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Post by enigma on Nov 22, 2013 13:36:07 GMT 3
OO, There is something patently wrong about having to volubly demand respect. How about quietly earning it? These AU "demands" are very Unafrican. Thanks for sharing the essay.
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Post by podp on Nov 22, 2013 14:26:31 GMT 3
OO, There is something patently wrong about having to volubly demand respect. How about quietly earning it? These AU "demands" are very Unafrican. Thanks for sharing the essay. It is breathtaking how Jubilee are openly and shamelessly demanding for impunity. They are so confused to the point of talking from both ends of their mouths. They make a proposal for video link then when Britain does the same they yell colonialism. These people have embarrassed this once great country in a way no one expected. It's a very sad state of affairs. www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Kenya-on-the-spot-over-trial-via-video-link/-/1064/2083778/-/169v1m/-/index.htmlabove is one of the more than 27 comments to the story of the url it must be real hot for UhuRuto that the personal challengers have to be made into national, regional and global challenges. AG is getting too deeply involved in other people's "personal challenges." He needs to be surcharged for using public money to parade personal interests in the Hague. Furthermore, had our leaders not been suspects, perhaps he wont be in those meetings, - or would be parrotting completely different view. And telling the whole world Kenya without these suspects would evaporate is a big lie that borders on the illogical. Two persons are nothing compared to 40m citizens. And AG should be reminded in every citizen there is even a better leader!!!! www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-144712/ag-muigai-pushes-rome-statute-amendments-icc-forumthe best comment that needs follow up is the one above
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Post by OtishOtish on Nov 22, 2013 17:04:34 GMT 3
....I see you also got copies of the British High Commission propaganda that was being circulated by Ben Agina yesterday afternoon!!! Oh now Kenya is to blame?! You have become quite agitated in the last few days. You need to calm down as there is still a week to go. I have no idea of what your friend, Agina, circulated whenever. Please feel free to share with us. FYI: all the proposed amendments were circulated over a week ago to all states parties as well as several non-states parties.
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Post by kamalet on Nov 22, 2013 17:14:39 GMT 3
....I see you also got copies of the British High Commission propaganda that was being circulated by Ben Agina yesterday afternoon!!! Oh now Kenya is to blame?! You have become quite agitated in the last few days. You need to calm down as there is still a week to go. I have no idea of what your friend, Agina, circulated whenever. Please feel free to share with us. FYI: all the proposed amendments were circulated over a week ago to all states parties as well as several non-states parties. Njakip You need not worry....I am as cool as a cucumber!
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Post by OtishOtish on Nov 22, 2013 17:16:24 GMT 3
Taiwo writes: "The Nigerian President, Goodluck Jonathan, takes the cake with his demand that African leaders enjoy immunity from prosecution as long as they are in office."Nigeria probably speaks with forked tongues. Many no doubt remember Bashir being in Nigeria and having to leave in a hurry. When the ICC asked Nigeria about the situation, here is what it had to say: * They had never invited Bashir. He just showed up out of the blue. * The relevant authorities were planning to act in accord with their "international obligations" but Bashir suddenly took off before they could do that. * If the court had any doubts about how they would act, all they need do is look at how they knifed Taylor. The letter from Nigeria's Attorney General & Minister of Justice: www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/doc/doc1632875.pdf
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 22, 2013 17:49:22 GMT 3
Comedian Githu Muigai made a most astonishing statement at the "special AU session". According to him, the reason for asking for immunity for a head of state is not to protect an individual but to preserve the state. Kenya = Kenyatta? Will Kenya collapse if Uhuru goes on trial? Wow. The Dutch representative has helpfully pointed out that it is individuals that get charged for international crimes, not states, and that individuals must be held to account regardless of their official capacity.Several states have spoken against immunity for heads of state and any attempts to tinker with Rome-Statute Article 27 (which removes such immunity). On the other side, several African states spoke for impunity immunity for sitting heads of state. But best African performer was Senegal, with made an excellent anti-impunity, anti-immunity, pro-ICC statement. It has been pointed out to the assembly that Article 143(4) of the Kenyan constitution removes immunity for the president in cases as those before the ICC. Githu Muigai and the AU have conveniently glossed over that one. Representatives of the civil society speaking today gave GoK one heck of a beating. Quote for today: "We have to be mindful that it is a criminal court. By definition