the decaying soceity called Kenya ( Moreso direct product of the Jubilee ancestral action vis avis inaction). Now the realist in me says; 'am better of when and if he is accomodated somewhere openly than him dictating how life can be for an average kenyan like me from the realms of the underworld. just a not so humble opinion. The realist in me says that am better off when he is tried and jailed for all the crimes he and Mungiki are responsible for. That's how functioning societies usually handle criminals.
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Post by nok on Dec 12, 2012 17:14:43 GMT 3
The problem with impunity , poverty and injustices world wide is that it produces characters like Maina and in extensio Mungiki. He is a product of the decaying society called Kenya ( More so direct product of the Jubilee ancestral action vis avis inaction). Now the realist in me says; 'am better of when and if he is accommodated somewhere openly than him dictating how life can be for an average Kenyan like me from the realms of the underworld. just a not so humble opinion. The realist in me says that am better off when he is tried and jailed for all the crimes he and Mungiki are responsible for. That's how functioning societies usually handle criminals. I Agree with you . Nonetheless, point to note. He was once in Jail. Did that change anything , No ! One has to go after what invented Maina or Mungiki. And you know what that is. OtishOtishForget the Lip service. Show me a concrete , practical way and I'll join you yesterday.
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Post by OtishOtish on Dec 12, 2012 17:34:49 GMT 3
I Agree with you . Nonetheless, point to note. He was once in Jail. Did that change anything , No ! One has to go after what invented Maina or Mungiki. And you know what that is. OtishOtishForget the Lip service. Show me a concrete , practical way and I'll join you yesterday. Nok: Are you suggesting that our system has failed and so the only thing to do with our worst criminals is "accommodate" them? There is one concrete, practical way that we witnessed under General Ali; I disapprove of that one. Mine is as follows. There is evidence of what Mungiki did in the past; gather it, and bring cases to trial. Also, during the ICC trials, evidence will come out; gather it, and try people in Kenya. The fact that the present government has failed to do the right thing should be no reason to believe that the right thing should or can never be done. If we take that path, then we might as well give up hope of changing anything in Kenya. In the case of crime, the message to criminals would be that if they just become "big" and nasty enough, then they can escape justice and find solace in political power. What does not help is when leading presidential candidates happily cuddle with such criminals. What hope is there that they would do the right thing when the get into power? And even if the current government has failed and the next one is likely to be no better, there is a question of morals and ethics: one simply should not associate with people like Maina Njenga. Is Raila prepared to go to Mungki's victims---raped women, men whose mmmes were cut off, people whose relatives were killed---and say, "look, there is no practical concrete way to deal with this fellow; so I've welcomed him into my coalition"?
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Post by reporter911 on Dec 12, 2012 20:02:04 GMT 3
neither CORD nor UhuRuto have any business preaching reform in this country-based on the content of their CHARACTER and past misdeeds in past governments. Exactly. The only choice these two offer is between two types of scoundrels. Raila may have been a reformer at one point, but now his sole drives seems to be to get power; and for that he appears ready to say and do anything. That's not unusual for a politician, but cuddling with Maina Njenga is simply disgusting and all insult to all Kenyans and especially to the PEV victims. And the supporters appear to be no better. A few months ago, when Raila started on this path with Njenga, I happened to talk to a couple of Luos who told me they were supporting Raila because "this time it's our people's turn". I told them: "Fair enough, at least you are honest about your tribal feelings. But how about the fact that Raila's new friend and his associates were responsible for the rape of Luo women, the penile amputation of Luo men, the killing and displacement of Luos?". I never got an answer. But reading some of the comments above, it appears that the supporters have found a "satisfactory" solution to the Njenga problem---simply claim that Njenga was never connected to the PEV, otherwise why isn't he at the ICC !!! Truly, Our Great Country and its people are Something Else. so predictable every step as you jump in to post propaganda and distortion about Raila, while jumping up and down in praise of Uhuruto backhandedly after your push for Kenneth here failed.. pathetic is the word but I guess you must keep trying ;D ;D As for your buddy marikopolitico ! let us see his posts on Uhuruto's past histories in the government, or whether the member believes they should be at the ICC ? one just have to look at marikopolitico previous threads to see which tree he is backing.. . Hague express duo/Jubilee
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Post by reporter911 on Dec 12, 2012 20:06:51 GMT 3
The problem with impunity , poverty and injustices world wide is that it produces characters like Maina and in extensio Mungiki. He is a product of the decaying soceity called Kenya ( Moreso direct product of the Jubilee ancestral action vis avis inaction). Now the realist in me says; 'am better of when and if he is accomodated somewhere openly than him dictating how life can be for an average kenyan like me from the realms of the underworld. just a not so humble opinion. The realist in me says that am better off when he is tried and jailed for all the crimes he and Mungiki are responsible for. That's how functioning societies usually handle criminals. I guess you are so scared to Mention who paid that the Mungiki gangs claim of being paid to commit Heinous crimes in Nakuru & Naivasha? what was the STatehouse meetings with the mungiki's before and during the 2007-2008 LETS KEEP WITH THE FACTS WHICH ARE THOSE ACCUSED OF "PEV" HEINOUS CRIMES ARE HEADED TO THE HAGUE.. it like a mafia ring.. the foot soldiers this time were left out the Kingpins have a case to answer at the Hague!
