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Post by b6k on Apr 12, 2013 8:34:17 GMT 3
Global Insight: Another Kenyatta outsmarts the westBy Katrina Manson in Nairobi For years after Kenya won independence from the UK in 1963, its former colonial ruler ran its army, navy and air force. The SAS trained the president’s ethnic Kikuyu bodyguard. That was because throughout the 1960s, Kenya’s status as a cold war battleground goaded the west into action. When Russian-backed Somalia supported the secession of a chunk of Kenya’s northeast and Kenyan Somalis rebelled, the UK offered Kenya firepower in support. There had been hints Kenya might swing the other way. In 1964, home minister Oginga Odinga negotiated a nine-project deal with the Soviet leader, Nikita Krushchev, and agreed a $15m infrastructure loan with China. For the west, that was not a sensible hedging of bets by a newly independent nation; it was proof of apostasy. The US characterised Mr Odinga as a communist agent. But western support seemed to deliver: at one point, Kenya shut down a Chinese news bureau and expelled Chinese diplomats. Kenya had picked its lane. That polarisation suited independence leader Jomo Kenyatta as he battled Odinga, the man who had helped win him his freedom and initially supported his leadership. Into the bargain, the UK and US shored up Kenyatta’s regime as it lurched towards authoritarianism. When the largely non-Kikuyu army briefly mutinied in 1964, the British helped put down the revolt. Press censorship and detention without trial crept in; Kikuyu ascendancy blurred into ethnic chauvinism and the clampdown culminated in political assassinations. A generation later, the war on terror has replaced the cold war, western anxiety about China’s rise continues and the west finds itself outmanoeuvred for domestic political gain once again. Kenya’s new crop of political leaders, drawn from independence dynasties – Kenyatta and Odinga’s sons, Uhuru and Raila, are the new president and presidential runner-up respectively – is adroit at exploiting global faultlines afresh. President Uhuru Kenyatta – named after the Swahili word for freedom two years before his father won it for his country from the British – is just as deft at playing international politics as his father, even with an international charge for crimes against humanity hanging over his head. Were he found guilty, it would probably put him behind bars for decades. He is accused of bankrolling ethnic death squads that were unleashed five years ago after disputed polls saw him rise to prominence among his Kikuyu community. While he has since taken a stab at statesmanship – urging national cohesion at his inauguration speech this week – the attack dogs are out. His campaign team, which had British advisers, used the threat of western disapproval at his candidacy to bind support for Mr Kenyatta under the emotive banner of sovereignty. At his inauguration, Indian and Chinese diplomats were out on show. Yoweri Museveni, Uganda’s president and the only foreign official to speak, glowered and said that backers of the Hague-based International Criminal Court, to which Kenya turned when its own justice system was too weak to go after perpetrators, were guilty of arrogance and blackmail. Foreign officials are penned in by such anti-colonial rhetoric, which deliberately miscasts Mr Kenyatta’s adversaries as the west rather than the five million or so who voted for Raila Odinga. Just as in the 1960s, western money is flowing into Kenya and security knits both together. Foreign officials remain intent on protecting western capitals by pursuing threats abroad and Mr Kenyatta reminded them in his inauguration speech that Kenya will remain a key supporter of efforts to stop the jihadists who attack Somalia and beyond. The US has paid for biometric identification at Kenyan borders; the UK trains Kenyan troops who battle Islamist militants, as well as 10,000 of its own per year in conditions that replicate the Afghan heat. Both run counterterrorism operations from the country. That makes Kenya once again seem indispensable, and this time round too, justice and ethnic chauvinism may be at stake. The withdrawal of several witness testimonies may yet see the ICC cases collapse. One Kikuyu insider expects Mr Kenyatta’s rule to return to the “brutal politics” of the 1960s. Western governments are destined to remain keen allies of and investors in Kenya. But they may still find themselves being outsmarted. www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/e9b4db3a-a2a6-11e2-9b70-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2QDuzkgYG
