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Post by b6k on Sept 6, 2013 16:52:19 GMT 3
I don't know the circumstances that led to this but is this really conduct by our governor appropriate?
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Post by kamalet on Sept 6, 2013 17:11:50 GMT 3
There is one thing you do not do....slap a woman in public. If you have to, and you must be a coward, do it in private!! It does not matter how angry you are, but that is a big no no especially in Kidero's position! You never show your short fuse in public if you are a leader unless you are 78 years old and can make people laugh when you call them 'mavi ya kuku'
If you have to hit someone, send your heavies! Do not do it yourself!
Kidero's political career hangs in a balance!
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Post by b6k on Sept 6, 2013 17:48:14 GMT 3
There is one thing you do not do....slap a woman in public. If you have to, and you must be a coward, do it in private!! It does not matter how angry you are, but that is a big no no especially in Kidero's position! You never show your short fuse in public if you are a leader unless you are 78 years old and can make people laugh when you call them 'mavi ya kuku'If you have to hit someone, send your heavies! Do not do it yourself! Kidero's political career hangs in a balance! I think Kidero is toast! This brutish primitive behavior demands the same treatment as the "you should know people", Deputy CJ got. In the Governor's case, impeachment. I actually had faith in this guy & voted for him in spite of him batting for the other side Now this Kidero slap coming quick on the heels of Senator Sonko's melt down on air against Caroline Mutuko, all I can say is, Nairobi...we have a problem!!!
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Post by denno on Sept 6, 2013 17:49:10 GMT 3
Wow talk about poor judgement. Shebesh should go after him for assault. That kind of behavior should not be tolerated!!!!!
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Post by jkm on Sept 6, 2013 18:01:16 GMT 3
Shebesh deserves more than slap especially when she goes everywhere exhibiting her uncouth and makanga behaviours
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Post by michael on Sept 6, 2013 18:20:07 GMT 3
Surely ..the anger displayed by our dear governor ..we are slowly loosing it. Pole sister Shebesh ... via Imgflip GIF Maker
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Post by dineo on Sept 6, 2013 18:38:09 GMT 3
"Shebesh deserves more than slap especially when she goes everywhere exhibiting her uncouth and makanga behaviours" It never ceases to amaze, how a certain breed of Kenyan males instinctively resort to violence or verbal abuse when confronted by a woman who won't back down or give in. Unajiaibisha mwenzangu.
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Post by michael on Sept 6, 2013 18:54:21 GMT 3
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Post by Fahari on Sept 6, 2013 20:37:35 GMT 3
"Whom the Gods would destroy they first make mad"Poor Kidero the Chinese millions and the presidential nod seems to have addled his mind, he of the gentlemanly mien loses his cool and slaps a woman in front of cameras?? I hate to imagine what he does behind closed doors when provoked. What a disappointment after making such brilliant political moves! I was one of his earliest supporters but now I can tell I was dead wrong, the man is not in control of his emotions and that alone disqualifies him from governing a hot seat like Nairobi he should just resign!
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Post by b6k on Sept 6, 2013 21:23:11 GMT 3
Michael, this is a very curious course of action for him to take. The NTV camera in your link may not have captured the actual slap as the Capital FM one but it did show more disturbing footage of how Shebesh was being forcefully removed from the Governor's office premises. Kidero would've been better off to acknowledge that he did indeed slap her & immediately apologize. He will now have to wait & see how the mboys will investigate Rachel Shebesh's assault report. If I were him, I would be drafting my resignation speech as well as building up a hefty kitty for any eventual out of court settlement because it's bound to get ugly. Yes Shebesh may be a bit of heckler but that doesn't mean she deserved the slap, or even more than that, as one fellow Jukwaaist has pointed out. Assault is assault and that slap will come back to haunt the governor.
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Post by mank on Sept 6, 2013 22:05:29 GMT 3
There is one thing you do not do....slap a woman in public. .. Absolutely right! A man slaps a woman in public, he's an embarrassment. A man gets slapped by a woman in public, he's an embarrassment. Men must run away from any situation rippening for a slap either way. That's why I aways think women don't know what they covette when they ask for equality.