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Post by marikopolitico on Dec 27, 2012 17:14:39 GMT 3
Exactly. The only choice these two offer is between two types of scoundrels. Raila may have been a reformer at one point, but now his sole drives seems to be to get power; and for that he appears ready to say and do anything. That's not unusual for a politician, but cuddling with Maina Njenga is simply disgusting and all insult to all Kenyans and especially to the PEV victims. And the supporters appear to be no better. A few months ago, when Raila started on this path with Njenga, I happened to talk to a couple of Luos who told me they were supporting Raila because "this time it's our people's turn". I told them: "Fair enough, at least you are honest about your tribal feelings. But how about the fact that Raila's new friend and his associates were responsible for the rape of Luo women, the penile amputation of Luo men, the killing and displacement of Luos?". I never got an answer. But reading some of the comments above, it appears that the supporters have found a "satisfactory" solution to the Njenga problem---simply claim that Njenga was never connected to the PEV, otherwise why isn't he at the ICC !!! Truly, Our Great Country and its people are Something Else. so predictable every step as you jump in to post propaganda and distortion about Raila, while jumping up and down in praise of Uhuruto backhandedly after your push for Kenneth here failed.. pathetic is the word but I guess you must keep trying ;D ;D As for your buddy marikopolitico ! let us see his posts on Uhuruto's past histories in the government, or whether the member believes they should be at the ICC ? one just have to look at marikopolitico previous threads to see which tree he is backing.. . Hague express duo/Jubilee More rank nonsense from you. At what point or post on this blog have I backed that trash?
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Post by reporter911 on Dec 27, 2012 20:09:23 GMT 3
so predictable every step as you jump in to post propaganda and distortion about Raila, while jumping up and down in praise of Uhuruto backhandedly after your push for Kenneth here failed.. pathetic is the word but I guess you must keep trying ;D ;D As for your buddy marikopolitico ! let us see his posts on Uhuruto's past histories in the government, or whether the member believes they should be at the ICC ? one just have to look at marikopolitico previous threads to see which tree he is backing.. . Hague express duo/Jubilee More rank nonsense from you. At what point or post on this blog have I backed that trash? If you cant stand facts, then move on!!! your nonsense and propaganda is what makes jukwaa look lke trash, start researching what you post instead of yapping and spewing nonsense on here.. and if you can't stand facts being posted here debunking your lies, innuendo's and propaganda like your friend Miguna style then buzz off!!
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Post by marikopolitico on Dec 28, 2012 12:49:24 GMT 3
If you cant stand facts, then move on!!! your nonsense and propaganda is what makes jukwaa look lke trash, start researching what you post instead of yapping and spewing nonsense on here.. and if you can't stand facts being posted here debunking your lies, innuendo's and propaganda like your friend Miguna style then buzz off!!
What Propaganda? I am not the one who spends his/her entire day starting threads based on rumors.
And on what authority do you tell me what I can and what I can't do?
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Post by reporter911 on Dec 28, 2012 20:09:50 GMT 3
If you cant stand facts, then move on!!! your nonsense and propaganda is what makes jukwaa look lke trash, start researching what you post instead of yapping and spewing nonsense on here.. and if you can't stand facts being posted here debunking your lies, innuendo's and propaganda like your friend Miguna style then buzz off!! What Propaganda? I am not the one who spends his/her entire day starting threads based on rumors. And on what authority do you tell me what I can and what I can't do? What a pathetic & ignorant remarks, ;D ;D Hey if you don't have time to follow Kenya politics and engage or debunk some of the lies, propaganda and innuendo's posted by Kenya media or certain individuals why blame other for having time to post facts on Jukwaa? not Miguna style like you and others try so hard to go after Raila personally.. it ain't working I don't care what you do or post on Jukwaa as long as you back it up!! I'm happy to note that you follow and read all my fact based threads Keenly daily ;D ;D but if you try to post lies, propaganda & innuendo's against Raila/Cord... we will debunk it and make sure just like Miguna attempts it is thrown out in the gutters.. tuko hapa hapa!! keep trying
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