the criminal court is not able to have only friends." (Tina Intelmann, ASP President, Yesterday) otishotish, 1. This Rome statute was always a defect, but that is for later. I personally do not think the dutch representative is serious. The Netherlands is a Kingdom, and has a head of state, King or Queen, who can not be hauled before a court. How about on international crimes? ---The Netherlands has a history in Indonesia, according to the Indonesians, a history of barbarism and crimes of humanity as the dutch desperately sought to maintain Indonesia as their colony by military terror --up to the late fifties I think! Trust the Indonesians to have tried international avenues to have the Queens of Holland answer in some way! Trust the dutch not to even have bothered, officially, to even define Indonesians as humans capable of experiencing crimes against their selves! As late as last year, the president of Indonesia was refusing to visit the Netherlands over the issue! But this does not mean the dutch representative talking above is wrong. In fact he/she states the obvious! though not the practice inreality. 2. I am left wondering why Jubilee do not move a motion to amend the [relevant section of the] Kenyan constitution that expressly bars immunity for the head of state, or anybody in whatever office for that matter! This would surely align our domestic practice with the international change we want. 3. Githu Muigai? you will rarely catch him talking sense, this AG of yours. I have just read KENYA WANTS TOTAL IMMUNITY FOR THE HEAD OF STATE. This has been stated so well by Aden Duale as Bi Amina Mohammed. I paused and gaped. You see I always have a soft spot for William Ruto. In the above statement, William Ruto's fate appears nowhere! He is on his own, sink or swim, nobody in government cares in Nairobi, unless his hirelings of course. Well, it is no longer Uhuruto, it is Uhuru and Ruto! --The realities of power, force the separation. Total immunity for one is government policy, the other? who can say now?
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Post by OtishOtish on Nov 22, 2013 17:54:29 GMT 3
Article 121(1)&(2) of the statute says that any proposal to amend the statute must first go through the Secretary-General of the UN (who passes it around) and that the States Parties cannot formally take up the proposal until at least 3 months have after they receive it from the Secretary General. (So, right off the bat, Kenya has missed the boat.) Sigh. After all that kelele, Amina Mohamed now says that Kenya is notifying the UN Secretary-General of its proposals to amend the Rome Statute. Those include Article 27 (on immunity) and Article 63 (on presence in court). "Great" statement for today: " We do not want video link. We want total immunity.” (Aden Duale, Leader of Majority in Kenyan Parliament)
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 22, 2013 17:59:28 GMT 3
"The Nigerian President, Goodluck Jonathan, takes the cake with his demand that African leaders enjoy immunity from prosecution as long as they are in office."Nigeria probably speaks with forked tongues. Many no doubt remember Bashir being in Nigeria and having to leave in a hurry. When the ICC asked Nigeria about the situation, here is what it had to say: * They had never invited Bashir. He just showed up out of the blue. * The relevant authorities were planning to act in accord with their "international obligations" but Bashir suddenly took off before they could do that. * If the court had any doubts about how they would act, all they need do is look at how they knifed Taylor. The letter from Nigeria's Attorney General & Minister of Justice: www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/doc/doc1632875.pdf I think I know what you mean. Was it not Obasanjo the honourable, who guaranteed Charles Taylor a life of comfortable retirement in Nigeria? Then how does the story go? someone called Obasanjo and asked if he had room in his fat bank-accounts for some additional tax free bonus of several million dollars? well, if Charles Taylor could kind of escape and well, you know .... Ah yes, Nigerians! last time they detained our plane and all the immigration joy-riders until we compensated their drug baron who is our in-law in Nyanza - -Akinyi's husband Chineudu! Trust them to detain Uhuru Kenyatta's plane in Abuja if the price is right! Why do you think Bashir fled? there were rumours his plane was about to get a puncture!
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Post by OtishOtish on Nov 22, 2013 18:15:03 GMT 3
2. I am left wondering why Jubilee do not move a motion to amend the [relevant section of the] Kenyan constitution that expressly bars immunity for the head of state, or anybody in whatever office for that matter! This would surely align our domestic practice with the international change we want. With polls showing that 67% of Kenyans want His Excellency to go explain himself, might that not be a bit tricky? The issue of the Kenyan constitution was brought up several times at yesterday's special session. Githu Muigai, Amina Mohamed, and Co. carefully slid around it. It came up again today, even more times and with greater clarity, in particular statements to the effect that the AU must interfere with the Kenyan constitution. More slippery action. When a man is drowning, it is unlikely that the foremost thought on his mind will be the fate of another drowning man.