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Post by dineo on Sept 6, 2013 22:14:00 GMT 3
"That's why I aways think women don't know what they covette when they ask for equality".
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Post by mank on Sept 6, 2013 22:17:01 GMT 3
Previously I just said men should run away.
I think circumstances are relevant.
I have watched the picture and cannot tell for sure what was going on ... but the face that got a whack was almost in the guy's arm pit. What was going on??
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 6, 2013 23:07:05 GMT 3
I don't know the circumstances that led to this but is this really conduct by our governor appropriate? First take: Bloody idiot Governor Kidero lost his temper, which he should not have. ---Even if it is obvious Shebbesh and co stormed his office, he is a high-profile politician and always a public figure and must maintain appearances: the necessary hypocrisy. --[In individual capacity as a private citizen, if anybody stormed an office, the occupant is of course free to interpret it as an act of war, and cite self-defence to enact a skull-crack with a metal bar.]---But a top politician! such is to be held to a different standard. UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES. An outrage! Now, If the country were not in a political limbo, NOT slowly drifting toward a showdown of sorts, Kidero would be in some real political hot soup. ---i can hear Shebbesh irately asking in disbelief: 'Kidero you slapped me!?'But aS it is, the country is too polarised, too unobjective in its takes, and what would be interpreted as a poltical lynching of Kidero, the most high-profile CORDED in public office [a kind of Great Luo Hope even if his own party occasionally whispers he is a weak-link ], would be a further dangerous escalation. Raila and Kidero kicked under in less than half a year!? There would be a paroxysm in Luo nationalism, which nationalism ever anxious at its place in Kenya, as insecure as a kimirwa [sob]. Well, the country is totally dysfunctional and that will help Kidero ---remember these symptoms: JOho and Sonko traded physical salvos right next to the President in Mombasa; Kenya is withdrawing from the ICC; the JSC is a laughing stock and the Judiciary like its head not much better; the Police and their reforms are dead, and most importantly: contingency plans are being set in place, to absorb the inevitable power vacuum when the President and his deputy become more pre-occupied elsewhere than with running the country. Pointing to fears of instability. However much of a brave face Uhuruto puts on it. In other words, Nairobi is a volatile chain reaction and side shows are a welcome comical relief to the populace. In such a dispensation, things assume other meanings which they otherwise would not have had. It is the time of the politics of thuggery in Kenya, and gentlemen without a streak of thuggishness, may just be the ones to be on the loosing side. [For instance Ngilu, in violation of the law, is issuing title deeds left and right without bothering with the independent Land commission! Meaning the gentleman at the Land Commission, is irrelevant, just like the Kavulundi fellow is to Kimaiyo, and CJ Mutunga to Ahmednassir at JSC!]. Such is how I make the case: thugs rule, gentlemen go irrelevant. New constitution my foot! C OURT OF PUBLIC OPINION LOWER DOWN THE FOOD CHAIN.When we later hear what Shebbesh called Kidero that made him loose his temper, and the argument goes to drinking dens where men are free to talk, outside the constraints of political correctness, know your sexist country: Kidero may in the court of populaR public opinion, JUST turn out not have acted so stupidly after all. We are a wife-beating country, and a man who lets a woman insult him in some ways in public, will be called a woman on the streets. [--sijawai onja kofi ya mwanamme! said Shebbesh! it was about time! would be the Eastern verdict I am sure!] If ordinary Nairobians in Eastlands start calling their Governor a woman, that is when his political career would really be dead. That is ridicule as a sissy can finish him off faster than guilt of arrogant sexist brutality. This is a continent where we vote murderers for top seats. I repeat, your are not a thug, you do not belong. Mr. Nice guys will be had, as meals for topper predators. Know your continent! She is a killer's game!