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 12, 2013 20:05:09 GMT 3
Learned Friend b6k,I read it first time, and thought that heading was your barbed invention! ANOTHER KENYATTA OUTSMARTS THE WEST. Then I hit the link www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/e9b4db3a-a2a6-11e2-9b70-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2QDuzkgYG and just before it crashed, demanding subscribers code, I read it right there on the FT's page. It is thus an editor's pick, or Katrina Manson's own headline approved.But b6k, surely why did you post it without even a slight hint at irony? I waited several hours for you to come back with one of your patented smart Alec quips! but to no avail I still wait. WHAT IS MY PROBLEM? Katrina Manson herself, totally innocent like the dumbest blond who wouldn't know whether Africa be in Siberia or Brazil, lists a formidable array of Kenyatta 1's exploits against the West. And she too, like you, does not imbue the word 'outsmart' with subterranean irony, nor with a typical British low-key tongue in cheek poison, O nay, it is not even a hint at an urbane masterclass in high-brow stiff upper lip British anti-statement!THE LIST: They --The West- crush coups for Kenyatta I
They crush the shifta rebellion for him
They crush Jaramogi, and other dissent ions for him
They train an all-Kikuyu presidential guard for him
Politically, Militarily, Diplomatically, Financially, they protect him. ETC ETC [She forgot the bit where they kept Idi Amin at Bay from a paralysed Kenyatta] --Amin had mobilised troops claiming Nakuru is Ugandan  , and the British military attache radioed London the Kenya Army needed guidance or all would be lost! And guidance came!] Now sir, let us take a second reading at these exploits of Kenyatta, as evidence of 'outsmarting' the West, as our girl in Nairobi would have her readers believe. ---WHO OUTMANEUVERED WHO? What are we really looking at here in this list? Is it really a Kenyatta who outsmarted the West, or a West that caged Jomo Kenyatta, an independence leader and would-be national hero, and made him their absolute tool, their cog in their Geo-political machinations? Is this not really a rendition of the classical 'he is a bastard yes, but he is OUR bastard!' --which Ronald Reagan [or another POTUS] used on dictator Noriega of Panama? Is Katrina Manson not describing how Kenyatta usurped Kenya's freedom and mortgaged it to the West, in exchange for them preserving his dominance in Kenya? Methinks these episodes she lists, are proofs of how a puppet president of a vassal state was locked to his role by imperialism. Turned into a traitor of the independence ideal. Turned into a dictator no longer accountable to his people. I think this is the narrative of a West that used Kenyatta to outsmart us, Kenyans, of our Independence, and sucessfully institute the violent neo-colonial state as a successor to the classical colonial one. Irony or some other inbuilt identifier codes would have encompassed this alternative reading to, catching the contradiction in the 'outsmart' qualification in this deadly narrative. But after several readings looking, I come up with naught. I am a bad reader then, under Waragi influence . So I will read again tomorrow! Meanwhile: So what is wrong with Katrina Manson and her editors at the FT, that they so rape the history of Kenya, with an interpretation a simple reading of any AFRICA CONFIDENTIAL KENYA WATCH SERIES would disqualify?My hunch is FT is a business on the out, and down. Papers are not making money these days. Internet killed them as a business model. FT is on the wane and take, and Uhuru Kenyatta's British PR buro, a ruthless predator if any, is showing its grit here. Telling the broke FT what to write. Uhuru Kenyatta's money is that powerful, and is talking in this article. For the Financial Times to write in print Jomo Kenyatta outsmarted the West, in bold, it now becomes a toilet paper in Afrika too! But it pays. And that is business. Financial business. I will be back with a take on KENYATTA 2 OUTSMARTS THE WEST TOO! Global Insight: Another Kenyatta outsmarts the westBy Katrina Manson in Nairobi For years after Kenya won independence from the UK in 1963, its former colonial ruler ran its army, navy and air force. The SAS trained the president’s ethnic Kikuyu bodyguard. That was because throughout the 1960s, Kenya’s status as a cold war battleground goaded the west into action. When Russian-backed Somalia supported the secession of a