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Post by podp on Nov 23, 2013 2:32:34 GMT 3
Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto lied to us when they said that their leadership had nothing to do with the ICC. But as a country, we are getting more and more involved now in the ICC issue. You notice that it has started changing our foreign policy by deserting our traditional allies because they have disagreed with us over the court case. The country is paying to defend the case. Uhuru and Ruto have hired very expensive lawyers. Do you think they are paying from their pockets? Most Kenyans are tongue-tied about what is going on. Even the media seems complicit. Are you supporting what is going on? www.nation.co.ke/lifestyle/weekend/Ngugi-is-a-tribalist-Taban-a-con-and-Mazrui-overrated/-/1220/2084944/-/kt2betz/-/index.html
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Post by kamalet on Nov 23, 2013 9:59:27 GMT 3
Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto lied to us when they said that their leadership had nothing to do with the ICC. But as a country, we are getting more and more involved now in the ICC issue. You notice that it has started changing our foreign policy by deserting our traditional allies because they have disagreed with us over the court case. The country is paying to defend the case. Uhuru and Ruto have hired very expensive lawyers. Do you think they are paying from their pockets? Most Kenyans are tongue-tied about what is going on. Even the media seems complicit. Are you supporting what is going on? www.nation.co.ke/lifestyle/weekend/Ngugi-is-a-tribalist-Taban-a-con-and-Mazrui-overrated/-/1220/2084944/-/kt2betz/-/index.html....when you go to the loo for the big dump. does it ever bother you that you also end up peeing? Tafakari hayo!
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Post by kamalet on Nov 23, 2013 10:03:55 GMT 3
2. I am left wondering why Jubilee do not move a motion to amend the [relevant section of the] Kenyan constitution that expressly bars immunity for the head of state, or anybody in whatever office for that matter! This would surely align our domestic practice with the international change we want. With polls showing that 67% of Kenyans want His Excellency to go explain himself, might that not be a bit tricky? The issue of the Kenyan constitution was brought up several times at yesterday's special session. Githu Muigai, Amina Mohamed, and Co. carefully slid around it. It came up again today, even more times and with greater clarity, in particular statements to the effect that the AU must interfere with the Kenyan constitution. More slippery action. When a man is drowning, it is unlikely that the foremost thought on his mind will be the fate of another drowning man. Otishotish Are you sure you have quoted the 67% reason correctly? Did you notice the qualifier in the question leading to that answer? If the question had been framed differently would the answer have been the same?
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Post by podp on Nov 23, 2013 20:57:13 GMT 3
Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto lied to us when they said that their leadership had nothing to do with the ICC. But as a country, we are getting more and more involved now in the ICC issue. You notice that it has started changing our foreign policy by deserting our traditional allies because they have disagreed with us over the court case. The country is paying to defend the case. Uhuru and Ruto have hired very expensive lawyers. Do you think they are paying from their pockets? Most Kenyans are tongue-tied about what is going on. Even the media seems complicit. Are you supporting what is going on?www.nation.co.ke/lifestyle/weekend/Ngugi-is-a-tribalist-Taban-a-con-and-Mazrui-overrated/-/1220/2084944/-/kt2betz/-/index.html....when you go to the loo for the big dump. does it ever bother you that you also end up peeing? Tafakari hayo! the red high light would make better discussion and more meaningful outcome rather than the obvious toiletry talk, I presume. so let me not indulge you with describing and dwelling on the mundane that does not differentiate between anyone human. dogs, cattle and other mammals also experience what you wish to concentrate on, incidentally.