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 6, 2013 23:16:52 GMT 3
There is one thing you do not do....slap a woman in public. .. Absolutely right! A man slaps a woman in public, he's an embarrassment. A man gets slapped by a woman in public, he's an embarrassment. Men must run away from any situation rippening for a slap either way. That's why I aways think women don't know what they covette when they ask for equality. You guys have had wonderful lives! Avoided the places lower down the chain! Try being in the kind of bars where, when it gets late, prostitutes start a fight amongst themselves which is going to get out of hand with bottles being thrown! Three quick ruthless and brutal slaps on the three leading women on the brawl, and order is restored and the musicians can strike a new dirge. You could of course call the cops, shouting there is an emergency!Hurry! Helf! A cat-fight!
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Post by mank on Sept 6, 2013 23:25:26 GMT 3
....[--sijawai onja kofi ya mwanamme! said Shebbesh! it was about time! would be the Eastern verdict I am sure!]... Jakaswanga, pray you never have to slap a woman, or be in a position to even be threatened with a slap by a woman. There is nothing good to come of either situation for you, and I don't know which of the two positions is worse. Its better the place between a rock and a hard place ... Kidero knows this very well right now.
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Post by OtishOtish on Sept 6, 2013 23:28:40 GMT 3
Kidero should not have done that, whether in public or private. All violence is to be abhorred, but violence by men against women should be strongly condemned if we are to deal with that social evil that is conducted daily in numerous homes.
Sadly, Kenya is what it is. Did a certain First Lady not go around to a major media house and slap people? That was taken as "acceptable". perhaps what we have is another part of Mzee's legacy: he always thought there was nothing like a good slap to straighten out an errant cabinet minister.
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 6, 2013 23:29:00 GMT 3
Yes Shebesh may be a bit of heckler but that doesn't mean she deserved the slap, or even more than that, as one fellow Jukwaaist has pointed out. Assault is assault and that slap will come back to haunt the governor. Was it Githu Muigai the AG, whom Sonko knocked out within parliament buildings in the period of the Waititu-Maasai hate-speech? or was it someone else? Mzee Kenyatta of course used to have ministers who had displeased him bend over and recieve viboko from his mkwaju, or fimbo ya utawala! This is fact! Assault in Kenya? there sure are categories b6k when they are politicians! ----By the way Shebbesh says Kidero had wanted her to enter his office alone! What the hell is happening here?
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Post by OtishOtish on Sept 6, 2013 23:40:22 GMT 3
Jakaswanga:
Yes, it does appear to be a side-show, apparently viewed by many as comic relief during a period of high stress. It is now the leading article in such places as the online versions of The Daily Nonsense and The Stunted, and it is generating the most appalling jokes in the social media. For a minute, ICC is forgotten.
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 6, 2013 23:41:58 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, pray you never have to slap a woman, or be in a position to even be threatened with a slap by a woman. There is nothing good to come of either situation for you, and I don't know which of the two positions is worse. Its better the place between a rock and a hard place ... Kidero knows this very well right now. Mank, I have had the kind of experience in life where by now, a woman can slap me in public and I wouldn't react. I can afford to be ridiculed and look sheepish!
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 6, 2013 23:44:19 GMT 3
Jakaswanga: Yes, it does appear to be a side-show, apparently viewed by many as comic relief during a period of high stress. It is now the leading article in such places as the online versions of The Daily Nonsense and The Stunted, and it is generating the most appalling jokes in the social media. For a minute, ICC is forgotten. You know She has a reputation in the grapevine, and that was always going to be a goldmine for creativity!