chunk of Kenya’s northeast and Kenyan Somalis rebelled, the UK offered Kenya firepower in support. There had been hints Kenya might swing the other way. In 1964, home minister Oginga Odinga negotiated a nine-project deal with the Soviet leader, Nikita Krushchev, and agreed a $15m infrastructure loan with China. For the west, that was not a sensible hedging of bets by a newly independent nation; it was proof of apostasy. The US characterised Mr Odinga as a communist agent. But western support seemed to deliver: at one point, Kenya shut down a Chinese news bureau and expelled Chinese diplomats. Kenya had picked its lane. That polarisation suited independence leader Jomo Kenyatta as he battled Odinga, the man who had helped win him his freedom and initially supported his leadership. Into the bargain, the UK and US shored up Kenyatta’s regime as it lurched towards authoritarianism. When the largely non-Kikuyu army briefly mutinied in 1964, the British helped put down the revolt. Press censorship and detention without trial crept in; Kikuyu ascendancy blurred into ethnic chauvinism and the clampdown culminated in political assassinations. A generation later, the war on terror has replaced the cold war, western anxiety about China’s rise continues and the west finds itself outmanoeuvred for domestic political gain once again. Kenya’s new crop of political leaders, drawn from independence dynasties – Kenyatta and Odinga’s sons, Uhuru and Raila, are the new president and presidential runner-up respectively – is adroit at exploiting global faultlines afresh. President Uhuru Kenyatta – named after the Swahili word for freedom two years before his father won it for his country from the British – is just as deft at playing international politics as his father, even with an international charge for crimes against humanity hanging over his head. Were he found guilty, it would probably put him behind bars for decades. He is accused of bankrolling ethnic death squads that were unleashed five years ago after disputed polls saw him rise to prominence among his Kikuyu community. While he has since taken a stab at statesmanship – urging national cohesion at his inauguration speech this week – the attack dogs are out. His campaign team, which had British advisers, used the threat of western disapproval at his candidacy to bind support for Mr Kenyatta under the emotive banner of sovereignty. At his inauguration, Indian and Chinese diplomats were out on show. Yoweri Museveni, Uganda’s president and the only foreign official to speak, glowered and said that backers of the Hague-based International Criminal Court, to which Kenya turned when its own justice system was too weak to go after perpetrators, were guilty of arrogance and blackmail. Foreign officials are penned in by such anti-colonial rhetoric, which deliberately miscasts Mr Kenyatta’s adversaries as the west rather than the five million or so who voted for Raila Odinga. Just as in the 1960s, western money is flowing into Kenya and security knits both together. Foreign officials remain intent on protecting western capitals by pursuing threats abroad and Mr Kenyatta reminded them in his inauguration speech that Kenya will remain a key supporter of efforts to stop the jihadists who attack Somalia and beyond. The US has paid for biometric identification at Kenyan borders; the UK trains Kenyan troops who battle Islamist militants, as well as 10,000 of its own per year in conditions that replicate the Afghan heat. Both run counterterrorism operations from the country. That makes Kenya once again seem indispensable, and this time round too, justice and ethnic chauvinism may be at stake. The withdrawal of several witness testimonies may yet see the ICC cases collapse. One Kikuyu insider expects Mr Kenyatta’s rule to return to the “brutal politics” of the 1960s. Western governments are destined to remain keen allies of and investors in Kenya. But they may still find themselves being outsmarted. www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/e9b4db3a-a2a6-11e2-9b70-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2QDuzkgYG |
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Post by b6k on Apr 12, 2013 23:09:49 GMT 3