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Post by OtishOtish on Nov 23, 2013 21:58:50 GMT 3
This afternoon the Working Group on Amendments had the first of its two formal meetings. (The next one will be on Monday.) As expected, neither meeting of the group will consider Kenya’s various silly proposals to amend the Rome Statute; what they will consider are the proposals that have been made to change the Rules of Procedure and Evidence. The proposed changes deal with presence and the use of video. Today’s meeting was a closed one, but from comments made after the meeting: • There appears to be a fair amount of opposition to the broad use of video; there is, however, much more support for some very limited use of video. • There appears to be a general view that absence should be defined in terms of functions and not official capacity. What next? The discussion will continue at the next meeting, on Monday. It is possible that some limited use of video could be agreed on at this session of the ASP; I estimate the probability of that to be less that 5% and dwindling. More likely, however, is that the ASP will want further consultations with the court. In this regard, one should note the comments made, at the start of session, by Judge Song (President of the ICC). He basically warned against hasty amendments: “This Assembly will also consider further potential amendments to the Rules of Procedure. The normal time for discussion of these has unavoidably been compressed, and the scope for thorough consultation of stakeholders has been correspondingly limited. It will be particularly important, therefore, for States Parties to reflect carefully on the proposals before them and to ensure that any amendments adopted are consistent with the wider legal framework of the Statute, without prejudice of course to the possibility of any future amendments to the Statute itself. Any advice from the Court on the matter will necessarily be of a purely legal nature, as appropriate for a judicial institution.”www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/asp_docs/ASP12/ASP12-OP-Statement-ICCPRE-ENG.pdfHe made particular reference to process used for proposals to amend Rules 68 and 100, which will no doubt be adopted at this session. The process was lengthy and involved numerous consultations with various parties.
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Post by OtishOtish on Nov 24, 2013 3:18:29 GMT 3
For once, the Daily Nation has tried to do a reasonably good job at reporting: www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Week-of-setbacks-for-Kenya-at-The-Hague-/-/1064/2086148/-/qr4bf4z/-/index.htmlThis result could be seen coming. From a mile away. Here is what I wrote earlier on this thread: "Notwithstanding the standard noise-making at AU meetings and the signing of random documents, quite a few African countries will not sacrifice their interests to those of two criminals in some place they have no real interest in. That should become clear during the ASP session, if it's not already clear."Here is what the Daily Nation is now reporting: "However, the speeches made by representatives of African countries were mostly tame, and very few of them remained supportive of the head of state immunity position that they had taken last month."I liked the way the civil society (on Thursday) cornered Githu Muigai on this one, as he made the statement that national jurisdictions give immunity to heads of states!: "Kenyan and international NGOs provided independent perspectives, for example, urging the position that the Kenyan Constitution does not allow for head of state immunity and that in promoting this resolution, the AU was encouraging Kenya to contravene its own constitution."with this funny and probably unexpected result for GoK: "After the meeting, many African delegates indicated that they had never heard about the state of Kenyan law on head of state immunity and that they might have taken a different stand on the matter if these facts were known."
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Post by podp on Nov 24, 2013 3:48:47 GMT 3
For once, the Daily Nation has tried to do a reasonably good job at reporting: www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Week-of-setbacks-for-Kenya-at-The-Hague-/-/1064/2086148/-/qr4bf4z/-/index.htmlThis result could be seen coming. From a mile away. Here is what I wrote earlier on this thread: "Notwithstanding the standard noise-making at AU meetings and the signing of random documents, quite a few African countries will not sacrifice their interests to those of two criminals in some place they have no real interest in. That should become clear during the ASP session, if it's not already clear."Here is what the Daily Nation is now reporting: "However, the speeches made by representatives of African countries were mostly tame, and very few of them remained supportive of the head of state immunity position that they had taken last month."I liked the way the civil society (on Thursday) cornered Githu Muigai on this one, as he made the statement that national jurisdictions give immunity to heads of states!: "Kenyan and international NGOs provided independent perspectives, for example, urging the position that the Kenyan Constitution does not allow for head of state immunity and that in promoting this resolution, the AU was encouraging Kenya to contravene its own constitution."with this funny and probably unexpected result for GoK: "After the meeting, many African delegates indicated that they had never heard about the state of Kenyan law on head of state immunity and that they might have taken a different stand on the matter if these facts were known."the red high light President Museveni had never read the Rome Statute. He did not know whether the things he wanted to suggest were in the statute or not. Maybe it is unreasonable to expect the Head of State to read every piece of international covenant that his country ratifies. That is why Heads of State have experts in various areas. It is expected that such persons will adequately educate themselves on the essentials of international covenants before advising that they should be ratified. But do these people really read these things? Just how rigorous is the legislative process in Africa? How well is the African Head of State advised by his notables and allied experts? www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000098427&story_title=Kenya-african-leaders-horrified-when-laws-they-passed-return-to-haunt-themHow much rigour did our National Assembly inject into ratifying the Rome Statute? Did Kenya’s MPs in 2005 recognise that they were accepting the possibility that Kenya’s President could be handed over to the ICC for trial, even as he enjoyed immunity against commencement or continuation of trial at home? But if someone slept on the job in 2005, what should we say of the year 2010, when we promulgated the new Constitution? Article 143 (1 and 2) gives the President Immunity against Prosecution in both civil and criminal matters. Section (3) of Article 143, however, anticipates the possibility of the President being tried after his term of office ends. This section freezes time lapse in any matter in which the President enjoys immunity by virtue of office. This means that fluxion of time will start counting the day the President leaves office. The telling section is, however, Section (4) of Article 143. It states, “The immunity of the President under this Article shall not extend to a crime to which the President may be prosecuted under any treaty to which Kenya is party and which prohibits such immunity.”