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 6, 2013 23:51:05 GMT 3
Kidero should not have done that, whether in public or private. All violence is to be abhorred, but violence by men against women should be strongly condemned if we are to deal with that social evil that is conducted daily in numerous homes. Sadly, Kenya is what it is. Did a certain First Lady not go around to a major media house and slap people? That was taken as "acceptable". perhaps what we have is another part of Mzee's legacy: he always thought there was nothing like a good slap to straighten out an errant cabinet minister. I am not quoting verbatim, but I think I reproduce them fair enough: Do you remember? Okonkwo drew his machete and cut the boy Ikemefuna down. He was afraid of being thought weak.Obi Okonkwo did not want to sleep with the women in exchange for scholarships. But he had heard the girls only giggled behind his back when he refused their offerings, having found a different explanation to his inactivity than principle. He was stung, and took to it with a gusto. He was afraid the tab gay would stick to him!Some things a man should not do! He does, complicated motivations! Who will say why Dr. Evans snapped? If indeed he did snap.
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Post by mank on Sept 7, 2013 0:28:54 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, pray you never have to slap a woman, or be in a position to even be threatened with a slap by a woman. There is nothing good to come of either situation for you, and I don't know which of the two positions is worse. Its better the place between a rock and a hard place ... Kidero knows this very well right now. Mank, I have had the kind of experience in life where by now, a woman can slap me in public and I wouldn't react. I can afford to be ridiculed and look sheepish! Come on man! You should say "I have had had the kind of experience in life where by now, a woman can say anything to me in public and would not react." Its with the mouth that a woman most commonly moves the most friendly man swinging in full disconnect with his head. But I am not saying that's what happened here. I remember in childhood seeing a woman beat crap out of a man for a long time. The man would sit down, and she continues to whack him. He would stand up, and the crazy woman would still whack him. I thought, what a coward! As I grew up I came to know the man, and to reflect back in the situation and realize that the man was not a coward at all ... but just an unfortunate subject of a mean woman. Then I have seen other women justly shut up for trashy degrading mouths. I justify none of it, but often understand it when it happens.
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Post by b6k on Sept 7, 2013 6:04:51 GMT 3
I don't know the circumstances that led to this but is this really conduct by our governor appropriate? First take: Bloody idiot Governor Kidero lost his temper, which he should not have. ---Even if it is obvious Shebbesh and co stormed his office, he is a high-profile politician and always a public figure and must maintain appearances: the necessary hypocrisy. --[In individual capacity as a private citizen, if anybody stormed an office, the occupant is of course free to interpret it as an act of war, and cite self-defence to enact a skull-crack with a metal bar.]---But a top politician! such is to be held to a different standard. UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES. An outrage! Now, If the country were not in a political limbo, NOT slowly drifting toward a showdown of sorts, Kidero would be in some real political hot soup. ---i can hear Shebbesh irately asking in disbelief: 'Kidero you slapped me!?'But aS it is, the country is too polarised, too unobjective in its takes, and what would be interpreted as a poltical lynching of Kidero, the most high-profile CORDED in public office [a kind of Great Luo Hope even if his own party occasionally whispers he is a weak-link ], would be a further dangerous escalation. Raila and Kidero kicked under in less than half a year!? There would be a paroxysm in Luo nationalism, which nationalism ever anxious at its place in Kenya, as insecure as a kimirwa [sob]. Well, the country is totally dysfunctional and that will help Kidero ---remember these symptoms: JOho and Sonko traded physical salvos right next to the President in Mombasa; Kenya is withdrawing from the ICC; the JSC is a laughing stock and the Judiciary like its head not much better; the Police and their reforms are dead, and most importantly: contingency plans are being set in place, to absorb the inevitable power vacuum when the President and his deputy become more pre-occupied elsewhere than with running the country. Pointing to fears of instability. However much of a brave face Uhuruto puts on it. In other words, Nairobi is a volatile chain reaction and side shows are a welcome comical relief to the populace. In such a dispensation, things assume other meanings which they otherwise would not have had. It is the time of the politics of thuggery in Kenya, and gentlemen without a streak of thuggishness, may just be the ones to be on the loosing side. [For instance Ngilu, in violation of the law, is issuing title deeds left and right without bothering with the independent Land commission! Meaning the gentleman at the Land Commission, is irrelevant, just like the Kavulundi fellow is to Kimaiyo, and CJ Mutunga to Ahmednassir at JSC!]