Learned Friend b6k,I read it first time, and thought that heading was your barbed invention! ANOTHER KENYATTA OUTSMARTS THE WEST. Then I hit the link www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/e9b4db3a-a2a6-11e2-9b70-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2QDuzkgYG and just before it crashed, demanding subscribers code, I read it right there on the FT's page. It is thus an editor's pick, or Katrina Manson's own headline approved.But b6k, surely why did you post it without even a slight hint at irony? I waited several hours for you to come back with one of your patented smart Alec quips! but to no avail I still wait. WHAT IS MY PROBLEM? Katrina Manson herself, totally innocent like the dumbest blond who wouldn't know whether Africa be in Siberia or Brazil, lists a formidable array of Kenyatta 1's exploits against the West. And she too, like you, does not imbue the word 'outsmart' with subterranean irony, nor with a typical British low-key tongue in cheek poison, O nay, it is not even a hint at an urbane masterclass in high-brow stiff upper lip British anti-statement!THE LIST: They --The West- crush coups for Kenyatta I
They crush the shifta rebellion for him
They crush Jaramogi, and other dissent ions for him
They train an all-Kikuyu presidential guard for him
Politically, Militarily, Diplomatically, Financially, they protect him. ETC ETC [She forgot the bit where they kept Idi Amin at Bay from a paralysed Kenyatta] --Amin had mobilised troops claiming Nakuru is Ugandan , and the British military attache radioed London the Kenya Army needed guidance or all would be lost! And guidance came!] Now sir, let us take a second reading at these exploits of Kenyatta, as evidence of 'outsmarting' the West, as our girl in Nairobi would have her readers believe. ---WHO OUTMANEUVERED WHO? What are we really looking at here in this list? Is it really a Kenyatta who outsmarted the West, or a West that caged Jomo Kenyatta, an independence leader and would-be national hero, and made him their absolute tool, their cog in their Geo-political machinations? Is this not really a rendition of the classical 'he is a bastard yes, but he is OUR bastard!' --which Ronald Reagan [or another POTUS] used on dictator Noriega of Panama? Is Katrina Manson not describing how Kenyatta usurped Kenya's freedom and mortgaged it to the West, in exchange for them preserving his dominance in Kenya? Methinks these episodes she lists, are proofs of how a puppet president of a vassal state was locked to his role by imperialism. Turned into a traitor of the independence ideal. Turned into a dictator no longer accountable to his people. I think this is the narrative of a West that used Kenyatta to outsmart us, Kenyans, of our Independence, and sucessfully institute the violent neo-colonial state as a successor to the classical colonial one. Irony or some other inbuilt identifier codes would have encompassed this alternative reading to, catching the contradiction in the 'outsmart' qualification in this deadly narrative. But after several readings looking, I come up with naught. I am a bad reader then, under Waragi influence . So I will read again tomorrow! Meanwhile: So what is wrong with Katrina Manson and her editors at the FT, that they so rape the history of Kenya, with an interpretation a simple reading of any AFRICA CONFIDENTIAL KENYA WATCH SERIES would disqualify?My hunch is FT is a business on the out, and down. Papers are not making money these days. Internet killed them as a business model. FT is on the wane and take, and Uhuru Kenyatta's British PR buro, a ruthless predator if any, is showing its grit here. Telling the broke FT what to write. Uhuru Kenyatta's money is that powerful, and is talking in this article. For the Financial Times to write in print Jomo Kenyatta outsmarted the West, in bold, it now becomes a toilet paper in Afrika too! But it pays. And that is business. Financial business. I will be back with a take on KENYATTA 2 OUTSMARTS THE WEST TOO! , I wanted Katrina Manson to speak for herself without B6k leading the witness Jukwaa reader, as it were. It's interesting to note how you zeroed in on her inaccuracies & now charge her with being an Uhuru mouthpiece. Hehehe, them are fighting words, in the land of journos & you may find yourself in court, copious amounts of Waragi notwithstanding ;D Now that you mention it, do you recall an earlier dispatch from Nairobi that ran on the FT about Raila's unwillingness to concede the elections & warning of dire consequences if Rigging 2 was attempted? Well, that too was penned by Katrina Manson & her apology to CORD that followed shortly thereafter (which was more of a clarification that re-iterated that ALL quotes attributed to Raila were indeed accurate) still left the matter unresolved. Back in March she insisted that she sat down with Agwambo at his Bondo farm for two hours collating all the information & quotations she put into that piece. If we are to believe your allegation of Uhuru money compromising the FT & their EA correspondent then you are weaving a very interesting web indeed. elections.nation.co.ke/news/Raila-denies-warning-of-poll-violence-/-/1631868/1709518/-/cumuegz/-/index.htmlFor now I will reserve my comments until I see what you have to say on Kenyatta 2 Outsmarting the West ;D |