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Post by OtishOtish on Nov 24, 2013 6:01:34 GMT 3
Podp:
Just a small correction to that article: there is nothing 143(4) that suggests it comes into effect when the president leaves office; all of 143 should be understood as referring to the president while in office.
Anyway ... I have been staggered by the incompetence and lazy, slap-dash thinking that the highest officials in GoK put into this ASP thing. They seem to have taken it for an AU Summit, where people talk crap and then pass resolutions thought of at the last minute. It also must be embarrassing for Kenyans to have their senior government officials publicly caught in one lie after another. Kienyeji style should never be exported to serious international platforms.
Now for something funny ... Listen to Githu Muigai from about 0:42.
Muigai says that Kenyans requests for amendments will go through because things at the ASP "are based on consensus". It does not occur to him---nor to the lazy reporter, who then does not follow up---that an attempt to reach consensus can fail. In fact relevant regulations state that if consensus cannot be reached, then at amendment is to be adopted if there is at least 2/3 majority vote. On this last point Muigai has his own peculiar way of looking at things: he states that the ASP is not a place where people vote.
Muigai then proceeds to state what seems like a plain lie. He states that GoK and others have been working together for months on proposed amendment to the rules. The reality is that the first anyone that matters (e.g. the relevant working group) really heard of them was around the start of this month. More significantly, there is now a very, very strong probability that action on that amendment will be put off to a later date---precisely because of the last-minute approach that has left little time for a thorough review.
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Post by OtishOtish on Nov 24, 2013 22:01:06 GMT 3
UPDATE ON THE VIDEO PROPOSAL:
Things are looking much better than they were yesterday; so I will change my "probability of success" from 5% back to 10%.
In order to make some progress before tomorrow's formal meeting, the Working Group on Amendments held an informal meeting this afternoon (Sunday). The Netherlands representative reports that significant progress has been made towards a draft. The chair of the group will consult some states and the ICC tonight and then try to produce a draft before tomorrow's meeting.
What next? It is now almost certain that a draft will be put to the assembly early this week. What the states make of it remains to be seen, but it appears that there are enough states willing to support an arrangement that would make the headache go away although a non-trivial number remain concerned about the haste. The court's response is less certain, given its earlier expressions of unhappiness over hasty changes.
What can we expect of the proposal? Interesting question. I suspect that it will be closer to the UK one than to the ones by Kenya & Friends. If it is adopted, the half-loaf should be enough for Kenya to claim some sort of victory, and everyone can go home happy.
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Post by podp on Nov 25, 2013 8:03:12 GMT 3
He added that Kenya is fully prepared to launch the ICD by January 2014. “We have visited Uganda, Rwanda, Cambodia, Hague and we will go to Bosnia in January to study previous experiences from their local divisions that we can apply in Kenya.” “Setting up an ICD will not interfere with the current Kenyan cases at the ICC and Mr Muigai has stated that this should be well understood,” said Dr Kobia. www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Respect-Kenya-Githu-Muigai-tells-ICC/-/1064/2086024/-/95jc3xz/-/index.htmlthis should be good music to the victims of lesser crimes that ICC will not handle
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Post by OtishOtish on Nov 25, 2013 18:28:21 GMT 3
He added that Kenya is fully prepared to launch the ICD by January 2014. “We have visited Uganda, Rwanda, Cambodia, Hague and we will go to Bosnia in January to study previous experiences from their local divisions that we can apply in Kenya.” “Setting up an ICD will not interfere with the current Kenyan cases at the ICC and Mr Muigai has stated that this should be well understood,” said Dr Kobia. www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Respect-Kenya-Githu-Muigai-tells-ICC/-/1064/2086024/-/95jc3xz/-/index.htmlthis should be good music to the victims of lesser crimes that ICC will not handle Why should it be good music? According to the article: "He added that the complaints portray Kenya as a failed state even amidst efforts to set up an International Criminal Division (ICD) to handle future crime cases."Muigai needs to tell us more on what is being done about crimes that have already been committed and less about future crimes. In any case, there is no reason why the "lesser" crimes should be prosecuted as international crimes. Kenya already has laws that should suffice for rape, murder, looting, destruction of property, etc. What has been lacking is the political will.