. Such is how I make the case: thugs rule, gentlemen go irrelevant. New constitution my foot! C OURT OF PUBLIC OPINION LOWER DOWN THE FOOD CHAIN.When we later hear what Shebbesh called Kidero that made him loose his temper, and the argument goes to drinking dens where men are free to talk, outside the constraints of political correctness, know your sexist country: Kidero may in the court of populaR public opinion, JUST turn out not have acted so stupidly after all. We are a wife-beating country, and a man who lets a woman insult him in some ways in public, will be called a woman on the streets. [--sijawai onja kofi ya mwanamme! said Shebbesh! it was about time! would be the Eastern verdict I am sure!] If ordinary Nairobians in Eastlands start calling their Governor a woman, that is when his political career would really be dead. That is ridicule as a sissy can finish him off faster than guilt of arrogant sexist brutality. This is a continent where we vote murderers for top seats. I repeat, your are not a thug, you do not belong. Mr. Nice guys will be had, as meals for topper predators. Know your continent! She is a killer's game! Jakaswanga, I was wondering when someone would play the tribal card & sure enough you didn't disappoint. Kidero is the Great Luo Hope you say? I thought he was seen more as a spoiler for the Great Luo King? Isn't that why he is considered a "weak link" given his cozy working relationship with Jubilee & the executive branch in particular? I for one had hoped that Kidero would govern Nairobi well enough to be considered for the presidential slot in the next general elections. I fear that having that slap on video, memory loss or not, will put paid to that. It makes for very bad optics... When it comes to KE electing "murderers for top seats", keep in mind that even the Dynamic Duo were never captured on video doing the things they are alleged to have done at the ICC. If anything, Uhuru had very good video footage of him telling a crowd of irate Kikuyu youths to stand-down & not take the law into their own hands when IDP's were flowing into Kikuyu & its environs with horror stories of the Killing Fields that were in the Rift Valley. He's still got a case to answer to at the ICC where even the airing of that video as part of his defense during the confirmation hearings wasn't enough to get him a get out of jail free card as Muthaura got. As for Sonko & Joho exchanging blows meters away from the president, as far as I know neither party went to the mboys to file an official complaint in those tomes they call OB's. The same applies to our wimpy AG when he was allegedly assaulted by Sonko (this guy has even been caught on video assaulting a security door, & he was the loser as he was sporting a bandage the following day). Shebesh, on the other hand, made a beeline to the nearest police station & filed a complaint immediately after being ejected from the governor's office. Things are maduong for Kidero, mate! So considering Kidero has already made some enemies within CORD ("weak link" & too much of a rising star, etc) I wouldn't be surprised if his demise wouldn't be mourned by the high & mighty at CORD. Equally, you have to keep in mind that Waititu is still claiming that cherry of governorship that was taken from his grasp by Kidero. Jimnah Mbaru may also be game for a by-election. The prospect of having a Kikuyu as Nairobi governor may be more appealing to Jubilee than having a quisling Luo one once Jubilee crunch their numbers & see the potential for by-election victory with Kidero safely out of the picture. Do you remember the time when presidential candidate UK read the riot act to Sonko & Shebesh & declared that they would henceforth work with Waititu & not against him? Kidero may have just taken the bait (whatever it is Shebesh said to him to set him off) that will bring upon his political swan song. Governor Waititu, enter stage left. What better revenge can Jubilee get after the Makueni senatorial loss than taking back the Nairobi governorship?
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Post by b6k on Sept 7, 2013 6:11:14 GMT 3
Jakaswanga: Yes, it does appear to be a side-show, apparently viewed by many as comic relief during a period of high stress. It is now the leading article in such places as the online versions of The Daily Nonsense and The Stunted, and it is generating the most appalling jokes in the social media. For a minute, ICC is forgotten. ICC is forgotten for a minute, you say? On the day that there was live coverage of the Uhuru Kenyatta ICC status hearings, NTV's top story was the Shebesh slapgate not the ICC. The ICC is ALWAYS forgotten...
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