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 13, 2013 0:50:24 GMT 3
[ Jakaswanga, I wanted Katrina Manson to speak for herself without B6k leading the witness Jukwaa reader, as it were. It's interesting to note how you zeroed in on her inaccuracies & now charge her with being an Uhuru mouthpiece. Hehehe, them are fighting words, in the land of journos & you may find yourself in court, copious amounts of Waragi notwithstanding ;D Now that you mention it, do you recall an earlier dispatch from Nairobi that ran on the FT about Raila's unwillingness to concede the elections & warning of dire consequences if Rigging 2 was attempted? Well, that too was penned by Katrina Manson & her apology to CORD that followed shortly thereafter (which was more of a clarification that re-iterated that ALL quotes attributed to Raila were indeed accurate) still left the matter unresolved. Back in March she insisted that she sat down with Agwambo at his Bondo farm for two hours collating all the information & quotations she put into that piece. If we are to believe your allegation of Uhuru money compromising the FT & their EA correspondent then you are weaving a very interesting web indeed. elections.nation.co.ke/news/Raila-denies-warning-of-poll-violence-/-/1631868/1709518/-/cumuegz/-/index.htmlFor now I will reserve my comments until I see what you have to say on Kenyatta 2 Outsmarting the West ;D And pray, tell, b6k, where do I find the accuracies in this FT Nairobi dispatch? Might you be kind enough to lead the prejudiced witness? ;D ... If in two paragraphs the august FT can author so many so easy to pick 'inaccuracies' as you term them, isn't something somewhere fwacked? And don't you want to join in the speculation aka scientific search for the why? When your most brilliant student writes her papers like she expects to be marked on her back, wont you wonder what the game in town is? I mean the FT used to have a standing as the voice of a certain faction of the international bourgeoisie of the West --slightly different from the one for whom the economist is the oracle, but now its articles contain as much sense as a sieve retains water! then I have to wonder where their brains went! Given a recent backlash from continental Europe too, where the FT and Reuters campaigned against the Cyprus bailout template, only to be left high and dry by a ruthless continental backlash, fronting a different ideological take on capitalist bank crises, the paper is on dangerous slopes! But well, may be Katrina is Uhuru's answer to Raila's Sarah! A cat fight would be great to watch between them! and I am only using cat because the appropriate word ;D is banned on Jukwaa! I will re-check that Bondo interview, to see what the hullabaloo was all about! |
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 13, 2013 11:15:55 GMT 3
For now I will reserve my comments until I see what you have to say on Kenyatta 2 Outsmarting the West ;D This will be long my friend. Kenyatta 2 is a fresh maiden, and the road to her heart is long and winded, and needs a delicate touch --From the West or The East. But first: New times new people, but same old game of control.It is no longer the UK but the USA that runs Kenya's air, Navy and Army. The practical reason why they run it is pretty interesting. It has to do with how the Kenyan defence forces go about with Wanjiku's part of the budget. You can not delegate your MONEY to these guys! You will be ripped! ;DCORRUPTION:Tales of wrong caliber ammo for the right guns. Junk armoured personnel carriers that wouldn't out-pace a bodaboda cyclist. Jordanian old Jets baptised 'chura chura' by our airmen themselves, because the jets couldn't fly from Mombasa to Eldoret at one go, but, due to technical inadequacies, had to 'leap leap' Mombasa, Voi, Nairobi, Nakuru! And Old junk fishing boats bought as war-frigates Ordinary holiday swimming pools as deep-seal diver training facilities. Amphibian kits that turn out to be nursery school swimming aids! let us be fair and say it is not the Kenya Army personnel responsible for this debilitating corruption, but higher procurement personnel in concert with the most powerful political