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Post by kamalet on Nov 25, 2013 19:34:35 GMT 3
For once, the Daily Nation has tried to do a reasonably good job at reporting: www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Week-of-setbacks-for-Kenya-at-The-Hague-/-/1064/2086148/-/qr4bf4z/-/index.htmlThis result could be seen coming. From a mile away. Here is what I wrote earlier on this thread: "Notwithstanding the standard noise-making at AU meetings and the signing of random documents, quite a few African countries will not sacrifice their interests to those of two criminals in some place they have no real interest in. That should become clear during the ASP session, if it's not already clear."Here is what the Daily Nation is now reporting: "However, the speeches made by representatives of African countries were mostly tame, and very few of them remained supportive of the head of state immunity position that they had taken last month."I liked the way the civil society (on Thursday) cornered Githu Muigai on this one, as he made the statement that national jurisdictions give immunity to heads of states!: "Kenyan and international NGOs provided independent perspectives, for example, urging the position that the Kenyan Constitution does not allow for head of state immunity and that in promoting this resolution, the AU was encouraging Kenya to contravene its own constitution."with this funny and probably unexpected result for GoK: "After the meeting, many African delegates indicated that they had never heard about the state of Kenyan law on head of state immunity and that they might have taken a different stand on the matter if these facts were known."Njakip Quick one on this 'immunity is impunity' debate. I was reading this article by Ngunjiri Wambugu in the Star and whilst many of his arguments are debatable, he did raise what I think is an important issue regarding the guys that burnt, killed and maimed in Naivasha and who Bensouda has requested immunity against prosecution for the mungiki 'witnesses'? I would like to hear your perspective on this.
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Post by OtishOtish on Nov 25, 2013 20:54:21 GMT 3
Kamale:
I read several articles by Ngunjiri Wambugu and concluded that there must be better ways to spend time, for both writer and reader. So I can't be bothered to look at another of his articles. Do you have a specific question that does not require doing so?
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Post by OtishOtish on Nov 25, 2013 21:01:03 GMT 3
UPDATE ON THE VIDEO AMENDMENT
The Working Group on Amendments had its second and last formal meeting today. Contrary to yesterday's optimism, very little progress was made. So, another day of waiting ... There will now be an informal meeting tomorrow. Given that this year's ASP session ends on Thursday, things don't look too hot for the proposal; a draft needs to be given to the assembly real soon.
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 25, 2013 21:44:39 GMT 3
UPDATE ON THE VIDEO AMENDMENTThe Working Group on Amendments had its second and last formal meeting today. Contrary to yesterday's optimism, very little progress was made. So, another day of waiting ... There will now be an informal meeting tomorrow. Given that this year's ASP session ends on Thursday, things don't look too hot for the proposal; a draft needs to be given to the assembly real soon. If this working group concludes VIDEO links for busy heads of states is desirable, is the ICC court bound by that decision? Because with cases on=going before it the subject of such discussions barely a stones throw away from its seat, the president of this court will increasingly look like a puppet. My common sense response would be simple. These are rushed discussions, the Roman statutes have been here for a long time. Take a year to think these amendments through, and save them for FUTURE indictments. For this one of Kenya, Uhuruto, the train has left the station. If these Judges are to bow to these rushed expediencies and political fixes, their credibility will die, and I doubt even they themselves would take the ICC seriously [except for the salaries part!] That Nigerian-Canadian boy is increasingly becoming clever by half! He will soon be a tail trying to wag a dog. What will he do when he is ordered by external forces to defer the Uhuru case?
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Post by kamalet on Nov 25, 2013 22:06:45 GMT 3
Kamale: I read several articles by Ngunjiri Wambugu and concluded that there must be better ways to spend time, for both writer and reader. So I can't be bothered to look at another of his articles. Do you have a specific question that does not require doing so? .....he did raise what I think is an important issue regarding the guys that burnt, killed and maimed in Naivasha and who Bensouda has requested immunity against prosecution for the mungiki 'witnesses'?
As you often counsel me to read slowly......have you Seen it?
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