families. That is just the tip of the can of worms. You know even the Parliamentary Oversight Committee does not peep into defence expenditures in the main! ---STATE SECRETS! It is a racket. Defence contracts. But figures estimating Wanjiku's [purse] hemorrhage are available, as % of GDP! So the Americans, when it is their money, want to supervise equipment and services, want value for their money, and this is the reason they Run the Kenyan army, --that is those units valuable to them, and in which they invest, and hire occasionally to do their errands as in Somalia and beyond. And they lease these out to the EU military effort both in Somalia bara and Somali offshore [waters]. So the question arises: Who is Gene ral Karangi's real commander in Chief? Real, since apparent is UK, and until the April 09 inauguration, MK. If one says the apparent and the real the same in Kenya, I disagree. NB: There is no shame in the USA hiring your Army. They once hired 30,000 Ethiopian troops to get rid of the Union of Islamic Courts, UIC, once upon a time in Somalia, only for the chaos to increase. But the upper echelons of Ethiopia around then Meles Zenawi's court, harvest well in material wealth. From the figures I have seen quoted of USA cash flow into the Kenyan security apparatus, I do not think the Kenyan elite can dare switch off that tap. It is real money, and I do not think there are substitutes around, for all the talk of going East. Kenyatta II is fixed. --------------- Summarising Katrina Manson:THE WEST: WAR ON TERROR AND ANXIETY OVER CHINA. KENYATTA 2: Adroit at exploiting Global fault lines. -----HOW???---- 1. Anti-colonial rhetoric that keeps the west at bay, writhing in historical guilt. UK proves how adept he is, by hiring a British pr-firm, to ward off the west. 2. assures on the other hand, Kenya will remain a reliable ally in the combat against jihadists CONCLUSION: Kenya remains a Western Heaven --for Western businesses and governments, but the West finds itself outsmarted. [Just like with the first Kenyatta!] My Question would be: what does the 'West' want in Kenya? And can Uhuru Kenyatta deliver it? My answer is, UK is the best man to deliver it. A conservative blue-eyed boy with an emotional love for the USA. Raila, the peoples President, --the whacked candidate in B6k toxicology, would be the dangerous one, since he is the 'volatile and unstable' option who could experiment with radical social reform.Social reform, that now, is a greater nightmare to Washington and London, than Kenya going East. An ideological challenge like that of the late Chavez.But on the Chinese taking over in Kenya, the West can still do a deal with China because they are China's greatest trading partner, in a MAD embrace. They partition the world-cake in underhand deals, in some kind of modern day BERLIN CONFERENCE, or a strategic parity fix for peace. However, a Kenyan aligned to her own people and destiny is no longer any-body's pawn, and is as troublesome as North Korea and Iran.Truly Independent Countries, THE AXIS OF EVIL.  Uhuru Kenyatta does not have what it takes for us to go Independent. He is merely Adept and Adroit at theft, of the national dream! And his bed-mate William Ruto? adept and adroit yes, not as a statesman I am afraid, but an internal thief of sorts. Land, Money. It is when you can run a system that plunders far seas and robs foreigners off their wealth, and to bring the booty home to improve the lots of your own people, that you become a statesman. But you run around hawking your a.ss to the best bidder, China or the West, you are just the standard who-re on the street. And that a.ss hawking on the world streets, is in essence what Katrina Manson is saying in the FT, constitutes the genius lineage of the Kenyatta's. I guess it is a willing buyer willing seller market. Perfect! For the FT too! hawking their a.ss. |
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Post by b6k on Apr 15, 2013 14:31:41 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, you risk going down a slippery slope if you classify Katrina as a latter day Sarah Elderkin. If tales on the 'net are to be believed then you know that the relationship between Agwambo & Elderkin goes way back & way deeper than anything Uhuru may have with Katrina. I doubt whether they have ever even met in the flesh, as it were ;D ;D ;D If the FT has indeed, hawked itself & is on Uhuru's dime, then that is more of a business decision (in both parties cases) than an ideological or, dare I say, personal relationship as is/was the case in the Elderkin saga.
If the KE army is doing its bidding as a vassal army in the outposts of empire, then they have learned from their masters well. All the doom & gloom that was predicted by Jukwaaists never materialized. KDF in a few short months tamed the Somali situation that now MNC oil companies are claiming their long forgotten drilling rights & the IMF is gearing up to set up shop in Mogadishu. Not a bad day's work for a junior partner mercenary force, eh?
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 15, 2013 19:45:16 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, you risk going down a slippery slope if you classify Katrina as a latter day Sarah Elderkin. If tales on the 'net are to be believed then you know that the relationship between Agwambo & Elderkin goes way back & way deeper than anything Uhuru may have with Katrina. I doubt whether they have ever even met in the flesh, as it were ;D ;D ;D No, Katrina and UK are a long way from Agwambo and Sarah, but power being the ultimate aphrodisiac, I am ready to go down the slippery slope to the logical deep end If the FT has indeed, hawked itself & is on Uhuru's dime, then that is more of a business decision (in both parties cases) than an ideological or, dare I say, personal relationship as is/was the case in the Elderkin saga.[/quote] True b6k, pure business for the FT as a body. But does not exclude the bodies of correspondents 'moonlighting' a bit. The corrupting influences of life in Kenya can not be overstated! How do you rate the depth of that article anyway. I still find it trash after a sober reading! Those Jukwaaists were not then aware that NATO would look out for our boys, their eyes and ears, air-power and drone surveillance. b6k --it is called OPERATION ATLANTA. For political/diplomatic purposes it is fronted by the EU. Otherwise it would not get UN blessings. In military effect EU means NATO. Top Dog in NATO remains the USA. Nato decided, strategically, local boys were needed. Ethiopia had been a bad experience, because recalcitrant Eritrea had entered the equation with a deviousness that had not been foreseen, and leverage over Eritrea was not found. Kenya became the option. French, British and Norwegian navies have had their go at upgrading the Kenyan navy ---you should be able to find a roll-call of training naval ships that visited our coasts since Atalanta was launched. There is also a documentary, once aired on discovery channel about the experiences of a Kenyan naval unit aboard a Norwegian frigate. ---It was sometimes shameful. They gaped gleefully at the facilities! Kids in a fanfare outing playing ground. The food was excellent ....
The porno-videos library was amazing too.
There was an excellent gym for training.
There were anti-shark cages for deep sea swimming, and high-diving training.
There were ... female captains on board issuing orders ... Kenyan body language indicated no way, we are real men!
ETC ETC
But anyway the Kenyan invasion of Somali was a move planned with care by NATO, as a part of this:
www.mschoa.org/on-shore/about-us/eu-operation-atalanta
Define comprehensive, thinking of oil!
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Post by b6k on Apr 16, 2013 1:38:39 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, you risk going down a slippery slope if you classify Katrina as a latter day Sarah Elderkin. If tales on the 'net are to be believed then you know that the relationship between Agwambo & Elderkin goes way back & way deeper than anything Uhuru may have with Katrina. I doubt whether they have ever even met in the flesh, as it were ;D ;D ;D No, Katrina and UK are a long way from Agwambo and Sarah, but power being the ultimate aphrodisiac, I am ready to go down the slippery slope to the logical deep end If the FT has indeed, hawked itself & is on Uhuru's dime, then that is more of a business decision (in both parties cases) than an ideological or, dare I say, personal relationship as is/was the case in the Elderkin saga. True b6k, pure business for the FT as a body. But does not exclude the bodies of correspondents 'moonlighting' a bit. The corrupting influences of life in Kenya can not be overstated! How do you rate the depth of that article anyway. I still find it trash after a sober reading! Those Jukwaaists were not then aware that NATO would look out for our boys, their eyes and ears, air-power and drone surveillance. b6k --it is called OPERATION ATLANTA. For political/diplomatic purposes it is fronted by the EU. Otherwise it would not get UN blessings. In military effect EU means NATO. Top Dog in NATO remains the USA. Nato decided, strategically, local boys were needed. Ethiopia had been a bad experience, because recalcitrant Eritrea had entered the equation with a deviousness that had not been foreseen, and leverage over Eritrea was not found. Kenya became the option. French, British and Norwegian navies have had their go at upgrading the Kenyan navy ---you should be able to find a roll-call of training naval ships that visited our coasts since Atalanta was launched. There is also a documentary, once aired on discovery channel about the experiences of a Kenyan naval unit aboard a Norwegian frigate. ---It was sometimes shameful. They gaped gleefully at the facilities! Kids in a fanfare outing playing ground. The food was excellent ....
The porno-videos library was amazing too.
There was an excellent gym for training.
There were anti-shark cages for deep sea swimming, and high-diving training.
There were ... female captains on board issuing orders ... Kenyan body language indicated no way, we are real men!
ETC ETC
But anyway the Kenyan invasion of Somali was a move planned with care by NATO, as a part of this:
www.mschoa.org/on-shore/about-us/eu-operation-atalanta
Define comprehensive, thinking of oil!
[/quote] Point 1 or afrodisiacs....no comment. Point 2 or moonlighting of foreign journos....no comment. As to how I rate Katrina's article, I believe she gave some historical insights into KE politics, even though they may have been somewhat skewed. I suppose that was her Elderkin moment ;D For KDF's in-roads into hostile territory in Black Hawk Down country, technology aside, our boys were the ones on the ground who would have to do the fighting, ergo, the dying. Blood vs. treasure...which is the ultimate sacrifice? In our own way we have put both on the line....ok, maybe blood before treasure as the treasure will be duly compensated from our benefactors. You do, however, seem to forget that our neighbor who accused a section of Kenyans of being cattle thieves also had his stab at glory in Somalia...and failed. Only the KDF manged to tame a situation that had been EA's festering boil for 2 decades, once we put our minds to it, whether voluntarily or not. As to shameful KE army experiences, I seem to recall a low point in the Yugoslav war when our mboys[/i, under the UN banner, were disarmed by Serbian forces in a rather dodgy manner. I suppose the cynics amongst us would argue they "sold" their weapons to the the highest bidder. At least the only saving grace in that episode was that our ICC hosts, Holland, had their troops in the same war actually give up innocent civilians to the bad guys who then, allegedly, killed unarmed boys & men. I have not heard any word of crimes against humanity or any such highfalutin charges raised against those blond haired, blue eyed Dutch soldiers....
As for Eritrea, I hope you recall we had a diplomatic row, or rows, with them before the KDF stormed our northern neighbors. That in itself should show you where things were headed.
Western forces have always summered in KE ;D ;D ;D ;D. To their gullible tax payers back home they call it a hardship post, but naturally they know better. Mombasa raha!
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 16, 2013 20:46:19 GMT 3
Point 1 or afrodisiacs....no comment. Point 2 or moonlighting of foreign journos....no comment. As to how I rate Katrina's article, I believe she gave some historical insights into KE politics, even though they may have been somewhat skewed. I suppose that was her Elderkin moment ;D Ha! KDF was exemplary actually. On the ground they did more than they had to do, and achieved far beyond expectations. But this is a problem for Nairobi. --It means a new group of suave front-line commanders have arisen, and need to be promoted up, and the whiskey-drinking lords of procurement scandals at DOD should be on their way home. Uhuru Kenyatta talking to parliament has promised to value efficiency and competence! ;D Well, he got a tough call at DOD! if he dare!  This is a complicated one. I know this story. But with another angle. It was the OGA-brothers who came up with the scheme, and as they go richer and richer, they laughed more and more at their more 'serious' African brothers; finally they wore them out and we followed their entrepreneurial example! Survivors actually went to the European court to demand compensation from the dutch government. ---Compensation really? asked a blonde god of an economist lawyer, --why should we save you if you couldn't save yourselves? you should be hanged for having failed in your first duty to defend yourselves!A coldness that shocked many to silence. NB: Ethiopia, Sudan and Uganda actually all hold a bit of our territory -- kinyume cha sheria and spirit of good neighbourliness. Was it fear of KDF and the resolve of UK, that made m7 fawn so much to us? I wonder! If KDF is hot, those squatting on our land will be thinking some twice! |
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